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I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« on: April 30, 2013, 11:49:10 AM »
What the subject says... We answer the same questions over and over about buying Davis stations. I'll post the first draft here in a little while, and then accept comments and additions. Once it's complete, I'll roll it all into one post and make that sticky for referring people to.

In the interim, feel free to post anything you think should be included.

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Re: I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2013, 02:19:33 PM »
Great idea.  I'll cancel my reply to another thread and wait for your draft.

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Re: I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2013, 02:19:50 PM »
That would be easier AFTER you're done!   :grin:

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Re: I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2013, 05:59:03 PM »
OK, here's the first part. I have place holders for additional sections yet to be written.

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Davis Weather Station Buying Guide

So, you’re thinking about buying a Davis Instruments Weather Station and you don’t know where to start.

Start here… :)

Davis pricing:

This might seem like a strange starting point. However, here’s why I put it first:

Davis has a Minimum Advertised Price (MAP) policy with its dealers. That means that the dealers cannot advertise a price lower than what Davis sets as the MAP price.

However, the dealers can sell at whatever price they want to. That’s why I put this subject first.

Most on-line Davis dealers will happily sell to you below MAP. The trick is in finding out what their lowest price really is. Some may want you to register or “create an account" on their site to see below MAP pricing. Others may just want you to send an email to a special address, which will then send you a link to their “secret” pricing. In almost all cases, they will be happy to tell you the price via an email, chat (if available) or phone call.

So, if you’ve done a little research and you think you can only afford a Vue because you’ve looked at catalog or web site pricing, you might really be able to afford a Vantage Pro 2 (VP2).  Or, you might be able to get a VP2 Plus instead of a VP2. 


Stations


Currently, Davis Instruments offers the Vantage Vue, Vantage Pro 2, and Vantage Pro 2 Plus weather stations. The basic weather station includes an outdoor unit, called the Integrated Sensor Suite (ISS) which has the rain gauge, outdoor temperature and humidity sensors, and wine vane and anemometer. It also includes an indoor console which has the indoor temperature and humidity sensors, as well as the barometric pressure sensor and an LCD screen to display the data and buttons to control it and enter various settings.

Vantage Vue

The Vue is an entry level station. Its communications is wireless between the ISS and the console (900 MHz spread spectrum, not WiFi). Like all Davis wireless stations, range is estimated to be 1,000’ line of sight (LOS). The ISS is an all-in-one unit which can’t be separated into individual sensors.

Station Siting

Let’s break here for a word about sensor placement. Almost every weather station siting is a compromise between the perfect placement and the area you have to work with, as well as external considerations such as local/association rules, spousal concerns, surrounding terrain, etc. The weather station design itself may also impose its own compromises.

In a perfect site, the rain gauge would be close to ground level in an open area, the outdoor temperature and humidity 4-5’ above ground over grass in an open area and the wind vane/anemometer at 33’ above ground in an open area free of obstructions.

As you can see, unless you live on a ball field, or open range, placement will likely be made up of various compromises.

Maintenance may also influence your placement of the weather station sensors. Wireless stations will require occasional battery replacement, and every rain gauge needs to be cleaned sooner or later.

Now, back to the Vue.

Vue ISS photo here…

Being an all-in-one design, siting the Vue ISS means compromising the ideal placement of one or more of the sensors. Down low where the temperature and humidity want to be, and wind is less accurate. Up high, wind is happy, but the rain catch will be affected, temperature and humidity will likely be different than closer to the ground, and maintenance may be difficult.

With a couple of exceptions Vues are not expandable to other sensors. More on that later.

Vantage Pro 2

The VP2 comes in either wired or wireless models, referring to the communications between the console and ISS.

Wired stations are cheaper to buy, harder to install (running the phone-style cable to the ISS), and easier to maintain (no battery in the ISS). Wired stations are not expandable, except for UV and Solar sensors. The wired station ships with 100’ of cable to connect to the console, which can be extended to 1000’.

Wireless stations are, conversely, more expensive, easier to install (no cable), but will require periodic ISS battery replacement. As stated before, the wireless transmission range is stated by Davis to be 1,000’ LOS. Many have had good results at longer distances. The range can also be increased with up to 4 Davis repeaters. More on repeaters later.

Wireless stations can add UV and solar sensors also, and their consoles can receive data from up to 7 other Davis wireless stations.

Vantage Pro 2 Plus

These wired or wireless stations are the same as described as above, except that they include the solar and UV sensors already mounted on the ISS. Solar and UV can be added to the VP2 ISS later, but will cost ~$100 more for both sensors and the Sensor Mounting Shelf than if you purchased the station with them installed.

Anemometer/Wind Vane mounting

For the Vantage Pro 2 and 2 Plus, the anemometer comes with 40 of cable for mounting the wind head away from the ISS. That distance can be extended to 240’ with some loss in maximum measured speed. At 240’, the max is stated by Davis to be 100 MPH.

Extra Wireless Stations

Wireless VP2 consoles can receive data from up to 7 more wireless stations besides the ISS.

Temperature only transmitter (probe on a cable, ideal for measuring water, soil, or air temperature)
   Up to 6 per system

Temperature/Humidity transmitter (sensors in a radiation shield)
   Up to 6 per system

Soil Moisture/Leaf Wetness/Temperature transmitter (probes on cables)
   1 per system with 2 soil moisture, 2 leaf wetness and 4 temperature probe
   OR
   2 per system
      1 with 4 soil moisture and 4 temperature probes
      AND
      1 with 2 leaf wetness and 2 temperature probes

Anemometer transmitter
   1 per system, takes the place of the wired anemometer connection for remote mounting of the wind unit.

Notes:

A Pro 2 or 2 Plus console can only receive complete data from 1 ISS, whether it is a Pro 2 or Vue ISS. ISS Temperature only, or temperature/humidity data can be received as extras wireless station data on a console, but everthing else will be ignored.

Vue consoles can receive data from an anemometer transmitter. This replaces the data from the ISS anemometer and wind vane. It also requires a separate wind unit as the Vue one is integrated into the ISS and is not separable.

In place of the Vue ISS, Vue consoles can also receive and display data from a VP2 ISS which includes solar and UV. However, those sensors cannot be fitted to a Vus ISS.

Other than those two exceptions, Vues cannot be used with other wireless stations.

Repeaters

To extend the range between the console and some or all wireless stations, Davis sells 2 types of  repeaters, Standard and Long Range. The standard repeater will extend the range up to another 1,000’. 4 long range repeaters with the right antennas could, in theory extend up to > 40,000. repeater system design can get fairly complicated and is beyond the scope of this post. 

(sections still to write...)

Loggers (computer connections)

Software

Dealers

Tech Support

Maintenance

Repairs

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Re: I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2013, 06:38:26 PM »
Your timing is impeccable. ;)

Does there need to be a chapter in the vicinity of "Loggers" and "Software" that deals with putting your station online or would that be included in one of those two chapters?

Are you going to move the paragraph that starts the section about the Vue down with the rest of the info on the Vue?  The site section is good info and appears to stand on it's own well,  It seems logical for it to precede the info on the individual stations.

Looking good!!!
Thanks for the work!!

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Re: I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2013, 06:58:11 PM »
SLOweather   Put something in there about downloading and reading the various manuals BEFORE taking the 'dive', they are a big plus if you take the time to do a little research. Maybe links to the manuals?? An 'educated' buyer can be a 'better' buyer.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2013, 07:05:34 PM by moehoward4 »
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Re: I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2013, 07:17:20 PM »
In the "Loggers" section perhaps there should be a little history of the Davis VP series. Too many people feel Davis is ripping them off with the datalogger whereas in fact it is an option that when introduced, not many people needed/wanted/used.

Perhaps a section on the difference between US and non-US service. I know that Davis service to US customers is fantastic whereas foreign service is local dealer dependent and sometimes spotty.

Great start!

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Re: I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2013, 08:14:42 PM »
I applaud this effort.

I have a couple of suggestions:

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A Pro 2 or 2 Plus console can only receive complete data from 1 ISS, whether it is a Pro 2 or Vue ISS. ISS Temperature only, or temperature/humidity data can be received as extras wireless station data on a console, but everything else will be ignored.

I would spell it out that this means that a solar or UV sensor will not be read by the console when connected to the anemometer transmitter. It is a natural inclination to think that this should work, in the clear in a sunny location. So many people ask this (myself included) that I think that it bears being reinforced.

Also, mention somewhere that VP1 is not compatible with VP2 due to the frequency hopping. Also that "OV" units will not work with US units. I see these on eBay all the time and nobody mentions this.

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Re: I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2013, 11:08:50 PM »
Nice start on a much needed guide, Chris!

- Under the VP2 and Plus sections, you probably need to add some discussion of FARS (none vs daytime vs 24 hour)
- Should the cost comparison of purchasing a Plus vs a VP2 and then the sensors later be mentioned?
- Once you get to software, you might mention the Mac software down in my sticky in the Mac section.

We can add a ton of info, but at the risk of overwhelming the new enthusiast.

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Re: I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2013, 12:25:24 AM »
The Vue is an entry level station. Its communications is wireless between the ISS and the console (900 MHz spread spectrum, not WiFi). Like all Davis wireless stations, range is estimated to be 1,000’ line of sight (LOS). The ISS is an all-in-one unit which can’t be separated into individual sensors.

In a section titled "Customization", or something similar, you could mention that by default the VP2 is the same in regards to the Temp/Hum/Rain sensors, but the rain sensor can be separated from the ISS at a minimal cost. I can provide a link to the needed part and some photos on Flicker.

The buying guide is a great idea!  =D>


Maybe not the best photo, but I can certainly take some more, better, photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/30112397@N06/5006740286/in/set-72157607366155684
This is the part, painted white, needed to hold the Radiation Shield, with the Temp/Hum/SIM http://www.davisnet.com/weather/products/weather_product.asp?pnum=07342.074

EDIT: Better yet, I could create a tutorial for this modification.
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Re: I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2013, 02:59:25 AM »
Excellent start. A couple of comments:

Don't know whether you intend to target this at a US audience only or make it more international also. But for example there is no MAP policy that I know of in Europe, certainly not in the UK, that would be considered illegal; wireless frequencies obviously different almost anywhere outside N America etc.

Only 3 extra temps and 2 extras hums are loggable (or 2+1 if both present)

Guess this will be aimed more at the hobbyist sector, but I just note no mention of the Envoy8X AFAICS and Connect too is obviously coming down the track rapidly. Both of these are interesting products in different ways. 8X is more of a specialist part perhaps and has much less software compatibility, but its capabilities are impressive. And even amongst hobbyists, there's a significant call for systems at eg remote cabins and the like, where something like Connect will be ideal, provided their budget will bear the cost.
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Re: I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2013, 06:13:35 AM »
I'm adding a listing by part numbers, of all the Davis stations as well as what comes standard and what's available as an option. Although I will seriously have a hard time doing better than the following link.
http://www.convectivedevelopment.com/davis/davis-weather-stations.php#ourchart

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Re: I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2013, 04:02:19 PM »
Would the maintenance section include known issues i.e. Supercap problems or would this be inappropriate for a buyers guide?
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Re: I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2013, 04:19:38 PM »
Would the maintenance section include known issues i.e. Supercap problems or would this be inappropriate for a buyers guide?

I think we could do a maintenance sticky, too.

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Re: I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2013, 09:09:14 PM »
What do you need to connect these units to a computer/internet....?

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Re: I'm writing a Davis Station Buying Guide for a sticky
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2013, 12:36:10 AM »
Would the maintenance section include known issues i.e. Supercap problems or would this be inappropriate for a buyers guide?

I think we could do a maintenance sticky, too.

See, right now I'm in the process of doing some gathering for purchasing a Davis setup.  I currently have a 6 year old Honeywell/Irox/Mebus/Nexus TE923 and have come into some 'disposable' income.

What I currently run is a little home website with wview and the SarasotaWX templates (as well as the stock wview templates) running on a dedicated Linux box.  I've been thinking about doing away with the 150W the Linux box takes up and getting a Sheevaplug with meteohub.  I'm also currently transmitting my data to CWOP (CW4535) and WU (KOKTULSA13).  I want to keep this setup, but transition over to the SheevaPlug/Meteohub combo.  I know both the TE923 AND the VP2 support this (as well as the Vue, but I'll explain myself a little later).

I also have a copy of WeatherDisplay, but had so many issues keeping it running on the Windows box (not Brian's fault; I need to purpose a new box) that I shifted to wview last May.  So my software options are not limited by any stretch of the imagination.  I currently have the old WD box running WeatherMessage and that alone.

I've been shopping for about a week (at archers as someone suggested) and came up with this list so far.

Davis 6153 - Wireless Pro2 w/24 hr fan aspirated shield
Davis 6510USB - Datalogger/Weatherlink (USB)
Davis 6332 - Anemometer Transmitter Kit

Item 3, because 40 ft of cable to separate the ISS from the anemometer is too restrictive.  I know alot of people like the Vue, and I like its price point, but the inability to separate the anemometer from the unit was a deal-breaker.

Will the above suit my needs?

Please ask if you need more info.

Thanks, and sorry if this is a little sidetracking...
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