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Offline DaleReid

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Lightning in the California Storm, or lack thereof?
« on: December 12, 2014, 08:19:24 PM »
As California gets inches of rain, I see no strokes of lightning there.

I've not been out West when it has rained.  Do even heavy storms have no lightning associated with them?  My sniffer is anxious to hear some atmospheric disturbances and there seem to be none out there, nor any being detected by those closer to that shore.

You'd think with that amount of rain and severity of storm that a few strokes would be happening.
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Re: Lightning in the California Storm, or lack thereof?
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2014, 09:35:07 PM »
Hi,

I tend to agree with you there Dale.  It seems the entire planet is almost void of lightning when I just checked with the Real-Time Lightning Map site a short time ago.

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Re: Lightning in the California Storm, or lack thereof?
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2014, 10:15:32 PM »
It Is What It Is....

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Re: Lightning in the California Storm, or lack thereof?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2014, 03:51:43 PM »
Check out https://eo.ucar.edu/kids/dangerwx/tstorm4.htm for a basic description of how thunderstorms form.

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The action of warm air rising and cold air sinking (convection) plays a key role in the formation of severe thunderstorms. If the warm surface air is forced to rise, it will continue to rise, because it is less dense than the surrounding air. In addition, it will transfer heat from the land surface to upper levels of the atmosphere through the process of convection.

Two of the most important ingredients for thunderstorm formation are instability (unstable air) and moisture.

Out here along the coast, our storms generally don't have enough instability to form thunderheads. We might have one thunderstorm a year. East of here in the summer, clouds pushing up against the Sierra will form orographic thunderstorms. 

Having said all that, from our current forecast discussion:

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.SHORT TERM (TODAY-WED)...OUR NEXT SYSTEM IS AT OUR DOORSTEP, 
  CURRENTLY BRINGING RAIN TO EXTREME NW SLO COUNTY. THE FRONT WILL 
  MARCH SOUTHEAST THROUGH THE FORECAST AREA TODAY AND TONIGHT AND BE 
  EAST OF LA COUNTY BY AROUND MORNING RUSH TUESDAY. RAINFALL AMOUNTS 
  FROM THIS ONE WILL SEEM SCANT COMPARED TO WHAT WE`VE SEEN LATELY BUT 
  IT WILL KEEP NUDGING OUR SEASON NUMBERS MORE IN THE BLACK AND GIVE 
  US A LITTLE CUSHION FOR OUR INEVITABLE WINTER RAIN HIATUS, WHICH 
  ACTUALLY MAY BE STARTING UP LATER THIS WEEK. FORECAST LOOKS MORE OR 
  LESS ON TRACK BUT WILL BE INCREASING POPS TO >80 ALL AREAS TUE 
  NIGHT. NOT REALLY ENAMORED WITH THUNDERSTORMS WITH THIS FIRST EVENT, 
  BUT WILL LEAVE IN SMALL CHANCES RIGHT ALONG THE CENTRAL COAST AND 
  OVER THE ADJACENT COASTAL WATERS. THE SECOND SYSTEM IS COLDER AND 
  HAS A SLIGHTLY BETTER CHANCE FOR CONVECTION, UNFORTUNATELY TIMING IS 
  BAD AS THE COLDER AIR WILL ARRIVE OVERNIGHT TUE INTO EARLY WED AND 
  THE AIR MASS ACTUALLY STABILIZES WED AFTERNOON.

So, maybe we'll get some lightning out of these 2 storms, but probably not...

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Re: Lightning in the California Storm, or lack thereof?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2014, 03:57:02 PM »
Actually, almost all the US lightning activity stopped about the time I put my Blitzer on-line. If I shut it off, will the lightning start back up?? ;)

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Re: Lightning in the California Storm, or lack thereof?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2014, 04:21:29 PM »
Actually, almost all the US lightning activity stopped about the time I put my Blitzer on-line. If I shut it off, will the lightning start back up?? ;)

It's because you have such a great ground-rod and there's no energy left to create lightning...  :lol:

Actually, one of our new WXFORUM members has a great photo of a lightning strike that hit here in the Carson Valley on July 20th of this year during my 50th wedding anniversary party. Hopefully he will post it when he gets active on the forum,
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Re: Lightning in the California Storm, or lack thereof?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2014, 05:50:24 PM »
Well, my NexStorm is showing a few strikes, OOOH, a bunch real close to us in the last 10 minutes!, But nothing really on WASP2 or Blitz.


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Re: Lightning in the California Storm, or lack thereof?
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2014, 11:13:34 AM »
And, this morning I am picking-up strikes off-shore of Baja California on my BO system.
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Re: Lightning in the California Storm, or lack thereof?
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2014, 02:10:18 AM »
Don't worry Dale, we have been getting plenty in SE Australia. Last Monday a strike lit up the hill we walk up every morning. With the help of 5 tankers and a water bomber we managed to put it out fairly quickly.
Next day there was a delayed ignition close to town. This time we had 60 to 80 kph winds so it was a bit more of a struggle.
Could be a long summer.....