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Offline Jim_S

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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2019, 03:49:53 PM »
Since I received it in new condition, your remark is incorrect.  I was looking for suggestions and again, this should not have been available for purchase, she bought from someone on ebay in August last year, gave to me on Christmas.

Yikes. That was months after the Smart Hub announcement and after the new Access was available for sale.

It's always a risk buying from eBay. Anyone can sell anything. In this case it looks like you were taken advantage of by an unscrupulous seller. Your compliant should be with the eBay seller not Acurite (and I'm definitely not an Acurite "fan boy"). Like many here I was disappointed in how they handled the SH to Access switch over and will likely look elsewhere for my next station. That said I have a bunch of existing Acurite stuff I wanted to see online and buy the Access made the most (and least expensive) sense so that's what I did.

So is Acurite selling these units to the wholesale market and then absolving themselves of warranty responsibility or is there another explanation for the 250+ new 5-in-1 pws's on ebay?
There is a lot of grey market stuff on eBay in all areas. I'd like to know where it comes from too but I don't think it's necessarily fair to blame the manufacturer.

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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2019, 03:51:24 PM »
https://www.ebay.com/gds/Does-a-Manufacturers-Warranty-Mean-Anything-on-EBay-/10000000178951480/g.html


Read The Ebay Listing Carefully When It Comes To Coverage
The key "take away" for you as a reader of this Guide should be that much more often than not, you will see a disclaimer in such a warranty that says it is "limited to the original retail purchaser", or words to that effect.  So on ebay, unless you are buying directly from the manufacturer, or from a seller that claims to be (and actually is) a factory-authorized retail seller, you as an ebay buyer are not the "original retail purchaser" -- even if what you are buying is brand new, sealed, in the original box.  So unless you get some kind of receipt that you are the "original retail purchaser" as the maker of the item defines that phrase (and the maker honors that receipt as a genuine one), you don't have a warranty or guarantee other than whatever the ebay seller, and ebay, provide to you.
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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2019, 05:15:31 PM »
No accusation(s) made. Just a question asked.

 
So is Acurite selling these units to the wholesale market and then absolving themselves of warranty responsibility or is there another explanation for the 250+ new 5-in-1 pws's on ebay?

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Care to make up any other unfounded accusations?

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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2019, 08:36:20 AM »
Acurite just made good on their discount.  So those of you who have the Atlas system is it reliable? Do you have pros and cons?

I have read so many reviews on Acurite and Ambient, my head is about to explode...

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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2019, 07:53:00 AM »
Lighty269 I was where you were at earlier this winter.  Wanted the Atlas for features/price value but very concerned about the negative reviews.  There were several good amazon reviews in Feb so I thought maybe the quality problems are behind them and then a killer price deal was on Amazon for the Atlas 01008M package (Access only, no display) at $149 so I bought it.

Very happy to say the out-of-box setup was flawless and easy.  Has been running now for 1-month with no issues at all.  So, at this time I give Acurite Atlas 2-thums up.   [tup] [tup]

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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2019, 12:28:34 AM »
1) The Atlas has a solar powered fan that circulates air over the temp/humidity sensors. Atlas temperature and humidity are more accurate than the Ambient. If the solar panels get dirty and/or the fan begins to wear out, temperature and humidity will be less accurate. The Ambient does not have a fan. The solar panel powers the sensors when there is light and the batteries power the sensor when there is no light. Atlas sensor array needs four batteries. Ambient sensor array only needs two batteries.

2) Every 10 seconds, the Atlas sensor array samples the wind speed and other data and then transmits it. The Ambient samples the wind speed every second and then transmits it with the other data every 16 seconds. If there is a one-time 5 second 50mph wind gust, the Ambient will record it. The Atlas will miss it.

3) Ambient display can communicate with the internet. The Atlas display can not communicate with the internet, even if you have the Access. Ambient could add NWS forecast, radar, etc to the WS2000 display. WS2000 will automatically update the time for Daylight Saving Time.

4) Ambient allows customers to update the firmware. Ambient could add new features and/or fix existing problems. Acurite does not allow customers to update the firmware.

5) Some people do not like that the Atlas shows a trailing 24hr rainfall reading. Ambient shows a midnight-to-midnight rainfall reading.

6) Atlas has a lightning detector option. Ambient could add a lightning detector to the WS2000. Lightning detectors are unreliable because they pickup interference. It is like pouring water into the rain gauge while it is raining. How much did it rain? How many lightning strikes are real?

7) Ambient WS2000 can display readings from eight indoor temp/humidity sensors.

8 ) Ambient WS2000 indoor temp/humidity sensor is separate from the display. You can place the sensor in a different location.

9) Ambient display has buttons. Atlas has a touch screen. One of the problems with a touch screen is fingerprints.

10) Atlas has a nicer today's/yesterday's/monthly records screens. The records screen on the Ambient WS200 does not look as nice. Ambient could release a firmware update.


I prefer the Ambient WS2000. It would be great if Ambient released an upgraded sensor array for the WS2000. Why replace the display? It would have more accurate sensors and higher wind speed. A separate wind vane and anemometer would be nice. A dynamic transmit speed based on weather conditions would be cool. The sensor array could transmit faster during a storm because weather conditions are changing quickly. It could transmit slower on a clear day in order to save power, because weather condition are not changing very much.
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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2019, 01:35:00 AM »
2) Every 10 seconds, the Atlas sensor array samples the wind speed and other data and then transmits it. The Ambient samples the wind speed every second and then transmits it with the other data every 16 seconds. If there is a one-time 5 second 50mph wind gust, the Ambient will record it. The Atlas will miss it.

The Atlas reports wind speed every 10 seconds.  That's not the sampling rate, which is much smaller.  Even a 5n1 has a sample window of 4 seconds.

The Atlas would certainly not miss your 5-second 50mph wind gust.

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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2019, 01:38:55 AM »
1) The Atlas has a solar powered fan that circulates air over the temp/humidity sensors. Atlas temperature and humidity are more accurate than the Ambient. If the solar panels get dirty and/or the fan begins to wear out, temperature and humidity will be less accurate. The Ambient does not have a fan. The solar panel powers the sensors when there is light and the batteries power the sensor when there is no light. Atlas sensor array needs four batteries. Ambient sensor array only needs two batteries.

Yes, the Atlas has fan aspiration.  That's a big plus over systems without.  For accurate temperatures, you need fan aspiration.

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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2019, 01:43:11 AM »
3) Ambient display can communicate with the internet. The Atlas display can not communicate with the internet, even if you have the Access. Ambient could add NWS forecast, radar, etc to the WS2000 display. WS2000 will automatically update the time for Daylight Saving Time.

Well, I guess Ambient COULD, but is it?  Some of Acurite's newer WiFi displays already have DarkSky forecasts from the internet now.  You should expect to see that soon in future Atlas displays.

DST updates are pretty standard, and the Atlas does have it.

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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2019, 01:47:53 AM »
6) Atlas has a lightning detector option. Ambient could add a lightning detector to the WS2000. Lightning detectors are unreliable because they pickup interference. It is like pouring water into the rain gauge while it is raining. How much did it rain? How many lightning strikes are real?

Yet they do work and provide useful information.  I don't pick up false strikes on my Atlas.  When a storm rolls through, I can easily see how the intensity of the storm changes with time.

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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2019, 01:55:30 AM »
9) Ambient display has buttons. Atlas has a touch screen. One of the problems with a touch screen is fingerprints.

Really?  What of all those SmartPhones, tablets, and other touch devices out there?

This is a non-problem.

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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2019, 03:03:55 AM »
2) Every 10 seconds, the Atlas sensor array samples the wind speed and other data and then transmits it. The Ambient samples the wind speed every second and then transmits it with the other data every 16 seconds. If there is a one-time 5 second 50mph wind gust, the Ambient will record it. The Atlas will miss it.

The Atlas reports wind speed every 10 seconds.  That's not the sampling rate, which is much smaller.  Even a 5n1 has a sample window of 4 seconds.

The Atlas would certainly not miss your 5-second 50mph wind gust.

A while ago, I asked about it on Amazon.

"Does the atlas sensor sample the peak wind speed every second and then transmit the data after 10 seconds? Will it record a 3 second wind gust?"

"The Atlas display will provide a wind speed reading every 10 seconds. This does not store the data between the 10-second interval. If you have any other questions, please contact the AcuRite Support Team via Live Chat, we are happy to assist you. Thank you.

Have a great day,
Rachell
AcuRite Support Team"

https://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx4NYNI64U78JN/ref=ask_dp_lsw_al_hza?asin=B074XKB239


Q: In regards to wind gusts. Is the sampling interval 10 sec or is the highest speed in the interval captured and reported every 10 seconds?
A: Hello John,
The Atlas display does not show Wind Gusts however, the wind peak on the Atlas display is the highest wind speed recorded over the past 60 minutes at 10 second intervals. If you have any other questions, please contact the AcuRite Support Team via Live Chat, we are happy to assist you. Thank you.

Have a great day,
Rachell
AcuRite Support Team
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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #37 on: May 05, 2019, 03:20:33 AM »
9) Ambient display has buttons. Atlas has a touch screen. One of the problems with a touch screen is fingerprints.

Really?  What of all those SmartPhones, tablets, and other touch devices out there?

This is a non-problem.

Those high end devices have a oleophobic coating(anti-fingerprint). Does the Atlas display have a oleophobic coating? Some people like buttons, while other people like a touchscreen. Each have advantages and disadvantages. Buttons can wear out.

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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #38 on: May 05, 2019, 03:32:26 AM »
6) Atlas has a lightning detector option. Ambient could add a lightning detector to the WS2000. Lightning detectors are unreliable because they pickup interference. It is like pouring water into the rain gauge while it is raining. How much did it rain? How many lightning strikes are real?

Yet they do work and provide useful information.  I don't pick up false strikes on my Atlas.  When a storm rolls through, I can easily see how the intensity of the storm changes with time.

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Lightning detectors have advantages and disadvantages. Options are always good. It is best to let the customer decide whether something is useful or not. They created an air quality sensor addon. They plan to release other addon sensors. Maybe, Ambient will sell a lightning detector addon.

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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2019, 03:33:12 AM »
2) Every 10 seconds, the Atlas sensor array samples the wind speed and other data and then transmits it. The Ambient samples the wind speed every second and then transmits it with the other data every 16 seconds. If there is a one-time 5 second 50mph wind gust, the Ambient will record it. The Atlas will miss it.

The Atlas reports wind speed every 10 seconds.  That's not the sampling rate, which is much smaller.  Even a 5n1 has a sample window of 4 seconds.

The Atlas would certainly not miss your 5-second 50mph wind gust.

A while ago, I asked about it on Amazon.

"Does the atlas sensor sample the peak wind speed every second and then transmit the data after 10 seconds? Will it record a 3 second wind gust?"

"The Atlas display will provide a wind speed reading every 10 seconds. This does not store the data between the 10-second interval. If you have any other questions, please contact the AcuRite Support Team via Live Chat, we are happy to assist you. Thank you.

Have a great day,
Rachell
AcuRite Support Team"

https://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx4NYNI64U78JN/ref=ask_dp_lsw_al_hza?asin=B074XKB239


Q: In regards to wind gusts. Is the sampling interval 10 sec or is the highest speed in the interval captured and reported every 10 seconds?
A: Hello John,
The Atlas display does not show Wind Gusts however, the wind peak on the Atlas display is the highest wind speed recorded over the past 60 minutes at 10 second intervals. If you have any other questions, please contact the AcuRite Support Team via Live Chat, we are happy to assist you. Thank you.

Have a great day,
Rachell
AcuRite Support Team

Which is correct.  The display does not store anything other than 10-second data, because that is all the sensor is sending.

In the case of your 3-second gust, however, it would report that as the highest speed recorded over the 10-second reporting window.

The support person clearly didn't understand what you were asking.


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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2019, 03:34:31 AM »
9) Ambient display has buttons. Atlas has a touch screen. One of the problems with a touch screen is fingerprints.

Really?  What of all those SmartPhones, tablets, and other touch devices out there?

This is a non-problem.

Those high end devices have a oleophobic coating(anti-fingerprint). Does the Atlas display have a oleophobic coating? Some people like buttons, while other people like a touchscreen. Each have advantages and disadvantages. Buttons can wear out.

Yep.

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« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2019, 03:57:51 AM »
3) Ambient display can communicate with the internet. The Atlas display can not communicate with the internet, even if you have the Access. Ambient could add NWS forecast, radar, etc to the WS2000 display. WS2000 will automatically update the time for Daylight Saving Time.

Well, I guess Ambient COULD, but is it?  Some of Acurite's newer WiFi displays already have DarkSky forecasts from the internet now.  You should expect to see that soon in future Atlas displays.

DST updates are pretty standard, and the Atlas does have it.

It is impossible for the Atlas display to receive data from the internet. I do not work for Acurite and I could be wrong. It is possible for the WS2000 to receive data from the internet. Will Ambient add forecasts to the WS2000? That is an unknown. If there is enough customer demand, I assume they would add it. People wanted "Rain Rate" on the WS2000 display and Ambient released a firmware update that added this feature. It is possible, but it is not guaranteed. If someone wanted internet forecasts, he/she would have to replace their Atlas display.

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« Reply #42 on: May 05, 2019, 04:13:50 AM »
3) Ambient display can communicate with the internet. The Atlas display can not communicate with the internet, even if you have the Access. Ambient could add NWS forecast, radar, etc to the WS2000 display. WS2000 will automatically update the time for Daylight Saving Time.

Well, I guess Ambient COULD, but is it?  Some of Acurite's newer WiFi displays already have DarkSky forecasts from the internet now.  You should expect to see that soon in future Atlas displays.

DST updates are pretty standard, and the Atlas does have it.

It is impossible for the Atlas display to receive data from the internet. I do not work for Acurite and I could be wrong. It is possible for the WS2000 to receive data from the internet. Will Ambient add forecasts to the WS2000? That is an unknown. If there is enough customer demand, I assume they would add it. People wanted "Rain Rate" on the WS2000 display and Ambient released a firmware update that added this feature. It is possible, but it is not guaranteed. If someone wanted internet forecasts, he/she would have to replace their Atlas display.

Right.  Ambient isn't doing that, and it's unknown if they will do that.

Just the same, Acurite might offer customer firmware upgrades through the USB port hidden behind a panel at the bottom of the display.  Then again, they might not.

However, if Acurite does as they have done with the 5n1, you should soon see internet-enabled displays for the Atlas.
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Re: WS-2000, WS2902 or Acurite Atlas...need advice please.
« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2019, 12:22:00 PM »
My 0.02$. My use is a bit different than the typical home user. Iím a storm chaser and purchased the Atlas back in November and have already been on a number of chases and the Atlas performs like a champion. Everything is accurate and Iíve never had connectivity issues.

Last week we got close to the Wichita Falls tornado after it crossed Fromm Texas to Oklahoma. The Atlasís wind speed was critical in helping us avoid a potentially deadly situation. Iíve gotten very good support from the manufacturer. Iíd definitely buy the Atlas again.
I live in an apartment and for the moment am not a home weather watcher.

I am a storm chaser.