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Offline DRoberts

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CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« on: October 14, 2020, 01:21:59 PM »

Kind of a rant.... (maybe this belongs in CWOP?)

I am tired of being flagged for data quality on CWOP and now on MESOWEST. I am told my sensors seem to be providing good data from my VP2. I have double checked temperature with another instrument and they both agree.

I do not know what to do.

This location has always been "cold" and I attribute it to the microclimate. A meteorologist at Hastings NWS confirmed as much and told me not to be concerned over the differences in minimum temperatures. Yet I keep being told by CWOP and now MESOWEST that my data is suspect.

I just don't like the idea that my data is going out/made public with "caution" labels, red X's and thumbs down. It is the way I am wired. ;)

So, if any of you learned people have a suggestion that isn't too technical, drop me a line.

I feel a bit better ranting, but not a whole bunch.

Thanks in advance

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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2020, 02:27:12 PM »
This probably does belong over in the CWOP area.

One thing that I noticed is that most of the comparison stations are really far away. Your closest one is 5.5 miles, which isn't too bad, but all the rest fall between 20.3 and 52 miles.

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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2020, 03:46:05 PM »
This probably does belong over in the CWOP area.

One thing that I noticed is that most of the comparison stations are really far away. Your closest one is 5.5 miles, which isn't too bad, but all the rest fall between 20.3 and 52 miles.

Greg H.

Yes. Few and far between. galfert has  mentioned this also. He was also kind enough to point out how one of my "nearby (55miles away)" reporting station seems to be having temp/humidity sensor problems and this will influence my cwop and meso reports.

So, nothing I can do about it? Doomed to be flagged forever and wander the oceans like the Ancient Mariner of the weather world?   :-)

How do I move the whole topic to CWOP??

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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2020, 04:10:19 PM »
Ya can't move the thread. It has to be done by a mod. Done.

One other thing you can do is try to influence friends, family, local businesses, schools (make a donation) to have a weather station of their own. Then help them get their data on CWOP. You are severely lacking in nearby neighbors. But more neighbors is a double edge sword so be careful what you wish for. They still need to put out good data just the same. Keep on top of the station we discussed. Until they are fixed, your data will be flagged.
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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2020, 04:46:48 PM »
Again, thanks for your time, galfert.

Yes, neighbors can be a double edge sword. It is why we moved to where we don't have any closer than 1/2. mile. Got tired of people when I was public school administrator. They likely got tired of me also.

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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2020, 05:03:39 PM »
If I remember correctly, you get those huge diurnal temp swings of ~50F. That's even super rare for me, even with RH's below 5%. Apparently your neighboring stations don't have your "issue". Not much you can do about, other than know your data is indeed correct, but yes, your temp QC is blowing by the check mark at night.

Curious, why are your update times all over the place?

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=F4369

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/regress_database_top.cgi?stn=F4369

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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2020, 06:03:29 PM »
If I remember correctly, you get those huge diurnal temp swings of ~50F. That's even super rare for me, even with RH's below 5%. Apparently your neighboring stations don't have your "issue". Not much you can do about, other than know your data is indeed correct, but yes, your temp QC is blowing by the check mark at night.

Curious, why are your update times all over the place?

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=F4369

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/regress_database_top.cgi?stn=F4369

Not sure I understand what you mean by "update times" and are these something I am doing incorrectly?

50 degree diurnal swings are not rare, especially in the fall here, but they are not usual either. Commonly 30-40 degree swings.

Thanks for your reply.

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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2020, 06:16:10 PM »
If I remember correctly, you get those huge diurnal temp swings of ~50F. That's even super rare for me, even with RH's below 5%. Apparently your neighboring stations don't have your "issue". Not much you can do about, other than know your data is indeed correct, but yes, your temp QC is blowing by the check mark at night.

Curious, why are your update times all over the place?

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=F4369

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/regress_database_top.cgi?stn=F4369
Not sure I understand what you mean by "update times" and are these something I am doing incorrectly?
I don't think "incorrect" is the word, whether it's you or someone else, but all my obs are five minutes apart, always ending with a 3 or 8 as the last digit of the time. Yours are 5,10, 15, and even a 6 minutes apart one I see. Like I said, I don't think it's wrong, just odd.

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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2020, 06:18:46 PM »
If I remember correctly, you get those huge diurnal temp swings of ~50F. That's even super rare for me, even with RH's below 5%. Apparently your neighboring stations don't have your "issue". Not much you can do about, other than know your data is indeed correct, but yes, your temp QC is blowing by the check mark at night.

Curious, why are your update times all over the place?

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=F4369

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/regress_database_top.cgi?stn=F4369
50 degree diurnal swings are not rare
Amazing. Do you live in a geographical bowl or low area or...?

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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2020, 07:47:30 PM »
If I remember correctly, you get those huge diurnal temp swings of ~50F. That's even super rare for me, even with RH's below 5%. Apparently your neighboring stations don't have your "issue". Not much you can do about, other than know your data is indeed correct, but yes, your temp QC is blowing by the check mark at night.

Curious, why are your update times all over the place?

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=F4369

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/regress_database_top.cgi?stn=F4369
Not sure I understand what you mean by "update times" and are these something I am doing incorrectly?
I don't think "incorrect" is the word, whether it's you or someone else, but all my obs are five minutes apart, always ending with a 3 or 8 as the last digit of the time. Yours are 5,10, 15, and even a 6 minutes apart one I see. Like I said, I don't think it's wrong, just odd.

You are referring to the times that appear on my MESOWEST page? I have noticed that. Not sure what it means either. Maybe some one else on here would know?

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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2020, 07:58:48 PM »
If I remember correctly, you get those huge diurnal temp swings of ~50F. That's even super rare for me, even with RH's below 5%. Apparently your neighboring stations don't have your "issue". Not much you can do about, other than know your data is indeed correct, but yes, your temp QC is blowing by the check mark at night.

Curious, why are your update times all over the place?

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=F4369

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/regress_database_top.cgi?stn=F4369
50 degree diurnal swings are not rare
Amazing. Do you live in a geographical bowl or low area or...?

Might be better to describe my location as sort of very shallow bowl (with us being about 30-40 meters lower than surrounding land, in an area about 1.5 miles diameter, roughly). We are in a low spot comparatively.  A 40 foot drop very near us to a seasonal creek.

Land is mostly pasture/grassland. No paved roads within a mile.

What do you think?

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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2020, 08:18:19 PM »
If I remember correctly, you get those huge diurnal temp swings of ~50F. That's even super rare for me, even with RH's below 5%. Apparently your neighboring stations don't have your "issue". Not much you can do about, other than know your data is indeed correct, but yes, your temp QC is blowing by the check mark at night.

Curious, why are your update times all over the place?

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=F4369

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/regress_database_top.cgi?stn=F4369
Not sure I understand what you mean by "update times" and are these something I am doing incorrectly?
I don't think "incorrect" is the word, whether it's you or someone else, but all my obs are five minutes apart, always ending with a 3 or 8 as the last digit of the time. Yours are 5,10, 15, and even a 6 minutes apart one I see. Like I said, I don't think it's wrong, just odd.
You are referring to the times that appear on my MESOWEST page?
Yes. Both my Meso and NWS obs are the same, every five minutes. Software glitch maybe?

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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2020, 08:29:58 PM »
If I remember correctly, you get those huge diurnal temp swings of ~50F. That's even super rare for me, even with RH's below 5%. Apparently your neighboring stations don't have your "issue". Not much you can do about, other than know your data is indeed correct, but yes, your temp QC is blowing by the check mark at night.

Curious, why are your update times all over the place?

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=F4369

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/regress_database_top.cgi?stn=F4369
50 degree diurnal swings are not rare
Amazing. Do you live in a geographical bowl or low area or...?

Might be better to describe my location as sort of very shallow bowl (with us being about 30-40 meters lower than surrounding land, in an area about 1.5 miles diameter, roughly). We are in a low spot comparatively.  A 40 foot drop very near us to a seasonal creek.

What do you think?
Cooler than surrounding air will develop in lower than surrounding terrain, mostly in light or calm wind conditions just for the simple fact that cool air is more dense than warm air without atmospheric mixing. That's about the only thing off hand to me that could explain your humongous diurnal spread compared to your neighbors.

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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2020, 09:07:54 PM »
If I remember correctly, you get those huge diurnal temp swings of ~50F. That's even super rare for me, even with RH's below 5%. Apparently your neighboring stations don't have your "issue". Not much you can do about, other than know your data is indeed correct, but yes, your temp QC is blowing by the check mark at night.

Curious, why are your update times all over the place?

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=F4369

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/regress_database_top.cgi?stn=F4369
Not sure I understand what you mean by "update times" and are these something I am doing incorrectly?
I don't think "incorrect" is the word, whether it's you or someone else, but all my obs are five minutes apart, always ending with a 3 or 8 as the last digit of the time. Yours are 5,10, 15, and even a 6 minutes apart one I see. Like I said, I don't think it's wrong, just odd.
You are referring to the times that appear on my MESOWEST page?
Yes. Both my Meso and NWS obs are the same, every five minutes. Software glitch maybe?

I export data using the Real Time firmware.  [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]  
Shows 5 minute interval. Wonder what is going on.

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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2020, 09:25:15 PM »
I export data using the Real Time firmware.  [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]  
Shows 5 minute interval. Wonder what is going on.

I've seen this issue with other WiFiLogger users. Something is up with the WiFi logger and selecting 5 minute interval. This issue used to be worse. I would definitely check if you have the latest firmware update as this could be an issue that was resolved with newer firmware. If you are on the latest version then I suggest temporarily changing upload to 6 minutes interval and contacting Wojciech.
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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2020, 09:45:45 AM »

Using Wifi Logger version 2.13 and I think this is latest.

How do I contact Wojciech ? Can't find him as a member on here and don't see a tech support on the Logger website.

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Re: CWOP and MESOWEST DATA
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2020, 10:03:06 AM »
He is forum user WiFiLogger and you can contact him (Wojtek) at support@wifilogger.net or post in the Weather Station Hardware Wifilogger/Meteo-Pi section

Latest firmware for WiFiLogger2 is v2.32


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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2020, 10:06:01 AM »
He is forum user WiFiLogger and you can contact him (Wojtek) at support@wifilogger.net or post in the Weather Station Hardware Wifilogger/Meteo-Pi section

Latest firmware for WiFiLogger2 is v2.32


Enjoy,
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Thank you for the quick reply. I need to update my firmware.

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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2020, 10:56:26 AM »
CWOP upload issue with WiFiLogger was brought up in this thread not long ago:
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40378.0

This issue was fixed in firmware 2.34.
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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2020, 11:07:41 AM »
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I assume my firmware version is out of date based on this which I found in Setup of Real Time Data

If so, I will update sometime today and see if that cures the time problem.

Somehow I fell behind the times with my updates. Let it be a lesson to me

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