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Offline Gyvate

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Of course this is a hendiadyoin or tautology - twins are always two (but there a monozygotic, identical twins and dizygotic, fraternal twins).
As different as they look from the outside, the GW1000 and the WH2650 WiFi have to be fraternal twins, obviously. Size-wise not so much as one would expect looking at the pictures at several websites (e.g. www.froggit.de, www.foshk.com), but look-wise for sure. Still the WH2650WiFi has twice the surface and twice the height of the GW1000 (not counting the sort of bulky RF antenna of the WH2650WiFi nor the protruding male USB plug of the GW1000).
I conclude that the WH2650WiFi antenna is the RF antenna as the predecessor model, the WH2600 LAN, already had this antenna and the network connection was via an Ethernet cable.

Ooops - yes, for some of you this little bugger looks familiar. You've seen some such thing before. And "some such" is the key word here.

BECAUSE, the WH2650 WiFi is NOT the same as the WH2600 LAN or Ambient ObserverIP (WS-1400IP, WS-1550-IP).
It's the added 50 in the model number which makes the difference
OLD: WH2600 LAN (comparatively a lame duck functionality-wise) and NEW: WH2650 WiFi, a fraternal twin of the GW1000.

see the outer differences below:

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Model names and numbers can be confusing as the resellers are not always consistent in their naming ...  ](*,)
That's what we made our clone model etc. matrix for (https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730.0[tup]

But let's come back to the original topic ...  :grin:

The WH2650 Wifi is not part of the Ecowitt portfolio, so you cannot directly order it from them.
Unless you want to buy it from Froggit (under the name of HP2600 PRO WiFi, 868 MHz only, and then only together with a WH65 7-in-1 sensor array), you have to order it directly from Fine Offset who would then ask Ecowitt for the order fulfillment. Ecowitt will then act in the name of Fine Offset, with a Fine Offset email - however still the same Lucy  :lol:
Order to be sent to: sales@foshk.com .

The WH2650WiFi is sort of a puristic console - no indoor sensors attached.  It therefore comes with a separate WH32B sensor (Temperature/Humidity/Pressure). The GW1000 has its T&H&P indoor sensors integrated, the probes at the end of an attached cable.

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Both consoles have the same functionality and have the same firmware version - 1.6.3 - only the prefix is different.
(EDIT: as per 02-Jun-2021 the actual firmware for both consoles is 1.6.8 )
In the WSView app you cannot notice any difference to the GW1000 except for the device name prefix.
Below an example of the live data my actual sensor park displayed in WSView.

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The sensor page looks the same as the GW1000's sensor page.
Except for the T&H&P sensor which is integrated in the GW1000 and therefore not shown in the GW1000 "Sensors ID" page.
All actual Ecowitt sensors are supported.
Including the just released WH45 5-in-1 Temperature/Humidity, CO2+PM2.5+PM10 combo sensor and the still to-be-released WN34 sensors (L - water variant, S - soil variant).

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On the hardware level, at least for the enclosure, the GW1000 and the WH2650 are fraternal twins, but on the software (firmware) level they are identical twins.
They are using the same API and they can both receive and display (e.g. via the WS View app) all recent Ecowitt sensor signals.

Compared to the elegance of the GW1000, the WH2650 WiFi looks rather somewhat bulky. While the GW1000 comes with elegant curves,
the WH2650WIFi shows distinctive corners and edges. Aesthetically they belong to two different worlds.
So why on Earth would one go for a WH2650WiFi instead of a GW1000 ?

One obvious reason could be the placement of the console and the dependency one undergoes with the GW1000 regarding the indoor sensors. The probes are attached with a rather short (100 cm long) cable to the GW1000.

The WH2650WiFi comes with a separate Temperature/Humidity/Pressure sensor (WH32B) which can be placed independent from the console location. 

Another reason which comes to my mind is still speculative - still needs to be verified if viable.

This protruding RF antenna of the WH2650WiFi might provide better reception conditions than the inside RF antenna of the GW1000.

In order to move the before made remark out of the world of speculation onto more solid ground, I would have to make a test like taking both consoles down into the underground garage of the house I'm living in and check if the sensors are still received and, if so, with what signal strength. The rather rough reception indicators of the sensor page of the WSView app could give some semi-quantitative information here.
As it is a 4 stor(e)y [AE/BE] house, the number of walls between the sensors and the console increases with each stor(e)y farther downstairs.

The main challenge for the exercise is maintaining the power supply of the consoles. Maybe I can use a power-bank, at least for the GW1000. For the WH2650WiFi a (very) long extension cord will be needed. Let's see when I find the time and the fitting equipment for this exercise.

I am aware that the signal strength indicators are not very helpful for a quantitative approach ( see https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=36486.0), but for a qualitative approach they should be usable (i.e. signal or no signal).
EDIT:
In fact they (the little bars) turned out to be useless for this exercise as they don't show signal strength but in how many past intervals data have been received from the respective sensor.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2021, 09:18:28 AM by Gyvate »
Froggit WH4000SE (=EW 2320E) 1.6.4/GW1100 2.1.4/Froggit DP1500 1.6.8 (+EW GW1000 (4) 1.6.8/7.2 test/backup)/HP1000SE Pro (HP2551) 1.6.4/1.7.8, WH2650 WiFi (2) 1.7.2,GW2000 2.1.4;
Ecowitt WS90-,WS80,WH40,WH65,WH31(5),WH31-EP(1),WN30/DP30 (1),WH32(1),WH32-EP(1),WH32B [T/H/P] (1), WH57 [Lightning] (1), WH41 [PM2.5] (2), WH51 [SoilMoisture] (5), WH45, WH55 (2)
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I'd like to do one more comparison, power consumption. I'm doing a solar powered project and every mA counts. I've measured the GW1000 at 80mA. Could someone please measure the current draw of the WH2650?

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I'd like to do one more comparison, power consumption. I'm doing a solar powered project and every mA counts. I've measured the GW1000 at 80mA. Could someone please measure the current draw of the WH2650?
I can only measure with my consumption measuring device - and that shows between 317 and 474 mWatts when I plug in the WH2650 only.
That should be between 63 and 95 mA or 79mA average.
Froggit WH4000SE (=EW 2320E) 1.6.4/GW1100 2.1.4/Froggit DP1500 1.6.8 (+EW GW1000 (4) 1.6.8/7.2 test/backup)/HP1000SE Pro (HP2551) 1.6.4/1.7.8, WH2650 WiFi (2) 1.7.2,GW2000 2.1.4;
Ecowitt WS90-,WS80,WH40,WH65,WH31(5),WH31-EP(1),WN30/DP30 (1),WH32(1),WH32-EP(1),WH32B [T/H/P] (1), WH57 [Lightning] (1), WH41 [PM2.5] (2), WH51 [SoilMoisture] (5), WH45, WH55 (2)
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The WH2650 WiFi is now sold in Germany (868 MHz variant) under the brands of Waldbeck (model: Waldbeck Halley) and Steinberg (model: SBS-WS-600), the latter with amazing 3 years of warranty  =D>
(at a very competitive price as a set with a T&H&P indoor sensor and a WH65 Osprey 7-in-1 array; at the time of posting for 66 EUR (https://www.expondo.de/steinberg-systems-wifi-wetterstation-aussensensor-innensensor-10030583) - you never got a brand new WH65 that cheap, especially not together with a functional GW1000).

EDIT: (08-Feb-2021)
the prices went up again to 89 EUR on both Amazon.de and 85 EUR expondo.de shipping included (expondo still with the 3-year warranty compared to 1-year with the other (re-)sellers).
At Froggit you still pay 130 EUR (delta = 40 EUR !!!  :roll:)

EDIT: (27-Jun-2021)
the WH2650 WiFi with the 7-in-1 WS69 outdoor array in the UK is at 99 GBP (Steinberg Systems sbd-ws-600) at expondo.co.uk, shipping included, 3 year warranty.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2021, 03:34:01 PM by Gyvate »
Froggit WH4000SE (=EW 2320E) 1.6.4/GW1100 2.1.4/Froggit DP1500 1.6.8 (+EW GW1000 (4) 1.6.8/7.2 test/backup)/HP1000SE Pro (HP2551) 1.6.4/1.7.8, WH2650 WiFi (2) 1.7.2,GW2000 2.1.4;
Ecowitt WS90-,WS80,WH40,WH65,WH31(5),WH31-EP(1),WN30/DP30 (1),WH32(1),WH32-EP(1),WH32B [T/H/P] (1), WH57 [Lightning] (1), WH41 [PM2.5] (2), WH51 [SoilMoisture] (5), WH45, WH55 (2)
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my la crosse ws 2800 stopped last weekend and searching for a replacement. I saw this topic and read some other topics at the forum. I think I can live without a console and can possibly add a console later or use an old tablet.

At the moment the price for the WH2650 WIFI clones are:

99,99 incl shipping, total 99,99 Waldback Halley

98.99 excl shipping 16, total 114,99   Steinberg sbs-ws-600

129,99 excl shipping 9,99, total 140 WH2600pro WIFI

When I read the description the Halley is missing humidity, it is described as a 6 in 1 instead of a 7 in 1, or is this a typo?

And the already mentioned 3 year warranty

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Whether Froggit WH2600PRo SE, Waldbeck Halley, or Steinberg Systems sbs-ws-600:
they all come with the WH65 outdoor array in Y or osprey shape and a WH32B indoor temperature/humidity/pressure sensor.
The 6-in1/7-in-1 is obviously a matter of product description/definition. So no worries.  ;)
In the Waldbeck Halley they count the outdoor temp/humidity sensor(hygrometer) as one sensor - hence 6-in-1.
In the German description of a Waldbeck Halley they say (translated) "thermometer respectively hygrometer".

If you live in NL (I conclude from the amazon.nl link), the Steinberg is 15 EUR more expensive at expondo.nl (115 EUR, shipping included) - maybe worth the 2 years more warranty.

If you have an old Android tablet (a new one also does the job, but the old may be repurposed and otherwise of little use), you can use the PWT app to display all your sensors. Of course the WSView app also shows all your sensors on your smartphone. Or you can install an Android emulator on a Windows PC, e.g. NOX, and watch the WSView app there. Or installl CumulsMX or weewx on a Raspberry Pi and see the data in a web browser. Ecowitt.net updates every minute if your console sends data there. You can also use the pwsWD template from Wim van der Kuil (www.pwsdashboard.com) - no extra software needed (ecowitt mode). My signature link shows how it can look (customizable). Many options.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2021, 05:47:32 AM by Gyvate »
Froggit WH4000SE (=EW 2320E) 1.6.4/GW1100 2.1.4/Froggit DP1500 1.6.8 (+EW GW1000 (4) 1.6.8/7.2 test/backup)/HP1000SE Pro (HP2551) 1.6.4/1.7.8, WH2650 WiFi (2) 1.7.2,GW2000 2.1.4;
Ecowitt WS90-,WS80,WH40,WH65,WH31(5),WH31-EP(1),WN30/DP30 (1),WH32(1),WH32-EP(1),WH32B [T/H/P] (1), WH57 [Lightning] (1), WH41 [PM2.5] (2), WH51 [SoilMoisture] (5), WH45, WH55 (2)
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thanks for your super quick reply :-). My ws-2800 was published to a website with weewx, I think I will do the same but will look what my options are if I setup something new.

didn't know (checked) that there was a Dutch website :-)
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There is a special weewx driver for the GW1000 API, which works meticulously (and the WH2650 is functionally a GW1000 - topic of the post  ;)).
Your WS-2800 probably worked with the interceptor driver. It still works with the GW1000, but has some restrictions and needs the customized server option in the console,
whereas the GW1000 API driver uses the full functionality of the GW1000 directly (and can handle all extra sensors from Ecowitt).
I have it running on my RPi4.
There is one little specialty regarding solar radiation:
with the weewx GW1000 API driver an extra entry needs to be made in the [[Corrections]] stanza of the [StdCalibrate]] section of weewx.conf:
"radiation = luminosity/126.7 if luminosity is not None else None"  (without "").
Otherwise no radiation is shown / archived.


Froggit WH4000SE (=EW 2320E) 1.6.4/GW1100 2.1.4/Froggit DP1500 1.6.8 (+EW GW1000 (4) 1.6.8/7.2 test/backup)/HP1000SE Pro (HP2551) 1.6.4/1.7.8, WH2650 WiFi (2) 1.7.2,GW2000 2.1.4;
Ecowitt WS90-,WS80,WH40,WH65,WH31(5),WH31-EP(1),WN30/DP30 (1),WH32(1),WH32-EP(1),WH32B [T/H/P] (1), WH57 [Lightning] (1), WH41 [PM2.5] (2), WH51 [SoilMoisture] (5), WH45, WH55 (2)
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can i use GW1000 without internet in my local network and where GW1000 save the data if i turn the computer off if i use (WeatherSmartIP) software ?

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can i use GW1000 without internet in my local network and where GW1000 save the data if i turn the computer off if i use (WeatherSmartIP) software ?
two things -
1. the WeatherSmart software doesn't work with a GW1000 (it works with a WH2350 and a HP3500 and probably some legacy models where the console stores data; a HP2551 console also stores data, however to retrieve them is a bit tricky).
The GW1000 is not a data logger, i.e. it doesn't store any data. For its data to store you either need software like CumulusMX, weewx, Meteobridge, Weather Display etc. or post the data to a Weather network like Ecowitt.net, Wunderground etc.
In any case, if you want to archive/conserve the data, it (the GW1000 and the archiving software) needs to be "always-on".
A GW1000/WH2650 + Raspberry Pi + weewx or + CumulusMX or + Meteobridge are often used solutions with low investment and low power consumption.

2. using it in a local network only can create some issues as it tries to contact ecowitt.net periodically. This is discussed in several threads here in the forum.
A combination of the FOSHKplugin, weewx/Meteobridge/CumulusMX with the GW1000 and some DNS redirection makes it possible to use the the GW1000 in your local network without an internet connection.

You can search with keywords GW1000, DNS and should find the respective posts.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2021, 05:32:23 PM by Gyvate »
Froggit WH4000SE (=EW 2320E) 1.6.4/GW1100 2.1.4/Froggit DP1500 1.6.8 (+EW GW1000 (4) 1.6.8/7.2 test/backup)/HP1000SE Pro (HP2551) 1.6.4/1.7.8, WH2650 WiFi (2) 1.7.2,GW2000 2.1.4;
Ecowitt WS90-,WS80,WH40,WH65,WH31(5),WH31-EP(1),WN30/DP30 (1),WH32(1),WH32-EP(1),WH32B [T/H/P] (1), WH57 [Lightning] (1), WH41 [PM2.5] (2), WH51 [SoilMoisture] (5), WH45, WH55 (2)
MeteobridgePro(2)[test,prod 5.4 May 07 2022, 14745 - Blake-Larsen Sun Recorder - RPi4/weewx 4.5.1/CumulusMX 3183/MB RPi4(2671)
Barani Meteoshield Pro, MetSpec Rad02
Ecowitt 5763,34418;WU ISAARB3(WH4000SE), ISAARB22(HP2553), http://meshka.eu