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In a missive this morning (full announcement here) they say
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Subject: Static Radar Image Files Temporarily Suspended on
         EMWIN Services, Effective December 16, 2020
         
On or about December 16, 2020, NWS is temporaily suspending 10
static Radar Image files sent over the Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite (GOES)
-East and West High Rate Information Transmission (HRIT) /
Emergency Managers Weather Information Network (EMWIN) satellite broadcast on virtual channel 21.
These products are published on the enterprise EMWIN File Transfer Protocol (FTP) archive file server.

The products will be  suspended pending completion of the NWS migration to the new Ridge 2
radar product generation services.   
The suspended Radar products are listed/documented under Title-03 through 12,
in the EMWIN Image and Text Data Capture Catalog:
https://www.weather.gov/media/emwin/EMWIN_Image_and_Text_Data_Capture_Catalog_v1.3b_r180817.pdf

The static Radar Image files should return to the EMWIN services by February 26, 2021.
NWS will send an updated Service Change Notice when the suspended static Radar files
have been reinstated on the EMWIN services.

In the interim and effective on or about December 16, 2020, Users may
obtain Ridge 2 static radar image files for individual radar sites
at the following Ridge 2 services URL:  https://radar.weather.gov/ridge/lite/

The Title-03 to Title-12 images are the regional composite radar images that are used in the USA-regional-maps-inc.php Version 1.00 - 10-Jun-2020 to provide a regional composite radar image.  The URLs used by the script are:
Code: [Select]
$NWSregions = array(
# NOAA regional loops
 'ak' => 'Alaska|https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/Loop/alaskaLoop.gif',
 'nw' => 'Northwest|https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/Loop/pacnorthwest_loop.gif',
 'nr' => 'Northern Rockies|https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/Loop/northrockies_loop.gif',
 'nm' => 'North Mississippi Valley|https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/Loop/uppermissvly_loop.gif',
 'nc' => 'Central Great Lakes|https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/Loop/centgrtlakes_loop.gif',
 'ne' => 'Northeast|https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/Loop/northeast_loop.gif',
 'hi' => 'Hawaii|https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/Loop/hawaiiLoop.gif',
 'sw' => 'Southwest|https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/Loop/pacsouthwest_loop.gif',
 'sr' => 'Southern Rockies|https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/Loop/southrockies_loop.gif',
 'sc' => 'Southern Plains|https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/Loop/southplains_loop.gif',
 'sm' => 'South Mississippi Valley|https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/Loop/southmissvly_loop.gif',
 'se' => 'Southeast|https://radar.weather.gov/Conus/Loop/southeast_loop.gif',
);
while the individual images in the PDF data description doc are slightly different and comprise one frame of the loop .gif files we use.  I'm guessing that their discontinuation of the individual frame composite will also lead to discontinue of the loop .gif for the region (as it won't have images to consolidate/animate).

Their link to the https://radar.weather.gov/ridge/lite/ collection sadly does not include composite regional images (only individual radar site images and animated .gif loop).  So.. I'll be working up a change to the USA-regional-maps-inc.php V1.00 for Base-USA Saratoga templates tomorrow when I see what is fully available...
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Re: NWS to discontinue some composite regional radar images temporarily...
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2021, 01:26:04 PM »
New SCN from the fine folks at NOAA.  Looks like they're behind schedule (shocking... :roll: ) on the rollout of the new static radar image files.  The notice pushes back the rollout indefinitely.

https://www.weather.gov/media/notification/pdf2/scn20-117radar_emwinaaa.pdf

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Subject: Updated: Static Radar Image Files Temporarily Suspended on EMWIN Services, Effective December 16, 2020

Updated to correct the date for the return of the Static Radar Image Files on the EMWIN services from February 26, 2021, to a date to be determined...

Sigh...
« Last Edit: February 24, 2021, 01:27:36 PM by K6GKM »
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The regional images are back however, they seem to be the "lite" versions and don't look all that great IMHO.

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The animations are too brisk for my taste and contain no pause to indicate the start/end of the loop.  Sheesh!

To me, this isn't much better than nothing.
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The purpose of an animation is to to judge the exact time of arrival of the rain, based on proper animation length and spacing between frames.  The new weather.gov radar does not understand radar animation, zoom, necessary resolution modulation depending on the zoom levels.

A good rule of thumb is 1 hour of animation per 45 mile radar radius.  A 45 mile radius would likely be fine with a frame per every 5 minutes and a 1 hour duration, with street block wide resolution and a good street map underlay.... On the contrary, a 600 mile wide radar is best with lower resolution, since I do not want to waste data on weather 5 states away. Also a 600 mile radar should be 12 hours of animation, and the frame lapse should be a half hour, or even 1 hour, to best allow me to measure the screen and see the exact eta. .. A 220 mile radius, might need a higher resolution, but not granular, and 5 hours of animation, stepped at 20 minutes per frame.

Now, because convection is like watching a ghost, as it can appear or disappear, this is why we need maps.  Psi, total index, cape, humidity, etc.

I live and die by the accuracy of a weather forecast. I get up consult 13 different ones and get 11 answers which differ enough to boink my day planning.  This is why I consult my favorite 40, 60 to 120 weather images and products.   Since the invention of the Hrrr, accuracy, in my book, has lowered because no one is using their skills to override erroneous data and modeling.

Currently, my web site and cache is really missing intelligent animations.  Remember:1 hour per 45 miles.  3 zoom levels 600 miles radius, 220 mile radius, and 40 to 60 miles. With respective increasing resolution and frame chop.   

Data is everything. I travel all over the corner of my state, and I can tell you that cell speed is not always good. I carry a dual sim att and t-mobile phone. T-mobile speed is the worst unless you are close to a tower. I also carry a spare sprint phone with 1 gig of data per month. And one Verizon phone which charges me an arm and a leg per 100 megabytes.  ... The weather dot gov new radar loads my 7 states away from my location and shoves high resolution 50 minute loop down my narrow cell pipes. Then when I drag the radar to my county and zoom, it is not quite up to the resolution of what I am used to.   The 50 minutes of animation is not enough to tell anything about rain systems. Not the organization, not the speed, or eta. Useless.

I had to leave the job several times in the last few weeks, due to false rain predictions. And twice, I had rain wash off the paint, when no rain predicted.... I am using AccuWeather, dupage, and PSU, as well as the weather.com, among others. I am not a happy camper.

The Javascript must end too.  I just need to either hotlink a a gif to my home screen of my phone, else embed it along side 40 other weather products that I am interested  in. I have no interest in commercial weather pages. Their model is to give you as little as possible information per page and per per advertisement. Click bait.

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I just need to either hotlink a a gif to my home screen of my phone, else embed it along side 40 other weather products that I am interested  in. I have no interest in commercial weather pages. Their model is to give you as little as possible information per page and per per advertisement. Click bait.
Been experimenting with a Win 10 version of a phone app... something I hate to fool with...but anything's better then what NOAA's come up with lately...https://frankfortweather.us/01RadarFKT.php

I'll try to keep active cells from some radar tracked today, rather than leave on a fixed site, no guarantees however to observe... but here's a screen shot example
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I just need to either hotlink a a gif to my home screen of my phone, else embed it along side 40 other weather products that I am interested  in. I have no interest in commercial weather pages. Their model is to give you as little as possible information per page and per per advertisement. Click bait.
Been experimenting with a Win 10 version of a phone app... something I hate to fool with...but anything's better then what NOAA's come up with lately...https://frankfortweather.us/01RadarFKT.php

I'll try to keep active cells from some radar tracked today, rather than leave on a fixed site, no guarantees however to observe... but here's a screen shot example

RadarScope? 

I wonder what their source ftp or http site for their radars .

The frankfort rad isn't working currently.

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https://radar.weather.gov/ridge/lite/KCLE_loop.gif is 400k too large

This is a joke. A sick joke.  It looks like a kindergarten child created this radar.

 I can create a much higher resolution radar of the same area that stretches 6 hours, in 150k.

First you find a good source. Grab a version every xx minutes using a dos batch script or else autohotkey.  Then you crop your geographic region, animate the images, and compress with imagemagick .  I use ImageMagick-7.0.6-Q8.    Then you upload it to your website with a script.

I no longer use png, gif, nor jpg.  Webp is half the size of jpg, and is supported by microsoft edge, Chrome, firefox, Opera, vivaldi, brave, etc., etc. .... Frankly, I would use bpg, which is half the size of webp, and is supported in all browsers if you add a javascript in the html webpage.    I only don't use bpg because it looked like a day of time to modify all my scripts.  webp is seemless.  JPG is dead.   


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I just need to either hotlink a a gif to my home screen of my phone, else embed it along side 40 other weather products that I am interested  in. I have no interest in commercial weather pages. Their model is to give you as little as possible information per page and per per advertisement. Click bait.
Been experimenting with a Win 10 version of a phone app... something I hate to fool with...but anything's better then what NOAA's come up with lately...https://frankfortweather.us/01RadarFKT.php

I'll try to keep active cells from some radar tracked today, rather than leave on a fixed site, no guarantees however to observe... but here's a screen shot example

RadarScope? 

I wonder what their source ftp or http site for their radars .

The frankfort rad isn't working currently.
It's working, but my lashup to get it on HTTPS breaks the lock. In effect an http non-ssl stream.  Enable mixed media  for that page, if your device allows it. I've got Pittsburg selected ... no activity much around the FKT area, as yet today.     Sources Allison House. Yep, app costs $29 for lifetime, and I'm using tier one at $9 Yearly.  Figured it worth a try, though getting on website live is creative right now.
https://www.dtn.com/radarscope-4-0/
 


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webp?  Does EVERYTHING have to be Googliezed these days?  Talk about absurd greed.