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Re: Barani: too good to be true...
« Reply #675 on: October 26, 2024, 05:16:42 AM »
Passive shields/screens have literally been used for hundreds of years to measure temperature and they are only getting better, so I have no idea why the slower time constant of a passive shield is all of a sudden such a negative factor. Your comments just seem a bit pedantic at this point, if I’m being honest. You’re never going to reach perfection.

You have to realise that the main problem for a long time, at the professional level in practice, has been not to take into account the effective constant of the shelter + probe assembly, even though it is recommended to determine it.

Look closely at the conclusion of the fine Belgian scientific study on the Barani.

The results are subject to the fact that the shelter's time constant has not been determined (and before that the ventilation of 13 m/s exceeds the WMO standard).

So despite perfect statistical processing, but with reservations, because 13m/s compared to a passive shelter without trying to harmonise the reactivity of the measurements of the 2 sets, is like putting a very slow probe in a network in one Barani and another very fast one in the other Barani of the same network.

Nobody would ever think of doing that, but we continue not to study the T values as a function of the constants of the shelter+probe sets, in order to choose a specific probe for each shelter with a constant that is too different, so that all the shelter+probe sets have an effective constant that is fairly comparable.

The climatology of extremes and the accuracy of monitoring in terms of instantaneous variability on average/1mn constant of 20s/1m/s are the main problems to be solved by modern measurement, plus too many averages. Are the instantaneous deviations close enough to reality at all times to meet the WMO's demand for responsiveness? Well, not at all. You only have to look at the graphs: over 10 minutes, it's already impossible, so over 1 minute, I don't know of any decent passive shelter capable of tracking the T correctly in winds that aren't strong enough.

It's easy enough to do what everyone else is doing without even really believing in it; but it's a bit more complicated to be alone because of your convictions ’  :lol:

Have a good weekend

I repeat; in a test, what is the point of equalling the time constant when that is part of the very thing you are trying to research? If I’m comparing an active vs a passive, what would the point be in sticking a giant and slow sensor in the active and a tiny one in the passive (to equal the time constant), to then find no differences, exactly because the time constant is identical? Because that’s generally what you’re going to find then, if you’re comparing high end shields with otherwise very little flaws to influence the outcome. I want to be able to see how much faster the active is, due to the low time constant.

I can see why you’d want to equal the time constant in certain tests, for example when you’re trying to judge a potential radiation error, but other times, it makes no sense at all.

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Re: Barani: too good to be true...
« Reply #676 on: October 26, 2024, 05:28:47 AM »
I repeat; in a test, what is the point of equalling the time constant when that is part of the very thing you are trying to research? If I’m comparing an active vs a passive, what would the point be in sticking a giant and slow sensor in the active and a tiny one in the passive (to equal the time constant), to then find no differences, exactly because the time constant is identical? Because that’s generally what you’re going to find then, if you’re comparing high end shields with otherwise very little flaws to influence the outcome. I want to be able to see how much faster the active is, due to the low time constant.
I can see why you’d want to equal the time constant in certain tests, for example when you’re trying to judge a potential radiation error, but other times, it makes no sense at all.

then we'll assume that you've installed your shelters at a minimum of 2 m apart, because even without the shadows, this reduces the horizontal gradient of T, which is useful for comparisons, even if in class 1, the difference is no more than 0.2° between 1.5 m and 2 m, but here for my class 4 it's more like 0. 5° often for Tx, so there's no question of cast shadows and we all agree that the important thing when testing shelters is to be able to catch the sun on the shelter and on the ground under all the shelters at the same time, especially when there's 200 to 300W/m2 under clear skies in the morning and evening (especially without wind in the morning) for the passive ones, so the solar height needs to be checked against the obstacles and shadows on the ground under the shelters, so as not to miss this problem power zone:
to analyse the snapshots with the obstacles concerned for the shadows on the ground, do you filter your data 30 minutes after a pyrano 2 m away is touched by the sun in the morning and 30 minutes before the pyrano is no longer concerned in the evening, so as to be sure that the ground is sunny for all the shelters in the park (I say that because for my class 4, there's not even any point in talking about it here, lol).



the average OMM Tmoy/1mn of the 60s/1m/s probe + mechanical ventilation to obtain an effective constant of 20s at all times under 9 m/s, will not give the same result as a 20s/1 m/s probe placed in the same shelter under 9 m/s, despite also being average/1mn.

Smoothing out the value of an Apogee's 20s/1m/s sensor by 1 minute will not often enough make it comparable with the instantaneous T of a Stevenson or a Barani (smoothing out the values of these passive sensors by 1 minute aggravates the problem), especially as the ground is hot and dry and the solar radiation is strong (and the latitude is low), and there is a little wind, but enough to encourage very localised convection, but not too much so as not to stir up the air too much (when the wind is really almost nil, even on a sonic anemometer, it's easy to see that with dry natural soil, at 60-80°, like a mecha shelter, it's still cold compared to a passive at these times)... .


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1. because it makes no sense at OUR level  :grin:
2. especially as the more ‘I meet leaders, the more I realise that there isn't just one Pope, or that he's not the only infallible one’  =D>




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Re: Barani: too good to be true...
« Reply #677 on: October 26, 2024, 02:11:59 PM »
Today's comparison on SHT35.
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« Reply #678 on: November 05, 2024, 02:36:38 PM »
Today's comparison on a sunny high autumn day with low winds. Comes from SHT35 Sensirion sensors with an interval of 5 minutes and PT1000 with an interval of recording every 1 minute on loggers.

I already have the Apogee TS100 practically ready for full commissioning. I recently did power tests and tested the operation of the fan. I'm still assembling the voltage regulator and around the weekend I plan to fully launch by redesigning my mast. It will be using an Barani Meteoshield Pro III vs Davis FARS24H. All equipped with analog SHT35 without filters and Jumo's PT1000 synchronized with recording every 1 minute.

Expect detailed tests in the coming weeks and months.

The problem with Barani Meteoshield Gen III at low sun angles was perfectly visible.
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Re: Barani: too good to be true...
« Reply #679 on: November 05, 2024, 04:16:32 PM »
Weird how your Barani is cooler than your FARS at night...

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Re: Barani: too good to be true...
« Reply #680 on: November 05, 2024, 04:33:52 PM »
Weird how your Barani is cooler than your FARS at night...

In fact, it is not strange, an actively ventilated screen, if it also works during the night hours, tends to record higher temperature values, especially in clear sky conditions and in the absence of natural ventilation.

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« Reply #681 on: November 05, 2024, 04:49:06 PM »
Weird how your Barani is cooler than your FARS at night...

In fact, it is not strange, an actively ventilated screen, if it also works during the night hours, tends to record higher temperature values, especially in clear sky conditions and in the absence of natural ventilation.

M.

Well yes but it should have lower dips then when the temp drops and it doesn’t… Doesn’t match up with the behaviour I saw on my FARS, compared to the MS Pro.

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Re: Barani: too good to be true...
« Reply #682 on: November 05, 2024, 05:00:42 PM »
Weird how your Barani is cooler than your FARS at night...

In fact, it is not strange, an actively ventilated screen, if it also works during the night hours, tends to record higher temperature values, especially in clear sky conditions and in the absence of natural ventilation.

M.

Well yes but it should have lower dips then when the temp drops and it doesn’t… Doesn’t match up with the behaviour I saw on my FARS, compared to the MS Pro.

You must consider the night irradiation, it is not linked to the drop in temperature but to a set of factors involving ventilation, cloud cover, amount of water vapor, type of substrate etc., the night radiation is never a parameter that is easily repeatable when the installation varies.

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Re: Barani: too good to be true...
« Reply #683 on: November 06, 2024, 02:05:49 AM »
I have also noticed that the night and morning temperature in the absence of wind on the rotating anemometer fluctuates more than on the passive Barani Meteoshield Pro III. I'm still wrapping up the voltage regulator issues for the Apogee TS100 and we'll see how that compares against the Davis FARS24H.

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« Reply #684 on: November 06, 2024, 02:40:52 PM »
Today in a serene autumn anticyclone with weak winds and low sun angle. We see that Barani Meteoshield Pro III showed about 0.4 degrees higher than Davis FARS24H. The problem of overheating of the shield occurred for most of the day, projecting t-max. I will try to move the radiation shields to an even longer sunny location in the next few days, installing the Apogee TS100 close to the Davis FARS24H and the Barani Meteoshield Pro III at a similar height nearby.
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Re: Barani: too good to be true...
« Reply #685 on: November 08, 2024, 02:52:36 AM »
Charts from yesterday.
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Re: Barani: too good to be true...
« Reply #686 on: November 08, 2024, 02:17:03 PM »
Very strange how your FARS is consistently warmer than the Barani at night. Doesn't make sense and doesn't match up with what I found during my FARS vs Barani comparison. On clear and cold nights, it would always be around the same temp or colder, as it reacts more quickly than the Barani to lowering air temps. Are you sure there's nothing wrong with your setup or data collection?

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« Reply #687 on: November 11, 2024, 09:19:28 AM »
It depends on the conditions here is the MWC (urban heat island)and hence such temperature fluctuations. Today I put on the final Apogee TS100 in my surroundings. There is a Davis FARS24H nearby and a Barani Meteoshield Pro III in the garden. Above I gave a target anemometer to check if the wind is blowing. I look forward to autumn and winter conditions. SHT35 in each sheath without filters, placed in addition PT1000 calibrated in each sheath. Equipment boxes located on the north side.
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Re: Barani: too good to be true...
« Reply #688 on: November 11, 2024, 09:23:17 AM »
You should place the shields at the same height, there’s quite significant differences between the shields now. The bottom of the FARS should be at the same height of the sensor in the Barani.

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« Reply #689 on: November 11, 2024, 09:28:45 AM »
This is a test of the configuration at the moment. If I see discrepancies after a few weeks, I will correct it. At the moment it is simply a test of the configuration. The Barani Meteoshield Pro III was deliberately placed higher to avoid shading.
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« Reply #690 on: November 16, 2024, 10:25:54 AM »
I have made significant changes to the mast garden. The Apogee TS100 is uppermost on the mast, with the Davis FARS24H below and the Barani Meteoshield Pro III offset half a meter from the main mast.

Placed SHT35 probes without filters and PT1000 in each shield. The Barani is provided with sunshine around the clock and is not shaded. It was additionally moved 50 cm away from the mast. The sensor and transmitter boxes are oriented in a northerly direction so as not to obstruct the sun's rays.
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« Reply #691 on: November 18, 2024, 02:38:20 AM »
The first tests in the new configuration are underway. Today you can see how evenly the Apogee TS100 at 8V set on the regulator goes evenly with the Davis FARS24H. Since 8V on my mains supply, this is the lowest voltage at which the Apogee starts. Barani Meteoshield Pro III in conditions of autumn sun and low wind shows slight overheating. Today I don't have the loggers on PT1000, because I didn't think we'd hit such conditions after a few days of installation, as we are in a period of cyclone weather. So, graphs from SHT35 on a 5 minute interval will appear. Independent tests in my garden will continue over the next few weeks to demonstrate the various advantages and disadvantages of the different shields.
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Re: Barani: too good to be true...
« Reply #692 on: November 18, 2024, 01:49:33 PM »
Interested to see your results, however I still believe you should try to put the Apogee at the same height as the other shields. With regards to my Davis, to my surprise, it's still going and not spinning down. The first 10 days of November had a cumulative total of 0.9 h of sunshine here and even after that, the fan was still spinning. At this point, I suspect it might just keep going throughout the entire winter.

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« Reply #693 on: November 18, 2024, 02:50:12 PM »
Yes, the first charts in two days. Only Sensirion SHT35 and an interval of 5 minutes. Conditions are so dull that it doesn't make sense to turn on loggers on PT1000 with a record every 1 minute.
As for the Apogee TS100, I'm testing this cover in the garden and different heights of the shelter location on the mast. The minimums are comparable to the Barani and Davis measurements at 2m. It is certainly more sensitive than the Davis FARS24H and the Barani Meteoshield Pro III.

Approaching it (TS100) in the garden can cause temperature spikes. FARS24H's Barani and Davis do not react that way. I have the lowest RPM set and 8V on the voltage regulator. I am waiting for a more interesting period in the weather, because in these conditions the measurements from each cover are comparable.

I think that this fall and winter I will catch especially the Barani Meteoshield Pro III on large measurement errors, as we saw last fall and winter in Poland. Must hit the right barometric situation. I'm keeping track of the forecasts and will be running the PT1000 remotely for comparisons alongside the Sensiron SHT35 if necessary. Apogee TS100 regulator I have at home. This is about 30 m of cable from the location of the shield on the plot of my parents.

In the spring, I plan to install an Italian SMarT CELLino shield as a replacement for the Barani Meteoshield Pro III, which reveals a pronounced wet-bulb periodically, not only sometimes in the rain, but also on radiant nights, and performs poorly at low sun angles at all times of the year. The main measurement will remain the Davis FARS24H anyway. The mounting height of the Apogee TS100 will be experimented with, but I need a few more weeks to familiarize myself with this aspiration dial from Apogee to make conclusions and test the mounting height in different weather scenarios.

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Re: Barani: too good to be true...
« Reply #694 on: November 18, 2024, 03:05:00 PM »
Yes, the first charts in two days. Only Sensirion SHT35 and an interval of 5 minutes. Conditions are so dull that it doesn't make sense to turn on loggers on PT1000 with a record every 1 minute.
As for the Apogee TS100, I'm testing this cover in the garden and different heights of the shelter location on the mast. The minimums are comparable to the Barani and Davis measurements at 2m. It is certainly more sensitive than the Davis FARS24H and the Barani Meteoshield Pro III.

Approaching it (TS100) in the garden can cause temperature spikes. FARS24H's Barani and Davis do not react that way. I have the lowest RPM set and 8V on the voltage regulator. I am waiting for a more interesting period in the weather, because in these conditions the measurements from each cover are comparable.

I think that this fall and winter I will catch especially the Barani Meteoshield Pro III on large measurement errors, as we saw last fall and winter in Poland. Must hit the right barometric situation. I'm keeping track of the forecasts and will be running the PT1000 remotely for comparisons alongside the Sensiron SHT35 if necessary. Apogee TS100 regulator I have at home. This is about 30 m of cable from the location of the shield on the plot of my parents.

In the spring, I plan to install an Italian SMarT CELLino shield as a replacement for the Barani Meteoshield Pro III, which reveals a pronounced wet-bulb periodically, not only sometimes in the rain, but also on radiant nights, and performs poorly at low sun angles at all times of the year. The main measurement will remain the Davis FARS24H anyway. The mounting height of the Apogee TS100 will be experimented with, but I need a few more weeks to familiarize myself with this aspiration dial from Apogee to make conclusions and test the mounting height in different weather scenarios.

We developed the power supply for Davis FARS24H in Poland and anyone can easily make it. It works in a simple way, hence the FARS24H will not turn off in autumn and winter in the absence of sunlight. If you need a diagram, let us know

30m of 12v cable between your transformer and the TS100!
Have you calculated the loss according to the length and type of cabling?

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« Reply #695 on: November 18, 2024, 03:11:27 PM »
I didn't count. Many colleagues in Poland use this voltage regulator for Apogee TS100 and cables of 20-30 m. We got them on the recommendation of Apogee's distributor in Poland. I use a mid-range power supply. At 8V, this is the lowest tripping threshold on a 30m TS100. Easily and pleasantly, the regulator works on the TS100 and speeds up as the voltage increases. On 12V it pulls the TS100 very hard. The pull is much greater than the Davis FARS24H. I believe that with the weather we have been having lately there is no need to set the voltage to 12V and the minimum rpm with current draw is ok. In the future maybe this will get automated something like the Davis FARS24H style which has solar built in. 

Apogee technicians in Poland can prepare ready-made kits for us under pyranometer and solar, but this requires more money. Perhaps in the future I and colleagues will expand this.
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Re: Barani: too good to be true...
« Reply #696 on: November 18, 2024, 03:31:05 PM »
I didn't count. Many colleagues in Poland use this voltage regulator for Apogee TS100 and cables of 20-30 m. We got them on the recommendation of Apogee's distributor in Poland. I use a mid-range power supply. At 8V, this is the lowest tripping threshold on a 30m TS100. Easily and pleasantly, the regulator works on the TS100 and speeds up as the voltage increases. On 12V it pulls the TS100 very hard. The pull is much greater than the Davis FARS24H. I believe that with the weather we have been having lately there is no need to set the voltage to 12V and the minimum rpm with current draw is ok. In the future maybe this will get automated something like the Davis FARS24H style which has solar built in. 

Apogee technicians in Poland can prepare ready-made kits for us under pyranometer and solar, but this requires more money. Perhaps in the future I and colleagues will expand this.

With 1mm2 cable at 8v and 30m you have 13% loss, at 12v 9% loss!
With 2.5mm2 5% loss at 8v. At 12v 3.5%.
Do you know the cross-section of your cable and its shielding between the 2 channels?
Shouldn't you first set up an electrical installation to guarantee the power supply to your TS100?

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« Reply #697 on: November 19, 2024, 02:19:18 AM »
@tobyportugal - The power supply and cable issue was agreed with the Apogee technician for Poland at the time of ordering. He deals with Apogee installations. I have a high-quality 5m cable and it is the original Apogee cable that comes standard with the kit. On the other hand, the extended 25m cable is high quality and low-loss two-core with proper insulation for outdoor use. I have the voltage regulator clipped to the power supply itself at home so that I can freely adjust the voltage without leaving the house to garden. The insulation of the Apogee TS100 is so good that even at minimum speed this shield works better than the Barani Meteoshield Pro III packed with a lot of material. It's a completely different quality of measurement with the rapid temperature drop I've already seen during flare-ups and the temperature drop was faster on the TS100 than on the passive Barani.
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« Reply #698 on: November 19, 2024, 06:36:42 AM »
cable section calculation:
0.021 (copper resistivity coefficient) x length (outward + return) x current (0.5A is a minimum for safety) / maximum voltage drop required (1%: 0.12v) = cable cross-section in mm2.
When you want to vary a voltage of just 2.4v (10.8 <-> 13.2) precisely, you need to calculate precisely.
So what is the cross-section of your cable?
There's no such thing as a cable with no losses along its length.
With little loss with temperature, yes.

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« Reply #699 on: November 19, 2024, 06:58:11 AM »
Yes, it's a low-loss cable and it was recommended to me by an Apogee installer from a company that has distribution for Poland. I know that there is no cable without loss. The voltage regulator works well and I can hear and feel the voltage changes when turning my potentiometer. I have a good quality power supply and I can even set Apogee to 12V on the output and then the TS100 pulls like a vacuum cleaner. If you want I will give you pictures of the power supply.

This morning, unfortunately, the conditions surprised me and there were more clear skies than I expected. I was using only the Sensiron SHT35, it didn't make sense to include the PT1000 loggers for recording anymore. The wind was weak to about 2-3 m/s and the advantages of aspiration shields were evident. In the evening there will be graphs with an interval of 5 minutes, but on Sensiron SHT35 without PRT.
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