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Offline Adrian23

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Need advice on Davis repeater before I purchase
« on: September 17, 2023, 06:49:38 PM »
Hi guys need some advice so to my understanding the Davis repeater comes with the adapter ready to be plugged into a wall? My ISS RSSI is 93 and my console is 52 which is good. I am trying to get a stronger signal from the ISS to the 6100 which is of course indoors. I have a sliding glass door that is hurricane proof which lies right in front of the 6100. Do you think the 7627 repeater plugged into the wall near the 6100 indoors will boost the ISS signal to the console indoors? Hope i explained myself correctly. By the way I didnít see any power adapters included to provide power to a wall. Before I purchase these items Iíd like to make sure this will improve the situation. https://www.davisinstruments.com/products/wireless-repeater-with-solar-power-3

So I was able to find this which can be used to power the repeater Indoors. https://www.davisinstruments.com/products/power-adapter-for-vantage-family-consoles

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Re: Need advice on Davis repeater before I purchase
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2023, 08:03:11 PM »
If your console reception is good then have you considered re-transmitting from the console?

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Re: Need advice on Davis repeater before I purchase
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2023, 08:05:30 PM »
If your console reception is good then have you considered re-transmitting from the console?

Hey Mattk, thanks for your reply! You donít think placing in repeater indoors close to the 6100 will boost the signal issue from the ISS to my console? Sorry for the dumb question but can you elaborate a bit on What do you mean? My console rssi is good indoors so I think my issue is getting a bit stronger signal to the 6100 from the ISS through the hurricane proof glass sliding door they are actually not far away at all but I think the glass could be partially knocking down the singal indoors to the 6100. I have would think correct me if I am wrong?
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2023, 08:23:34 PM »
Davis consoles have a Re-transmit function. You can configure your console to re-transmit on any of the 8 Tx ID's not being used. If your ISS Tx is ID1, your console receives on ID1, then you could re-transmit the received console signal on say ID2 and have the 6100 receive on ID2

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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2023, 08:26:11 PM »
Davis consoles have a Re-transmit function. You can configure your console to re-transmit on any of the 8 Tx ID's not being used. If your ISS Tx is ID1, your console receives on ID1, then you could re-transmit the received console signal on say ID2 and have the 6100 receive on ID2

I guess this saves on spending 300$ on a repeater. sounds pretty tricky donít wanna mess anything up are there any negatives to doing this? Is this really gonna help the RSSI issue from the ISS to my console? Apologies for all the questions. I also have a different transmitter outside just for the anemometer. How i came to this conclusion other then my RSSI on the ISS being 93 my outside temp, dew point disappear from my console sometimes for a few min but they come back so this is what got me thinking.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2023, 09:18:09 PM »
No nothing really tricky, nothing to mess up, can't think of any negatives and costs nothing to try. This won't help the RSSI from the ISS to the console (as such), your problem was RSSI to the 6100 (I don't class that as a real console  :grin:), so you have a standard VP2 (rectangular) real console? With or without logger? 

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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2023, 09:42:45 PM »
No nothing really tricky, nothing to mess up, can't think of any negatives and costs nothing to try. This won't help the RSSI from the ISS to the console (as such), your problem was RSSI to the 6100 (I don't class that as a real console  :grin:), so you have a standard VP2 (rectangular) real console? With or without logger?

I have the new hd console connected to my meteobridge using the 6100. I mean my issue causing the my temp and dew point to disappear at times from the console I would think is the signal from the ISS in my backyard is being partially blocked by the hurricane proof sliding glass door. Thatís why I had suggested installing a repeater indoors near my 6100. Either way a 93 Rssi coming from the ISS outside is not a reliable signal at all so Iíd like to bring that number down.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2023, 10:40:00 PM by Adrian23 »

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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2023, 11:01:46 PM »
Time to clarify/confirm some things and the extra things

RSSI to 6100 (WLL) is 93 (bad) Correct?
RSSI to VP2 (6312) console is 52 (good) Correct?

Meteobridge (PRO or MR3020 style?) is receiving from 6100? What is this connection?
Mention of new hd console?  Is this a 6316 or something else? Receiving from ??

Is there anything else to mention?

So plan is for a repeater inside to increase/improve signal to 6100 (WLL)?
If so then question remains why not repeat the VP2 console if it's a 6312 to the 6100 (WLL)? A repeater inside will be very similar in reception to a VP2 console.
 

 

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Re: Need advice on Davis repeater before I purchase
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2023, 05:00:28 AM »
Time to clarify/confirm some things and the extra things

RSSI to 6100 (WLL) is 93 (bad) Correct?
RSSI to VP2 (6312) console is 52 (good) Correct?

Meteobridge (PRO or MR3020 style?) is receiving from 6100? What is this connection?
Mention of new hd console?  Is this a 6316 or something else? Receiving from ??

Is there anything else to mention?

So plan is for a repeater inside to increase/improve signal to 6100 (WLL)?
If so then question remains why not repeat the VP2 console if it's a 6312 to the 6100 (WLL)? A repeater inside will be very similar in reception to a VP2 console.
 

 

Yup ISS to WLL has a 93 RSSI which I think is causing my data to vanish every now and then from the Console which is the new 6313. My meteobridge is an ambient which I have had for years and works great is connected to my router and has WLL setup as the ď main weather station ď and is sending data to WU and CWOP. My objective here after reading online is to lower the RSSI reading. Itís now hovering in the upper 80ís but thatís still bad. As you can see the console RSSI is good. If you could tell me the exact steps on how to retransmit that would be helpful I thought Iíd mention the 6100 WLL is actually closer to the ISS then my console which is in my bedroom not by a dramatic distance but it is closer.

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Re: Need advice on Davis repeater before I purchase
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2023, 06:50:31 AM »
Davis consoles have a Re-transmit function.

As far as I am aware, the new 6313 console does not have a retransmit option and I think this console is what the OP may be talking about here. Not sure why retransmit is missing - not aware that there is any hardware reason but maybe it is a feature that didn't make the cut for the initial WLC code, but may appear later?

In general, my view is that the repeater is best avoided if possible. While the repeater can work well, it's not always the easiest of devices to configure or to troubleshoot as and when there are any reception issues. Of course there are circumstances where a repeater is the only viable option.

My solution would be first to see if there is any way of relocating WLL or transmitters to achieve an RSSI of -85 or better (ie less negative). Once you get to -90 or so then reception is marginal and the signal is more vulnerable to dropouts under adverse reception conditions even if the reception % looks OK. Remember reception is only reported to the nearest integer and so even 98-99% doesn't rule out signal dropout for eg a couple of minutes.
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Re: Need advice on Davis repeater before I purchase
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2023, 07:17:42 AM »
Davis consoles have a Re-transmit function.

As far as I am aware, the new 6313 console does not have a retransmit option and I think this console is what the OP may be talking about here. Not sure why retransmit is missing - not aware that there is any hardware reason but maybe it is a feature that didn't make the cut for the initial WLC code, but may appear later?

In general, my view is that the repeater is best avoided if possible. While the repeater can work well, it's not always the easiest of devices to configure or to troubleshoot as and when there are any reception issues. Of course there are circumstances where a repeater is the only viable option.

My solution would be first to see if there is any way of relocating WLL or transmitters to achieve an RSSI of -85 or better (ie less negative). Once you get to -90 or so then reception is marginal and the signal is more vulnerable to dropouts under adverse reception conditions even if the reception % looks OK. Remember reception is only reported to the nearest integer and so even 98-99% doesn't rule out signal dropout for eg a couple of minutes.

Hi Johnd, You know I thought about that but the console is in my bedroom which I am enjoying looking at the data. The WLL is a closest possible to the ISS I mean I canít put the WLL outside can I? It has a roof will never get wet but it will exposed to heat and cold so not sure if that would work. The issue is the hurricane proof sliding door is I think blocking some of The rssi getting to the WLL honestly they are really not far from each other at all. Trying to think what I can do but the transmitters are installed on my pole outside canít really move from there. Any suggestions?? I really didnít want to spend $300 anyway on a transmitter so I am glad you told me itís not a good idea. Thanks again for your response hopefully something can be done. You know whatís interesting the Tempest station I had always had strong signal and made it through the hurricane proof sliding glass door without any problems. Just thought Iíd mention that maybe the Davis signal is different not sure. Look forward to your response.

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Re: Need advice on Davis repeater before I purchase
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2023, 07:40:54 AM »
I have 1 more option placing it a bit closer to the station outside in another room but instead of it being a huge sliding door with thick glass it will be a window still hurricane proof maybe it helps? It will be a bit closer to the station.
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2023, 07:57:30 AM »
Yep forget everything I said, this is not a VP2 console, this is a WeatherLink Console  ](*,) and no they don't have re-transmit

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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2023, 08:05:16 AM »
A total of 8 feet closer to the station outside I think itís gonna make difference will try this afternoon when I get home from work. What you guys think?
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2023, 01:29:28 PM »
Not to divert you from a solution, but are you sure that you are connected to 'your' ISS ?  I see you have a separate wind sensor on a different channel.  Is it possible your ISS is not on channel 1 ?
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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2023, 01:31:56 PM »
Not to divert you from a solution, but are you sure that you are connected to 'your' ISS ?  I see you have a separate wind sensor on a different channel.  Is it possible your ISS is not on channel 1 ?

Yup the ISS is on channel 1 and my second transmitter which i named " wind " is on 3.

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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2023, 07:45:03 PM »
Check it out guys! I am happy with these results. What you think? Low 90ís previously

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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2023, 04:39:04 AM »
Both transmitters' RSSI looks excellent. The WiFi is something different of course, but equally important and that looks fine too.
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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2023, 08:20:43 PM »
Both transmitters' RSSI looks excellent. The WiFi is something different of course, but equally important and that looks fine too.

Some of my data vanished from my console again this doesnít make sense! Question for you I have two things I see (Adrianís PWS) which has very bad RSSI numbers and I have the 6100 WLL with great RSSI numbers. What is the console supposed to be pulling data from cause if itís coming from Adrianís PWS thatís the reason my data is going and coming. Is the console supposed to be configured to pull data from the 6100 or Adrianís PWS? Something seems not configured correctly I was on the phone with Davis when it was set up. I am confused.

Edit: missing data is back now but I am just confused on how all this works honestly I am pretty sure if the console were pulling straight from my 6100 these on and off glitches with the data showing up on my console would not happen. I mean the RSSI on my 6100 is now 51 so no problem there.
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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2023, 08:41:23 PM »
This is under Adrianís PWS Tab look at that RSSI..! Is my console pulling from that?



Here is the WLL 6100 which is better and rssi has been fluctuating low 60ís to mid upper 60ís.




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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2023, 08:50:45 PM »
As you can see both tabs have different RSSI numbers how they affect each other is what I donít understand.
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2023, 09:58:05 PM »
I don't have the 6313 Console but have the 6100 WLL, and as far as I understand the Console and WLL are two independent devices and each can upload to their own Weatherlink.com site.  There is no connection between the two either locally or at WL.com other than they both obtain the same data from the ISS ID-1 and Wind ID-3.  Both your Adrian's PWS (updated from Console) and Davis 6100 WS (updated from WLL) which is located a block to the north west show on the map.   From your attached screen captures the WLL device reception data is much better compared to the Console.  Are the Console and WLL devices located where they are shown on the map (quite a distance apart)? and where is the ISS and Wind sensor in relation to these two separate devices?


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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2023, 10:08:31 PM »
I don't have the 6313 Console but have the 6100 WLL, and as far as I understand the Console and WLL are two independent devices and each can upload to their own Weatherlink.com site.  There is no connection between the two either locally or at WL.com other than they both obtain the same data from the ISS ID-1 and Wind ID-3.  Both your Adrian's PWS (updated from Console) and Davis 6100 WS (updated from WLL) which is located a block to the north west show on the map.   From your attached screen captures the WLL device reception data is much better compared to the Console.  Are the Console and WLL devices located where they are shown on the map (quite a distance apart)? and where is the ISS and Wind sensor in relation to these two separate devices?


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Hi Paul, oh the console and WLL are not far at all from each there in the same house. The WLL is my living room and my Console is in my bedroom. Itís also a 1 floor house they are not far away from each other at all. Wow now I am really confused you said they look far away on a map? If so that needs to be corrected oh geez. Why the separation? How can this be fixed?? The ISS and my second transmitter which I named ď windĒ  are next to each and are literally no more then 30-40 feet from the WLL and just a bit further from my console in my bedroom which could be about 100 feet maybe a little more but itís not to far thatís all I know. My confusion is why does the WLL have better RSSI and the ISS is bad. Is the ISS RSSI getting put into the console? Sorry for all the questions

Edit:  i tried to correct both devices locations the WLL and Console and I added my home location to both. Hopefully you can see them together now on the map
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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2023, 11:00:24 PM »
From all accounts the 6313 (WeatherLink Display  :grin:) has inferior antenna hardware (hence reception) than the 6100 (WLL), they are not equal in terms of reception and the 6100 probably would not have the same reception as a VP2 Console/Envoy?
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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2023, 11:05:26 PM »
From all accounts the 6313 (WeatherLink Display  :grin:) has inferior antenna hardware (hence reception) than the 6100 (WLL), they are not equal in terms of reception and the 6100 probably would not have the same reception as a VP2 Console/Envoy?

So maybe the console is to far from the ISS and thatís why the poor RSSI on the Adrianís PWS. Certainly not far from the WLL though. I am enjoying my console in my room.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2023, 11:08:59 PM by Adrian23 »