Topic: ASOS/AWOS Accuracy

[hofpwx]

I believe it was Margret Thatcher that said, "socialism is fine til you run out of other people's money".

Never truer words spoken, and some still never learn.

The US is less than 2% of the total surface area of the Earth so the socialists aren’t doing it right.

You said it.

The strategy is so subtle it’s undetectable.

[CW2274]

I believe it was Margret Thatcher that said, "socialism is fine til you run out of other people's money".

Never truer words spoken, and some still never learn.

The US is less than 2% of the total surface area of the Earth so the socialists aren’t doing it right.

You said it.

The strategy is so subtle it’s undetectable.

That's what it is! 

[CW2274]

I believe it was Margret Thatcher that said, "socialism is fine til you run out of other people's money".

Never truer words spoken, and some still never learn.

Also what Margaret Thatcher said:
https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/107346

So?

Just noting her acceptance and concern about environmental issues including climate change.

So?

[ValentineWeather]

What I worry about besides the direction we are heading is what I'll call the Globalist sensor calibration. I trust the feds about as far as I can throw them.  I even work for them doing Coop and snow measurements. Doesn't stop me from bringing up something that doesn't look right. Someone has to call it out, if we don't, who will?  Most people are clueless.

[hofpwx]

What I worry about besides the direction we are heading is what I'll call the Globalist sensor calibration. I trust the feds about as far as I can throw them.  I even work for them doing Coop and snow measurements. Doesn't stop me from bringing up something that doesn't look right. Someone has to call it out, if we don't, who will?  Most people are clueless.

Please do make sure the data being collected are correct. That's important.
I'd like to know more about this "Globalist sensor calibration".

[ValentineWeather]

What I worry about besides the direction we are heading is what I'll call the Globalist sensor calibration. I trust the feds about as far as I can throw them.  I even work for them doing Coop and snow measurements. Doesn't stop me from bringing up something that doesn't look right. Someone has to call it out, if we don't, who will?  Most people are clueless.

Please do make sure the data being collected are correct. That's important.
I'd like to know more about this "Globalist sensor calibration".

Do I have to spell it out for you? Geez! The Globalist weapon of choice is climate warming. Anyone that's been paying attention would know that. Of course, you do have those that just gobble it blindly.

[hofpwx]

What I worry about besides the direction we are heading is what I'll call the Globalist sensor calibration. I trust the feds about as far as I can throw them.  I even work for them doing Coop and snow measurements. Doesn't stop me from bringing up something that doesn't look right. Someone has to call it out, if we don't, who will?  Most people are clueless.

Please do make sure the data being collected are correct. That's important.
I'd like to know more about this "Globalist sensor calibration".

Do I have to spell it out for you? Geez! The Globalist weapon of choice is climate warming. Anyone that's been paying attention would know that. Of course, you do have those that just gobble it blindly.

I can't respond rationally because that's not a rational view.

[ValentineWeather]

What I worry about besides the direction we are heading is what I'll call the Globalist sensor calibration. I trust the feds about as far as I can throw them.  I even work for them doing Coop and snow measurements. Doesn't stop me from bringing up something that doesn't look right. Someone has to call it out, if we don't, who will?  Most people are clueless.

Please do make sure the data being collected are correct. That's important.
I'd like to know more about this "Globalist sensor calibration".

Do I have to spell it out for you? Geez! The Globalist weapon of choice is climate warming. Anyone that's been paying attention would know that. Of course, you do have those that just gobble it blindly.

I can't respond rationally because that's not a rational view.

It's very rational, just not in your opinion. I'm done too, no reason to discuss further with someone that's swallowed it hook, line and sinker and the only reason I can see you're here is to defend your globalist agenda.

[hofpwx]

What I worry about besides the direction we are heading is what I'll call the Globalist sensor calibration. I trust the feds about as far as I can throw them.  I even work for them doing Coop and snow measurements. Doesn't stop me from bringing up something that doesn't look right. Someone has to call it out, if we don't, who will?  Most people are clueless.

Please do make sure the data being collected are correct. That's important.
I'd like to know more about this "Globalist sensor calibration".

Do I have to spell it out for you? Geez! The Globalist weapon of choice is climate warming. Anyone that's been paying attention would know that. Of course, you do have those that just gobble it blindly.

I can't respond rationally because that's not a rational view.

It's very rational, just not in your opinion. I'm done too, no reason to discuss further with someone that's swallowed it hook, line and sinker and the only reason I can see you're here is to defend your globalist agenda.

What you're really arguing is that actions to address climate change aren't to your liking, so you try to work backwards and claim that climate science is corrupt because it shows that we're changing the climate.
Or something like that. I've never really understood how the argument goes.

[DoctorKnow]

The actions that have been taken have done NOTHING to cool the weather. It is as hot as it has always been, and the humidity has been off the charts every summer, and all summer, but years ago it would not be humid all the time. Shutting off natural resources is one of the stupidest things anyone could do. Opening a border for people to flood in certainly isn't going to cool off the country.

[drew1021]

What I worry about besides the direction we are heading is what I'll call the Globalist sensor calibration. I trust the feds about as far as I can throw them.  I even work for them doing Coop and snow measurements. Doesn't stop me from bringing up something that doesn't look right. Someone has to call it out, if we don't, who will?  Most people are clueless.

Hey Randy, is this a term you coined or something that I’m totally unaware of? Seems like it would be hard to prove, especially on a global basis. However it could make sense considering funding is coming from the government.

[drew1021]

The actions that have been taken have done NOTHING to cool the weather. It is as hot as it has always been, and the humidity has been off the charts every summer, and all summer, but years ago it would not be humid all the time. Shutting off natural resources is one of the stupidest things anyone could do. Opening a border for people to flood in certainly isn't going to cool off the country.

Yeah and they never will. I believe the warming we’re experiencing currently may be attributed to above normal water temperatures around the globe. Why are the oceans warming? Maybe volcanic activity deep within the oceans?

[hofpwx]

The actions that have been taken have done NOTHING to cool the weather. It is as hot as it has always been, and the humidity has been off the charts every summer, and all summer, but years ago it would not be humid all the time. Shutting off natural resources is one of the stupidest things anyone could do. Opening a border for people to flood in certainly isn't going to cool off the country.

You've noted that it's more humid than it used to be - that's a clue. No-one has been "shutting off natural resources". And the US can't get "cooler" all by itself - the atmosphere doesn't have borders.

[hofpwx]

The actions that have been taken have done NOTHING to cool the weather. It is as hot as it has always been, and the humidity has been off the charts every summer, and all summer, but years ago it would not be humid all the time. Shutting off natural resources is one of the stupidest things anyone could do. Opening a border for people to flood in certainly isn't going to cool off the country.

Yeah and they never will. I believe the warming we’re experiencing currently may be attributed to above normal water temperatures around the globe. Why are the oceans warming? Maybe volcanic activity deep within the oceans?

Heat flux through the crust is far too small and changes far too slowly to account for the observed changes in ocean temperature.

[TheBushPilot]

I don't know if sensor calibration has anything to do with the trends we have observed in the last however many years. As far as I am aware there are no ulterior motives with instrument calibration. In fact many are quite rigorous with what is deemed passing and what isn't. Many accredited facilities have an unbroken chain of calibrated equipment traceable to the NIST. Whether the instrument is placed in a climatologically valid location for measurement is up for debate. I think that is more of the issue in my opinion. Take ASOS, some of those sites are horrifically sited and yet readings recorded as gospel despite the many glaring issues a particular installation may have.

I know there is a US climatological survey taking place which utilize multiple stable RTDs and 076B FARS at any given site. However, those sites were installed in the early 2000s.

The climate change argument is compelling but I'm still not sold on any one particular cause. I question measurement method validity for times prior to modern era before we really perfected blocking the sun from a thermometer in any given location. And even so we still have issues with these commercially available shields.


Cheers

[hofpwx]

I don't know if sensor calibration has anything to do with the trends we have observed in the last however many years. As far as I am aware there are no ulterior motives with instrument calibration. In fact many are quite rigorous with what is deemed passing and what isn't. Many accredited facilities have an unbroken chain of calibrated equipment traceable to the NIST. Whether the instrument is placed in a climatologically valid location for measurement is up for debate. I think that is more of the issue in my opinion. Take ASOS, some of those sites are horrifically sited and yet readings recorded as gospel despite the many glaring issues a particular installation may have.

I know there is a US climatological survey taking place which utilize multiple stable RTDs and 076B FARS at any given site. However, those sites were installed in the early 2000s.

Thus the reason for the USCRN. It also allows for testing corrections that compensate for the various biases from station data.

The climate change argument is compelling but I'm still not sold on any one particular cause. I question measurement method validity for times prior to modern era before we really perfected blocking the sun from a thermometer in any given location. And even so we still have issues with these commercially available shields.

There are many more types of observations than just station-based land near-surface temperature that confirm the theory.

[txagwx]

I did a comparison of FFC vs ATL and it definitely reads cooler now, this is ATL-FFC plot, and you can see the discontinuity when the station was put online.