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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2021, 04:31:33 PM »
I honestly do not understand why weather station manufacturers want to go down these routes? Well.. to be fair, it's designed for those who don't really care for accuracy.

The only good thing haptic rain sensors are for, and that is detecting when it starts to rain. To this day, WF haven't solved the issues with theirs, and they won't.

You'll never get accurate results in any winds that cause rain to fall in any direction other than straight down. It's a gimmick for those who like a little fun with technology, but not good for anyone who like strict results.


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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2021, 04:33:16 PM »
I honestly do not understand why weather station manufacturers want to go down these routes? Well.. to be fair, it's designed for those who don't really care for accuracy.

The only good thing haptic rain sensors are for, and that is detecting when it starts to rain. To this day, WF haven't solved the issues with theirs, and they won't.

You'll never get accurate results in any winds that cause rain to fall in any direction other than straight down. It's a gimmick for those who like a little fun with technology, but not good for anyone who like strict results.
obviously it uses a completely different technology than WF, they have no interest in making an imprecise w.station

 

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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2021, 04:35:54 PM »

obviously it uses a completely different technology than WF, they have no interest in making an imprecise w.station

It makes absolutely zero difference! Haptic is haptic - You'll never get accurate results with it, guaranteed. The WH40 will be far more accurate than that, over time.


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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2021, 04:39:16 PM »

obviously it uses a completely different technology than WF, they have no interest in making an imprecise w.station

It makes absolutely zero difference! Haptic is haptic - You'll never get accurate results with it, guaranteed. The WH40 will be far more accurate than that, over time.

I don't know, I've never used them. What models have you tried?

Mauro from meteonetwork said that it uses 3 sensors for different rain rates and special algorithms to measure rain. I don't know if this is all working well, but I have no reason to doubt.

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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2021, 04:44:20 PM »

obviously it uses a completely different technology than WF, they have no interest in making an imprecise w.station

It makes absolutely zero difference! Haptic is haptic - You'll never get accurate results with it, guaranteed. The WH40 will be far more accurate than that, over time.

I agree with you, and after a lot of your comments with the same contents I'm asking to me "why you simply you do not take more care of this new product?"

for the others, the new testing phase is going well, new firmware optimization seems to guarantee very good performance also with very low rain-rate levels, I hope to receive first samples, reserved for beta testers ASAP

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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2021, 04:11:11 AM »
It will be interesting to see how it copes with light drizzle/misty conditions, heavy dew, sleet, snow, and freezing rain. All of which have would have very different or zero haptic input I would think.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2021, 09:53:07 AM »
It will be interesting to see how it copes with light drizzle/misty conditions, heavy dew, sleet, snow, and freezing rain. All of which have would have very different or zero haptic input I would think.
but... even the wh40 does not record these events

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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2021, 11:15:18 AM »
but... even the wh40 does not record these events

Mine records dew that gathers on it. Freezing rain/snow is rare here, but since owning the WH40, we did have an event that produced both. As soon as the temperature increased and began to melt it, the WH40 started recording it as rain, which is technically correct.


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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2021, 11:46:44 AM »
but... even the wh40 does not record these events

Mine records dew that gathers on it. Freezing rain/snow is rare here, but since owning the WH40, we did have an event that produced both. As soon as the temperature increased and began to melt it, the WH40 started recording it as rain, which is technically correct.

I absolutely agree,

I believe that the new ws90, or Wittboy as you want to call it, will have an use based on the type of user, who does not need to have highly accurate data, who do not seek perfection but a general indication of external events, he will keep it that way and it will be, I hope, a technically valid and satisfactory product, similar to what that we have with the Tempest, but I hope with better quality and, most importantly, with no need for remote quality data correction.

The advanced user, as most of those who frequent this section of the forum is, will probably combine it with a wh40 and maybe, if I can get what I asked for, that is the possibility, given the removable sensor, to have an extension cable that allows the physical movement from the central body, to be able to insert the thermo-hygrometer sensor in a quality solar radiation shield.

So the ws90 will be a "scalable" product, we are working to start from the better standard level possible.

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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2021, 11:59:37 AM »
Having a wh65, and 2 wh40s, I will be interested to see how the WS 90 compares when it arrives.

Fun part is going to be trying to find a location on my small property where the measurements can be used in a relative comparison.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2021, 02:26:45 PM »
Having a wh65, and 2 wh40s, I will be interested to see how the WS 90 compares when it arrives.

Fun part is going to be trying to find a location on my small property where the measurements can be used in a relative comparison.
would such a setup be useful for you ?
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2021, 03:37:06 PM »
Actually ,for me no. i have a complex tree shaded property. the biggest issue is doing both wind and rain. :)   . No worries, I will think of something.

for reference, https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40706.msg417710#msg417710

:) , I will have some fun.



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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2021, 04:06:00 AM »
Looks like the beta test shipping has started:
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2021, 04:20:28 AM »
Looks like the beta test shipping has started:
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Shipped with DHL?

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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2021, 04:21:33 AM »
No idea - only received shipping note and invoice via email. No tracking ID yet.
In fact, it's the system generated invoice so far only with all shipping info contained
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2021, 07:45:13 AM »
I can conform, today i also received a shipping and invoice notice of the GW2001 as it is called.
No shipment information available yet! Exiting!  :grin: :grin:

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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2021, 07:58:22 AM »
First shipments after end year holidays

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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2021, 12:02:58 PM »

It makes absolutely zero difference! Haptic is haptic - You'll never get accurate results with it, guaranteed. The WH40 will be far more accurate than that, over time.
This is a piece of crap?
https://www.vaisala.com/en/products/weather-environmental-sensors/weather-transmitter-wxt530-series
They claim that is accurate even with hail.

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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2021, 12:27:39 PM »
This is a piece of crap?
https://www.vaisala.com/en/products/weather-environmental-sensors/weather-transmitter-wxt530-series
They claim that is accurate even with hail.
Well, not quite. The rain measurement is better than 5% "weather dependent" - whatever that means? I suspect they exclude sleet, melting snow, very light/misty drizzle.
And for hail it counts the number of hailstones hitting it, no conversion to precipitation that I can see?
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2021, 01:44:36 PM »
has anyone done a side-by-side test of haptic vs tipping bucket vs manual rain gauge?

Or is there about to be one?..... :-P

As far as I can see all of the 'official' rain measurement devices are all manual devices or tipping buckets

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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2021, 03:07:51 PM »
has anyone done a side-by-side test of haptic vs tipping bucket vs manual rain gauge?

Or is there about to be one?..... :-P

As far as I can see all of the 'official' rain measurement devices are all manual devices or tipping buckets
In general , I'm sure there have been (you can search for that). On this specific unit , if there has been it has been on the developers side as these are new. Once the beta testers get these units, and those of us that pre-ordered units on kickstarter get them. I guarantee there will be as I know I will be.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2021, 03:24:04 PM »
has anyone done a side-by-side test of haptic vs tipping bucket vs manual rain gauge?

Or is there about to be one?..... :-P

As far as I can see all of the 'official' rain measurement devices are all manual devices or tipping buckets
the beta test setup will be such - recording the readings of the WS90 together with/in parallel to a WH40.
Having a WH40 and a HP2551 was a prerequisite for beta test applicants. No issue putting also a manual rain gauge next to the setup. Only its data won't be automatically collected on ecowitt.net or/and by another data logger.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2021, 03:30:45 PM »
I will be comparing performance against a WH65, 2 WH40s, and a manual gauge.
Now is it a scientific lab environment, oh hell no. But should be enough for me to get a "feel" on performance.
Which I will relay.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2021, 04:00:23 PM »
has anyone done a side-by-side test of haptic vs tipping bucket vs manual rain gauge?

Or is there about to be one?..... :-P

As far as I can see all of the 'official' rain measurement devices are all manual devices or tipping buckets
the beta test setup will be such - recording the readings of the WS90 together with/in parallel to a WH40.
Having a WH40 and a HP2551 was a prerequisite for beta test applicants. No issue putting also a manual rain gauge next to the setup. Only its data won't be automatically collected on ecowitt.net or/and by another data logger.

Perfect, I can confirm
the ability to add a manual rain gauge will request more jobs to the beta tester, in this case, he will need to prepare a sheet where he will note the rain measurement by manual rain gauge and, if possible, send the result to my address compared to wh40/Wittboy data
supporto.it@ecowitt.com

but, I need to be honest, this more job will be very appreciated and evaluated during future products beta testing phases organization ;)

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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
« Reply #49 on: December 31, 2021, 08:51:01 PM »
Just curious if any Ecowitt display consoles will work with this? What other options would there be to display the data from this new station..i.e..looking for tablet as a display option.

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