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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2018, 02:21:21 PM »
My understanding is that the spoon variant is not in mainstream production as yet. The small number of 'spoon VP2' stations that have been produced were intended for extended field testing although one or two may have 'escaped' (and might therefore be collectors' items  :grin:). It's rumoured that full production may not start for a few months yet and once the wider test results are in.

"Escaped" or VERY clever creation of "pre-marketing" buzz (like these posts)?
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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2018, 02:32:04 PM »
"Escaped" or VERY clever creation of "pre-marketing" buzz (like these posts)?

Yes, maybe. But it's a fairly trivial thing to create a sort of viral campaign around. Wouldn't Davis reserve that tactic for prior to a more exciting product launch, not that there's too much obviously on the horizon right now while EM and 2.0 are still being worked through?
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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2018, 02:38:08 PM »
"Escaped" or VERY clever creation of "pre-marketing" buzz (like these posts)?

Yes, maybe. But it's a fairly trivial thing to create a sort of viral campaign around. Wouldn't Davis reserve that tactic for prior to a more exciting product launch, not that there's too much obviously on the horizon right now?

Like a "Pro3"! :grin:

Realistically, just reading the tea leaves, Davis improving yet another aspect of the Pro2 leads me to believe that an anticipated Pro3 is that much further down the road.

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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2018, 02:48:28 PM »
"Escaped" or VERY clever creation of "pre-marketing" buzz (like these posts)?

Yes, maybe. But it's a fairly trivial thing to create a sort of viral campaign around. Wouldn't Davis reserve that tactic for prior to a more exciting product launch, not that there's too much obviously on the horizon right now?

Like a "Pro3"! :grin:

Realistically, just reading the tea leaves, Davis improving yet another aspect of the Pro2 leads me to believe that an anticipated Pro3 is that much further down the road.

Yep, "piecemeal" rather than "wholesale" upgrade/improvement of a sacred cow product?!?  :roll:
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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2018, 03:01:59 PM »
Yep, "piecemeal" rather than "wholesale" upgrade/improvement of a sacred cow product?!?  :roll:

Well, and at the risk of going OT somewhat, if we were to separate out inside and outside, what changes would you like to see in the outside sensors? I can't personally see too much that I would change. Yes I'd like to see a more consistently accurate rain gauge (but maybe (?) the spoon can deliver that). And personally I wish the rain gauge were more easily ground-mountable. And I dare say that the SHT31 critics will chime in.

But those relatively limited details aside, what else would you change - while sticking to the VP2 budget? (ie I'm sure we'd all like to see an ultrasonic anemometer for instance but I see no evidence that is feasible without increasing the price substantially).

Console features are probably a different matter, but I'm just thinking of the outside sensors here.

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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2018, 03:42:45 PM »
Oh neat a single tipping spoon like in my Ambient hardware that I've been criticized for using that does not having double tipping buckets.

In all fairness I'm sure all tipping spoons are not created equal. Like I'm sure this new VP2 design is surely better than the Vue design. But still...what goes around comes around.

Look, please don't misread what I'm saying. I'm not evangelizing Ambient. I'm a big Davis fan and I'm anxiously waiting for a VP3. Glad to see Davis making improvements. Next focus should be that awfully dated looking console. For me Davis only needs to do two improvements and it is as good as a VP3. Change the console to nice color touch display, add built in WiFi logger with direct data access via network, and secondly change from LSS protocol to I2C protocol Sensirion sensors (make it a SHT85).
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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2018, 04:07:26 PM »
Oh neat a single tipping spoon like in my Ambient hardware that I've been criticized for using that does not having double tipping buckets.

In all fairness I'm sure all tipping spoons are not created equal. Like I'm sure this new VP2 design is surely better than the Vue design. But still...what goes around comes around.

(*sigh*)  The Ambient is much like a La Crosse single tipper, Galfert.
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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #57 on: October 12, 2018, 04:43:17 PM »
Oh neat a single tipping spoon like in my Ambient hardware that I've been criticized for using that does not having double tipping buckets.

In all fairness I'm sure all tipping spoons are not created equal. Like I'm sure this new VP2 design is surely better than the Vue design. But still...what goes around comes around.

(*sigh*)  The Ambient is much like a La Crosse single tipper, Galfert.

Hmmm... Are you sure? .Let's make sure we keep the pecking order in line.
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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2018, 05:19:21 PM »
Well considering this was raised by a VP2 sold in Australia then the QA has failed somewhere if it's not supposed to be mainstream yet?   

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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #60 on: October 12, 2018, 05:40:50 PM »
Hmmm... Are you sure?

Yes.

Great, thank you for that. It is confirmed then as you have equalled everything below Acurite, I'm sure Davis people lump and equal everything below them also. Therefore Acurite = Ambient. Not that I care as I have said before, I have no horse in this race. I'm still waiting for the right product to show up for sale. Right now my bet is on Davis finally pulling through after a long delay.

Anyway back to the main topic...

I know that there are several Davis owners with more than one ISS. Once this new tipping spoon becomes available it would be neat to see some comparison test data done by someone. Even if not totally being worthy of being called scientific, I think it would make for interesting and worthy information.
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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #61 on: October 12, 2018, 05:44:50 PM »
Hmmm... Are you sure?

Yes.

Great, thank you for that. It is confirmed then as you have equalled everything below Acurite, I'm sure Davis people lump and equal everything below them also. Therefore Acurite = Ambient. Not that I care as I have said before, I have no horse in this race. I'm still waiting for the right product to show up for sale. Right now my bet is on Davis finally pulling through after a long delay.


It is confirmed you haven't looked at how many stations are constructed.   :roll:

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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #62 on: October 12, 2018, 06:11:28 PM »
Yep, "piecemeal" rather than "wholesale" upgrade/improvement of a sacred cow product?!?  :roll:

Well, and at the risk of going OT somewhat, if we were to separate out inside and outside, what changes would you like to see in the outside sensors? I can't personally see too much that I would change. Yes I'd like to see a more consistently accurate rain gauge (but maybe (?) the spoon can deliver that). And personally I wish the rain gauge were more easily ground-mountable. And I dare say that the SHT31 critics will chime in.

But those relatively limited details aside, what else would you change - while sticking to the VP2 budget? (ie I'm sure we'd all like to see an ultrasonic anemometer for instance but I see no evidence that is feasible without increasing the price substantially).

Console features are probably a different matter, but I'm just thinking of the outside sensors here.
Just one man's opinion:

OUTSIDE
With the SHT31 production life in question; what NEW sensor(s)?
Single Temp sensor and separate RH sensor?
Change to industry-standardized sensor communication bus (sw or hw change)?
Much easier access/replacement of FARS NiMH batteries!
Upgraded, LONGER-life, FARS fan (DC normal; AC optional)

INSIDE
Meld VUE and VP2 console capabilities or incorporate VP2 functions into VUE console.
Consider COLOR display screen?
Conform VP2 console to CWOP-expected ALT barometer format output.
New 'stripped-down' VUE console for wall-mount (display only) that receives WiFi input from master VUE console.
Consider WiFi-Logger direct to IP capability?
Consider wetbulb temperature calculation addition into display

You asked...


TOPIC - "And now, back to your regular-scheduled topic."
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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #63 on: October 12, 2018, 07:32:51 PM »
Issue with the single spoon it can get easily overwhelmed holding the spoon down longer, not sure if that's addressed with the dual spoon being first I've heard of it.
Would be interesting in stand alone version only. I'll never mount a gauge high again but do realize not everyone wants weather instruments strewn all over the place.  :lol:

Hard to beat Rainwise RAINEW-111 stand alone IMO.

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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #64 on: October 12, 2018, 07:49:08 PM »
Just one man's opinion:

OUTSIDE
With the SHT31 production life in question; what NEW sensor(s)?
Single Temp sensor and separate RH sensor?
Change to industry-standardized sensor communication bus (sw or hw change)?
Much easier access/replacement of FARS NiMH batteries!
Upgraded, LONGER-life, FARS fan (DC normal; AC optional)

INSIDE
Meld VUE and VP2 console capabilities or incorporate VP2 functions into VUE console.
Consider COLOR display screen?
Conform VP2 console to CWOP-expected ALT barometer format output.
New 'stripped-down' VUE console for wall-mount (display only) that receives WiFi input from master VUE console.
Consider WiFi-Logger direct to IP capability?
Consider wetbulb temperature calculation addition into display

You asked...


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Agreed with all the suggestions here.

But as much as a VP3 sounds like an imperative given the age of the VP2, I'd be happy with the existing product line so long as Davis was willing to fix broken stuff and leave what's working alone. Going new invariable creates a bunch of new problems and probably introduces a raft of counter-productive features (like WiFi-only ISS, cloud-only data, crappy documentation, etc). Technology industry trends are not going in a positive direction for DIY-ers and a new product would have to concede to the CURRENT marketplace, in one form or another, where people, including skilled professionals, don't fix things, read things or want to deal with details. They want it dead simple (so simple, oftentimes, it doesn't even work! Not much simpler than that!).

I, too, am curious about this new spoon design as I've been having issues recently with my 5 yr old tipping bucket (repeated ~30% errors even though everything appears in working order and does work perfectly *sometimes* for no reason related to the usual suspects: wind, debris, leveling, shadowing, etc). If this were an improvement, I could see picking one up in the spring. 
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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #65 on: October 12, 2018, 08:10:30 PM »
Just one man's opinion:

OUTSIDE
With the SHT31 production life in question; what NEW sensor(s)?
Single Temp sensor and separate RH sensor?
Change to industry-standardized sensor communication bus (sw or hw change)?
Much easier access/replacement of FARS NiMH batteries!
Upgraded, LONGER-life, FARS fan (DC normal; AC optional)

INSIDE
Meld VUE and VP2 console capabilities or incorporate VP2 functions into VUE console.
Consider COLOR display screen?
Conform VP2 console to CWOP-expected ALT barometer format output.
New 'stripped-down' VUE console for wall-mount (display only) that receives WiFi input from master VUE console.
Consider WiFi-Logger direct to IP capability?
Consider wetbulb temperature calculation addition into display

You asked...


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I'd be happy with the existing product line so long as Davis was willing to fix broken stuff and leave what's working alone.
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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #66 on: October 12, 2018, 08:14:30 PM »
Issue with the single spoon it can get easily overwhelmed holding the spoon down longer, not sure if that's addressed with the dual spoon being first I've heard of it.
Would be interesting in stand alone version only. I'll never mount a gauge high again but do realize not everyone wants weather instruments strewn all over the place.  :lol:

Hard to beat Rainwise RAINEW-111 stand alone IMO.

I agree with Randy on that. The RainWise gauge is a great investment. Might have to calibrate it once, but after you do, it works like a charm and matches well with CoCoRaHS gauge.
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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #67 on: October 12, 2018, 10:56:32 PM »
I bought one of these little toys.  It uses a tipping spoon and seems to match up well with my Davis Vantage Pro

https://www.amazon.com/ECOWITT-Precision-Self-emptying-Collector-Temperature/dp/B0791B6B48

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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #68 on: October 12, 2018, 11:09:26 PM »
I bought one of these little toys.  It uses a tipping spoon and seems to match up well with my Davis Vantage Pro

https://www.amazon.com/ECOWITT-Precision-Self-emptying-Collector-Temperature/dp/B0791B6B48

That is a Fine Offset clone. Same rain guage in the new Ambient Weather stations (WS-2902A and WS-2000). Good to hear that it tracks right along with Davis. Thanks!
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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2018, 12:09:11 AM »
If anybody is going to get serious with new designs then maybe time to go all ultrasonic, no mechanical flip/flops or spinning anything, It is out there but what many probably mean is they want the top shelf that does it all at a cheap rate. 

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Some would call that a Weather Echo, old part #'s 7602 & 7603, was good thing in its day, maybe all this was old will be new again?

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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #70 on: October 13, 2018, 06:10:00 AM »
Maybe Davis has their own Area 51?   ;)

I needed to call Davis Support yesterday on an issue with my VP2 rain tipping and they are sending new tipping parts and metric adapter.  I asked support whether the new tipping spoon might be a better solution and he said the tipping spoon is only available for the Vue.  When I mentioned about the tipping spoon for VP2 as discussed here he said he had not been made aware and is just going to send the replacements parts for the original VP2 tipper.  I guess the new VP2 tipping spoon info hasn't gone through the Davis knowledge stream.

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Re: VP2 tipping spoon raingauge?
« Reply #71 on: October 13, 2018, 02:51:58 PM »
If anybody is going to get serious with new designs then maybe time to go all ultrasonic, no mechanical flip/flops or spinning anything, It is out there but what many probably mean is they want the top shelf that does it all at a cheap rate. 

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....New 'stripped-down' VUE console for wall-mount (display only) that receives WiFi input from master VUE console.
Some would call that a Weather Echo, old part #'s 7602 & 7603, was good thing in its day, maybe all this was old will be new again?

Yes, that's what I was suggesting: a single Master station and 'display only' optional wall mount...something less costly than buying a VUE console.
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