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The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres.

Tides are not formed along the entire coast of the seas and oceans, but only on those coasts where there is a high speed of currents.
And the higher the speed of currents along the coast, the higher the amplitude of the tidal wave.
On those coasts where the speed of currents is 0 km / h, the amplitude of the tides is also 0 meters.

The waters of the lakes, seas and oceans of the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, and the waters of the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise, forming cyclonic gyres.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_gyre
As you know, everything that rotates, including the cycles, has the property of a gyroscope - to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.

If you look at the Earth from the side of the Sun, the gyres, rotating with the Earth, turn over twice a day, thanks to which the gyres precess (sway by 1-2 degrees) and reflect a tidal wave from themselves along the entire perimeter of the gyre.
https://goo.gl/images/M4SJq8 http://goo.gl/AM5g1s

The waters of the White Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming a huge gyroscope whirlwind, which precessing reflects the tidal wave along the entire perimeter of the White Sea. A similar pattern of tides is observed in all lakes, seas and oceans.
White Sea. http://rivermaps.ru/doc/beloe/beloe-3.htm
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png

The waters of the Mediterranean Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming tides 10–15 cm high. In the Gulf of Gabes, off the coast of Tunisia, the height of the tides reaches three meters, and sometimes more, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature. But at the same time, the whirlpool rotates in the Gulf of Gabes, precessing reflecting an additional tidal wave. https://youtu.be/wlvkrRdYNZ0
The tidal wave in the Amazon River creates a huge planetary circulation with a diameter of several thousand km., Rotating between South America and North Africa, covering the mouth of the Amazon River.
The pattern of movement of the tidal wave along the perimeter of the North Atlantic planetary circulation (according to satellite data). http://goo.gl/R1hx0H

The length of the tidal wave depends on the diameter of the rotation.
The height of the tidal wave depends on the rotation speed of the rotation, the orbital velocity of the Earth and the time of the rotation of the rotation (12 hours).
A = V1 • V2 / t
Where, A is the amplitude of the tidal wave (precession angle).
V1 is the rotation speed of the rotation.
V2 is the orbital velocity of the Earth.
t is the time of the rollover of the cycle (12 hours).
Table of tidal amplitude versus current velocity, on all coasts.
1 km / h - 1 meter.
5 km / h - 5 meter.
10 km / h - 10 meter.
15 km / h - 15 meter.
The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the gyre, the amount of water under the gyre, the distance from the coast to the gyre, and the direction of the current (north, south, west, east).

Currents that move along the equator, reflect from the tidal wave to the north and south twice a day.
And currents that move along the meridian, reflect from themselves a tidal wave to the west and east 1-2 times a day.

The tidal cycle theory can be easily verified by relating the tidal wave height to the rotation speed of the cycle.
By the height of the tides, you can determine the speed of the current along the coast, relying on the map of sea currents.
A simple experiment can be made if you rotate the globe around the axis and in orbit, entwined along the equator and meridian with a plastic hose in which the fluid moves.

To be continued. "The mechanism of thermoregulation of the Earth."
Forum Akademgorodok Novosibirsk. The science. https://forum.academ.club/index.php?showtopic=1235578
Forum of Nizhny Novgorod State University named after N.I. Lobachevsky.
http://forum.unn.ru/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=10331&sid=cfbc49e0cf32263eff20888ca205ab15
The discovery was published in a Russian-German scientific peer-reviewed journal. “Eastern European Scientific Journal” No. 3/2015. Page 64. June
Scientific journal NBIKS-Nauka.Tehnologii No. 4/2018. Page 104.
(Nanotechnological Society of Russia).
French Maritime Forum.
http://forummarine.forumactif.com/t9357-le-flux-et-reflux-est-le-resultat-de-la-rotation-de-la-terre
English Maritime Forum. http://forummarine.forumactif.com/t9372-the-mechanism-of-thermoregulation-of-the-earth#223456
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Criticism of the lunar theory of the tides.

According to the Static theory of tides, the lunar tidal wave moves from east to west after the moon at a speed of 1600 km / h, circling the Earth in 24 hours, filling only the eastern coast of the continents. But through the centuries it was discovered.
1. What does the lunar tidal wave flood both the western, southern and northern shores of the continents?
2. That the tidal wave speed of 1600 km / h is detrimental to both continents and marine fauna?
3. What at the same time, not two tidal humps are functioning all over the globe, but more than a hundred, regardless of the location of the moon?
4. That for some reason abnormally high tides are formed in half-closed bays, where there is no direct access to the tidal wave. And in the bays open to the tidal wave, are there no tides at all, or are they small?
5. Quote: “a half-meter“ lunar tidal wave ”, such as a mini-tsunami, rushes to the eastern coast of the continents at the equator at a supersonic speed.
https://scfh.ru/lecture/prilivy-i-otlivy-v-moryakh-i-vo-vselennoy/
https://youtu.be/NqDEaFjIXPw

Later, a dynamic theory of tides was proposed, which was supposed to answer all the questions posed.
According to the dynamic theory of tides, the lunar tidal wave moves from east to west at a speed of 800 to 1,600 km / h. Crashing into the continents, part of the wave scatters in place, and the reflected part rotates around the ocean due to the Coriolis effect. Like water that rotates in a cup if you move the cup back and forth.
The only link on the Internet that reveals the "essence" of the dynamic theory of tides. http://www.iupui.edu/~g115/mod12/lecture07.html
 
But the dynamic theory of tides does not answer all the questions posed.
1. What happens in the region where the tidal hump collides with the continent?
2. If you move the cup of water back and forth, the water will splash out, not spin.
3. Does the gravity of the moon affect the speed of the secondary tidal wave, which moves from west to east?
4. Is the moon in sync with secondary tidal waves?
5. Four tidal humps, two moons and two suns simultaneously move across the Earth. Do primary and secondary tidal waves collide with each other?
6. How does a current that moves along the coast create tides?
7. As you know, the Coriolis effect rejects objects that move only along the meridian. Coriolis force does not deflect objects that move along the equator.
8. The Coriolis effect, is able to deflect only the current, but not the tidal wave and tsunami.
9. The Coriolis effect is able to deflect only the current, but not the tidal wave and tsunami.
10. Does the Coriolis effect affect the atmosphere and continents?
11. The indisputable dynamic theory of tides is not yet written. For this reason, the dynamic theory of tides, in fact being a hypothesis, is poorly covered on the Internet.
At the same time, the dynamic theory is considered the main theory, it is taught in educational institutions on it are calendars of tides.
The only link on the Internet that reveals the "essence" of the dynamic theory of tides. http://www.iupui.edu/~g115/mod12/lecture07.html
12. The problem with the study of tides is that researchers are hesitant to completely reject the idea of ​​the effect of the moon on tides. Focusing on a small increase in the height of the tides in the new moon phase. By asserting that since the height of the tides rises in the new moon phase, the moon is involved in the tides. And do not pay attention to a dozen other mismatches.
The tide table was compiled before and after the static theory of tides by trial and error, based on experience and long-term data. At one time, the solar calendars were also drawn up by trial and error, being sure that the sun revolved around the earth.
And according to the circulation theory of tides, the height of the tides also depends on the orbital velocity of the Earth. Which, in the new moon is maximum and in the full moon is minimal, due to the rotation of the moon around the earth.
A = V1 • V2 / t.
If, you move in a car weighing 800 kg., And around the car rotates a load of 10 kg. Thanks to the load, the car will move unevenly.
13. That tidal waves move along the perimeter of the seas and oceans, has been noticed for a long time. It was also noted that tides are formed on those coasts where the high speed of currents. There is a term - tidal current.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/oceanography/ocean-current4.htm
14. While the tidal wave makes one revolution around the Earth, the Moon makes two turns, how is the gravitational connection between the Moon and the tidal hump?
15. In order for the lunar tidal hump to exist, the inhomogeneity of the gravitational field is necessary, and for this, the moon must always be above the hump, otherwise the hump will fall apart?
16. If the moon created the tidal hump on Earth, it would not be an ellipse but a “drop”. (The force of gravity is added, not compensated)?
17. The moon is not in sync with the tidal waves. (The moon is one, and there are hundreds of tidal waves on Earth)?
According to the circulation theory of tides, the diurnal inequality and the tide delay time of 50 minutes per day depends on the speed of the cycle, around the axis of the earth and in the orbit of the earth.
(The movement of the cycle in the orbit of the earth resembles the movement of the spool of an automobile wheel relative to the earth)
18. The assertion that the local geographic conditions, especially the narrowing bay and the depth of the coast, is theoretically and experimentally unconfirmed information that is taken from the ceiling has a great influence on the tide height.
The filling of the bay lasts 6 hours and is extremely slow at a barely noticeable speed, this can be easily checked in the kitchen with the help of a saucer.
The shape of the bay can increase the height of the tides up to two times, but not ten times.
The average tidal height in all oceans is 1 meter. In the Bay of Fundy, the height of the tides reaches 18 meters.
https://youtu.be/LuxTviktIN8 https://youtu.be/xqPPxTEqTR8
19. How the tidal forces of the earth stopped the rotation of the moon, if the side of the moon facing the earth is concave, and the reverse side of the moon is convex. Laser altimeters of the Apollo 15, 17 ships showed that the visible side of the moon lies below the average level, and the invisible side above it?
20. In astronautics, it is already a proven fact that the region of attraction of the moon is limited to 10 thousand kilometers from the surface of the moon,
artificial moon satellites with an orbit radius of more than 10 thousand km. break out of orbit?
21. It is believed that abnormally high spring "Tides of the Century" with an amplitude of 15 meters in the Gulf of Saint-Malo are formed during the parade of planets, then why in the other bays of the Northern Hemisphere during the parade of planets there are no abnormally high "Tides of the century".
Moreover, in some bays of the Northern Hemisphere during the planet parade, abnormally low “Tides of the Century” occur. (Fundy Bay, Ungava Bay, Mezen Bay, Penzhinskaya Bay, etc.)?
22. How to explain the fact that in southwestern Australia at Fremantle Port the tides are significant for part of the year and then disappear.
Once a year, in the delta of the Northern Dvina, during spring floods, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature?
23. What theory was the Chinese tidal calendar of 1100 based on?
The editors are ready to withdraw the article if an objective critical review is written. Scientific journal NBIKS-Nauka.Tehnologii http://www.rusnor.org/pubs/articles/15638.htm
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According to the lunar theory of tides, in temperate zones tidal force raises the earth's crust to a height of 20 cm, and at the equator more than 50 cm.
Then why are the tides in the equatorial zone three times lower than in the temperate zones?
The maximum height of the tides in the temperate zones is:
1) Fundy Bay in North America - 18 m.
2) The mouth of the Severn River in England - 16 m.
3) Bay of Mont Saint-Michel in France - 15 m.
The maximum height of the tides in the equatorial zone is:
1) Maraca Brazil - 9 m.
2) Balboa Panama - 5 m.
3) Zanzibar Tanzania - 3.5 m.
Information about the tides in some ports of the world.
https://www.krugosvet.ru/enc/Earth_sciences/geografiya/PRILIVI_I_OTLIVI.html
The tidal cycle theory explains this discrepancy by the absence of the Coriolis force at the equator, which is necessary for the formation of cycles, cyclones and anticyclones.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a0730201f0f095995e9cc6c7c9875519
According to the lunar theory of tides, abnormally high tides should occur at the equator and not in the temperate zones.
Quote: “a half-meter“ lunar tidal wave ”, such as a mini-tsunami, rushes to the eastern coast of the continents at the equator at a supersonic speed. https://scfh.ru/lecture/prilivy-i-otlivy-v-moryakh-i-vo-vselennoy/
https://youtu.be/NqDEaFjIXPw

How to understand the fact that the amplitude of the tides in the Bay of Fundy yesterday was 6 meters, and today is 18 meters?
What changes have occurred overnight, for such a sharp jump?
We have two possible answers:
1. For a day, the force of gravity increased three times.
2. During the day, the rotation speed of the rotation has increased three times.

Record high tide in the Bay of Fundy - 21.6 meters - occurred only once in the entire history of observations, on the night of 4 to 5 October in 1869.
On the night of October 4-5 in 1869, under the influence of the Saxby Gale cyclone, a record rainfall fell over the river basins flowing into the Bay of Fundy (300 mm per day), thanks to which the waters of the Bay of Fundy poured into the Bay of Man and increased their rotation speed gyre in the Gulf of Maine three times.

During the flood of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the current speed in the north of the Gulf of Maine rises to 20 km / h, with the result that the height of the tides reaches 18 meters.
During a drought over the basins of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides does not exceed three meters.
And the most important question is why in the season of abnormally high tides in the Bay of Fundy, in other bays of the Northern Hemisphere, the amplitude of the tides does not increase?
A similar pattern of abnormally high tides (floods) is observed in all bays into which rivers flow.

Real-time animation shows how waters flowing into the Bay of Man from the Bay of Fundy form a cycle that, precessing, reflects a tidal wave toward the Bay of Fundy.
https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR3fDQD_uF0xgVpETpxVzbrv2xxgzOR0UfAKIEFDHAKoC2jzE-Mpu1lIWMs#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=-65.27,44.29,3000/loc=-66.405,44.310
https://images.app.goo.gl/hAE4F7kyMQ1mhcAF9
Mezen Bay White Sea tide height reaches 10 m.
https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR245zpmdxn7SmOQdJ7qF9HhRn-54AYSZIChWmA6-0A2rXyJ9y2UivmtlZA#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=42.30,67.95,3000/loc=44.019,65.946
Tides - table. http://www.prilivy.com

Why is there a high content of hydrogen sulfide in the east of the Mediterranean Sea and there are no tides?

According to the “lunar theory of tides,” a tidal wave enters the Mediterranean Sea through the Strait of Gibraltar, pulsating every 12 hours and until the east of the Mediterranean tidal wave barely reaches.
And according to the circulation theory of the tides, the flow that flows into the Mediterranean Sea spins the cycles much faster than in the east of the Mediterranean Sea. https://youtu.be/wlvkrRdYNZ0
According to the “lunar theory of tides,” a tidal wave in the Atlantic Ocean moves from east to west after the moon, and crashes into the eastern coast of South and North America.
Then, reflecting, it moves back east and flows into the throat of the Mediterranean, Baltic, White and other seas.
The pattern of tidal wave movement from the North Atlantic Ocean to Chukotka. https://www.esr.org/research/polar-tide-models/movies/?fbclid=IwAR3fB506PI_LBQcjUyDVVjtSjLNW_voHpajgMBjuTXOPK9I4aMGcdT8rFYg
The height of the tides in the west of the Mediterranean Sea reaches 1.2 meters, in the east of 15 cm.
The average depth of the Mediterranean Sea is 1500 meters, in the east 1700 meters. The maximum depth is 5000 meters.

In the Indian Ocean, a tidal wave with a height of 0.5 meters, obeying the dynamic theory of tides, moves from east to west at a speed of 800 - 1600 km / h. Crashing into the eastern coast of the island of Madagascar creates tides 1.5 meters high, and abnormally high tides up to 7 meters high, for some reason are formed in the west of the island of Madagascar.
And it should be the other way around.
Wikipedia explains this discrepancy by the reflection of waves and the fact that the Coriolis force does its job.
And the real reason for this inconsistency is the giant cycle that revolves around the island of Madagascar at a speed of up to 9 km / h, precessing, reflecting a tidal wave towards the west coast of the island of Madagascar.
https://youtu.be/jJ8aARJobXc
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_mys_Igolny
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique_current

Wikipedia explains the tidal physics in many languages ​​of the world, and different formulas are written in each language, and in some languages ​​there are no formulas at all.
And there are no real, digital calculations of the tidal heights of a particular bay or coast.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide
By the degree of discrepancy of a particular theory, one can judge the degree of inaccuracy of the theory.
In Wikipedia and the encyclopedia, gravitational and centrifugal forces are equally explained in all languages.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_force

The tidal cycle theory can be easily verified by relating the tidal height to the rotation speed of the cycle.
List of seas, with an average flow rate of more than 0.5 km / h and tidal heights of more than 50 cm:
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargas Sea, Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Alaska Bay, etc.
List of seas, with an average flow rate of less than 0.5 km / h, and a tidal height of less than 50 cm:
Baltic Sea, Greenland Sea, Black Sea, Sea of ​​Azov, Chukchi Sea, Kara Sea, Laptev Sea, Red Sea, Sea of ​​Marmara, Caribbean Sea, Sea of ​​Japan, Gulf of Mexico, etc.
https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_seas
USSR Sea http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2018, 04:34:22 PM »
are you trying to say that the moon does not cause tides?
then how come tide charts based on the moon are so accurate?

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2018, 05:04:45 AM »
The modern table of tides is made by trial and error and customized to the lunar theory of tides.
According to the lunar theory of tides, maximum tides are formed in the phase of the new moon and full moon.
And according to the circulation theory of tides, the maximum tides are formed in the new moon phase and the minimum in the full moon phase.
Creating a tidal table by trial and error is quite simple, because the tidal height is almost the same every year, with the exception of the bays into which the rivers flow.
Tide tables were compiled long before the discovery of the theory of tides (trial and error).
The same tables are used today, they are annually adjusted based on long-term data.
Based on the "lunar theory of tides", tides can be predicted for many years to come.
And based on the tidal theory of tides, it is not possible to predict the height of tides, because it is not known at what speed tomorrow the cycles will rotate.
 Galileo called the lunar theory of the tides frivolous, a sad return to the realm of mystical nonsense, and preferred to explain the tides by the rotation of our planet.
D.G. Darwin wrote in 1911: “There is no need to search for ancient literature for the sake of the grotesque theories of tides.” However, sailors manage to measure their height and use the possibilities of the tides, not having an idea of ​​the real causes of their occurrence.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2018, 05:03:48 AM »
Always wondered where does all that water go when the tides out :) Can't go that far can it as it's all back in just a few hours but then the same amount never comes back the next day, so who took it?

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2018, 06:14:44 AM »
I think whirlpool is the wrong term you are using here
sure the tides propagates around centers, but the whole ocean is not moving sideways along with that tidal bulge that is propagating like you would in an actual whirlpool (except in harbours)
i.e the open ocean is lifted up then lowered down again as the bulge passes by..a bit like a tsunami wave travelling through the ocean...there is no sideways movement as such (there are ocean currents though, which is related to prevailing winds etc)
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2018, 08:05:30 AM »
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Tide
The lunar theory of tides is too complex, it can not be studied, I think there is no person on earth who knows this theory.
Before accepting or refuting the theory, it must be examined.
Anyone who understands this theory, he will refuse it.
Then show us your simple maths to accurately calculate the tides at a given place using whirlpools please.
I'd gladly give up using harmonics if there was a much simpler way of doing it.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2018, 12:00:00 PM »
To calculate the height of the tides, you need to know the rotation speed of the whirlpools and the depth of the sea.
To calculate the height of the tides of the Bay of Fundy, you need to know the speed of flow in the north of the Gulf of Maine, but this data is not.
In the Bay of Fundy, for the formation of tides 18 meters high, the flow in the north of the Gulf of Maine should be about 15 km / h.
http://www.gulfofmaine-census.org/wp-content/images/circulation/fig4.jpg
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2018, 03:15:03 PM »
but has nothing to do with a whirlpool in the ocean
instead you just talking about water moving in and out of harbours/bays etc (which increases the resultant tide height) due to the passing bulge of increased ocean height (the tidal bulge passing under the moon as the earth rotates)

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2018, 02:58:28 AM »
To calculate the height of the tides in the Bay of Fundy, you need to know the speed of the whirlpool and the depth of the Gulf of Maine.
If anyone has this information, please write them.
http://www.gulfofmaine-census.org/wp-content/images/circulation/fig4.jpg

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2018, 02:57:33 AM »
So what is the purpose to all of this whirlpool theory?

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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2018, 04:33:14 AM »
So what is the purpose to all of this whirlpool theory?
About tidal force.
For reference: "Tidal forces in nature - the statement that the center of the Earth is less attracted by the Moon than the surface of the Earth due to remoteness." The degree of heterogeneity of the gravitational field of the Earth depends on the distance from the Center of the Earth to the Earth's surface. And the larger the radius of the planet, the greater the heterogeneity of the gravitational field.
If tidal forces existed, then the pressure of water and air would certainly react to this, especially during the parade of the planets.
Darwin and Laplace scattered with their research the conviction that the Moon influences the barometer with its attraction.
http://www.e-reading.mobi/chapter.php/87995/21/Voroncov-Vel%27yaminov_-_Laplas.html
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2018, 11:50:35 AM »
So what is the purpose to all of this whirlpool theory?
It is believed that the maximum tides are formed in the new moon and the minimum tides are formed in a quadrature. Has anyone tested this? (Minimal tides are formed in a full moon)?
Yes, very easily observed at places with large tidal ranges, we have about 5-6m range, springs and neaps are obvious.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2018, 12:08:50 AM »
Fluctuation of the amplitude of tides during the month is a rather complex phenomenon of nature and it will be rather difficult to explain it without a model of the solar system.
This is due to the oscillation of the orbital velocity of the earth, and the complex trajectory of the earth's motion in orbit, because of the barycenter.
And further.
The center of the earth can be imagined as a material point that moves in orbit at a speed of about 30 km / s, while the Bay of Fundy revolving around this point at a speed of 1,700 km / h, moves relative to the sun, then forward and backward, then tops downwards, which adds additional complexity.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2018, 02:45:58 AM »
https://www.tide-forecast.com/locations/Saint-Malo-France/tides/latest
 http://geosfera.org/evropa/718-la-mansh-proliv-mezhdu-angliey-i-franciey.html
This link shows that the height of the tides in the Gulf of Saint-Malo can determine the speed of the current in the Bay of La Mancha.
This month, the average height of the tides is about 10 meters and the speed of the current should be about 10 km / h.
If these numbers do not coincide, then the whirlpool theory can be considered a mistake.

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2018, 08:01:21 AM »
Aren't you confusing cause and effect?
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2018, 02:53:56 PM »
Another problem with the whirlpool theory is that the tidal forces continue across land. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_tide


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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2018, 06:33:05 AM »
October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters (Once in the history of observation).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.
1. Gravitation.
2. The coastline
3. Inclination of the moon.
4. Rotational speed of the whirlpool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1869_Saxby_Gale
Sharp fluctuations in the amplitude of tides occur not only in the Bay of Fundy, but also in other bays where rivers flow.
You can read the encyclopedia
https://www.encyclopedia.com/earth-and-environment/geology-and-oceanography/geology-and-oceanography/tides
https://www.1902encyclopedia.com/T/TID/tides.html

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2018, 07:40:29 AM »
I think you gave the answer yourself....
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Tides are not formed along the entire coast of the seas and oceans
Part of it may be the language barrier, but it sounds like you independently came up with the Dynamic Theory of the Tides.

A small bit of effort on your part, and some study of the matter, should help you realize the larger issues, as well as the cause of the oceanic tides.

The oceanic tidal gyres are called amphidromic systems.  And while no wiki article exists that actually explains it all, you might find some obscure blog that lays it all out .

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2019, 04:05:46 AM »
October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.

Seems pretty obvious. Storm surge pushed a lot of water up the bay along with tons of rain. High water results.

Am I missing something here?.

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Got to be a way to block this ridiculous topic.... smh
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Oh no. It's fun. Akin to the thread that posits the main force that allow aircraft fly is due to gravitational forces repelling  them from the surface.

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Oh no. It's fun. Akin to the thread that posits the main force that allow aircraft fly is due to gravitational forces repelling  them from the surface.
Where is that thread?


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