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Offline galfert

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Re: Anybody Else Not Updating @ WU Page
« Reply #50 on: June 30, 2019, 06:57:01 PM »
I wish my Netgear Arlo would allow me to send pictures to WU I need to figure out how to do this, I now it would have to have a username and password to access my camera. I hope Arlo will get this so I can send my live feed to WU or something I even have the meteotemplate and he has 2 .php blocks that would work on my website but the Arlo is the problem. He told me he would need a .php script for that camera so he could convert it into a block and I could load from there on the website not WU. That is a separate issue. Regardless I am just using it for a security cam now. I wanted it for weather but oh well?

There is a solution. You just need to think about it differently and use a script to enable this. Arlo isn't going to do this for you, so you have to do it yourself.
https://community.arlo.com/t5/Arlo-Pro/How-to-get-URL-from-my-camera-from-cloud/m-p/1708808

I don't know where this phthon script is that someone wrote...but I also didn't search for it.

Many things are like this. My weather station doesn't upload to CWOP naively but that doesn't mean that it can't be done with extra stuff. The solution is to find the extra tools and solutions to add the functionalities that the manufacture didn't bake in. You can sit around and hope that change happens or you can look for ways to integrate components and create new solutions. Often someone more experienced and skilled has already figured it out and its just a matter of following the recipe.

Or just keep using your current Arlo cameras for what you originally bought them for that they were designed to do....security, and then add an IP camera to become your weather camera.
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Re: Anybody Else Not Updating @ WU Page
« Reply #51 on: June 30, 2019, 06:57:34 PM »
The fact that the old WU site (when it's up) shows all of the data with all of the decimal precision is a clear indicator that WU's data back end ingestion is working great. The only major problem I see is in displaying the data they took in. So it's a front end problem only.

You're forgetting one important thing:  Your data is their product.  They aggregate all this PWS data and sell it for a lot of money so of course they pay attention to that.  Displaying it "for free" on a public website they really aren't interested in is, however, not a "product". Weather.com is that part of their business.  The WU front end is not a revenue center for them and it exists now solely as eye candy.  Stale, musty-tasting candy.
Still just having 5 or 10 of us boycott WU isn't going to accomplish anything.
No doubt. I quit them not as a "protest" per say, but I no longer wanted to be party to a site that very realistically at any given moment is disseminating bogus data. Completely unacceptable.

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Re: Anybody Else Not Updating @ WU Page
« Reply #52 on: June 30, 2019, 07:04:48 PM »
The fact that the old WU site (when it's up) shows all of the data with all of the decimal precision is a clear indicator that WU's data back end ingestion is working great. The only major problem I see is in displaying the data they took in. So it's a front end problem only.

You're forgetting one important thing:  Your data is their product.  They aggregate all this PWS data and sell it for a lot of money so of course they pay attention to that.  Displaying it "for free" on a public website they really aren't interested in is, however, not a "product". Weather.com is that part of their business.  The WU front end is not a revenue center for them and it exists now solely as eye candy.  Stale, musty-tasting candy.
Still just having 5 or 10 of us boycott WU isn't going to accomplish anything.
No doubt. I quit them not as a "protest" per say, but I no longer wanted to be party to a site that very realistically at any given moment is disseminating bogus data. Completely unacceptable.

I have to agree I hadn't thought of it that way. Valid point.  [tup]
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Re: Anybody Else Not Updating @ WU Page
« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2019, 09:10:51 AM »
No doubt. I quit them not as a "protest" per say, but I no longer wanted to be party to a site that very realistically at any given moment is disseminating bogus data. Completely unacceptable.
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This is precisely why I quit months ago. Before I retired, I spent 20 years administering what amounted to a very large (20k data points distributed among 4 servers) building automation system. In that 20 years, I had an aggregate 9 hours of down time, and only 43 minutes of the entire system being down. I am not bragging, that was simply my JOB. It required being on call 24/7/365 for all of those years, and every so often (maybe twice a year), something would break, and pump out bogus data to my single customer. That constituted an emergency, and I would work the problem till it was fixed, period.

Perhaps I am just old fashioned and out of touch, but I would like to see IBM (the corporate entity) show just 1/10th of the dedication that I, or any one of us here, would devote to gathering this data, processing it, and disseminating it accurately in such a way as to not betray the trust of the millions of potential users of the web site.

The potential of feeding bogus weather data and/or forecasting to millions of users is not trivial.  The mere thought of it SHOULD be horrifying.

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« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2019, 10:31:47 AM »
The Arlo is an IP Camera. I have been looking every place to try to find a solution. I just asked if anyone might know of a fix. I am not a script professional, nor do I claim to know anything or how to produce one? I just thought maybe someone would be able to come up with something that may work. I am stuck with just a security camera I guess. I wrote in the Arlo Forum an asked if this could be possible? Who knows It is nice to dream.
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Re: Anybody Else Not Updating @ WU Page
« Reply #55 on: July 01, 2019, 02:08:50 PM »
As I stated in another thread, the concept of Goldstars being awarded by WU to pws is apparently over. It is missing from both the old and new platforms. When it worked as designed, it was a nice touch, but WU did not maintain it so sending the concept to its grave might be the right answer. :-(

UPDATE, 6 hours later. One of my stations has a goldstar and the “quality” column is back under “manage devices.”  This is very weird to say the least.
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« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2019, 02:23:11 PM »
The camera would have to have RTSP Stream Capable via H.264 encoding for it to work right I guess is what I hear. The ones I have been told support this are Axis, Hikvision, Dahua, Flir, Sony etc. Oh so I guess I should have done more of my homework! Looks like I got a security camera not a webcam now! Oh Well!!!
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Re: Anybody Else Not Updating @ WU Page
« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2019, 03:31:32 PM »
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« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2019, 03:39:36 PM »
The camera would have to have RTSP Stream Capable via H.264 encoding for it to work right I guess is what I hear. The ones I have been told support this are Axis, Hikvision, Dahua, Flir, Sony etc. Oh so I guess I should have done more of my homework! Looks like I got a security camera not a webcam now! Oh Well!!!

Not quite. They are all security cameras and they are all webcams. The issue is the Arlo is it's a proprietary system and was not done to open standards like those other brands you mentioned. The Arlo though was designed with a proprietary technology for a reason though. It was designed for ease of installation for less technical people and to provide simple cloud recording services (that they charge you for). While the other IP cameras with the open standard are designed for you to either run your own recording software or to have a recording device (called an NVR - Network Video Recorder). These cameras and NVRs that run on open standards are more complex to setup and maintain and to view remotely because you need to deal with Firewall ports, unless you are FTPing images to a website....etc.

Arlo isn't the only company providing this type of service with their cameras. Others like Arlo are are Nest, and Ring. Nothing wrong with any of these...as they have been designed for a closed ecosystem. Which means that they can't easily be used for other purposes than what they were designed.
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« Reply #59 on: July 01, 2019, 05:15:50 PM »
 #-o I wish they would open that platform up to at least allow you to RTSP Stream but it is what I bought a security camera. Guess maybe someday I will be able to share my sky weather! LOL I should have just saved my money I guess! Oh well at least I have a security camera now!
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« Reply #60 on: July 01, 2019, 05:23:42 PM »
I totally agree with you! I do have 7 day free cloud and the the 30 day is only like $1.99 mo if I want of the 7 days! They have other options you can pay for to make it smarter. Right now I have to worry about paying it off! But no worries I understand why they do it. I only have a stand alone camera right now! I can add more anytime. Also have the Android App so I can view it if motion is detected and also it will let me do other things. Just not what I was hoping for but I got a nice camera overall! Wife about killed me but oh well she is dealing with it now. LOL
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Re: Anybody Else Not Updating @ WU Page
« Reply #61 on: July 01, 2019, 05:49:09 PM »
There are advantages to an NVR or PC acting as an NVR over Arlo/Nest/Ring.  Just for starters the detection configuration can be "fine tuned" for each camera.  I have one camera that is "cloned" for a total of three, effective, cameras all using the same video stream.  One acts as an overview, one monitors for cars approaching the house in our driveway and the third functions as a traffic monitor for street activity.  Additionally, if WU ever gets FTP fixed(not likely given their level of concern with it), I use the second stream, lower resolution, from that same camera for a weather cam showing ground level conditions and some sky.  There is simply no way to do that with an Arlo/Nest/Ring.  Oh yeah, there are different settings for night and day on all my cameras.

In terms of setup, it's no harder than you want to make it.  They're actually quite simple to configure.  Remote access, secure remote access, is easy with a VPN either running on the router or on the PC.  That helps isolate the cameras from the internet to prevent hacking.  I will admit that I dug about 150 feet of trench, by hand, and installed conduit for the cables to that, particular, camera and another that is "remoted" from the house.  Well worth the effort.

One more comment on complexity...If I can set them up, anyone can.
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« Reply #62 on: July 01, 2019, 07:16:55 PM »
I totally agree with you! I do have 7 day free cloud and the the 30 day is only like $1.99 mo if I want of the 7 days! They have other options you can pay for to make it smarter. Right now I have to worry about paying it off! But no worries I understand why they do it. I only have a stand alone camera right now! I can add more anytime. Also have the Android App so I can view it if motion is detected and also it will let me do other things. Just not what I was hoping for but I got a nice camera overall! Wife about killed me but oh well she is dealing with it now. LOL

Just for grins, are you able to set up your Arlo camera and send an image to their cloud?...overwriting it each time?  Then can you make that image link public for display on the WU website?  Just a thought.

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« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2019, 02:18:13 PM »
 #-o I can take a snapshot manually and video manually after I am logged into there arlo page for my camera. It will send a video to there cloud storage server when it detects motion? As far as a snapshot I don't think it will do that unless I manually click on that in the settings area on my account. I tried the Python Script and it totally sent my laptop into a lock down with all kinds of issues. I basically will never put that on my laptop ever again! It took me several days to get it back to normal. So that would be nice if the arlo would do this. I think I am going to have to buy a another cam just for WU shots and one that will also work on my weather website I have the meteotemplate site I build and he has a few blocks for webcam shots and one for time lapse shots also. I just need to find a IP cam that will let me do both with a set of Rocket Scientist Instruction Manual to know how to set it up to work for both?  ](*,)
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