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New sensor WH45, 5 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2, Temp + Humidity
« on: August 20, 2020, 05:34:38 AM »
Hello,

The new sensor will be available in 2 months !

https://twitter.com/ecowittweather/status/1296374465631121408?s=19

Moderator Edit: Subject changed to reflex that this is a 5 in 1 sensor and not 3 in 1. Well it is 3 in 1 in terms of air quality.
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2020, 05:59:57 AM »
Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum.  I am in contact with the ecowitt and I learned that the wh45 sensor is not 3 in 1 but rather 5 in 1 sensor for indoor.  That is, measure this: pm2.5, pm10, CO2, temperature and humidity, will also have the same shape as wh41
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2020, 05:01:53 AM »
Lucy has given me a price on the sensor:

It's $148 & will only be able to be used indoors.

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Hi Jamie,

Thanks for your contacting.:)
The WH45 sensor looks similar like the WH43 sensor: http://www.ecowitt.com/wifi_weather/123.html

And it can only be used indoor.
We have the product price for it now: 148USD/unit.

We'll contact you when we need your help to test it.:)
Thank you for your attention!

Best Regards,
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« Last Edit: August 21, 2020, 05:03:37 AM by kenthcwx »
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2020, 05:33:34 AM »
It will be more expensive for the EU version maybe 160€. Could you share your data when you will test the product or it's under NDA ?

Lucy has given me a price on the sensor:

It's $148 & will only be able to be used indoors.

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Hi Jamie,

Thanks for your contacting.:)
The WH45 sensor looks similar like the WH43 sensor: http://www.ecowitt.com/wifi_weather/123.html

And it can only be used indoor.
We have the product price for it now: 148USD/unit.

We'll contact you when we need your help to test it.:)
Thank you for your attention!

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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2020, 07:18:50 AM »
I've chatted with Lucy about WH45 as well.

She said the product is in trial production stage, 1-2 weeks before the post came out.

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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2020, 07:47:28 AM »
Hi!

As I understand it, the WH45 can measure temperature and humidity in addition to PM2.5, PM10 and CO2.
In the current beta firmware for the GW1000 these keys already have the names:

tempf_co2
humidity_co2
pm25_co2
pm25_24h_co2
pm10_co2
pm10_24h_co2
co2
co2_24h
co2_batt

Interesting:
Because there're no channel numbers I guess we will only be able to use one of these sensors.
But - it is a guess only and could be a misinterpretation.

Does anyone know whether there will also be a device for outdoor use?

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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2020, 08:02:34 AM »
Lucy answered me like this:

Hi Ivan,

The WH45 is only for indoor use and currently no outdoor version plan.

Best Regards,
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6. LIGHTING SENSOR;
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2020, 09:09:45 AM »
It will be more expensive for the EU version maybe 160€. Could you share your data when you will test the product or it's under NDA ?

I haven't been given any more information yet on it testing wise. If I'm able to share the data, I sure will.
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2020, 11:01:25 AM »
Looking forward to this coming out! I've been wanting to get another WH41 for the inside of my home, but i'll wait until this comes.

I believe this is indoor only (and no plans for outdoor) because of the CO2 aspect as CO2 levels wouldn't change much on a day-to-day basis compared to indoor levels.
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2020, 11:30:41 AM »
If the WH45 also included an air pressure sensor, would one still need a WH25 Temperature, Humidity, Pressure sensor? Seems like a lot of overlap between the two devices as previously described.

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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2020, 12:07:17 PM »
The WH45 is an add-on device. Why inflate its already high price with even more stuff that nobody needs, because every station already has a barometric sensor. I know from your perspective of grabbing data via SDR it gives you a different set of circumstances. But doesn't everyone that grabs SDR data not already invest in their own separate barometric sensor? Therefore including a barometric sensor in the WH45 seems to benefit a very very small amount of users. I suppose you could make the argument that a barometric sensor would only add a small amount to the cost. But I think this would then add some complexity to the use of the device...because then users would be faced with two barometric sensors in their setup to contend with.

I also do not see any overlap. Because the temperature and humidity on the WH45 is not seen as the main indoor temp/hum, but rather as an additional room sensor much like having an extra WH31 that could never replace the main indoor temp/hum. Therefore to answer your question of still needing the WH25 the answer is yes you would need it...for the same reasons a WH31 can't replace a WH25 (or the newer WH32B).

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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2020, 02:26:34 PM »
I see the inclusion of pressure, temp, & humidity as they must see a market for a stand-alone "indoor weather station", where the customer would not have an outdoor array.
If some country had a new law requiring the monitoring of indoor conditions in work and office places it could open up a huge market.
I think they're on to something.


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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2020, 02:41:58 PM »
The pressure sensor is not on the outdoor array. No sensor works autonomously...something has to pick up the signal. That something is their console and that has the barometric pressure sensor.
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2020, 05:32:11 PM »
An HP2553 is just a somewhat arbitrary bundle of an HP2551-C, a WS80, a WH32B, and a WH40, while an HP2551 is a bundle of an HP2551-C, a WH32B, and a WH69E. The distinction between what is an add-on device and what is mandatory is just a marketing distinction that thankfully results in a bundle discount. In these bundles the only item containing a pressure transducer is the WH32B. One could probably throw together an HP2551-C, a WS80, a WH40, and a WH45, and the console would probably work just fine. Minor console firmware tweeks at best would be required. One just wouldn't have a pressure sensor in the mix.

When it comes to the GW1000, as it is the only "WiFi gateway device" that directly incorporates sensors (one of which is a pressure transducer), yes, a pressure sensor within a WH45 used with a GW1000 would double up on pressure transducers. On the other hand, a WH45 used with an HP2553 doubles up on both indoor temperature and humidity sensors. A case of choosing your poison I suppose. There isn't a lot of cost concern in mashing up a HP2553 with a GW1000 wherein indoor sensors for temperature, humidity, and pressure are duplicated, as this happens frequently it seems.

On the other hand, reducing the sensors in the WH45 to just PM2.5, PM10.0, and CO would avoid duplicating sensors with current products. Not obvious what sensor combination they're driving toward long term though.
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2020, 06:07:22 PM »
Air quality measurements generally need temperature and humidity compensation, so the WH45 probably needs those sensors anyway. They are just making the T/H data available as well as the AQ values as a "freebie" if you like.
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2020, 05:41:19 AM »
And an HP2553 is just a somewhat aritrary bundle of an HP2551-C, a WS80, a WH25, and a WH40, while an HP2551 is a bundle of an HP2551-C, a WH25, and a WH69E. The distinction between what is an add-on device and what is mandatory is just a marketing distinction that thankfully results in a bundle discount. In these bundles the only item containing a pressure transducer is the WH25. One could probably throw together an HP2551-C, a WS80, a WH40, and a WH45, and the console would probably work just fine. Minor console firmware tweeks at best would be required. One just wouldn't have a pressure sensor in the mix.

When it comes to the GW1000, as it is the only "WiFi gateway device" that directly incorporates sensors (one of which is a pressure transducer), yes, a pressure sensor within a WH45 used with a GW1000 would double up on pressure transducers. On the other hand, a WH45 used with an HP2553 doubles up on both indoor temperature and humidity sensors. A case of choosing your poison I suppose. There isn't a lot of cost concern in mashing up a HP2553 with a GW1000 wherein indoor sensors for temperature, humidity, and pressure are duplicated, as this happens frequently it seems.

On the other hand, reducing the sensors in the WH45 to just PM2.5, PM10.0, and CO would avoid duplicating sensors with current products. Not obvious what sensor combination they're driving toward long term though.

Not sure what model numbers you are quoting as inclusive of equipment bundles (Hp2551/hp2553) but they are partly wrong and will confuse readers. Please amend your post
The correct name/numbers for sensors can be found here>
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=38491.msg395898#msg395898
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2020, 11:01:07 AM »
Anyone know what the CO2 detection technology is based on in the WH45? There area few out there (at least), but by far the common (and robust one) is the Non-Dispersive Infrared (NDIR) Sensor.

The PM detector is also based on optical measurements (where I think the PM10 is mathematically calculated from the PM2.5 measurements).

Perhaps now, the same optical system can do all the measurements since its the same size as the current WH41/43?
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2020, 11:19:58 PM »
And an HP2553 is just a somewhat arbitrary bundle of an HP2551-C, a WS80, a WH25, and a WH40, while an HP2551 is a bundle of an HP2551-C, a WH25, and a WH69E. The distinction between what is an add-on device and what is mandatory is just a marketing distinction that thankfully results in a bundle discount. In these bundles the only item containing a pressure transducer is the WH25. One could probably throw together an HP2551-C, a WS80, a WH40, and a WH45, and the console would probably work just fine. Minor console firmware tweeks at best would be required. One just wouldn't have a pressure sensor in the mix.

When it comes to the GW1000, as it is the only "WiFi gateway device" that directly incorporates sensors (one of which is a pressure transducer), yes, a pressure sensor within a WH45 used with a GW1000 would double up on pressure transducers. On the other hand, a WH45 used with an HP2553 doubles up on both indoor temperature and humidity sensors. A case of choosing your poison I suppose. There isn't a lot of cost concern in mashing up a HP2553 with a GW1000 wherein indoor sensors for temperature, humidity, and pressure are duplicated, as this happens frequently it seems.

On the other hand, reducing the sensors in the WH45 to just PM2.5, PM10.0, and CO would avoid duplicating sensors with current products. Not obvious what sensor combination they're driving toward long term though.

Not sure what model numbers you are quoting as inclusive of equipment bundles (Hp2551/hp2553) but they are partly wrong and will confuse readers. Please amend your post
The correct name/numbers for sensors can be found here>
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=38491.msg395898#msg395898

Well, as the original posting used an "ecowitt" URL, I attempted to use an ecowitt / Fine Offset "Model" number rather than an Ambient Weather "Item #". I don't find the above posting very useful in this instance. First, what's noted as the "Osprey Sensor, would seem to have an Ambient Item # of "WS-2902A-ARRAY" for which I get no hits on Ambient's web site. Currently both Ambient Item #'s WS-2902C and WS-2902-ARRAY show a tri-wing sensor array, not a bi-wing sensor array as is shown for the "Osprey Sensor." According to Ambient, "Printed on the part as(sic) WH65B." Also note that the picture used to get FCC approval of the WH65B in the United States shows a tri-wing. Check out the "External Photos" in the following link: https://fcc.report/FCC-ID/WA5WH65B/ It's possible/probable that the "B" version of the WH65B may note a 915 MHz part for US usage. I'm not real clear on that aspect.

As for the WH25, I didn't realize that the newer version of the WH25 is in fact the WH32B. My bad. It seems the "WH32B is the same as WH25 but two packets in one transmission of {971} and XOR sum missing." I don't see where the page you referenced mentions a Temperature, Humidity, Pressure sensor at all, but both the HP2551 and HP2553 seem to have one.

I used the following references to concoct these Model numbers as both the Fine Offset and ecowitt web sites aren't very helpful. The Ambient Weather web site is much more helpful in general.

HP2553 http://www.ecowitt.com/weather_station/119.html
HP2551-C http://www.ecowitt.com/Others/101.html
  Suggestive but not conclusive is Reply #1 in: https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=38630.0
WH32B https://fcc.report/FCC-ID/WA5WH32B
  Check out the second item in Parts List on page 2 in the "Users Manual".
  Also: https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=39277.0
WS80 http://www.ecowitt.com/wifi_weather/117.html
WH40 http://www.ecowitt.com/wifi_weather/82.html

HP2551 http://www.ecowitt.com/weather_station/70.html
HP2551-C http://www.ecowitt.com/Others/101.html
WH32B https://fcc.report/FCC-ID/WA5WH32B
WH69E http://www.ecowitt.com/news/54.html
  Also: https://fcc.report/FCC-ID/WA5WH69C/
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2020, 09:58:34 AM »
For reference the WH25 is a obsolete sensor previously used.

The WH32 (temp/hygro/barometer) sensor is not often referenced since it is not a part purchased separately and is/should be provided only with the HP2550/1 (Ambient WS2000) console display.
You would not have one without the other.
I agree its confusing that there is also a WH32 sensor available as an optional extra that is used for external temp/Hygro and can also be had with a high precision SHT35 sensor (WH32-EP)
Users who implement the external WH32 do so to supersede the values produced from their WH65 or WS80 arrays.

The WH65 can come in two flavours a Tri-Wing design (Ambient Osprey) or as a Bi-Wing design. Functionally they are identical.

Ecowitt created a bundle initially with the HP2551 which provided the HP2551 display, a WH65 (Bi-wing) (The wh32 is not referenced as that comes by default with the display)
This is analogous with the Ambient WS-2000 kit

The HP2553 simply deleted the WH65 and replaced it with the WS80 ultrasonic anemometer and the WH40 rain gauge.
Ambient simply refer to this collection as the WS-5000
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2020, 01:46:51 PM »
FYI, the WH32 Outdoor Thermometer Hygrometer Sensor mentioned previously is listed as an WH32E as part of the US FCC listing also mentioned previously for the the WH32B. In fact this moniker is what Ambient uses for the Item # of the equivalent part on its web site.

The only part number I left off for the HP3551 and HP3553 is the replacement part number for the console's AC adapter. I know Ambient's name for it but not ecowitt's. Ambient is currently including this adapter for their console only items. ecowitt, ???

It is convenient to know the constituent part numbers, if for no other reason than knowing what combinations may be possible should one piece things together. As for replacement parts, one can dive down to the level of say a battery door cover if need be. It does seem to be the common refrain though when dealing with ecowitt, "Call Lucy!" Ambient Weather is much more transparent.

P.S.

Looking at ecowitt's current offerings, it seems to me that the WH32B or something like it is offered in the following Models: HP2553, HP2551, WH6006E, and HP3500B.
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2020, 01:02:17 AM »
FYI - Ecowitt's latst publication on the WH45 on Twitter
https://twitter.com/ecowittweather/status/1306797637333442561
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2020, 01:34:17 PM »
Must be mains powered through an ac - dc adapter, maybe usb type ?.  See the "DC" top right corner of the CO2 section.
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2020, 03:58:40 AM »
I asked about the CO2 sensor, this is his answer: For the CO2 sensor, it is recommended to use USB cable + power supply.  Because it requires a great current.
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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2020, 04:05:08 PM »
when will this be avail.? it has been passed the estimated time by quite a bit now?

Offline Jackpots

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Re: New sensor WH45, 3 in 1 PM2.5 PM10 and CO2
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2020, 04:23:11 PM »
when will this be avail.? it has been passed the estimated time by quite a bit now?

I have asked Lucy last week, and the answer is no ETA at the moment...
Current ECOWITT Sensors:

5x WN30
9x WH31
1x WH32
3x WH32B (1 Active)
2x WN34S
1x WN35
1x WH40
3x WH41
1x WH45 (Alpha "Pre Production" Test)
2x WH51
2x WH57
2x WS67/69
2x WS80 & 1x NEW WS80 (Revised Model)
1x WS90 Beta Testing
Equipment List:
Oregon Scientific THGR810 T&H Sensor (2010 - 2016)
Oregon Scientific BAR208HGA (2013 - )
FineOffset WH3081 (2015 - 2017)
AcuRite 02032 Pro (2016 - 2019)
ECOWITT HP2551 (2020 - )
ECOWITT HP2553 (2020 - )
ECOWITT GW1003 (2020 - ) - IBRISB722
ECOWITT GW1003 (2020 - )
ECOWITT GW1103 (2021 - )

 

anything