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New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« on: March 20, 2024, 11:09:49 AM »
Came in this morning and set it up before going to work. CWOP uploads just fine. Just for the heck of it I tried Ambientweather but get a network error.:
Error: Ambient Weather Network: INVALID

Not a big deal but is this still supported?
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2024, 05:03:00 PM »
Aren't Ambient Weather the ones that market the rebadged WeatherBridge and then offer subscriptions to upload to their system?

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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2024, 05:37:25 PM »
Aren't Ambient Weather the ones that market the rebadged WeatherBridge and then offer subscriptions to upload to their system?

Yes but backwards- I think it's metrobridge > Weatherbridge

I contacted Ambient support- they are not sure what is wrong but are looking into it.  Not a super big deal as primary reason was to use for cwop and it is working fine. Well fine as uploading and showing up on aprs.fi and find.u etc. Still have to make sure my data is correct.

Before anyone laughs at my choice, I will say that reasons I went with Weatherbridge over Metrobridge was because:

After reading this forum for the last month I came to the impression that Ecowitt would not be where they are today without Ambient as a customer so that is my way of giving some support.

It's also "ready to go" where the PI version requires an industrial SD card and I thought that would take a month to get that in. Well I come home about 10 min ago and find it's waiting for me.  That's ok nothing wrong with having a backup :)






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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2024, 05:46:25 PM »
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After reading this forum for the last month I came to the impression that Ecowitt would not be where they are today without Ambient as a customer so that is my way of giving some support

That may have some validity early on. But the Ecowitt brand is global, where as Ambient Weather is , well, not really. Also AW support has taken a nose dive, and their costs for the same equipment is excessive without value added.  May also be a why a lot of us that started with AW equipment, well, now just buy Ecowitt for the same thing. Also there is the increased attention to firmware and availability of new sensors etc.

I wish AW the best, but it is not what it was, not since they got bought out.
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2024, 06:35:47 PM »
Aren't Ambient Weather the ones that market the rebadged WeatherBridge and then offer subscriptions to upload to their system?

Yes but backwards- I think it's metrobridge > Weatherbridge

I contacted Ambient support- they are not sure what is wrong but are looking into it.  Not a super big deal as primary reason was to use for cwop and it is working fine. Well fine as uploading and showing up on aprs.fi and find.u etc. Still have to make sure my data is correct.

Before anyone laughs at my choice, I will say that reasons I went with Weatherbridge over Metrobridge was because:

After reading this forum for the last month I came to the impression that Ecowitt would not be where they are today without Ambient as a customer so that is my way of giving some support.

It's also "ready to go" where the PI version requires an industrial SD card and I thought that would take a month to get that in. Well I come home about 10 min ago and find it's waiting for me.  That's ok nothing wrong with having a backup :)
I'm not sure you have fully understood the Meteobridge/Weatherbridge concept and its history. Apart from the repurposed routers all other versions of the Meteobridge (and Ambient took the repurposed router version as their first Weatherbridge and nowadays the Meteobridge Pro2 as Weatherbridge Pro2), all MB appliances plus the RPi variant need industrial SLC storage - and that for good reasons - because most other SD cards do not survive the frequent write I/Os to the database for a long time.
Complaining about the need for an industrial SLC SD card shows not proper understanding.
By the way, the new MBPro2/WeatherbridgePro2 comes with a 16 GB industrial SLC SD card - ooops.

The Ambient invalid issue is on the Ambient end. It's not the first time that this happens. When you can show that it's a valid Ambient purchase, Ambient support will (have to) sort this out for you.
When they sell the piece, the MAC address of the machine qualifies for an Ambient license. With a RPi you can buy this license in addition to the Meteobridge license if you find that being allowed to post to ambientweather.net is worth it. (Ambient do not sell the MB on RPi version - even though it's the solution with the highest performance, if performance is an issue). For just one  little Ecowitt weather station with basic sensors only, that would properly be technological overkill.

And regarding the Weatherbridge - Ambient is just a reseller for a splendid product under their own brand name. Apart from putting their brand name on it, there is no merit from the Ambient end involved.

That's another historical misunderstanding - that it was Ambient who made Ecowitt big - the other way around would be more appropriate - even though Ambient do not sell Fine Offset / Ecowitt clone weather stations only. Only when the tail wags with the dog this narrative works.
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2024, 07:15:23 PM »
Oh I was not complaining about the requirement for the industrial SD, just the time to get one delivered. I ran my home automation on a pi for several years and would wear out the SD card about every 3 months. I switched over to an intel nuc for that very reason.
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2024, 07:22:02 PM »
Oh I was not complaining about the requirement for the industrial SD, just the time to get one delivered. I ran my home automation on a pi for several years and would wear out the SD card about every 3 months. I switched over to an intel nuc for that very reason.
in the US Mouser or Arrows should (normally) deliver rather fast.
And a 32 GB Western Digital (or nowadays SanDisk) industrial SLC microSD is about 30 USD - and an Intel NUC significantly more expensive...
Economically a RPi with an industrial SLC microSD would imo be the better choice.
You can also attach a SSD to a RPi4B, even get it boot from the SSD ...
Can repurpose a SSD which has grown too small, but has more than enough space for a weather server.
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2024, 07:35:15 PM »
It was about $38 for 16g Sandisk industrial delivered from Mouser. They were out of the 32 gig version. They used to be very slow so I surprised it only took a few days to get here.

Of course that would be a waste of $$$ to buy a nuc just for home automation. It's a proxmox server than runs the Home automation software, Windows 10 and Linux VM's and whatever else I need. 

Trust me, I am a cheep skate and get my money's worth out of my hardware :)
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2024, 08:10:03 PM »
Oh I was not complaining about the requirement for the industrial SD, just the time to get one delivered. I ran my home automation on a pi for several years and would wear out the SD card about every 3 months. I switched over to an intel nuc for that very reason.

I got an SLC card from Amazon in two days.
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2024, 08:26:02 PM »
Hi Jim,
You are the first other ham I have met here on WXforum. Fletch, N4SZO here on the Gulf coast between FLA and MS. Just got back on the air a few years ago after many years away(got my lic when I was a kid) . Just learning APRS now and trying to figure everything out....

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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2024, 08:54:39 PM »
It was about $38 for 16g Sandisk industrial delivered from Mouser.....

For the size sounds cheap for an SLC? Some of the so called "Industrial" cards are only TLC hence the cost differences to that of true SLC technology.


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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2024, 07:53:24 AM »
that's one of the supported models ....
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2024, 09:03:32 AM »
When I received my meteobridge 4+ years ago it did nothing.
Very long story short, it came with the wrong license number.

Ed and his team worked on this at AW. Took several days to sort out. They had to reach out to a guy in Germany, think his name was Boris.
After about a week I had the return boxed up ready to ship. AW had another unit tested and ready to ship to me. Then AW sent me proper AW License and bingo it worked.

  Back in the day of good customer service from AW. Can't say the same today.
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2024, 10:04:49 AM »
theoretically it could end up that way (Boris is the inventor of the MB concept, the hardware manufacturer [MB Pro, MB Pro2, NANO, NANO SD] and the developer of the related software) and he probably shares a set of valid licenses with Ambient - and vice versa as Ambient has to approve the license for their website.
So, Ambient support should have access to valid license keys which cover both: the general Meteobridge license and the ambientweather.net license. Normally a Meteobridge comes with the Meteobridge license only.
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2024, 04:19:39 PM »
I have not heard back from them in 2 days so I just sent them a reminder.

It is kind of ironic & amusing that my Ambient Weatherbridge works fine out of the box with 3rd party services but not Ambient's own weather service.


But I do like the software and it's working great with CWOP so that's the main thing.
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2024, 04:34:05 PM »
Curious here. In the WB / License Tab; Does it say - license Key activated (ambientweather-xxxxx)?
If not, this could be the issue. My original license did not say AW. Thus, my weeklong saga.  And noteworthy, AW net was the first thing I tried and it failed. Don't think I ever tried any other sites for weather at that time.

Also, are you are putting in the Mac address of the WB in the AW. net Devices?

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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2024, 05:11:06 PM »
I think I am good there:


License
License Key: activated (ambientweather-xxxxx)
Includes access to new releases until: 2026-03-20

I wonder what else it could be?
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2024, 05:27:46 PM »
Sure you are putting in the correct Mac address of the WB in the AW. net
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2024, 05:38:47 PM »
Can you give me more details.  I did not see anything about that in the documentation and not sure what you are referring to.
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2024, 05:38:53 PM »
I think I am good there:


License
License Key: activated (ambientweather-xxxxx)
Includes access to new releases until: 2026-03-20

I wonder what else it could be?

Please check the Mac address of your Meteobridge on the System -> Information tab
It is the second box labelled Network, first item MAC:

Copy that string to your "Ambient Weather Ulpoad" upload settings on the tab -> Weather Nets
Make sure that all characters including the : are correct.
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2024, 05:44:37 PM »
AW needs the MAC address of the WB. Is that correct? Plus what wvdkuil posted.

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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2024, 05:55:59 PM »
I think I am good there:


License
License Key: activated (ambientweather-xxxxx)
Includes access to new releases until: 2026-03-20

I wonder what else it could be?

Please check the Mac address of your Meteobridge on the System -> Information tab
It is the second box labelled Network, first item MAC:

Copy that string to your "Ambient Weather Ulpoad" upload settings on the tab -> Weather Nets
Make sure that all characters including the : are correct.

OK it will not let me edit that area- but the mac is correct.
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2024, 06:05:54 PM »
AW needs the MAC address of the WB. Is that correct? Plus what wvdkuil posted.

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I am guessing that is what they are supposed to be doing. I have no access to the net yet.
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Re: New Weatherbridge works with CWOP but not AmbientWeather
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2024, 06:18:56 PM »
AW needs the MAC address of the WB. Is that correct? Plus what wvdkuil posted.

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I am guessing that is what they are supposed to be doing. I have no access to the net yet.

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Update: please confirm you have an AW . net account with the WB listed as a weather station. With the correct Mac address you have now for the WB.
If you have not completed this you need to do so.
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1-HP10 2-WH45 4-WH55 5-WH51
1-WN30 1-WH41

1-DAVIS 7714
1-STRATUS
1-Fisher Barometer 1436R-22
PWS at 2 locations.
1- Storm Sensor-Zelda the dog ;)

 

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