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« Reply #1125 on: April 07, 2021, 09:10:12 AM »
I associated it more with South Park......but that's just me.

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« Reply #1126 on: April 07, 2021, 03:13:17 PM »
I would think a virologist would respond to quotes like this concerning the efficacy of face masks:

I saw this comment about the fiasco of the little girl and her family on a Spirit Air flight from earlier today and thought I'd share.

"For those who want some perspective on masks, I was formerly with the US Army's Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical warfare department at Ft McClellan. I know what protects against viruses and what does not. The best mask one can get today is an N95 medical mask (though almost none of us can get one of these masks). An N95 mask will protect you against 95% of viruses and bacteria which are 300nm or larger. A coronavirus is 50nm. Expecting an N95 mask to stop a coronavirus is like expecting a softball can be stopped by a basketball hoop.

A normal medical grade mask is much less than 95% effective against any virus, even if you are replacing it every hour, which is proper mask protocol. In any event, masks are not designed to protect people from viruses, they are designed to protect against bacteria. When comparing size, imagining a bacterium to be the size of a man, a virus would be the size of a mouse.

The entire mask farce is ludicrous. First, almost everyone on that flight was wearing either a dust mask or a cloth face cover, neither of which are effective against stopping coronaviruses. Does Spirit Airlines actually check to see that everyone is wearing a clean new mask? Because a mask which has been worn for hours does not only not stop the transmission of viruses, it increases transmission. These masks accumulate viral matter, and once they are saturated, you are blowing out more viruses than if you were wearing no mask at all.
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Rather than just criticizing someone for the way they compared face masks to diapers.

I agree the face mask and diaper analogy, while humorous, isn't very accurate.  Diapers work, they actually keep #### in.

I appreciate any virologist, especially one who accepts propaganda as fact and science, who is selling weather stations rather than making public policy.

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« Reply #1127 on: April 07, 2021, 05:12:46 PM »
Just returned from a lovely day in the Hill Country of Texas having lunch with friends in the small town of Blanco. Wonderful food, the place was packed inside and out, we sat out in the TX sunshine and enjoyed the day and not a mask in sight inside or out. Stopped by the lake on the way home, no masks there, I'm sure some will cheer believing all of us in TX will die by the end of the month.

PS: snowhiker, I thought one of the big whines is about "don't you care about us, wear your mask so you don't contaminate others"? - or did I miss something. As I've said, I don't intend to get it, so the mask is tyranny to me. As far as protecting others, I haven't got it, how can I give it?

But then again I suppose some would take offense to my Come And Take It tee shirt, they'll get over it.
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« Reply #1128 on: April 07, 2021, 06:52:43 PM »
Just returned from a lovely day in the Hill Country of Texas having lunch with friends in the small town of Blanco. Wonderful food, the place was packed inside and out, we sat out in the TX sunshine and enjoyed the day and not a mask in sight inside or out. Stopped by the lake on the way home, no masks there, I'm sure some will cheer believing all of us in TX will die by the end of the month.

PS: snowhiker, I thought one of the big whines is about "don't you care about us, wear your mask so you don't contaminate others"? - or did I miss something. As I've said, I don't intend to get it, so the mask is tyranny to me. As far as protecting others, I haven't got it, how can I give it?

But then again I suppose some would take offense to my Come And Take It tee shirt, they'll get over it.
Nice to see and hear about people who are actually enjoying life and trying to live like normal people.

Yeah, I just heard Dr. Fauci, Falsey, or whatever his name is, is “confused” as to why cases in Texas are way down after they dropped their mask mandate.  I think he said one factor may be people are doing a lot of things outside in Texas now.  I wonder if that means he'll give the okay for people to start coming out of their houses?  Probably not, he's still predicting dire consequences for Texas opening up, he's just not real sure as to why the Virus seems to be delaying its attack while the rate of infection is higher in more well-behaved and obedient states.

I forget the timeline and details so someone can correct me, but as I recall, Falsey first told us not to wear masks because they don't help.  Then he said he lied, but we should trust him from now on when he says to wear masks.  And then weren't we to wear them for 15 days or something to "flatten the curve"?  I guess days turn into months and months into eons.  Initially I think the idea was that we were to wear masks largely to protect ourselves, but then people realized it is easier to shame people into protecting others, so that became their focus. 

Even if masks were effective it doesn't seem reasonable to make people who have had the virus and those who have been vaccinated, and are thus presumably immune for at least some time, to continue to wear masks and hide under their beds.  It seems I heard it's even questionable if someone with no symptoms could spread it.  But then again, I guess they will shame you for making others feel uncomfortable because they don't know you have antibodies and/or aren't ill and should be safe.


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« Reply #1129 on: April 07, 2021, 07:17:04 PM »
I don't allow anyone to shame me for anything, end of subject.

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« Reply #1130 on: April 08, 2021, 12:41:51 AM »
Agreed.  People who do allow themselves to be manipulated will find that it never stops.

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« Reply #1132 on: April 15, 2021, 03:19:38 PM »
Bunty, have you heard of anyone having problems after they took the vaccine?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/JJUpdate.html

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« Reply #1133 on: April 16, 2021, 02:24:16 PM »
New studies being released showing that the immune system of people who have had covid have a long lasting natural immunity is great news. Combining all the people who have had covid with those who have received the vaccinations is a large enough number that hopefully this will soon be a bad memory in our rear view mirror. Now if they focus on those who have not had covid to receive a vaccination we can hurry this along. Best of wishes for everyone!

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« Reply #1134 on: April 17, 2021, 03:20:03 AM »
Bunty, have you heard of anyone having problems after they took the vaccine?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/JJUpdate.html

Not locally.

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« Reply #1135 on: April 17, 2021, 09:09:07 PM »
I took a long nap the afternoon after i got my second. I told the nurse the list of side effects (joint aches, fatigue, etc.) were identical to old age.... 😆. Everyone in my family has gotten either the Pfizer or the Moderna with little to no side effects (we are over 60). I would go with the Pfizer because its numbers are better.

What makes me sad is there are so many that bought into the hoaxes on Fakebook. Now that there might be a need for a booster next year they are trying to use that as proof that this is either a hoax or the vaccine is poison or nonsense like that. I told one that he is the reason a booster will be needed and i hope he didn't bring it home and kill his wife, kids and parents. Luckily he read a story in the news about that happening to a family and went and got vaccinated.

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« Reply #1136 on: April 17, 2021, 10:16:54 PM »
What makes me sad is there are so many that bought into the hoaxes on Fakebook.
You kiddin' me? Half the country is oblivious to what is happening in their own back yard. Exactly the way MSM, BT, SM, ect. want it.

People need to wise up....NOW.

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« Reply #1137 on: April 18, 2021, 11:34:10 AM »
You totally misunderstand what is happening. I could care less about whether you wear a mask, gloves whatever makes you happy and secure, that's called freedom, liberty. If you want to become a hypochondriac fearing the slightest breath of change, go for it. Seal your house, seal your windows, seal your doors, do it all, live in a cocoon if you like, I don't care, why? - because it's none of my business how you choose to like as long as it's within the law. And that brings us to my doorstep, it's none of your business how I live, I believe I've made my position clear on masks, anti-social distancing etc. So, you live the way you want to, but get off my lawn, it's none of your business what I believe and don't come at me with threats and shaming, it doesn't work, I was born free, I live free. 

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« Reply #1138 on: April 18, 2021, 01:28:56 PM »
Maybe you can explain why Texas and Florida have open economies and are doing just fine while Michigan and NY have draconian measures and are spiking. Here's a little something for you to wade through https://americanconservativemovement.com/2021/04/17/stanford-study-quietly-published-at-nih-gov-proves-face-masks-are-absolutely-worthless-against-covid/ Of course it's from a little known second rate organization.

So far this foolishness has cost me the opportunity to visit two uncles and a dear friend of 50 years before they died. It's cost me money, it drives my blood pressure right off the map every time I have to buy groceries and depresses me when I see small and large businesses driven out of business. The suicide rates for all ages from children to elder are up significantly and yet you want me to pretend that wearing a piece of cloth on my face is making a difference - which BTW it can't because I don't have a virus so I can't give it, but that doesn't make any difference does it?

And yes, given the opportunity, I will die free, not encumbered by a lot of pseudo science.

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« Reply #1139 on: April 18, 2021, 03:16:17 PM »
YET,  we are flooded on the media by people in congress who want us not to wear masks, gloves, they want us to pack into crowded venues and they really don't care. Maybe they figure if the right people get the virus and die, then others can take over their jobs and the employment rate goes up.
That's a big part of the problem today.  Rather than using a certain amount of reason, looking at facts, and not automatically believing everything the Socialist Pravda (MSM) says, people attack everything they don't agree with as EVIL.  "They don't care! They want us to die!"

People have been taught to be so simple minded today.  They are unable to understand concepts such as unintended consequences.  Something is right in their eyes, and anyone who disagrees is racist, sexist, or just plain evil.  Politics has even turned "science" into a joke.  "Science" is all just theory now.  Theory says everyone needs to wear a mask and live in a bomb shelter for the rest of their lives.  "Science" is no longer evidence based, people are unable to look at history or the results of their actions and see any correlation.  Their thoughts are good, so therefore they can't be wrong, and if you disagree with them, then you're bad.

I believe people are also more self-centered than ever today.  People who are on pensions with no gainful employment or much to look forward to, are telling others that they need to live as they do so that we can protect them.
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« Reply #1140 on: April 18, 2021, 03:38:41 PM »

 I think I have put in my dues over the last 53 years to be retired.  I have a lot to look forward to and I am not going to tell you what to do with your life.
BUT your inference about us retired people says a lot about the people you think you represent.   Personally I do not care if you or your posse wear masks, social distance, vaccinate or drink out of the community garden hose.

I really believe in natural selection, maybe if all of you who scream about your rights, and that you don't care,  would you please get this virus and die off and leave the rest of what is left to those who built this country, rather than you self righteous cry babies with you gun rights , your first amendment rights.

You make me sick.
Here we see a great example of the reason and compassion of the left!

I'm glad Joe (Aardvark) doesn't do any of the things he accuses others of.  :lol:  :roll:

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« Reply #1141 on: April 18, 2021, 03:53:24 PM »

 I think I have put in my dues over the last 53 years to be retired.  I have a lot to look forward to and I am not going to tell you what to do with your life.
BUT your inference about us retired people says a lot about the people you think you represent.   Personally I do not care if you or your posse wear masks, social distance, vaccinate or drink out of the community garden hose.

I really believe in natural selection, maybe if all of you who scream about your rights, and that you don't care,  would you please get this virus and die off and leave the rest of what is left to those who built this country, rather than you self righteous cry babies with you gun rights , your first amendment rights.

You make me sick.
I just want to make it clear, I am not attacking retired people, just those who don't seem to realize that there are others who need to make a living and don't have the luxury of staying home and not continuing to live their lives.

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BUT your inference about us retired people says a lot about the people you think you represent.
I'm glad you at least acknowledge that it is only an inference, as that at least helps show that you are reading into my words in order to attack rather than to reason.

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I have a lot to look forward to and I am not going to tell you what to do with your life.
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Personally I do not care if you or your posse wear masks, social distance, vaccinate or drink out of the community garden hose.
Yet all you've done is whine about and accuse those who aren't wearing masks everywhere and social distancing.  So your words mean nothing.

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« Reply #1142 on: April 18, 2021, 04:39:57 PM »
The other evening I watched a 1961 movie Judgement At Nuremberg. Burt Lancaster playing the part of one of the accused judges on trial made an impassioned speech and to paraphrase he said "how could we not know what was going on (in Germany) were we deaf, dumb, blind, how could we not know - or was it because we didn't want to know? It was a great performance and I've re-watched it several times and it says a lot about human nature and our current times. Many people don't want to know, they don't want to think for themselves, they're led like the people in cattle cars in Germany, oblivious to the reality of what is happening and being perpetrated on their basic liberties as granted by the Constitution.

You cannot prove in a court of law a single person has not died by wearing a mask. You can speculate and throw numbers around, but you can't absolutely prove with empirical proof that masks have saved a single person. But, as the Stanford article noted, it can be proven the masks are detrimental in many ways, yet we drag them along with us.

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« Reply #1143 on: April 18, 2021, 05:46:04 PM »
Do what you will, as I said, it's none of my concern until you show up at my door figuratively or actually. Otherwise I'm suffering liblexia on this thread and see no further need to continue.

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« Reply #1144 on: April 18, 2021, 06:06:30 PM »
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I really believe in natural selection, maybe if all of you who scream about your rights, and that you don't care,  would you please get this virus and die off and leave the rest of what is left to those who built this country, rather than you self righteous cry babies with you gun rights , your first amendment rights.

You make me sick.
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I believe I am no longer going to post on this thread.   Seems that it is expected I play nice and respect other peoples opinion, but then again there are those people who say cruel, mean spirited things to other people.    Don't take it personally (unless you want to) but I am done here.   I am going to head toward weather items to see if I can lend a hand to someone who needs help with something.  1993 was when I started with the weather station and that time has passed so fast and I lost some real good friends along the way, life takes them away it seems.

A last thought.   You have to decide what is best for you.  I am just going to avoid being around you if I can. 

You did not delete your message before I saw it and started responding.  I wear masks and don't really mind it much.  I keep hand sanitizer in my Jeep.  I respect folks who want to social distance from me.  I'm not one who wishes to go inside to dine-in (at the moment).  I also believe that this virus has an extremely high level of politicization blended into it...so much that I don't know if we will ever know the true severity of it.  I believe, too, that people hiding out in there "safe places" will have health and psychological issues from isolating themselves from the rest of humanity.  But, I don't want to go to a crowded ballgame, either.  To be careful is one thing, to be paranoid is another.

I've mostly just followed along in this thread,...and seeing extremes on either side.  But, I will say that by your comment above, Aardvark, where you state "...would you please get this virus and die off...", that your credibility just turned to dust.  Your user name will only be passed by without noting what you say in the future.  Difference of opinions is one thing...ill will toward others as extreme as proposing death to someone is destructive and divisive...a totalitarian view lacking human compassion.  Btw, encouraging someone to die off...seems that's kind of nasty to say to someone.  I wish you well and hopefully a more loving heart towards your fellow man. 

Lastly I want to address an small comment that you made.  I believe in our Constitution.  "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  December 15, 1791  It has stood the test of time for over 230 years.  It is not to be interpreted but is a literal statement.  Those who defend the Constitution and freedom of the USA are definitely not cry babies.

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« Reply #1145 on: April 18, 2021, 06:48:41 PM »
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I really believe in natural selection, maybe if all of you who scream about your rights, and that you don't care,  would you please get this virus and die off and leave the rest of what is left to those who built this country, rather than you self righteous cry babies with you gun rights , your first amendment rights.

You make me sick.
  Those who defend the Constitution and freedom of the USA are definitely not cry babies.
No, we're not. I swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States not just once, but twice, and considered it an honor and privilege to do so. It is under unprecedented attack to be turned into nothing more than toilet paper. They obviously know we're too stoopid to see the truth.

BTW, we make you sick? Sounds like you have the bases covered already as is by yourself. Go hunker down with Joey in the basement....exactly where you/they want us all to be.

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« Reply #1146 on: April 18, 2021, 06:59:57 PM »
Some food for thought.  The study with the claims of non-efficacy regarding masks was a "theoretical hypothesis", and was deemed false/misleading here, yet widely spread by posts and some media.

A pandemic is an emergency, and we should do all we can to avoid spreading the disease to one another.  Yes, your 'liberty' might be impinged for the good of the larger society.  The sooner we curtail the spread, the less impact on the health care infrastructure, and then we can return to normal interactions.  Now, minimizing contact with people outside your household, minimizing droplet spread by distancing and masking when outside your household, and hand sanitizing are what we can do for each other while we wait for the vaccinated percentage to stop the spread.

That such simple public health items can be so vehemently resisted/politicized is something I don't understand.   
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« Reply #1147 on: April 18, 2021, 07:17:28 PM »
That such simple public health items can be so vehemently resisted/politicized is something I don't understand.
Because "Dr." Fauci is a nothing more than a political mouth piece that say what his "handlers" tell him to say and craves the limelight. He's waffled more than IHOP. Isn't it funny that the "left" states that are still locked down are continually seeing the jump while the "red" states have kids in school, no mask requirement, ect. and life is "somewhat" returning to normal and Covid is dropping like a rock. Hmmmm...now that sounds like science to me, and you'll be hard pressed to see MSM telling it "like it is". It's not the narrative. It's not control.

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« Reply #1148 on: April 18, 2021, 07:18:28 PM »
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I really believe in natural selection, maybe if all of you who scream about your rights, and that you don't care,  would you please get this virus and die off and leave the rest of what is left to those who built this country, rather than you self righteous cry babies with you gun rights , your first amendment rights.

You make me sick.
  Those who defend the Constitution and freedom of the USA are definitely not cry babies.
No, we're not. I swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States not just once, but twice, and considered it an honor and privilege to do so. It is under unprecedented attack to be turned into nothing more than toilet paper. They obviously know we're too stoopid to see the truth.

BTW, we make you sick? Sounds like you have the bases covered already as is by yourself. Go hunker down with Joey in the basement....exactly where you/they want us all to be.
I would rather be in the basement with the President than hosting super spreaders,  telling lies, and encouraging supporters to go kill capitol police doing their jobs.   I want you do do your job and be outside on the front lines, in the thick of it all. 

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« Reply #1149 on: April 18, 2021, 07:18:48 PM »
"Yes, your 'liberty' might be impinged for the good of the larger society" Wow, that has a chilling ring to it, for the "greater good" of the people, I think that was addressed nicely in the movie I just mentioned - "for love of country" as it was said then.

You are kidding about quoting politifact as a credible source? - like I said, liblexia.

 

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