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The actual ocean tides explained
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2019, 12:15:05 PM »
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Re: The actual ocean tides explained
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2019, 03:01:01 AM »
Why is there a high content of hydrogen sulfide in the east of the Mediterranean Sea and there are no tides?
According to the “lunar theory of tides,” a tidal wave enters the Mediterranean Sea through the Strait of Gibraltar every 12 hours, and the tidal wave barely reaches the east of the Mediterranean Sea.
And according to the circulation theory of the tides, the flow that flows into the Mediterranean Sea through the Strait of Gibraltar, in the west of the Mediterranean Sea spins the cycles much faster than in the east of the Mediterranean Sea. https://youtu.be/wlvkrRdYNZ0
According to the “lunar theory of tides,” a tidal wave in the Atlantic Ocean moves from east to west after the moon, and crashes into the eastern coast of South and North America.
Then, reflected, it moves back east and flows into the throat of the Mediterranean, Baltic, White and other seas.
The pattern of tidal wave movement from the North Atlantic Ocean to Chukotka. https://www.esr.org/research/polar-tide-models/movies/
The height of the tides in the west of the Mediterranean Sea reaches 1.2 meters, in the east of 15 cm.
The average depth of the Mediterranean Sea is 1500 meters, in the east 1700 meters. The maximum depth is 5000 meters.

The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres.
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Re: The actual ocean tides explained
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2019, 02:23:15 AM »
There is no "water theory of the tides".  The old theory of the tides (Newton) was displaced by the Dynamic theory of the tides.   But please never stop promoting your new theory. 
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2019, 01:48:54 AM »
In the Indian Ocean, a tidal wave with a height of 0.5 meters, obeying the dynamic theory of tides, moves from east to west at a speed of 800 - 1600 km / h. Crashing into the eastern coast of the island of Madagascar creates tides 1.5 meters high, and abnormally high tides up to 7 meters high, for some reason are formed in the west of the island of Madagascar.
And it should be the other way around.
Wikipedia explains this discrepancy by the reflection of waves and the fact that the Coriolis force does its job.
And the real reason for this inconsistency is the giant cycle that revolves around the island of Madagascar at a speed of up to 9 km / h, precessing, reflecting a tidal wave towards the west coast of the island of Madagascar.
https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR3fDQD_uF0xgVpETpxVzbrv2xxgzOR0UfAKIEFDHAKoC2jzE-Mpu1lIWMs#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=44.73,-20.54,1976/loc=-66.405,44.310
Map of the height of the tides. https://images.app.goo.gl/hmc3gKegiLjYmeoT9
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Re: The actual ocean tides explained
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2019, 03:34:27 AM »
The modern table of tides is made by trial and error and customized to the lunar theory of tides.
According to the lunar theory of tides, maximum tides are formed in the phase of the new moon and full moon.
And according to the circulation theory of tides, the maximum tides are formed in the new moon phase and the minimum in the full moon phase.
Creating a tidal table by trial and error is quite simple, because the tidal height is almost the same every year, with the exception of the bays into which the rivers flow.
Tide tables were compiled long before the discovery of the theory of tides (trial and error).
The same tables are used today, they are annually adjusted based on long-term data.
Based on the "lunar theory of tides", tides can be predicted for many years to come.
And based on the tidal theory of tides, it is not possible to predict the height of tides, because it is not known at what speed tomorrow the cycles will rotate.
 Galileo called the lunar theory of the tides frivolous, a sad return to the realm of mystical nonsense, and preferred to explain the tides by the rotation of our planet.
D.G. Darwin wrote in 1911: “There is no need to search for ancient literature for the sake of the grotesque theories of tides.” However, sailors manage to measure their height and use the possibilities of the tides, not having an idea of ​​the real causes of their occurrence.
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Re: The actual ocean tides explained
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2019, 08:35:27 PM »
Wikipedia explains the tide physics in many languages of the world, and different formulas are written in each language, and in some languages there are no formulas at all.
And there are no real, digital calculations of the tidal heights of a particular bay or coast.
By the degree of discrepancy of a particular theory, one can judge the degree of inaccuracy of the theory.
In Wikipedia and the encyclopedia, gravitational and centrifugal forces are equally explained in all languages.
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Re: The actual ocean tides explained
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2019, 02:14:11 PM »
whats the story with the links with all the % in it
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Re: The actual ocean tides explained
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2019, 09:27:55 AM »
whats the story with the links with all the % in it
and do really need all these obvious copy and paste posts by Fermer05 admins?

It is just what happens when you paste a URL link that has special characters. The original URL did not have these % symbols. The original URL had Russian letters. These letters can not be displayed in the text editor of the forum so when you paste the link it converts the Russian characters into URL encoding or also called Percent encoding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percent-encoding

Basically it is limitation of not being able to display the original character set and how it then gets handled.

The trouble is that some of those percent encoded URLs have spaces introduced which I don't know why...so you can't really click on them because they are incomplete. I suppose you could highlight and copy, then paste into browser address bar and then delete extra spaces before activating the link.

It is common to sometimes see percent encoding with a URL even if the character set is not different. This often occurs when the URL is part of a server path that include real spaces. Since a URL can't have spaces then the space is converted into its percent encoding equivalent and that is why you often see %20. A space is ascii character number 32 decimal which corresponds to 20 in hexadecimal, which explains why a space is %20.

Therefore the way it works is that in a URL when a % symbol is seen by the browser it then knows that what follows is a hexadecimal number corresponding to the character for the next place in the URL.
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Re: The actual ocean tides explained
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2019, 02:06:48 PM »
There is no "water theory of the tides".  The old theory of the tides (Newton) was displaced by the Dynamic theory of the tides.   But please never stop promoting your new theory.
How to understand the fact that the amplitude of the tides in the Bay of Fundy yesterday was 6 meters, and today is 18 meters?
What changes have occurred during the day, for such a sharp jump?
We have two answers:
1. During the day, the force of gravity increased three times.
2. During the day, the rotation speed of the cycle increased three times.
A record high tide in the Bay of Fundy - 21.6 meters - occurred only once in the entire history of observations, on the night of October 4-5, in 1869.
On the night of October 4-5, 1869, under the influence of the Saxby Gale cyclone, a record amount of precipitation fell over the river basins flowing into the Bay of Fundy (300 mm per day), due to which the waters from the Bay of Fundy poured into the Bay of Maine and increased the speed of rotation the Gulf of Manx tripled.
During the flood of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the flow rate in the north of the Gulf of Maine rises more than 15 km / h, as a result, the height of the tides reaches 18 meters.
During a drought over the river basins flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides does not exceed three meters.
And the main question is why during the season of abnormally high tides in the Bay of Fundy, in other bays of the Northern Hemisphere, the amplitude of tides does not increase?
A similar pattern of abnormally high tides (floods) is observed in all bays into which rivers flow.
Real-time animation shows how the waters flowing into the Gulf of Man from the Bay of Fundy form a cycle that, precessing, reflects a tidal wave towards the Bay of Fundy.
https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR3fDQD_uF0xgVpETpxVzbrv2xxgzOR0UfAKIEFDHAKoC2jzE-Mpu1lIWMs#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=-65.27,44.29,3000/loc=-66.405,44.310
https://images.app.goo.gl/hAE4F7kyMQ1mhcAF9
Mezensky Bay White Sea tide height reaches 10 m.
https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR245zpmdxn7SmOQdJ7qF9HhRn-54AYSZIChWmA6-0A2rXyJ9y2UivmtlZA#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=42.30,69.946.34.0146.346.015
Ebbs and flows - table. http://www.prilivy.com
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Re: The actual ocean tides explained
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2019, 10:29:47 AM »
The height of the tidal wave in the open ocean according to the "dynamic theory of tides" is about 0.5 meters, and the speed is from 800 to 1600 km / h.
No, there is no tide moving faster than the speed of sound.  Friction with the ocean floor limits the speed of a wave, and since a tide is a very long wave, there is no place on the planet where a long wave moves that fast.  It's one reason the actual tides are amphidromic systems, because physics.

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Tides are shallow water waves, a shallow-water wave  speed is controlled by depth of ocean
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2019, 01:46:23 PM »
Tides, Russian and English versions.
http://gatchina3000.ru/big/083/83105_brockhaus-efron.htm
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Tide
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2019, 07:47:05 AM »
It must be a language problem
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2020, 10:04:58 AM »
According to the lunar theory of tides in temperate zones, tidal force raises the earth's crust to a height of 20 cm, at the equator - 50 cm.
Then why, in the equatorial zone, the tides are three times lower than in the temperate zones?
The maximum height of the tides in the temperate zones is:
1. The Bay of Fundy in North America - 18 m.
2. The mouth of the Severn River in England - 16 m.
3. Bay of Mont Saint-Michel in France - 15 m.
The maximum tidal height in the equatorial zone is:
1. about. Maraca Brazil - 9 m.
2. Balboa Panama - 5 m.
3. Zanzibar Tanzania - 3.5 m.
Information about the tides in some ports of the world.
https://www.krugosvet.ru/enc/Earth_sciences/geografiya/PRILIVI_I_OTLIVI.html
According to the lunar theory of tides, abnormally high tides up to 40 meters high should occur at the equator and not in temperate zones.
The tidal cycle theory explains this discrepancy by the absence of the Coriolis force at the equator, necessary for the formation of cycles, cyclones and anticyclones.
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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2020, 11:40:41 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2020, 09:51:45 AM »
Criticism of the lunar theory of the tides.

According to the Static theory of tides, the lunar tidal wave moves from east to west after the moon, at a speed of 1600 km / h, circling the Earth in 24 hours, filling only the eastern coast of the continents. But through the centuries it was discovered.
1. What does the lunar tidal wave flood both the western, southern and northern shores of the continents?
2. That the tidal wave speed of 1600 km / h is detrimental to both continents and marine fauna?
3. What at the same time, not two tidal humps are functioning all over the globe, but more than a hundred, regardless of the location of the moon?
4. That for some reason abnormally high tides are formed in half-closed bays, where there is no direct access to the tidal wave. And in the bays open to the tidal wave, are there no tides at all, or are they small? https://youtu.be/NqDEaFjIXPw

Later, a dynamic theory of tides was proposed, which was supposed to answer all the questions posed.
According to the Dynamic Tidal Theory, a lunar tidal wave travels at a speed of 1600 km / h. Crashing into continents, islands and shoals, a tidal wave slows down and breaks up into numerous secondary tidal waves.
Then, under the influence of interference and the Coriolis force, secondary tidal waves begin to rotate, due to which ebbs and flows are formed.
Amphidromic point https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/1727386
Dynamic Theory http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm
The movement pattern of the secondary tidal wave, from the North Atlantic to the White Sea. https://www.esr.org/research/polar-tide-models/movies/

But the dynamic theory of tides does not answer all the questions posed.
1. The assertion that due to interference tidal waves begin to rotate around islands and shallows is doubtful.
https://bigenc.ru/physics/text/2015011 https://youtu.be/616RtVpN5dU
2. The claim that “secondary tidal waves” move against the movement of the moon from west to east is also questionable.
Coriolis force is too weak to deploy tidal waves and tsunamis.
3. According to the dynamic theory of tides, tides are formed only around islands and shoals, and not in the seas and bays.
4. In the atmosphere, the dynamic theory of the tides should work wonders, because the atmosphere is much easier to move than water.
In places where tidal waves collide, something unimaginable must happen.
5. While the tidal wave makes one revolution around the Earth, the Moon makes two turns, how is the gravitational connection between the Moon and the tidal hump?
6. In order for the lunar tidal hump to exist, the inhomogeneity of the gravitational field is necessary, and for this, the moon must always be above the hump, otherwise the hump will fall apart?
7. In the Dynamic theory of tides, the concept of an applied hour is introduced, from 0 to 12 - the time the tidal wave lags behind the moon, due to friction against the bottom of the ocean.
9. If the applied hour is zero, this means that there is no tidal wave friction on the ocean floor, and the wave speed is 1600 km / h, and if the applied hour is 12, this means that the friction reduced the tidal wave speed to 800 km / h.
Why is there a tidal wave friction on the bottom of the ocean in one area and not in another?
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2020, 01:52:22 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2020, 11:57:09 AM »
Quote from: Fermer05 link=topic=37892.msg396819#
According to the Static theory of tides, the lunar tidal wave moves from east to west after the moon at a speed of 1600 km / h

According to the Dynamic Tidal Theory, a lunar tidal wave moves after the moon at a speed of 1600 km / h.
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The dynamic theory does not say that


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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2020, 12:00:31 PM »
Friction with the ocean floor means there can never be a supersonic tide wave following the moon

http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm


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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2020, 03:45:03 PM »
Friction with the ocean floor means there can never be a supersonic tide wave following the moon

http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm


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In the Tidal Static Theory, the friction of the tidal wave against the ocean floor was not taken into account, and the speed of the tidal wave in the oceans and on the continents was considered constant - 1600 km / h.

In the Dynamic theory of tides, there is the concept of an applied hour, from 0 to 12 - the time the tidal wave lags behind the moon, due to friction on the bottom of the ocean.
But how to calculate the applied hour is not clear.
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