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Title: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: ConligWX on January 01, 2019, 12:45:37 PM
Firmware 9.2 / 2018-12-31
https://forum.blitzortung.org/showthread.php?tid=2584&pid=18199#pid18199
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: W0BTU on January 01, 2019, 12:47:41 PM
What is "new: prepared for sending noise signals to server"? Sounds like something future.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: ConligWX on January 01, 2019, 12:52:49 PM
Indeed. Does sound like a new feature that will be coming soon

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Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: miraculon on January 01, 2019, 04:12:46 PM
Is this issue fixed by v9.2?

https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=35025.0 (https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=35025.0)

Greg H.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: ConligWX on January 01, 2019, 04:26:56 PM
I've not had the issue on my Red system so far even on 9.1

I take it you have reset your system to factory defaults?

Btw I do reboot my red system every night.

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Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: miraculon on January 02, 2019, 08:43:36 AM
I've not had the issue on my Red system so far even on 9.1

I take it you have reset your system to factory defaults?

Btw I do reboot my red system every night.

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I never did a default reset. The issue tracked completely with 9.1 and was fine with 8.4. I can give it a try, but I will have to record all of my settings before I do a full reset.

Greg H.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: miraculon on January 02, 2019, 11:30:29 AM
The web interface issue is not fixed. I am now getting a lot of web resets when I attempt to re-flash and can't complete the reversion of the code back to 8.4.  :evil:

Greg H.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: ConligWX on January 02, 2019, 12:04:18 PM
Try a different browser

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Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: miraculon on January 02, 2019, 01:06:49 PM
Try a different browser

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I did. I tried Edge (IE) and Chrome. Same thing.
It might be related to the fact that I am running an AS3935 on that controller, but there is no lightning in CONUS today. That is the main difference between my Blue and Red stations. I have no problem with the Blue running any of the 9.x firmware.

Greg H.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: ConligWX on January 02, 2019, 01:53:47 PM
I take it you've posted on the blitzortung forums? Might be worth asking Tobi if you already haven't.

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Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on January 02, 2019, 04:53:37 PM
Greg....  first of all, 9.1 on all three of my systems virtually solved the "GUI" issues... not completely, but mostly-say 99%... Now, they did appear moire frequently with 9.2... having said that: there are a couple of things with 9.2 that may be causing it. but at least try to get 9.1 installed if possible.

Do a cold restart (remove power) ... after boots up, 1PPS etc... see if can install FW 9.1.   Make sure get verified from server.
Now, the memory available on Discovery Board is about exhausted, which is why JQuery etc is loading from web, rather than local... we need to get everybody to newest Firmware, so try to go and stay at 9.1 of possible  9.2 is next stage to process more impulse / controller data parameters... and there are a couple of 'errors' in the 9.2 GUI display currently, ... no controller guide, couple of missing / incorrect links.   Also we are probably serving to an LMO IBOD server, not a BT server, at least for a short time...
There are some functions, parameter options, etc, which are 'now included' but not operational as yet, that may also be part of the slow, or incomplete GUI, ... probably 9.2 should have been "BETA", but I think they're rushing to check some of the new implementation and processing prior to next step...
The ASs3935 may be part of the 'memory' problem local... note that support for AS3935 is basically non-exsistent, was deprecated and removed from blue, and I suspect that will be eventually removed from the RED FW, in order to use the Discovery's resources purely for BT.  I've Joe's old 791 with AS3935 installed, and removing it eased the GUI issue with the older firmware, for the most part...
Now, I had upgraded RED 689 to 9.2 had a few GUI issues initially, and periodically... but that may be due to the system calling for those 'missing parts' mentioned above... had no problem reverting 689 back to 9.1.

It took complete browser cache cleaning and several 'refreshes' to have 9.2 completely 'settle in', also, for some reason, I have more 'consistent' display all three systems coming in from WAN rather than LAN.. go figure.... Default MTU is 1480, and I raised mine to 1500 couple of years ago, which appeared to ease the GUI issues on the older firmware... haven't reverted to 1480 but I might try that.

System BLUE 1439 has similar 'missing' page info, etc as above, but seems satisfactory at the moment, again took browser cache cleaning and a few refreshes to 'settle in'...

OH... also turn off LCD Display... heh..
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: miraculon on January 02, 2019, 05:10:21 PM
Thanks, Cutty.

I just reverted to v9.1 per your advice. I was able to recover and load v9.2 by trudging out to the garage and pushing the reset button. Once I had the GUI back, I was able to flash to 9.2. I am going to run 9.1 for a while.

When I was restoring the settings I noticed that the "i" info icon near the "Auto Amplitude Filter"  mentions that "the controller has to check every signal..." which I decided was a MIPS consumer. After disabling this filter, it behaved much better.

I'll leave the AAF off and stay at 9.1 for a while.

Sounds like I need to start looking around for a Raspberry Pi app for the AS3935 and migrate it over. I'll miss it when/if it goes away from BT.  :-(

ConligWX, I did post on the BTforum shortly after v9.1 was released and I started seeing problems with it.

I did look at STM website for newer versions of the "Discover board" hoping for more RAM, etc., but alas, they are not pin compatible and quite different.

Greg H.


Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: miraculon on January 02, 2019, 05:16:17 PM
Quote
OH... also turn off LCD Display... heh..

Just did this too....

Greg
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: W0BTU on January 02, 2019, 05:22:58 PM
Indeed. Does sound like a new feature that will be coming soon

I am guessing that after the software on the European servers is changed, it will eliminate (or nearly so) RFI such as is emitted by solar chargers (on one single frequency)?

Until then, I think I have no need to upgrade from 9.1 to 9.2.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on January 02, 2019, 06:33:26 PM
Indeed. Does sound like a new feature that will be coming soon

I am guessing that after the software on the European servers is changed, it will eliminate (or nearly so) RFI such as is emitted by solar chargers (on one single frequency)?

Until then, I think I have no need to upgrade from 9.1 to 9.2.

Now, how could an upgrade on the server eliminate local noise?   :twisted:

Thoughts:   :-"
This likely is more on the order of baseline noise level samples (rather than 'interpolated'),  and below threshold spikes  to

? improve and correlate 'trigger level' compared to 'noise level', TOA.. which is currently "Twice Noise Level" or "reject" signal.

? better evaluation of 'zero crossings',  TOGA

? improving the 'interference' modes of operation, which up to now has been 'arbitrary',  preset.. not 'situational'...

?  improve automatic' modes efficiency, which up to know have been 'arbitrary, purely 'BETA', and have NEVER worked to full potential.

? DSP proposition... which may help a controller 'filter' some frequency.

?? "fingerprint' and ignore known consistent noise burst signals from any specific station... this one is a pure guess...

To function and be influenced  by server comm, noise would have to be sent periodically, even if below threshold... which is not currently done.

In the meantime, they can't evaluate it if folks don't have it loaded.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: sacreyweather on January 02, 2019, 07:05:02 PM
Updated to 9.2 with no issues so far.

John
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: W0BTU on January 02, 2019, 07:09:31 PM
Okay, Mike. I'll update.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: W0BTU on January 02, 2019, 07:21:04 PM
Indeed. Does sound like a new feature that will be coming soon

I am guessing that after the software on the European servers is changed, it will eliminate (or nearly so) RFI such as is emitted by solar chargers (on one single frequency)?

Until then, I think I have no need to upgrade from 9.1 to 9.2.

Now, how could an upgrade on the server eliminate local noise?   :twisted:

Thoughts:   :-"
This likely is more on the order of baseline noise level samples (rather than 'interpolated'),  and below threshold spikes  to

? improve and correlate 'trigger level' compared to 'noise level', TOA.. which is currently "Twice Noise Level" or "reject" signal.

? better evaluation of 'zero crossings',  TOGA

? improving the 'interference' modes of operation, which up to now has been 'arbitrary',  preset.. not 'situational'...

?  improve automatic' modes efficiency, which up to know have been 'arbitrary, purely 'BETA', and have NEVER worked to full potential.

? DSP proposition... which may help a controller 'filter' some frequency.

?? "fingerprint' and ignore known consistent noise burst signals from any specific station... this one is a pure guess...

To function and be influenced  by server comm, noise would have to be sent periodically, even if below threshold... which is not currently done.

In the meantime, they can't evaluate it if folks don't have it loaded.

Respectfully, how were we supposed to know these things?  :cry:  :grin:
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on January 02, 2019, 08:56:54 PM
Respectfully, I don't KNOW 'em.... as I said, thoughts. . .   :-k the search for best quality data began seriously with the implementation of red, and the E field add on to RED ... now that the 'receivers' are basically 'proven'... and the servers powerful enough for the next steps in that area ... .
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: W0BTU on January 02, 2019, 09:48:09 PM
... and the servers powerful enough for the next steps in that area ... .

Ah yes.

When I said "I am  guessing that after the software on the European servers is changed", I meant new algorithms there too.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: W0BTU on January 03, 2019, 12:28:03 AM
I noticed that the GPS accuracy seemed to improve on both my stations.

What does "mean" and the other two numbers mean? They're new in the GPS section of the status page.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on January 03, 2019, 06:23:07 AM
I noticed that the GPS accuracy seemed to improve on both my stations.

What does "mean" and the other two numbers mean? They're new in the GPS section of the status page.
That is a representation 1pps accuracy
"Mean"  is the average deviation in time of the 1PPS sync with GPS clocked time

to obtain 'mean' a bunch of sample 'deviations' are looked at.

"Mean Absolute" would be the 'distance' or Max Time deviations within that set of points... how far apart they are.
So a 'mean" accuracy of 2.5ns might result from a series of samples showing a difference of 5ns, 5ns, 10ns,-10ns  with a "Mean Absolute" of "20ns" (the +10ns and -10ns 'distance' =20ns) 

Somebody with more mathematics/statistic experience needs to check me on that....
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: W0BTU on January 03, 2019, 11:55:14 AM
FWIW, the mean on both my stations are between 0.0 and 0.3 ns.
Current jumps above and below 0 ns.
Mean absolute is 7.9 ns on 1977,  and 19.7 ns on 2294 (currently).

Isn't 1977 as good as Galileo accuracy?
No. The Mean Absolute is the same as the number displayed in 9.1, and it isn't any more accurate. The blue dots and lines in the GPS map that shows when I logged in verifies that.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: miraculon on January 03, 2019, 01:55:37 PM
So far GUI on RED is OK on v9.1.
To recap the changes:

I suspect that v9.2 might be OK, without the already noted issues. I think that the disabling of the Auto Amplitude Filter was the most effective, but others certainly helped.

Greg H.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: W0BTU on January 04, 2019, 07:04:45 PM
No issues with 9.2 on my Blue 19.3 and 19.5, FWIW.

Just the Controller guide is blank. I suppose that is to save RAM. Perhaps that will link to a website soon.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: gwwilk on January 05, 2019, 09:50:58 AM
9.2 ran flawlessly on my System RED for a few days.  This morning the GUI crashed when I tried to load another page after the Status Page.

I'm not sure what the problem was, but I back-leveled to 8.4 and set up a daily reboot for the wee hours of the morning. Then I reloaded 9.2 which I hope will run OK with the daily reboot.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: AF6GL on January 06, 2019, 12:25:12 AM
Now if I only had the hardware to install it on.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: miraculon on January 06, 2019, 08:23:19 AM
So far GUI on RED is OK on v9.1.
To recap the changes:
  • Disabled "Auto Amplitude Filter"
  • Enabled LEDs off when LCD off
  • Reverted to v9.1
  • Display: Auto off after 60 sec.

I suspect that v9.2 might be OK, without the already noted issues. I think that the disabling of the Auto Amplitude Filter was the most effective, but others certainly helped.

Greg H.

Although with the countermeasures mentioned, it seemed better, this morning it was back to its old tricks again with a monochrome header only GUI display. Back to v8.4, which is where it is going to stay.

I had some severe unrelated problems with an IP address conflict that was wreaking havoc on my LAN. This was the cause of my inability to re-flash. That was an unholy combination of a power outage, new smart TV and DHCP. Got that sorted.

Greg H.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: W0BTU on January 09, 2019, 02:14:51 PM
I just noticed that remote rebooting no longer functions on my Blue 19.3 station. Not even after powering down for 45+ seconds. Maybe related to 19.2? Can someone please try it and let us know if it works for you?

EDIT: Same thing on my Blue 19.5 station!  ](*,)

Also posted at https://forum.blitzortung.org/showthread.php?tid=2584&pid=20090#pid20090
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: W0BTU on January 10, 2019, 12:07:44 AM
Too buggy for me. Reverted to 9.1 until it's fixed.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: gwwilk on January 10, 2019, 08:58:52 AM
Firmware V. 9.2 still chugging along here with the daily reboot in the wee hours of each morning.

The reboot is set via a Setting in the firmware.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on January 10, 2019, 01:49:22 PM

The reboot is set via a Setting in the firmware.
Jerry, we're talking about this, not the "daily" reboot:
(https://sferics.us/misc/rem.jpg)
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: gwwilk on January 10, 2019, 01:57:46 PM
I'm talking about this:
(https://www.gwwilkins.org/temp-images/Blitzortung-Firmware-Reboot-2019-01-10-1.png)
Don't forget to 'Save' this change as reminded at the top of the Settings Page.
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: Cutty Sark Sailor on January 10, 2019, 02:16:12 PM
I know...
We're talking about the 'tools' page, reboot button not working...the new firmware fixed a remote reboot with
"http://     controllerURL/     index.cgi?action=do_reboot"
but the GUI reboot cmd button now does not reboot the controller"
Title: Re: 9.2 Firmware Released
Post by: gwwilk on January 10, 2019, 02:33:08 PM
I know...
We're talking about the 'tools' page, reboot button not working...the new firmware fixed a remote reboot with
"http://     controllerURL/     index.cgi?action=do_reboot"
but the GUI reboot cmd button now does not reboot the controller"
Sorry for misunderstanding the problem.  I just tried the 'Reboot' button but it appeared to simply log me off and the GUI was back up after a couple of seconds.  Quickest RED reboot ever... :shock: