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Title: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on September 18, 2018, 11:57:12 AM
PURPOSE: The purpose of this thread is to share about websites, apps, or services where registered CWOP stations (and MADIS) data show up. Not interested in other places where you can publish your data via other software or hardware. The purpose is to share of services that pick up MADIS stations. It might be interesting to learn what websites, apps or services pickup your MADIS data.

BACKGROUND: When you confirm your registration for your CWOP station within a few days the data starts to get ingested by NOAA's MADIS. From there it can be picked up by a number of weather services. Most of us that publish to CWOP are probably going to be familiar with the more popular and basically known places to see your data.

THE BASICS: When you first begin to publish your registered CWOP weather station data these are the basic known places to see your data:



ADDITIONAL WEBSITES THAT PUBLISH CWOP or MADIS DATA (Updated regularly from follow-up posts in this thread)
Read follow-up posts to learn tips on how to use these. Because some of these don't default to showing you CWOP/MADIS. This is just a summary list that I'll update as new posts show up with more places in this thread. UPDATED...



PC Software and MOBILE APPS THAT DISPLAY CWOP/MADIS STATIONS
Read follow-up posts to learn tips on how to use these. Because some don't default to showing you CWOP/MADIS. This is just a summary list.



TO BE CONTINUED... Please add to this thread if you know of another place where your MADIS data shows up or where it is used.
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on September 18, 2018, 11:57:22 AM
Here are some other places (with usage details) to see your MADIS weather stations data…



Anyone know any other places where CWOP or MADIS data shows up?...please add them to this list.

Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on September 23, 2018, 05:49:41 PM
Okay I found out where the NWS Weather Conditions link comes from (sort of). You need to be in the NWS Map. Ensure you have the correct map settings first. Then click on the station, followed by clicking on 3 day or 7 day historical observations link for that station.



You do need to have the correct map settings to see your station. Go to the Overlays section, then select the Observations tab, then ensure you turn on the check box for "Surface Observations." Lastly make sure below that the the network Provider type drop down box is set to All Networks or APRSWXNET/CWOP. I like leaving it set to All Networks so I can see and compare local airports at the same time.

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This screenshot below shows you where you pull up the historical observations (mentioned in earlier post) after clicking on a station. Even though it looks the same as what was mentioned in the prior post, the resulting link is different. So I still don't really know how to land on the prior posts page directly. You can manipulate the resulting URL to customize the amount of data and graphs that show up (for either one).

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Anyone know any other places where CWOP or MADIS data shows up?...please add them to this list.

Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on September 24, 2018, 04:42:28 PM
Yep found another one...



Anyone know any other places where CWOP or MADIS data shows up?...please add them to this list.
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on September 25, 2018, 12:29:32 PM
I suppose we shouldn't limit ourselves to just websites. Mobile apps are just as helpful and popular for accessing weather data.



Follow these steps to get NOAA Weather Unofficial to show you your favorite MADIS station:
1 - Tap the Menu (three dots) button on the top right corner.
2 - Select Tab Options from the drop down list.
3 - Put Check Mark on "Use Alternate (larger) Station List."
4 - Tap top left corner of app where the Logo is (yep that is a button.)
5 - Tap the Map icon (not the + Add Location.)
6 - Tap the center of the place where you want to find a station (doesn't have to be precise.)
7 - Wait for the "Loading..." to stop.
8 - Tap the banner above your red marker showing you the GPS location for that stop.
9 - Tap on the newly listed saved location.
10 - Wait for "Downloading Forecast..." to finish (1 or 2 secs.)
11 - Tap on Current Observations.
12 - Tap on More Stations (or click on the Map icon to select nearest station.)
13 - Wait for station data to load (Ignore N/A when it is done then go to next step.)
14 - Select the station you want from the resulting list (even if it shows N/A with no current data.)
15 - Tap on Refresh (circular arrows) on the top of the app bar.
16 - Station data should now be current (if the station is live and reporting.)
17 - Last weather data with Updated time stamp and station ID should be showing.
18 - Scroll down for future forecast for this location.
19 - Don't forget to check out the forecast graphs! Tap on graph icon at the bottom of the Hourly tab, then slide your finger on the graph.

This is a very nicely done app. More powerful than it seems at first glance.

Anyone know any other places where CWOP or MADIS data shows up?...please add them to this list. ...anyone???....is there an echo here?

Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: ValentineWeather on September 25, 2018, 02:05:33 PM
You covered all the places I'm familiar with.  ;)
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on September 28, 2018, 08:30:25 AM
You covered all the places I'm familiar with.  ;)

Well there is more. I'm holding out on ya'.   :wink:  I'm waiting to see if anyone has anything to share and giving others a chance to participate. Yet I know I can't possibly know all of them as I'm still finding new places. I hope this encourages others to search and see what they find.
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on October 28, 2018, 02:16:02 PM
Well I waited a month to see if anyone would spend some time and see what they uncovered....and we have nothing.
So I'll post the last of what I was holding on to. Yet still I know our CWOP data just has to be in yet more places.


Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: kan6526 on December 03, 2018, 05:32:32 AM
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=FW1811&last=24&units=metric  <--- it's OK

https://weather.gladstonefamily.net/cgi-bin/wxqchart.pl?site=fw1811   <---- The site id FW1811 is invalid or no data has been seen.

what can I do ?
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on December 03, 2018, 10:39:07 AM
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/wxpage.cgi?call=FW1811&last=24&units=metric  <--- it's OK

https://weather.gladstonefamily.net/cgi-bin/wxqchart.pl?site=fw1811   <---- The site id FW1811 is invalid or no data has been seen.

what can I do ?

EDITED:
Gladstonefamily.net [analysis] is only for registered US and Canada CWOP stations that get ingested by The National Weather Service's MADIS. There is nothing you can do if you don't live in the USA or Canada. You'll need to register to show up on gladstonefamily.net.

Most of the sites and services mentioned in this thread will not work for you except aprs.fi and aprsdirect.com (and gladstonefamily.net without analysis data). This is because most of the sites and services mentioned in this thread are picking up only CWOP stations that report into MADIS.

Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: kan6526 on December 03, 2018, 10:56:42 AM
https://weather.gladstonefamily.net/cgi-bin/wxqchart.pl?site=dw5432
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on December 03, 2018, 10:58:54 AM
I misspoke. Gladstonefamily will work but you will not get analysis data [red line on graphs]. Your station is not yet registered with Gladstonefamily.net.  It takes about a week to show up on Gladstonefamily. Probably by Wednesday this week.
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: kan6526 on December 13, 2018, 10:31:10 AM
my CWOP
https://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/F1811

other's one
https://www.windy.com/station/madis-D5432?pressure,2018-12-15-00,24.557,120.863,8,i:pressure

What can I do to be like this? 
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on December 14, 2018, 04:47:11 PM
my CWOP
https://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/F1811

other's one
https://www.windy.com/station/madis-D5432?pressure,2018-12-15-00,24.557,120.863,8,i:pressure

What can I do to be like this?

I don't think that there is anything you can do, but wait. Your station only has been up for 11 days reporting to CWOP. The problem could be just that Windy.com has not yet refreshed their database to pick up new stations. Windy.com does not have any set procedure for getting your station to show up. They just do what they do, and if you report to CWOP/MADIS you show up automatically. But I'm not sure how long it takes for them to update their database.

On the other hand it is possible that you may never show up. The reason I say that you may never show up is because Windy.com shows MADIS stations and your station being that it is in Taiwan is not really being ingested by MADIS. It is rather curious how you have shared a link to another station that is in Taiwan and is showing up on Windy.com. That station is not on MADIS yet it is being picked up somehow. Give it a few weeks and see what happens.
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: miraculon on December 15, 2018, 08:25:35 AM
Since nobody else posted it, there is GRLevel3. The AllisonHouse CWOP option plots the stations* on the map with the appropriate feed (.../cwop.places).

* Usually, normally, well, it's supposed to... (they seem to be having issues with it lately, I raised a ticket with them and they said something about databases)

Greg H.
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: Randall Kayfes on December 17, 2018, 04:37:02 PM
Greetings,

My station used to show up at:  https://forecast.weather.gov

But I haven't since my move in November does anybody see there own CWOP on this page>

Randall
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: CW2274 on December 17, 2018, 04:42:16 PM
My station used to show up at:  https://forecast.weather.gov
Where?
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: PaulMy on December 17, 2018, 05:21:42 PM
Mine is not at that site Randall but this is a new one to me   https://dw3930.weatherstats.ca


Enjoy,
Paul
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on December 17, 2018, 08:38:12 PM
Greetings,

My station used to show up at:  https://forecast.weather.gov

But I haven't since my move in November does anybody see there own CWOP on this page>

Randall

I remember reading in some other thread some time ago that it is up to the local NWS forecast office to put links in for local MADIS stations or not. Some local NWS forecast offices do it, some don't. My local NWS forecast office in Melbourne does not. So your new local NWS forecast office seems like it doesn't either.
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: jcookjr82 on August 14, 2019, 05:27:40 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I have always wondered if the NOAA uses our PWS data for forecasting? I know it is impossible to know if one sites their station well or other factors, but it would be interesting to know.
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on August 14, 2019, 05:30:46 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I have always wondered if the NOAA uses our PWS data for forecasting? I know it is impossible to know if one sites their station well or other factors, but it would be interesting to know.

Yes and Yes...

https://www.weather.gov/iln/cwop
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: jcookjr82 on August 14, 2019, 05:38:01 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I have always wondered if the NOAA uses our PWS data for forecasting? I know it is impossible to know if one sites their station well or other factors, but it would be interesting to know.

Yes and Yes...

https://www.weather.gov/iln/cwop

Thanks! That site is not organized well for finding out such info.
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: CW2274 on August 14, 2019, 05:51:05 PM
Straight from CWOP's home page:

CWOP members send their weather data by internet alone or internet-wireless combination to the findU server and then every five minutes, the data are sent from the findU server to the NOAA MADIS server. The data undergo quality checking and then are distributed to users. There are over 800 different organizations using CWOP mesonet data. Here is a partial list:

    NWS Weather Forecast Offices
    National Center for Environmental Prediction
    National Ocean Service
    National Transportation Safety Board
    National Center for Atmospheric Research
    Department of Homeland Security
    Denver Urban Drainage and Flood Control District
    Colorado Avalanche Information Center
    Kennedy Space Center
    NASA Marshall Space Flight Center
    University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
    Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
    MIT Lincoln Laboratories
    University of Utah
    Penn State University
    Mississippi State University
    University of Alaska
    University of North Dakota
    Hampton University
    Texas A&M University
    University of Hawaii
    Florida State University
    Weather Underground
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: K5GHS on January 13, 2020, 11:34:28 PM
One note about Ham Stations too is that depending on what else they might be doing on APRS (which is where our weather data goes too, as well as some CWOP data, depending on how the operator is sending it to the network) they might use their callsign, or callsign-x (where x is a number 1-15).  My weather station for example is K5GHS-1 because I run a APRS application on my home computer that is using my callsign sans any number.  (I might have to change this, I'm waiting to hear back from NWS, if so, I'll have to swap it and my weather station).  But I have seen other hams use a -x identifier for their weather station.  This is the reason why other identifiers are used too (I was an ASxxx in California before I wasn't able to upload to CWOP with my old station, just got back into it, but thats one of a few identifiers a station may have).  Most ham stations nowadays use internet to get their data to the NWS, but some still do it the old fashioned way-transmitting it out as a APRS packet via RF, to hopefully be picked up by a relay that will "repeat" it to a APRS station that is connected to the internet (Igate).  This happens especially for stations that may have slow or unreliable internet, or remotely located stations that can reach another APRS station to relay it, or just people who have a radio license, so they want to send it in via radio, period.  Those go out on APRS first then into the network via the nearest IGate.  I won't get more technical than that, but if you look at the packets on Findu, you'll see TCPIP if they came in via internet without any radio relay.  Otherwise you'll see the callsign path they took via RF to get to the internet.

The only thing that this affects is whatever site or software you're using may not identify -x stations right, so you may not be seeing some Ham Radio related WS if they only look for the callsign minus the identifier.

I actually use quite a few different identifiers.  Depending on my physical location, and what devices or radios I have turned on at the time, there could be as many as SIX identifiers clustered on my house.  Even when I'm not home there will be a few there, namely the main if my APRS map is running, my weather station now on -1, my phone using APRSDroid, as well as my tablet on that as well (this is where anyone who sends me a message via APRS sends them to) as well as my vehicle (this is actually a "pure RF" APRS, that transmits my location as I move, used to track me when I'm storm chasing, which is what the map I have at home is for, you can watch the weather and direct people AWAY from the main storm track-we're out there to gather data, not toss a trailer into a storm a-la "Twister.").  I also have a handheld radio that will transmit APRS, though that one has to be really close to a relay to get into the APRS network because of its low signal.

If you look up APRS there is a ton of data on it, but depending on the map you look at, you might see a WX icon for a Ham operated Weather Station, but if its also showing you APRS data, you'll see other devices too.  That is what they are, either internet based trackers, or RF trackers on handhelds or Mobiles.  At times they even do balloon launches and put an APRS trackers in them too.  Usually storm chasers turn off ambiguity (the ability to mask the precise location a bit) when chasing, because if a storm is moving fast, they want Skywarn Net Control to be able to direct them out of harms way, or tell them to get under cover before a hail core hits, etc.  Some operators even send out APRS data showing what radio they are operating, wattage being used and stuff like that.  Many times if there is a local "Hamfest" or event they will put an icon for it on APRS somehow.  There are some people with setups in their cars with dedicated small screens they use just to look at APRS data.  I'm not that deep into it but it does exist, and some people use it to send messages instead of the internet, like in the old "packet radio" days with 1200 baud RF modems....

FindU will list all of the associated trackers, etc having to do with a callsign.  Just do a search for the call without any -x and it will list all of them.  I believe you can have 16 total (the callsign alone, then -1 to -15).  Some people do use all of them for various purposes. http://www.aprs.org/aprs11/SSIDs.txt (http://www.aprs.org/aprs11/SSIDs.txt) shows a list of what the are usually used for-however this isn't always followed, and if you have an "established" SSID for whatever reason, changing it might require notifying quite a few people (which is why I'm hoping I can leave mine alone at home, but if it has to be sans ssid for the weather station I'll change it).

This won't affect most of what you're looking for, and I believe probably nowadays most sites might use the "AS" ID versus the callsign for data, but if they are just looking by callsign, they are probably missing a lot of WX stations without one.  If you know a ham radio operator nearby and can't find their weather station by callsign, do the generic search on FindU and you'll probably find it under a SSID.

The APRS system is a real interesting system and there are still a lot of people using it today, and a lot of weather stations using it to get their data into the network.  "Bah!  I will always send my reports by radio. Using the internet is cheating!" ...some operators do think this, for sure.

Just one other way that data flows into CWOP, at least on the Amateur Radio side.

EDIT: Typos
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on February 25, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
The new PWSweather is showing MADIS stations:
https://pwsweather.com/map/


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Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: FW8379 on October 18, 2020, 11:48:52 PM
I can see my MADIS station data (F8379) on PWSweather, MesoWest, NWS, Windy, and others on the list, but not on the MADIS Map https://madis-data.ncep.noaa.gov/MadisSurface/ (https://madis-data.ncep.noaa.gov/MadisSurface/) - even if I search (TOOLS>Station Search) for my station.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: jimi on October 19, 2020, 07:47:51 AM

CWOP vs MADIS: Anyone can register for a CWOP station ID but only those residing in the USA and Canada can register to have their CWOP station ingested by MADIS. Therefore most of the list of sites mentioned by this thread are only for those stations in the US and Canada


Bit confused by this, if I use the station search on the MADIS map for my station F6511 it shows up correctly  https://madis-data.ncep.noaa.gov/MadisSurface/
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on October 19, 2020, 07:57:19 AM
I can see my MADIS station data (F8379) on PWSweather, MesoWest, NWS, Windy, and others on the list, but not on the MADIS Map https://madis-data.ncep.noaa.gov/MadisSurface/ (https://madis-data.ncep.noaa.gov/MadisSurface/) - even if I search (TOOLS>Station Search) for my station.

Any ideas?

Maybe you are too new. Give it time. You haven't even been around a month.
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on October 19, 2020, 07:58:38 AM

CWOP vs MADIS: Anyone can register for a CWOP station ID but only those residing in the USA and Canada can register to have their CWOP station ingested by MADIS. Therefore most of the list of sites mentioned by this thread are only for those stations in the US and Canada


Bit confused by this, if I use the station search on the MADIS map for my station F6511 it shows up correctly  https://madis-data.ncep.noaa.gov/MadisSurface/

I need to reword that. It should read that only North America stations get Gladstonefamily.net red analysis line.

EDIT: I took the whole statement out. Tks.
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: TrugWX on October 19, 2020, 08:51:54 AM

I need to reword that. It should read that only North America stations get Gladstonefamily.net MADIS analysis.


I too am a bit confused by this or I am not understanding this thread. I regularly check the data from my PWS in Australia using the Gladstonefamily.net and get the MADIS double tick for all of my measured elements.
Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: galfert on October 19, 2020, 10:11:45 AM

I need to reword that. It should read that only North America stations get Gladstonefamily.net MADIS analysis.


I too am a bit confused by this or I am not understanding this thread. I regularly check the data from my PWS in Australia using the Gladstonefamily.net and get the MADIS double tick for all of my measured elements.

Fixed yet again....Gladstonefamily.net does not give you a red analysis line.  Which I wouldn't put any faith in anyway. So no big loss. It is just a combined analysis of your station compared to your neighbors. Good neighbors = good red analysis line, Bad neighbors = less useful analysis comparison. But you can then take it further to find out if the problem is you or your neighbors by looking at your closest neighbors. I think it only has value as a starting point, not as an end all be all determinant. I also reach out to my neighbors when I see that it is them that has the problem...then that fixed my analysis line. Therefore it has some use...as an indicator that someone is off...maybe you...maybe someone else.

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Title: Re: List of Places: Where registered CWOP weather stations or MADIS data shows up...
Post by: jimi on October 19, 2020, 10:32:02 AM

I need to reword that. It should read that only North America stations get Gladstonefamily.net MADIS analysis.


I too am a bit confused by this or I am not understanding this thread. I regularly check the data from my PWS in Australia using the Gladstonefamily.net and get the MADIS double tick for all of my measured elements.

Fixed yet again....Gladstonefamily.net does not give you a red analysis line.
@TrugWX
I get the same.
@galfert
thanks for clearing that up