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Ambient Weather Station Beta Testers needed :)
« on: July 17, 2021, 04:54:42 AM »
Hey Guys!

Any Ambient weather station owners willing to help me out!

I have published a free services for virtual weather stations and would like to get this working for Ambient Weather Stations but I don't have one to test with.

If you have one and are willing to help me out that would be great.  Just head over to https://www.weatherwizz.com and setup a new account then navigate to {Setup Ambient Weather Station BETA TESTERS} where I have left the instructions. 

Thanks a million :)


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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2021, 05:38:53 AM »
Does it need to be an Ambient console, or will it also work for other FineOffset clone consoles ? Which consoles does your solution support ? What interface is needed given CumulusMX and Meteobridge work with your solution ?
Is it a direct console to application communication or do you need another software mediator like CumulusMX, Meteobridge, (weewx ?) ?

I guess what you call a virtual console it what others call template, skin, web page(s), web UI etc. (like the examples you find under the web link in my signature) - just to make the wording clear.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2021, 05:45:04 AM by Gyvate »
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2021, 06:26:40 AM »
Hi!

I still await the verification link - but the corresponding mail does not seem to arrive here.
Maybe the automatic registration is not working correctly?

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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2021, 06:48:17 AM »
Hi!

I still await the verification link - but the corresponding mail does not seem to arrive here.
Maybe the automatic registration is not working correctly?

Oliver

Thank Oliver,

Just checked the email was sent but looks like your server is delaying it.  Got this response.

Email was deferred due to the following reason(s): [IPs were throttled by recipient server]

it's still trying to send the mail.

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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2021, 06:49:27 AM »
Hi Oliver,

I have just verified the account for you, so you should be able to login now.

Cheers!

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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2021, 07:04:08 AM »
Hey Gyvate,

I am happy to implement as many consoles/software as possible, there are just so many and almost all of them do things differently.

The solution supports HTTP post method, which is why CumulusMX and Meteobridge work well because they both have the ability to push their data to a 3rd party server. So basically if the console can post/push http data then I can support it, I just need to know what the parameters are so I know what data I am expecting to receive from the device.

Thanks for the tips on the various ways people describe these things.

My main purpose for building this is because I have a Davis console which is great when I am in that room, but I wanted to be able to have multiple consoles all running and showing me the same data so that no matter where I was I could see my weather data, especially during storms where I didn't want to be running back and forth to the Davis console to check how much rain I was getting.  So I designed virtual consoles to display real time data updated every 5 seconds.

Does the FineOffset console support uploading to 3rd party via http or some other method?



Does it need to be an Ambient console, or will it also work for other FineOffset clone consoles ? Which consoles does your solution support ? What interface is needed given CumulusMX and Meteobridge work with your solution ?
Is it a direct console to application communication or do you need another software mediator like CumulusMX, Meteobridge, (weewx ?) ?

I guess what you call a virtual console it what others call template, skin, web page(s), web UI etc. (like the examples you find under the web link in my signature) - just to make the wording clear.

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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2021, 07:18:54 AM »
Here is a few screen shots of WeatherWizz, this is why I call it a console.  Because it's not designed for collecting data or showing graphs it's designed to be readable at 10 feet away so I can glance at it and see what the outdoor temp is or how much rain I have had.

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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2021, 07:42:34 AM »
Hey Gyvate,

I am happy to implement as many consoles/software as possible, there are just so many and almost all of them do things differently.

The solution supports HTTP post method, which is why CumulusMX and Meteobridge work well because they both have the ability to push their data to a 3rd party server. So basically if the console can post/push http data then I can support it, I just need to know what the parameters are so I know what data I am expecting to receive from the device.

Thanks for the tips on the various ways people describe these things.

My main purpose for building this is because I have a Davis console which is great when I am in that room, but I wanted to be able to have multiple consoles all running and showing me the same data so that no matter where I was I could see my weather data, especially during storms where I didn't want to be running back and forth to the Davis console to check how much rain I was getting.  So I designed virtual consoles to display real time data updated every 5 seconds.

Does the FineOffset console support uploading to 3rd party via http or some other method?



Does it need to be an Ambient console, or will it also work for other FineOffset clone consoles ? Which consoles does your solution support ? What interface is needed given CumulusMX and Meteobridge work with your solution ?
Is it a direct console to application communication or do you need another software mediator like CumulusMX, Meteobridge, (weewx ?) ?

I guess what you call a virtual console it what others call template, skin, web page(s), web UI etc. (like the examples you find under the web link in my signature) - just to make the wording clear.
The newer FineOffset consoles support an http upload to a so-called customized server, i.e. you can enter the IP address/URL of the server and (if needed) a path.
They will upload in the so-called Ecowitt protocol by which they also upload to Ecowitt.net.
The Ecowitt protocol supports all extra sensors of Ecowitt (extraTemp, PM2.5, PM10, CO2, lightning, soil Moisture etc.) whereas the also supported WU protocol only provides basic sensors.
Meteobridge, CumulusMX and weewx can also provide these sensor data.
@olicat will be a good contact to provide you with the interface description for the http upload.
@wvdkuil too - and probably many others.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2021, 07:46:56 AM by Gyvate »
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Re: Ambient Weather Station Beta Testers needed :)
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2021, 07:57:16 AM »
Great Stuff Gyvate,

Thanks for the info, sounds like FineOffset 

should be simple to support if I can find the http parameters :)

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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2021, 08:06:32 AM »
Adding to what Gyvate stated. The newer Ambient consoles also have a custom server option although rather than sending out in Ecowitt protocol they have their own or you can select the WU protocol (As you also can with the other Fineoffset consoles).

This is a sample of my Ambient console output using the Ambient protocol, it is a "get" , not a "post"

"/data/report/stationtype=AMBWeatherV4.2.9&PASSKEY=XXXXXXXXXXX&dateutc=2021-07-17+11:58:45&tempinf=71.4&battin=1&humidityin=56&baromrelin=30.127&baromabsin=30.127&tempf=80.2&battout=1&humidity=81&winddir=238&winddir_avg10m=221&windspeedmph=1.1&windspdmph_avg10m=1.3&windgustmph=2.2&maxdailygust=5.8&hourlyrainin=0.000&eventrainin=0.000&dailyrainin=0.000&weeklyrainin=0.043&monthlyrainin=1.909&yearlyrainin=22.858&solarradiation=41.59&uv=0&temp1f=63.7&humidity1=75&temp2f=77.0&humidity2=43&temp7f=-8.3&temp8f=-2.6&batt1=1&batt2=1&batt7=1&batt8=1&pm25=15.0&pm25_24h=15.2&batt_25=1&pm25_in=13.0&pm25_in_24h=10.3&batt_25in=1&batt_co2=1"

Others on here have a more complete sensor map as obviously I don't have every Ambient sensor.
Ambient:WS-2000,PM 2.5 x2,WH31B x2,WH40E,WH31P
EcoWitt: GW1100,GW1000 x4,WH31 x2,WH57,WH51 x12, WH40,WH5360B,WN34S
Web Sites: WU, Ambient Weather , Ecowitt.net , Ecowitt.net (TEST)
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2021, 08:15:36 AM »
wow, thanks for that Rover1822.

I support http get also, so I should be able to simply modify this to work at my end.   Great stuff, so I don't need to poll Ambient for the data, I can just get the console to http directly to me.

Thanks, I will get to work :)


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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2021, 08:36:01 AM »
Correct :)

Some of us are already doing this. I'm doing do it, but my structure is not generic as I meant it only for myself, and my uses.

« Last Edit: July 17, 2021, 08:37:39 AM by Rover1822 »
Ambient:WS-2000,PM 2.5 x2,WH31B x2,WH40E,WH31P
EcoWitt: GW1100,GW1000 x4,WH31 x2,WH57,WH51 x12, WH40,WH5360B,WN34S
Web Sites: WU, Ambient Weather , Ecowitt.net , Ecowitt.net (TEST)
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2021, 09:41:49 AM »
Don't suppose you have a list of output variables that you are using to populate your http get request?

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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2021, 09:48:54 AM »
Don't suppose you have a list of output variables that you are using to populate your http get request?

The request is populated directly by the console , you do not populate it, and it is not configurable. It sends out what it has. The only thing you configure is the destination server location, the port,  directory, and the interval you want it sent (note on interval there is no point in telling it to run more frequent than the update frequency of the console itself, I just use 1 minute).
You just listen for the request (on a webserver, your own HTTP listener, whatever... and parse accordingly)

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Ambient:WS-2000,PM 2.5 x2,WH31B x2,WH40E,WH31P
EcoWitt: GW1100,GW1000 x4,WH31 x2,WH57,WH51 x12, WH40,WH5360B,WN34S
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2021, 10:07:11 AM »
If you are asking how to configure, I use the WSView Android app.
Ambient:WS-2000,PM 2.5 x2,WH31B x2,WH40E,WH31P
EcoWitt: GW1100,GW1000 x4,WH31 x2,WH57,WH51 x12, WH40,WH5360B,WN34S
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« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2021, 10:20:59 AM »
I created an account and copied the API string into the CumulusMX setting for custom http - but it shows a strange (rather None) pressure value.  :roll:
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By the way - the Meteobridge string works (in MB) - it shows the (absolute ?)  air pressure +/- properly - the relative pressure is also NaN.
It shows properly on other web site templates.
And it shows / switches between two different values for monthly and yearly rainfall (i.e. e.g. m/y 102.0/725.1 mm and m/y 104.7/737.8 mm , where the latter is correct).
Same thing with the other sensor values - switches between 2 sets of values every renewal.
I basically get two sets of the dashboard displayed which switch in the refreshing interval where only one of them shows the correct sensor values.
The MB string looks OK though at first glance.
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« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2021, 06:00:18 PM »
Great Stuff Gyvate,

Thanks for the info, sounds like FineOffset 

should be simple to support if I can find the http parameters :)

In this post you can find a list of parameters passed by gw1000/wh2650 ( don't know how accurate is )

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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2021, 06:06:48 PM »
Hi Gyvate,

The first problem is you have setup Meteobridge and Cumulus to both update the same station id. Looks like you have CumulusMX on the API and Meteobridge on Meteobridge api.  So every few seconds one is overwriting the other.   Hence the flashing.

The reason NaN is appearing is most likely due to your Cumulus setup as it appears your sending decimals with a comma rather than a point. eg I am receiving 18,2 but expecting 18.2

You can use Meteobridge and Cumulus at the same time, you just need to create a new virtual console so that you get another station id.

 


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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2021, 06:49:06 PM »
I have an Ambient system that I can send directly to you, you can pull it with an API key and I can send it to you via Ecowit GW1000.  Three wonderful ways. Let me know how to setup the Ecowit/Ambient to you if you want.  Ill do the API key to get started.  I have several sensors.
Ambient Consoles: WS-2000, WS-1900, WS-1200, WS-2902C,  WS-3000-X3, WS-0900-IP(observerIP), WS-1001-WIFI
Ambient Arrays: WH65B
Ambient Sensors: 3xWH31E, 2xWH31B, WH32B, 2xWH31SM, WH31PGW, AQIN, 3xWH31LA
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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2021, 07:52:46 PM »
Thanks kheller2, that would be great.  I am working on the Ambient API pull first and then I will put in the direct push.

To help me test all you need to do is login and put your Ambient API key into the Beta Testing area.  Thanks a million :)



I have an Ambient system that I can send directly to you, you can pull it with an API key and I can send it to you via Ecowit GW1000.  Three wonderful ways. Let me know how to setup the Ecowit/Ambient to you if you want.  Ill do the API key to get started.  I have several sensors.

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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2021, 08:17:26 PM »
Hi,
  I have the Ambient OSPREY WS-2000 in service since 2019.  I just signed up.
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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2021, 09:53:16 PM »
Hi All,

I have done a setup guide for Ambient Weather Station Custom Server options.  If you login you will find the instructions under.

"Setup Ambient Weather Station Custom Server Option {BETA TESTERS}"
If anyone is willing to give this a go it would really help.   

I have mapped the parameters listened by Rover1822! I am sure there are more

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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2021, 04:36:03 AM »
Hi Gyvate,

The first problem is you have setup Meteobridge and Cumulus to both update the same station id. Looks like you have CumulusMX on the API and Meteobridge on Meteobridge api.  So every few seconds one is overwriting the other.   Hence the flashing.

The reason NaN is appearing is most likely due to your Cumulus setup as it appears your sending decimals with a comma rather than a point. eg I am receiving 18,2 but expecting 18.2

You can use Meteobridge and Cumulus at the same time, you just need to create a new virtual console so that you get another station id.
1. Cumulus was de-activated - but seemed still to behave nastily and kept on sending even though the "enabled" box was untagged and saved - that is probably a CumulusMX problem (it still remembered the old entry even though deactivated)

2. I'd say your setup should be able to handle different locales - i.e. most of Europe (except the English speaking, UK, IRL) use a "," instead of/as a decimal point  - already COBOL 50 years ago knew a clause which said "DECIMAL POINT IS COMMA"
Some more fine tuning needed. :-) - btw - the CumulusMX web interface can handle different locales  8-)

3. it's obvious that a 2nd station is needed for two different feeds - but that wasn't the plan
(neither to have 2 stations nor having two feeds to one station)

4. Only Ambient users (who are not the majority of FO clone users) have an Ambient API key (which costs a license fee) - Ecowitt/FineOffset clone console users usually don't have that and are using the free-of-charge Ecowitt.net site.

It looks as if your approach were pulling data from a web site (ambientweather.net) rather than having the console posting to your server. At the moment, with the limited number of sensor values displayed, the WU protocol would be sufficient which every newer FineOffset (clone) console can post to a custom server. An Ambient (FO clone) console has this functionality too.

For  a future (?) extension to more sensors, the Ecowitt protocol via custom server, as mentioned earlier, would be the right choice.
For pulling data from the Ecowitt web site, the API is announced to be published soon.
There are respective threads here in the forum.

5. (question) - can this "virtual console" be run locally without an internet connection and accessing your server ?
« Last Edit: July 18, 2021, 04:38:49 AM by Gyvate »
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Ecowitt WS90-,WS80,WH40,WH65,WH31(5),WH31-EP(1),WN30/DP30 (1),WH32(1),WH32-EP(1),WH32B [T/H/P] (1), WH57 [Lightning] (1), WH41 [PM2.5] (2), WH51 [SoilMoisture] (5), WH45, WH55 (2)
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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2021, 06:10:19 AM »
Hi All,

I have done a setup guide for Ambient Weather Station Custom Server options.  If you login you will find the instructions under.

"Setup Ambient Weather Station Custom Server Option {BETA TESTERS}"
If anyone is willing to give this a go it would really help.   

I have mapped the parameters listened by Rover1822! I am sure there are more
Once you have a processing for the Ecowitt protocol via custom server in place (best info source @olicat), I am ready to post from my GW1000/WH2650 console - just need the link
Froggit WH4000SE (=EW 2320E) 1.6.1/GW1100 2.0.8/Froggit DP1500 1.6.8 (+EW GW1000 (4) 1.6.8 test/backup)/HP1000SE Pro (HP2551) 1.6.1/1.7.7, WH2650 WiFi (2) 1.6.8,GW2000 2.1.0;
Ecowitt WS90-,WS80,WH40,WH65,WH31(5),WH31-EP(1),WN30/DP30 (1),WH32(1),WH32-EP(1),WH32B [T/H/P] (1), WH57 [Lightning] (1), WH41 [PM2.5] (2), WH51 [SoilMoisture] (5), WH45, WH55 (2)
Meteobridge Pro (2) [test,prod] 5.2 Nov 21 2021, 14636 - Blake-Larsen Sun Recorder - RPi4/weewx 4.5.1/CumulusMX 3160/MB RPi4 (2671)
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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2021, 06:44:43 AM »
Hi Gyvate,

Thanks for your feedback.

The http get for Ambient / FO clones is ready for testing and you can find it in the area named.

"Setup Ambient Weather Station Custom Server Option {BETA TESTERS}"

Just remember to disable meteobridge temporality or we will have the console values flicking again.

I will make some changes to support the comma decimals.


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