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Re: Opinions on WeatherFlow smart weather stations?
« Reply #175 on: June 29, 2020, 04:45:51 PM »
I'm surprised that someone hasn't stolen it yet!!!!!  :lol:

Probably because it just looks like a used up Brita filter. A little larger but still.

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Re: Opinions on WeatherFlow smart weather stations?
« Reply #176 on: June 29, 2020, 05:41:53 PM »
Probably because it just looks like a used up Brita filter. A little larger but still.

I always thought that the design resembled a, ummm, muscle relaxer device formerly marketed by Hitachi, but to each his own.....  :grin:
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Re: Opinions on WeatherFlow smart weather stations?
« Reply #177 on: June 29, 2020, 05:51:05 PM »
I can see that too now that you bring it up. It was a pretty magical device, so I've heard.
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Re: Opinions on WeatherFlow smart weather stations?
« Reply #178 on: July 05, 2020, 12:30:46 AM »
hmmmm its getting amusing now  :grin:

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Re: Opinions on WeatherFlow smart weather stations?
« Reply #179 on: July 05, 2020, 12:42:48 AM »
Weather34,
How long have you had your new Tempest for?

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Re: Opinions on WeatherFlow smart weather stations?
« Reply #180 on: July 05, 2020, 01:12:17 AM »
i dont own one but i see identical issues that were all present in the previous product called sky , that being the big one rain related issues , i never understood or could fathom out why they continued with this approach regardless it was raised consistently to them over the last two years . i also really am alarmed that there forum for a new product called tempest  is just full of all the common issues that were raised to them in the previous sky along with some new teething ones . seriously this low cost component haptic approach is terrible it just doesnt work consistently and ill stick my kneck out and say avoid this product until they change the approach they have had two or more years to resolve it and nothing has changed or improved . in my view consistent relative readings within a reasonable tolerance are the basic requirement of a weather station however i accept things can go a bit awol when some diverse weather turns up on your doorstep like a snowstorm,hurricane,tornadoes etc but on non diverse normal days i would expect something relative in return for what you see outside the window in the backyard etc..
only real advances ive seen from the tempest over the sky is the improvement on the temperature related sensor readings but the rain performance is just “ugly” .
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Re: Opinions on WeatherFlow smart weather stations?
« Reply #181 on: July 05, 2020, 05:50:29 AM »
So I guess a loud thunderstorm could also set it off?

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« Reply #182 on: July 05, 2020, 09:51:44 AM »
Very interesting!

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Re: Opinions on WeatherFlow smart weather stations?
« Reply #183 on: July 05, 2020, 12:16:14 PM »
They apparently did try and make some improvements with the haptic rain sensor by isolating it more from the rest of the unit, I'm assuming with some elastic material. Not sure how it panned out.

I've got the original unit, and for the price, I'm pretty happy with it. It really does struggle in light rain though, generally to the point of not reporting it. Unfortunately I haven't got a manual or tipping gauge to compare against at the moment.

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Re: Opinions on WeatherFlow smart weather stations?
« Reply #184 on: August 23, 2020, 04:45:35 PM »
I just picked this up from a FB conversation:

Quote from: FB person 1, Tempest customer
I have to say, I spent $330 and bought the new fancy WeatherFlow Tempest weather station, no moving parts, used scientific AI to configure the data and such, looked really impressive... Has a lot of impressive features too. Well it’s rain “gauge” is flawed. Instead of collecting water it uses vibrations and it’s called a Haptic Rain Sensor, tells the exact time it started and stopped and the depth of rain thru pressure.
So we had a bad rain event here and it only showed .52” rain that night, my CoCoRaHS manual gauge had collected .70” in it, and then the next day the Tempest changed it rain amount to 1.55”!! So I eMailed them and said how can my Wx Station change in 8 hours from .52” to 1.55” when my manual true rain gauge only shows .70”?? I said I run a local Skywarn organization for the NWS in my area I need ACCURATE real-time readings not delayed flawed readings. That night I hooked my Ambient WS-2902 back up! I love my Ambient 2902!

Quote from: FB person 2, acquaintance
That thing is a joke. It is cute ...I'll give it that. But it isn't a real instrument. If all you are going to get is AI rain data then why even bother having a weather station. You can get overall rain data averages for any area without a station. Yet many people buy this things....I just don't get it.

Quote from: FB person 1, Tempest customer
I don’t either. I mean it does have an impressive list of features it displays, but it’s flawed, an AI can’t give you weather results, and when I wrote them to say I’ll be returning it I found out that the reason my Tempest jumped from .52” to 1.55” in 8 hours is cuz they crowdsource the other Tempests in the area and the AI feeds the data based on what those other stations average. I said that’s total bullshit, you guys are meteorologists you should damn well know the rain at MY location won’t be the same at another location a mile or 2 away... That’s when I decided to dump them and I have to package it up to return it now. Unless I sell it.
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Re: Opinions on WeatherFlow smart weather stations?
« Reply #185 on: August 23, 2020, 05:08:07 PM »
Pretty damming.

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Re: Opinions on WeatherFlow smart weather stations?
« Reply #186 on: August 23, 2020, 05:31:44 PM »
they crowdsource the other Tempests in the area and the AI feeds the data based on what those other stations average. I said that’s total bullshit, you guys are meteorologists you should damn well know the rain at MY location won’t be the same at another location a mile or 2 away...
AFAIC this is a case of "pulling the wool" over unknowing eyes. They know that all this AI and such will be a carrot stick for those who like gadgets and most will be clueless on the "limitations" of said design. Frankly I personally don't care, unless they post their crap online...which is probably about 99.9% that do. ](*,)

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Re: Opinions on WeatherFlow smart weather stations?
« Reply #187 on: August 23, 2020, 07:42:29 PM »
Pretty damming.
Yeah, one review and time to dump it.  LOL
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Re: Opinions on WeatherFlow smart weather stations?
« Reply #188 on: August 23, 2020, 07:56:13 PM »
I’m still sitting back and watching all the reviews. I was really liking what I was hearing from a lot of reviews.

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Re: Opinions on WeatherFlow smart weather stations?
« Reply #189 on: August 23, 2020, 08:00:08 PM »
Pretty damming.
Yeah, one review and time to dump it.  LOL
Yeah, you betcha. It's an extremely flawed way to gather reliable data.

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« Reply #190 on: August 24, 2020, 12:56:17 AM »
if you have about a month to spare go read there forum its riddled with issues from day one .
i can not fathom why weatherflow as a company with a good historic professional background fail to acknowledge the rain measurement via their haptic design is totally flawed . this has highlighted to them since early 2018 in the initial consumer product called SKY yet here they are with a second generation 2 years on with a product called tempest and its riddled with problems.

my own far afield observations from day one

a vertical solar panel has upto 40% less efficiency and to make that worse the capture area is relatively small ,so what you will see is seasonal replenishment problems under all scenarios be it cloud,tree cover,landscape elevation and so on. what makes it even worse is they have a threshold setting no user its fixed where if voltage is low wind sensor , rain sensor will shut down.

remember it is an all in one so there is some trade offs  those being any of these wind,temperature,rain,solar replenishment .

rain measurements to sum it up its awful and unreliable to any enthusiast who cares about accuracy and keeping logs of data. time and time again they think rain start or onset of rain is a unique feature well i can think of nothing worse than seeing inaccurate realtime data and this rain check thing is a scam as far im concerned might as well just download an app from an app store .

uv sensor is problematic like all low end low cost uv solutions there is a so called calibration which basically connects to there servers and gets fudged .

lightning sensor in the tempest raised my eyebrows and think its safe to say lightning data you see is not always what is detected there is third party source inflating the figure. but having said that i can see its usefulness in awareness of probability of a storm.

the tempest product relies on being able to connect to there servers however for the advantageous out there disable or connect it to a local router without  internet access as the product can simply be used over a local network and sit back for aweek or so and draw your own conclusions on what the tempest unit is actually measuring without any influence,corrections,manipulation from another source.

having had full access to two installations i drew a conclusion over a few months that there is some method a data manipulation coming into play and what is displayed is not always realtime hardware data.

as an hobbyist/enthusiast this would drive me nuts having become accustomed to having un manipulated realtime data that at times doesn't need an internet source to function.i.e power outages,internet outages everything i use aka Davis with a nanosd still fully functions under outages .

weatherflow are a innovative company that just aint got it right and when you see quotes of field testers “ they are super busy sending out replacements “ the word “replacements” rings alarm bells .. i still hold hope for them that  they are to produce a reliable product with a separate rain gauge in the form of tipping or weight measurement but haptic method is abysmal.

fwiw im not a weatherflow basher just dismayed that soon after the tempest was released,dispatched to the backers of their campaigns the all too familiar issues that were highlighted way back in 2018 in their first generation product were basically present in the 2nd generation tempest along with a few new ones.

beware some will only say good things to keep their relationship with weatherflow in tact but there is no harm in critical if its valid .some will not hear of anything critical of the product and some will refuse to hear that their $300 innovative product is not living up or performing to expectations .


for me personally i refused to get involved in this second generation testing but i strongly suggested them to send a test unit to justin aka jgentry the trusted respected source to me anyway on here of testing the sht31 with the baking method but they didnt . if they had i would have mentioned a few other trusted  knowledgeable sources on here to really help them iron out the finer points..


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Re: Opinions on WeatherFlow smart weather stations?
« Reply #191 on: August 24, 2020, 05:30:15 PM »
Pretty damming.
Yeah, one review and time to dump it.  LOL
Go to their forum and read about it.  There are a lot of issues. Maybe you didn't see it that way.