Topic: WS-5000 vs WS-2000 Ambient Weather Stations

[Altawyweather]

Also, it might be worth notating that in cold weather, the WS-5000 has a heater unit. I spoke with an Ambient representatives, the heater is necessary in cold weather areas to maintain more accuracy. They said the array unit is newer than the WS-2000.

[Altawyweather]

The only problem is that the WS5000 is out of stock and has been out of stock for many months. As of a few days ago, they still really have no idea when this system will be back in stock.

I was told they are looking at late October delivery date. They said you must sign-up to be placed on the list. It will be first come, first served. In regards to the lightning detector, there is sill no word on the delivery date.

[Jai Soone]

The Ambient Weather Item # is "WS-5000-HEATER-AC". And if the 65 foot AC cord with it isn't long enough, Ambient has Item # "AMBCAM-COVER" that keeps your extension and appliance cords securely connected and safe from water.

[charles_slc]

I'm looking at an Ambient as a replacement for an old Accurite 5-in-1...whose wind cups blew off in the September 2020 wind storm here in SLC... 

There's only a $10 difference between the 2000 & 5000 on amazon.  Was leaning toward the 5000, but the recommendation for heater is off-putting since I'm planning to mount to the roof of my suburban home.

Also the fact that the 5000 only handles 89mph winds vs 100mph for the 2000...given the aforementioned windstorm..    My old accurite clocked an 83mph gust...before blowing away.   

Thoughts?

[galfert]

I'm not crazy about the WS80 temperature sensor and the fact that Ambient decided to stop selling the WH32E.

[funsutton]

I'm glad I got my WH32E when I did. I use it in tandem with my WS80 because it's 25 feet high.

Did Ambient say why they weren't selling it anymore? Also does Ecowitt sell one that will work with Ambient (in case mine breaks)?

[galfert]

Ecowitt sensor with Ambient console no workie.
Ambient sensor with Ecowitt console no problema.

I have no idea what Ambient is or isn't thinking regarding the WH32E and also with regards to no more WH31 and now only offering WH31E which stink because of the RCC and its refusal to work if it doesn't get an RCC broadcast.

I wouldn't be looking a the decision being WS-2000 vs WS-5000, but rather why not instead Ecowitt HP2551 or GW1000. Then add the WS80 from Ambient if you are in the US, or pass on the WS80 and get the Ecowitt WS68. Then you can get the WH32E from Ecowitt.

[Platokidd]

I'm glad I got my WH32E when I did. I use it in tandem with my WS80 because it's 25 feet high.

Did Ambient say why they weren't selling it anymore? Also does Ecowitt sell one that will work with Ambient (in case mine breaks)?

No they did not. When I inquired I was told out of stock. Then I asked when they would be getting more only to be told it was discontinued.

[Platokidd]

Ecowitt sensor with Ambient console no workie.
Ambient sensor with Ecowitt console no problema.

I have no idea what Ambient is or isn't thinking regarding the WH32E and also with regards to no more WH31 and now only offering WH31E which stink because of the RCC and its refusal to work if it doesn't get an RCC broadcast.

I wouldn't be looking a the decision being WS-2000 vs WS-5000, but rather why not instead Ecowitt HP2551 or GW1000. Then add the WS80 from Ambient if you are in the US, or pass on the WS80 and get the Ecowitt WS68. Then you can get the WH32E from Ecowitt.

 

After being told no, and the WH32e was discontinued from AW....

 Ambient to Ecowitt. In the past few weeks I added WS68 and Hp2551c. And it was cheaper buying the hp2551c from china then it was buying the ws2000c from ambient.  So now I have both.. Wonder how long that will last before I start selling off some consoles..

However, comparing the ws2000 to the hp2551c I give a very small edge in favor to Ambient (better / more advanced)

Sure that will ruffle a feather or stir a pot..

[Mandrake]

However, comparing the ws2000 to the hp2551c I give a very small edge in favor to Ambient (better / more advanced)

Sure that will ruffle a feather or stir a pot..

Indeed, not sure how one can be more better/advanced than the other when they are the same hardware (one running a different firmware to restrict sensors to Ambient branded versions)

[galfert]

However, comparing the ws2000 to the hp2551c I give a very small edge in favor to Ambient (better / more advanced)

Sure that will ruffle a feather or stir a pot..

No it doesn't stir the pot. It deserves an explanation. I think you may not really be comparing the hardware, because they are the same, but rather what you are doing is most likely comparing Ambientweather.net to Ecowitt.net. If that is the case I think everyone should know that Ambientweather.net is not exclusive to Ambient hardware. With a GW1000 and Meteobridge you can add the Ambientweather.net license and be uploading to Ambientweather.net. Now I wouldn't recommend the expense of all this extra stuff just to upload to Ambientweather.net, but rather because the Meteobridge is a great investment anyway for a bunch of other features.

[charles_slc]

Ecowitt sensor with Ambient console no workie.
Ambient sensor with Ecowitt console no problema.

I have no idea what Ambient is or isn't thinking regarding the WH32E and also with regards to no more WH31 and now only offering WH31E which stink because of the RCC and its refusal to work if it doesn't get an RCC broadcast.

I wouldn't be looking a the decision being WS-2000 vs WS-5000, but rather why not instead Ecowitt HP2551 or GW1000. Then add the WS80 from Ambient if you are in the US, or pass on the WS80 and get the Ecowitt WS68. Then you can get the WH32E from Ecowitt.

Thanks for the reply, although I don't understand what WH32E is or WH31 vs WH31E 

I also didn't think I could buy the Ecowitt here in the US.  Doesn't look like Amazon has the HP2551 at least...appears they have the GW1000. 

I'm torn between the having the console vs just having the app.  On one hand, I'm used to the console, as is the rest of the family.  On the other, I always have my phone. 

One question, does the Ecowitt app show the PM25 sensor data?  That's one thing I'm very interested in, living here in SLC.

Thanks!

[galfert]

Thanks for the reply, although I don't understand what WH32E is or WH31 vs WH31E 

WH32E - This is an outdoor temperature and humidity sensor that replaces the temperature and humidity sent by the WS80 or WH65 on the console as the primary outdoor temperature and humidity. This allows you better siting for the outdoor temperature and humidity. The WH32E should always be put in full sun inside of a proper radiation shield (do not use the RS-00001 though as it is terrible). You can only have one WH32E.

WH31 - This is an optional temperature and humidity sensor of which you can have up to eight of them. You can place them anywhere you like, indoor, outdoor, in the garage, attic, basement, bedroom, refrigerator, chicken coop...etc. But the WH31 will never be your primary outdoor sensor so you can't use it to upload to online services like WU or most others. The WH31 though does show up on Ecowitt.net, Ambientweather.net and on your own particular software like Cumulus MX, Meteobridge, Weather-Display, or WeeWX. Unfortunately Ambient has discontinued the WH31 and replaced it with the inferior WH31E.

WH31E - is a special version of the Ambient WH31. It is 100% compatible but it includes a Radio Controlled Clock (RCC) and it won't operate unless you are able to consistently get a good signal from WWVB in Colorado which is not always a reliable signal for many. Our stations do not need this RCC signal. The WH31E was meant for some other basic display consoles (not full weather stations) and thus in order to get time keeping they have this RCC. But it is a detriment to our stations that get time form the Internet. Poor decision on Ambient to stop selling the proper WH31 for our stations.

You can get all this information in this link:
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730.0

I also didn't think I could buy the Ecowitt here in the US.  Doesn't look like Amazon has the HP2551 at least...appears they have the GW1000. 

Yes, you can get some models/parts on Amazon in the US from Ecowitt. But you can get *almost* the full line of models and parts from Ecowitt directly on their website or by email with then exception of 1 part (WS80). I suggest sending them an email to create a custom solution a excellent customer service. The exception and only part that they will not ship to the US is the WS80 because of a Fine Offset agreement with Ambient to have exclusive sales in the US for that part. But you could order everything from Ecowitt and then just get the WS80 from Ambient and it would all work (yes expensive but possible).

Also the HP2551 display console can be ordered separately from Ecowitt. Meaning you can get the GW1002 and then add the HP2551 display console if you want.

I'm torn between the having the console vs just having the app.  On one hand, I'm used to the console, as is the rest of the family.  On the other, I always have my phone. 

Then don't be torn and get both (HP2551 and GW1000). Have as many display consoles as you want...put one in each room if you want. But do limit your upload configuration to online services to be from just one device, or else you'll create a mess.

One question, does the Ecowitt app show the PM25 sensor data?  That's one thing I'm very interested in, living here in SLC.

Yes, if you are home (on the same LAN). Of you can set up a VPN to your home network and then have it anywhere. Or even simpler just go to Ecowitt.net from anywhere and there you'll see your PM2.5 and everything else. Or add your own software like Cumulus MX, Meteobridge, Weather-Display, and/or WeeWX (any or all of these) and then access that or use them to publish to your own website.

[Platokidd]

However, comparing the ws2000 to the hp2551c I give a very small edge in favor to Ambient (better / more advanced)

Sure that will ruffle a feather or stir a pot..

Indeed, not sure how one can be more better/advanced than the other when they are the same hardware (one running a different firmware to restrict sensors to Ambient branded versions)

Guess my pictures did not upload with my prior post. And I cant seem to get both pictures to upload now after cropping the heck out of them, so I give up.

Anyway WS-2000c displays both the (outdoor pm2.5) and (indoor pm2.5) on the home screen as such. The HP2551c only displays 1 pm2.5 on the home screen. I kinda liking have both of the displayed at the same time. Thus more advance in firmware for the home screen?

[galfert]

Anyway WS-2000c displays both the (outdoor pm2.5) and (indoor pm2.5) on the home screen as such. The HP2551c only displays 1 pm2.5 on the home screen. I kinda liking have both of the displayed at the same time. Thus more advance in firmware for the home screen?

Not exactly. The WS-2000 has a PM2.5 indoor and a PM2.5 outdoor because it only supports two air quality sensors. This was a deliberate decision by Ambient to limit PM2.5 to just two sensors and to hard code them as inddor and outdoor. Whereas with the HP2551-C you can have up to four PM2.5 sensors and they can be indoor our outdoor and in any combination you choose (all four indoor if you prefer for example), because there is no distinction as to where they can be. Because of this with the HP2551-C you can make channel 1 be the indoor or outdoor or any location that you want.

[Platokidd]

Anyway WS-2000c displays both the (outdoor pm2.5) and (indoor pm2.5) on the home screen as such. The HP2551c only displays 1 pm2.5 on the home screen. I kinda liking have both of the displayed at the same time. Thus more advance in firmware for the home screen?

Not exactly. The WS-2000 has a PM2.5 indoor and a PM2.5 outdoor because it only supports two air quality sensors. This was a deliberate decision by Ambient to limit PM2.5 to just two sensors and to hard code them as inddor and outdoor. Whereas with the HP2551-C you can have up to four PM2.5 sensors and they can be indoor our outdoor and in any combination you choose (all four indoor if you prefer for example), because there is no distinction as to where they can be. Because of this with the HP2551-C you can make channel 1 be the indoor or outdoor or any location that you want.

Yes. However, it is not possible to cycle or view more than the selected pm2.5 on the home screen.

[galfert]

Yes. However, it is not possible to cycle or view more than the selected pm2.5 on the home screen.

True. But I would appeal to Ecowitt and ask them to change this. They are rather receptive to user feedback. I'm not saying they will change it for sure but they have made a lot of changes based on user feedback. They welcome user feedback.

[Mandrake]

The PM2.5 view is not likely to change on the HP2551 now that the CO2 sensor has been released as that now effectively becomes the primary indoor PM2.5/10 sensor and that does display alongside the data from the outside PM2.5 sensor.

[Gyvate]

Yes. However, it is not possible to cycle or view more than the selected pm2.5 on the home screen.

True. But I would appeal to Ecowitt and ask them to change this. They are rather receptive to user feedback. I'm not saying they will change it for sure but they have made a lot of changes based on user feedback. They welcome user feedback.

You should definitely do so - I have already proposed it to them - it's the only multiple sensor which doesn't cycle.
And I proposed to include the WH45 Temp/Hum into the indoorTemp/Hum/WH31 cycle.

The more people ask, the higher the chance.

[galfert]

The PM2.5 view is not likely to change on the HP2551 now that the CO2 sensor has been released as that now effectively becomes the primary indoor PM2.5/10 sensor and that does display alongside the data from the outside PM2.5 sensor.

You bring up an excellent point with the WH45 being the more proper indoor air quality sensor. But I still think that the WH41 should be made to cycle.

[charles_slc]

The PM2.5 view is not likely to change on the HP2551 now that the CO2 sensor has been released as that now effectively becomes the primary indoor PM2.5/10 sensor and that does display alongside the data from the outside PM2.5 sensor.

You bring up an excellent point with the WH45 being the more proper indoor air quality sensor. But I still think that the WH41 should be made to cycle.

I had noticed the availability of the WH45 for Ecowitt...and also according to the matrix that the WH32B (Indoor) doesn't work with GW1000.

From your statement, I should just be able to use WH45 w/GW1000 for indoor Temp/Hum?  And if I add the console will show for indoor?

Thank you!

[Platokidd]

Yes. However, it is not possible to cycle or view more than the selected pm2.5 on the home screen.

True. But I would appeal to Ecowitt and ask them to change this. They are rather receptive to user feedback. I'm not saying they will change it for sure but they have made a lot of changes based on user feedback. They welcome user feedback.

You should definitely do so - I have already proposed it to them - it's the only multiple sensor which doesn't cycle.
And I proposed to include the WH45 Temp/Hum into the indoorTemp/Hum/WH31 cycle.

The more people ask, the higher the chance.

Done! Emailed Lucy asking.

[Mandrake]

The PM2.5 view is not likely to change on the HP2551 now that the CO2 sensor has been released as that now effectively becomes the primary indoor PM2.5/10 sensor and that does display alongside the data from the outside PM2.5 sensor.

You bring up an excellent point with the WH45 being the more proper indoor air quality sensor. But I still think that the WH41 should be made to cycle.

I had noticed the availability of the WH45 for Ecowitt...and also according to the matrix that the WH32B (Indoor) doesn't work with GW1000.

From your statement, I should just be able to use WH45 w/GW1000 for indoor Temp/Hum?  And if I add the console will show for indoor?

Thank you!

You certainly can use the WH45 for internal temp/humidity though once again you cannot override the GW1000 built in Internal Temp/Humidity sensor. This will always be the internal sensor. You will get additional data displayed for the CO2 sensor but it will not replace the built in sensor

[Gyvate]

The PM2.5 view is not likely to change on the HP2551 now that the CO2 sensor has been released as that now effectively becomes the primary indoor PM2.5/10 sensor and that does display alongside the data from the outside PM2.5 sensor.

You bring up an excellent point with the WH45 being the more proper indoor air quality sensor. But I still think that the WH41 should be made to cycle.

I had noticed the availability of the WH45 for Ecowitt...and also according to the matrix that the WH32B (Indoor) doesn't work with GW1000.

From your statement, I should just be able to use WH45 w/GW1000 for indoor Temp/Hum?  And if I add the console will show for indoor?

Thank you!

Your console has its own primary indoor temperature/humidity sensor, either built in like the GW1000 or separate like the WH2650 and the HP2551. On the HP2551 display the inside temperature and humidity (the same for 1-8 WH31 multi-channel sensors) show separately in a (stoppable) cycle. My request is to add the WH45 T/H sensor to this cycle.
see (3) and (4) at https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730.msg420959#msg420959
You will then have two indoors sensors shown. I'd say better two than one, and maybe not the one you wanted as right now you don't have a choice.

[Gyvate]

The PM2.5 view is not likely to change on the HP2551 now that the CO2 sensor has been released as that now effectively becomes the primary indoor PM2.5/10 sensor and that does display alongside the data from the outside PM2.5 sensor.

You bring up an excellent point with the WH45 being the more proper indoor air quality sensor. But I still think that the WH41 should be made to cycle.

I had noticed the availability of the WH45 for Ecowitt...and also according to the matrix that the WH32B (Indoor) doesn't work with GW1000.

From your statement, I should just be able to use WH45 w/GW1000 for indoor Temp/Hum?  And if I add the console will show for indoor?

Thank you!

Your console has its own primary indoor temperature/humidity sensor, either built in like the GW1000 or a separate WH32B like the WH2650 and the HP2551. On the HP2551 display the inside temperature and humidity (the same for 1-8 WH31 multi-channel sensors) show separately in a (stoppable) cycle. My request is to add the WH45 T/H sensor to this cycle.
see (3) and (4) at https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730.msg420959#msg420959
You will then have two indoors sensors shown. I'd say better two than one, and maybe not the one you wanted as right now you don't have a choice.