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OK thank you Rover1822 i think i found the problem the array had a couple of mm of ice over it the after removing it and only been 30 mins the solar is up to 1.3k and the cap voltage is already up to 3.5v i will monitor it over the next few days ..... if i get the heater working will that stop ice build up on top of the array or is it too far from the heater to do that?Thank YouMartin