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Miscellaneous Debris => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: Garth Bock on September 08, 2021, 11:44:44 AM
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"The members of Congress know, from their colleagues in Congress that, uh, you know, the, looks like a tornado, they don't call them that anymore, that hit the crops and wetlands in the middle of the country, in Iowa and Nevada. It's just across the board."
Biden's definition of a tornado.... #-o :lol:
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You should have seen him in NYC and NJ yesterday, blaming the Ida floods on climate change and pushing his trillions-dollar infrastructure bill as the remedy.
He was standing in the exact same photo-op spot that has flooded every 5 years ever since Truman was in the White House...and probably long before that. How about just condemning that whole cesspool of a town instead of paying to rebuild it again?????
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This thread will not end well.
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I should have titled this - When Politicians Comment on the Weather.
I am an EOFP - Equal Opportunity Fun Poker - Not bashing Biden, and I make fun of Trump too.
Trump was outside during the hurricane and his hair didn't move. His hairspray is made by Gorilla Glue....
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This isn't about climate change or politicians. It's about the definition of insanity...doing the same thing over and over for decades expecting different results.
The area in question flooded when the native Americans inhabited it, and probably flooded the exact same way when cave dwellers were roaming the lowlands of NJ. It's a vicious cycle of taking the insurance money to pay for the last flood, fixing/flipping the house to another generation of homeowners who don't read the newspaper and can't read the freely-available FEMA flood plain maps, and then either writing the checks all over again in 5-10 years or surprising the new residents when they find out that their homeowner's insurance specifically excludes flood damage unless they paid through the nose for an additional flood insurance policy.....
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This thread will not end well.
I hope not. I just thought it was an embarrassingly funny statement about tornadoes.
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I hope not. I just thought it was an embarrassingly funny statement about tornadoes.
Please use the modern name for tornadoes so that younger people know what you're talking about.
:-)
[Edit: added smiley to show this was meant as a joke as some may have trouble figuring it out.]
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He did not understand
Derecho
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Done with this too. Guess Gerald Ford and Dan Quayle weren't funny either.
Oh and being from the Midwest... a tornado is still a tornado...
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I just meant that anything political, left or right usually goes off the rails pretty quick.
And what ever side your on is WRONG!
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Someone should do a poll on have you been vaccinated fully yet? do you wear a mask when in a crowd? Do you believe the recent weather hitting the USA is due to accelerated climate change? Do you believe in climate change? Has we pissed off God real good this time around on how we treat the earth?
Now there you have something rather than going after presidents. By the way have you ever looked at how "45? when written out in block numbers look like a schwaztica ?
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And what ever side your on is WRONG!
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=D> =D> :lol: :lol: :lol:
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And what ever side your on is WRONG!
:grin:
=D> =D> :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now you know we are never wrong.
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1. Someone should do a poll on have you been vaccinated fully yet? 2. do you wear a mask when in a crowd? 3. Do you believe the recent weather hitting the USA is due to accelerated climate change? 4. Do you believe in climate change? 5. Has we pissed off God real good this time around on how we treat the earth?
Now there you have something rather than going after presidents. By the way have you ever looked at how "45? when written out in block numbers look like a schwaztica ?
1. Played in the creek on the farm, drank rainwater, and ate snow in the 60's so natural immunity.
2. I wear a mask only when robbing someone.
3. No not where I'm at
4. Only when my ex girlfriend walks in the bar... another ice age starts. She is now Frosty The No Man...
5. No he is standing in line behind Mother Nature... She is kicking our ass first.
(Just kidding everyone) Masked and Vaxed here. Lost my best friend and a buddy to Covid and a friend of mine just tested positive after we had breakfast. I tested negative. As for the swastika comment... My grandfather's cousin was one of Hitler's generals. ( Did you know that Hitler's father changed their last name from Schiklgruber to Hitler ?)
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And what ever side your on is WRONG!
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=D> =D> :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now you know we are never wrong.
Don't you think if I was wrong.... I'd know it ! - Sheldon Cooper TBBT
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By the way have you ever looked at how "45? when written out in block numbers look like a schwaztica ?
I'd be ROTFFL at your inane comment except that your boy and his party in the WH are the ones whose turning the country in to Nazi Germany...but that's NOTHING to laugh about. After today's "speech" all he's done is alienate half the country AGAIN against each other. I'm NOT stuck...nor will I BE stuck. One hundred million righteous American's and the 2nd make for one hell of an army....and that's EXACTLY where we're headed. Make no mistake.
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By the way have you ever looked at how "45? when written out in block numbers look like a schwaztica ?
I'd be ROTFFL at your inane comment except that your boy and his party in the WH are the ones whose turning the country in to Nazi Germany...but that's NOTHING to laugh about. After today's "speech" all he's done is alienate half the country AGAIN against each other. I'm NOT stuck...nor will I BE stuck. One hundred million righteous American's and the 2nd make for one hell of an army....and that's EXACTLY where we're headed. Make no mistake.
=D> =D>
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Someone should do a poll on have you been vaccinated fully yet?
No. You can ridicule it all you want, but if you were truly of the party of science you would realize there is such a thing as natural immunity. I have had the virus, you can bet I am as safe as any vaccinated person.
do you wear a mask when in a crowd?
No. Again, I have a certain amount of immunity which is better than wearing an ineffective mask in order to show my mindless obedience. All the fearful people who are so afraid of getting the Wuhan Virus from me should be vaccinated. After all don't the vaccines work? So if you are vaccinated why are you so scared? If you're so scared, keep away! I don't like being around scared whiners anyway. I'm not going to give up my life and constantly wear an unhealthy mask because of the ignorance and phobias of others.
Do you believe the recent weather hitting the USA is due to accelerated climate change? Do you believe in climate change?
Yes! It's called WEATHER! :roll:
Has we pissed off God real good this time around on how we treat the earth?
If you believe in God, ask Him, read the Bible, or whatever. If you don't believe in God, then what does it matter? I don't think this is a place for irreverent religious questions.
Now there you have something rather than going after presidents. By the way have you ever looked at how "45? when written out in block numbers look like a schwaztica ?
I know you have never gone against presidents or politicians in the past, you're always so careful not to get into politics or offend. :roll:
I know if I wanted to go after Biden I would talk about what a disgrace he has been and how he has betrayed the country, not about his incoherent babblings.
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I just wish they would stop fiddling with the data to fake the numbers they think they need to justify whatever it is they are trying to justify, leave the weather alone, the weather will do whatever the weather wants to do and has been doing so since day zero. Every day there is some lost soul who has only the one answer regardless what the question is
- Parrots are apparently growing longer beaks, yep it's climate change
- Warming started in the 1700's, when up, went down, went down some more, went up a little and they still don't get
- They make a big deal re CO2 but currently the lowest it's ever been in known history, what's the excuse of the extremely high CO2 in the past million years, they don;t want to know
- It rains, it's climate change
- It doesn't rain, it's climate change
- Many sprout average global temperature, which can never be a direct "observation" yet they claim accuracy to fractions of a degree
- some need an excuse for every little thing
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.....constantly wear an unhealthy mask ....
What is the issue? Wore a mask at work for 12 hours straight every second day for last 18 months. No issues.
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What is the issue? Wore a mask at work for 12 hours straight every second day for last 18 months. No issues.
My understanding is that bacteria breeding in front of your face may not be good for you. But then, maybe it helps build up your immune system, but what does that matter if you're going to get a vaccine anyway? Besides not being comfortable, hindering communication, etc. I don't see how it can be healthy.
So why don't you get fully vaccinated? If you are vaccinated, then aren't you safe? If you're safe then why are you wearing a mask? Or have what they've told us in the past about vaccines being fully effective and the end-all been all wrong? Sort of like how we were only going to have to wear masks for a couple of weeks when this all started?
Maybe wearing a mask has been good for you, and maybe you enjoy it. I'm sure many people have said that there were no issues after having smoked for 18 months also. Time will tell all the unintended consequences of all this stuff being pushed.
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Wearing your mask pulled down beneath your nose actually HELPS other people...
...estimate your IQ.
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https://www.bitchute.com/embed/jmhDF6uQ3yXH/
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If people would take their masks and put them over their exhaust pipes, we could cut down on the particulates released into the air, and we would all be doing our part to reduce climate change.
Then maybe we wouldn't have to remember the names for all those weather phenomena type things, like whatever tornadoes are now called, because they wouldn't exist.
I think masks may be the answer to all the world's problems! :idea:
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Someone should do a poll on have you been vaccinated fully yet?
No. You can ridicule it all you want, but if you were truly of the party of science you would realize there is such a thing as natural immunity. I have had the virus, you can bet I am as safe as any vaccinated person.
do you wear a mask when in a crowd?
No. Again, I have a certain amount of immunity which is better than wearing an ineffective mask in order to show my mindless obedience. All the fearful people who are so afraid of getting the Wuhan Virus from me should be vaccinated. After all don't the vaccines work? So if you are vaccinated why are you so scared? If you're so scared, keep away! I don't like being around scared whiners anyway. I'm not going to give up my life and constantly wear an unhealthy mask because of the ignorance and phobias of others.
Do you believe the recent weather hitting the USA is due to accelerated climate change? Do you believe in climate change?
Yes! It's called WEATHER! :roll:
Has we pissed off God real good this time around on how we treat the earth?
If you believe in God, ask Him, read the Bible, or whatever. If you don't believe in God, then what does it matter? I don't think this is a place for irreverent religious questions.
Now there you have something rather than going after presidents. By the way have you ever looked at how "45? when written out in block numbers look like a schwaztica ?
I know you have never gone against presidents or politicians in the past, you're always so careful not to get into politics or offend. :roll:
I know if I wanted to go after Biden I would talk about what a disgrace he has been and how he has betrayed the country, not about his incoherent babblings.
need a sense of humor… :grin: :grin:
stop complaining your nose is too big to wear a mask , i still have to wear underpants… :grin:
if mRNA vaccine alters our DNA why am I still ugly .. :grin:
ps doubled mRNA Pfizer-BioNTech vaxed since April appointment for third dose next tuesday…!!
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I just wish they would stop fiddling with the data to fake the numbers they think they need to justify whatever it is they are trying to justify, leave the weather alone, the weather will do whatever the weather wants to do and has been doing so since day zero. Every day there is some lost soul who has only the one answer regardless what the question is
- Parrots are apparently growing longer beaks, yep it's climate change
- Warming started in the 1700's, when up, went down, went down some more, went up a little and they still don't get
- They make a big deal re CO2 but currently the lowest it's ever been in known history, what's the excuse of the extremely high CO2 in the past million years, they don;t want to know
- It rains, it's climate change
- It doesn't rain, it's climate change
- Many sprout average global temperature, which can never be a direct "observation" yet they claim accuracy to fractions of a degree
- some need an excuse for every little thing
My wish too what they are doing now with rural ASOS stations is despicable IMO. It's easy to spot which stations are altered (+1.8f) just look at the RH. It looks like the long-time established climate stations (rural) are the primary stations unable to reach above 94%, the same station's scientists look at for determining our warming rate.
This is the result of 13+ years of appointees heading NOAA by the party of hysteria. I'm not a denier I do believe we are warming but faking it so congress can pass strangling legislation on climate control is just wrong. It skews not only our historic records but also our actual warming rate is. And then we have these ignorant Republicans who are clueless on what's going on they didn't even fight for the head of NOAA position when they had a chance so these fat cats appointed by Obama have had free reign 13+ years and are getting rather bold messing with actual data now. Oh, and that +1.8f happens to be within the manufacture spec on temperature so even if busted nothing will happen.
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ps doubled mRNA Pfizer-BioNTech vaxed since April appointment for third dose next tuesday…!!
Might want to keep all your Tuesdays open. I think booster shots may start coming about once a week.
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ps doubled mRNA Pfizer-BioNTech vaxed since April appointment for third dose next tuesday…!!
Might want to keep all your Tuesdays open. I think booster shots may start coming about once a week.
:shock:
:grin: you could be right .. in all seriousness it’s NOT mandatory so the choice is mine and living in a city of 20 million in a radius of 120km the risk factor is still very high , i just simply do not want to end up in an ICU , having a relative who recovered after spending 10 days in ICU i just dont want too go through that at my age he is 39 ..as for masks that is mandatory so not much choice on that one just do the right thing to go about daily life best we can..
climate change im unconvinced but not ignorant just unconvinced of the real cause probably to much variety of information to digest to come to any conclusion ..all our disasters here (turkey) this summer had that element of man made problems, severe flooding occurred in areas where construction of roads,homes were dense and poorly designed at foot of mountainous areas , rainwater no where to run but solid concrete .fire outbreaks here much of it started by human ignorance, i.e barbecue on a day where temp hits 40c/104F and very low humidity in forestry picnic area or alike or as caught on camera young adolescent simply throwing there cigarettes stubs into grassland at side of roads..
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What is the issue? Wore a mask at work for 12 hours straight every second day for last 18 months. No issues.
My understanding is that bacteria breeding in front of your face may not be good for you. But then, maybe it helps build up your immune system, but what does that matter if you're going to get a vaccine anyway? Besides not being comfortable, hindering communication, etc. I don't see how it can be healthy.
So why don't you get fully vaccinated? If you are vaccinated, then aren't you safe? If you're safe then why are you wearing a mask? Or have what they've told us in the past about vaccines being fully effective and the end-all been all wrong? Sort of like how we were only going to have to wear masks for a couple of weeks when this all started?
Maybe wearing a mask has been good for you, and maybe you enjoy it. I'm sure many people have said that there were no issues after having smoked for 18 months also. Time will tell all the unintended consequences of all this stuff being pushed.
If a bacterial infection was going to harm me I'm guessing I would know that by now. Fresh washable or disposable.....I never felt I had anything dirty on my face. Communication does suck at times.
I am fully vaccinated......all our employees are.....(it's Federal requirement now too) ......that's why we don't have to wear the masks at work now. They were useful to prevent the case where it could spread among those yet un-vaccinated. The only outbreak issue we had in the company (pre-vaccine) was traced to not following protocol.
A vaccine built on previous knowledge plus new data is not something that particularly scares me. Half the population not protecting themselves from getting severely sick and/or spreading a nasty infectious bug......that scares me.
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Forget Biden, look at what former US vice president Al Gore has been peddling for the past 20 years, still waiting for his crazed claims to materialize :shock: Remember the 2009 claim that the north pole will be ice-free by 2013 because of man-made global warming, and this character was vice president, oh yeah another misunderstand comment by another misunderstood (incompetent) vice president
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ps doubled mRNA Pfizer-BioNTech vaxed since April appointment for third dose next tuesday
Might want to keep all your Tuesdays open. I think booster shots may start coming about once a week.
:shock:
How did you arrange the extra vaccinations ? Weren't you keeping it from a first timer ? (Not judging. I live in a hot area and considered that myself) Any noticeable side affects after the second set ?
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Ach mein himmel, maybe those of you who are anti-masking, no vaccine for you, will you do two things? go get exposed quickly, don't go to the hospital and waste resources and then promptly die off !!!
Those of you morons who think you know it all, are very annoying to those of us who do know it all.
Harsh? I hope you and the Mu variant become buddies
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Forget Biden, look at what former US vice president Al Gore has been peddling for the past 20 years, still waiting for his crazed claims to materialize :shock: Remember the 2009 claim that the north pole will be ice-free by 2013 because of man-made global warming, and this character was vice president, oh yeah another misunderstand comment by another misunderstood (incompetent) vice president
It is ice free . Polar bears are dying, pull your head out of your hiney and look around.
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Forget Biden, look at what former US vice president Al Gore has been peddling for the past 20 years, still waiting for his crazed claims to materialize :shock: Remember the 2009 claim that the north pole will be ice-free by 2013 because of man-made global warming, and this character was vice president, oh yeah another misunderstand comment by another misunderstood (incompetent) vice president
It is ice free . Polar bears are dying, pull your head out of your hiney and look around.
Wow! Talk about misinformation, Aardvark! Use your own advice, please.
Current North Pole Ice (http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/).
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Ach mein himmel, maybe those of you who are anti-masking, no vaccine for you, will you do two things? go get exposed quickly, don't go to the hospital and waste resources and then promptly die off !!!
Those of you morons who think you know it all, are very annoying to those of us who do know it all.
Harsh? I hope you and the Mu variant become buddies
Again, if you are vaccinated and faithfully following Dr. Fauci and your other gods, what are you worried about? Is the vaccine effective or not? Do you reason things out or do you just follow party dogma?
In any case, I'm not about to take orders from you, or a president who has surrendered to and aids and abets the enemy while deserting his own citizens and treating them as if they're the enemy, and who is ignoring the Constitution. Berating and insulting people are not the way to get compliance.
As I already mentioned, I have had the virus. I know it disappoints you that I didn't suffer any lasting or serious consequences. Too bad! I didn't even take up any of the medical resources that you would have us believe are all being squandered by the great unwashed, unmasked, and unvaccinated. I also know that you, along with the rest of your partisans, don't understand natural immunity, community (herd) immunity, or things like that, which is another reason that I do not take orders from you.
So again, is the vaccine effective or not?
If the vaccine is effective, and you have had it, why are you so scared of those who haven't had it?
If the vaccine is not effective, then why do you deign to order others to get it?
Those of you morons who think you know it all, are very annoying to those of us who do know it all.
Maybe you mean things like this as a joke. I know my intentions aren't always clear when I write. But at least to me you come across as an arrogant, yet ignorant man. Not to mention hateful, fearful and hypocritical. I doubt there's much worse in life than living in hate and fear, not even a virus. But hate and fear seems to be the platform of the party you hold so faithfully to.
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How did you arrange the extra vaccinations ? Weren't you keeping it from a first timer ? (Not judging. I live in a hot area and considered that myself) Any noticeable side affects after the second set ?
good evening my mistake it is October for third vax appointment . im in turkey so I cant speak for how it works in other countries.but we simply have an app that notifies you of eligibility for vaccination appointment you just choose the date and nearest place .
here in turkey aprox 9 million here have received a third dose that said we began rolling out vaccine in January so a large percentage of the adult population has been fully vaccinated. we have been fortunate here because politics never ever came into the equation so only obstacle has been those who question the science which is generally a social media thing drumming up misinformation.
“Turkey, which is using both the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and the jab developed by the Chinese company Sinovac in its inoculation drive that was rolled out in mid-January, is already offering the third doses.
According to data from the Health Ministry, more than 9 million people have been given the third dose of the COVID-19 vaccine.This week 100 million milestone of with just over 101 million vaccines have been administered since January.Population of country aprox 80 million including children.. “
only thing I will say lockdowns and restrictions did nothing beneficial just caused financial problems and mental health problems for many .
@snowhiker i can only speak for what I see here in turkey so take what you want from below but the 90% unvaccinated being hospitalized is no brainer ..
hospitalized due to covid
unvaccinated people currently are 90% of those currently hospitalized
7% hospitalized have received 1 dose
2% hospitalized have received 2 doses and have generally an underlying condition.. vaccine has been our only benefit .
masks are mandatory with penalty but there is no evidence they have proven beneficial against current delta variant and we have 2 local cases MU variant reported this week. There is no shortage of vaccine here and pretty much available on demand for the adult population..
@garth
edit missed your question…
second dose no side effects worth worrying about just a bit of fatigue for 24 hours
So moral of this vaccine is the only positive option we currently have .
and as I quoted earlier being humorous “if mRNA changes your DNA why am I still ugly” :grin:
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So again, is the vaccine effective or not?
If the vaccine is effective, and you have had it, why are you so scared of those who haven't had it?...
Yes it is effective.....to the degree that it has been described as being. It does not totally prevent infection. It greatly reduces your chance of getting very, very sick. And it makes you somewhat less transmissible if you do have it. So even if vaccinated, masks can be a good idea in certain enclosed settings.
So we are not so much scared OF un-vaccinated as we are scared FOR them. If by chance we did get it and spread it, they are vulnerable. Just like all the kids who are not eligible. Do it for the kids, if nothing else.
And not scared of, but at least somewhat annoyed at, because the longer un-vaccinated folks float around getting sick the longer business etc. is held back from full operation (for various reasons) and the more chance the virus has to continue to mutate and be resistant if everyone eventually does get vax........and the vicious cycle goes on.
Quickly and consistently doing all the measures possible is the best way to stamp it out.
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Yes it is effective.....to the degree that it has been described as being. It does not totally prevent infection. It greatly reduces your chance of getting very, very sick. And it makes you somewhat less transmissible if you do have it. So even if vaccinated, masks can be a good idea in certain enclosed settings.
So we are not so much scared OF un-vaccinated as we are scared FOR them. If by chance we did get it and spread it, they are vulnerable. Just like all the kids who are not eligible. Do it for the kids, if nothing else.
And not scared of, but at least somewhat annoyed at, because the longer un-vaccinated folks float around getting sick the longer business etc. is held back from full operation (for various reasons) and the more chance the virus has to continue to mutate and be resistant if everyone eventually does get vax........and the vicious cycle goes on.
Quickly and consistently doing all the measures possible is the best way to stamp it out.
Thanks for giving a reasoned argument!
Though I did find it significant you didn't address natural immunity.
I wonder, are all these precautions actually prolonging the pandemic and allowing more chance for mutation, rather than just letting those who are not at high risk get the virus and allow "herd immunity" to do its work? I can agree that high-risk individuals should take all the precautions they can.
It's becoming apparent to me that it is not going to be stamped out anytime soon, or ever, despite all the promises of getting back to normal if we just obediently follow the ever-changing rules as we go along. That's why I tend to think the cure (prevention, or whatever) is worse than the disease. How many of the dire consequences that have been predicted have come to pass?
Last I knew, kids weren't at high risk. Don't take unnecessary risks with them, but why not let them live normal and natural lives and become immune? I know you don't have a problem with masks, but I think making kids wear masks for hours at a time at least borders on child abuse. But I'm one who didn't really even enjoy wearing Halloween masks when I was kid.
As the unvaccinated chose not to get vaccinated, then I see no need to be scared for them or take extra precautions on account of them. There may have been a purpose in that before the vaccine became widely available. I may be wrong, but I believe most taking all these precautions are either doing it because they're ordered to, or they're concerned for themselves or their families.
Anyway, I'll give you'll a respite for awhile as I really need to get some work done.
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The thing with allowing it to go for the herd is the mutating. More live subjects to base it on.
Doing nothing and trying for herd immunity seems would have been disastrous.....maybe IDK......but I think it would have.
Dire consequences have not happened bacuase at least some things are being done. But that is why we are not getting to the end either......SOME things are being done.
Kids are certainly becoming many of the cases now, and in hospital too. And it worries me the inflammatory problem identified in kids post-Covid infection. Not good to let them get it. Going to school now they are doing a lot of higher risk mingling than many were in the summer with immediate family or maybe a small group.
Immunity can be an issue in the young and in the old. Young immune systems do not have the knowledge to know how to fight and old systems are becoming weaker. They are both higher risk groups.
I hate seeing kids wearing masks in a way. Not in an abuse way but lack of ability to express freely.
I would like to see it all come to an end. I am doing what I believe is the best way to help. I know there are a lot of extreme beliefs each way that are full on crackpot. Surely somewhere in the middle can prevail.
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I see it was the hottest summer on record in the USA
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We have said the last three years at least it is crappy spring then BOOM! Heat Wave! until the end of August.
Had to get gazebo with curtains for shade to even sit outside. Makes me think of Sheikhs in the desert in tents.
Winter has transitioned into more Ice Rain and transitional weather. Used to have a nice cool winter for several months with predictable snow. Now it could be anything from thunder-downpour to baseball hail.
I say more extreme stuff for sure.
I don't buy that we can really do anything about it.
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it was also Europe's Hottest summer on record
And parts of the southern hemisphere have had their warmest winter on record
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Forget Biden, look at what former US vice president Al Gore has been peddling for the past 20 years, still waiting for his crazed claims to materialize :shock: Remember the 2009 claim that the north pole will be ice-free by 2013 because of man-made global warming, and this character was vice president, oh yeah another misunderstand comment by another misunderstood (incompetent) vice president
It is ice free . Polar bears are dying, pull your head out of your hiney and look around.
Wow! Talk about misinformation, Aardvark! Use your own advice, please.
Current North Pole Ice (http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/).
To quote your own reference, Oh I should apologize, you can't read with comprehension:
The decline in sea ice extent during August was relatively slow but steady after a pause in ice loss around August 9. The average daily loss was 33,000 square kilometers (12,700 square miles) per day, although by the end of the month the pace of ice loss increased to 51,000 square kilometers (19,700 square miles) per day as areas within the Beaufort and Chukchi Sea started to lose more ice. The monthly average extent for August 2021 is 5.75 million square kilometers (2.22 million square miles) (Figure 1a). This is 1.03 million square kilometers (398,000 square miles) above the record low for the month set in 2012 and 1.45 million square kilometers (560,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average.
Now for the bears:
The consequences of climate change are unfolding far more rapidly and intensely in the Arctic than anywhere else in the world. Soaring temperatures, rapidly melting ice and snow, rising sea levels and acidifying oceans are threatening all Arctic wildlife, from great whales to tiny plankton — not just the iconic polar bear.
A new report from the Center and Care for the Wild International, Extinction: It’s Not Just for Polar Bears, chronicles the most profound climatic changes in the Arctic and documents the impacts those changes are already having on wildlife, with a focus on 17 species at risk. The report concludes with a roadmap of actions needed to preserve the Arctic as we know it today. Because what’s happening in the Arctic is an early example of climate change’s frightening effects on the entire planet, we must protect this region if we want to protect ourselves.
Key findings of the report:
Arctic meltdown: Losing the Arctic as we know it
The Arctic has warmed at twice the rate of the rest of the globe on average.
Summer sea ice fell to a record low in 2007 and has not recovered since.
The Greenland ice sheet is rapidly thinning as meltpools and moulins form on its surface and enormous chunks of ice break off its edges.
The Arctic Ocean is becoming more acidic as it absorbs carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, which threatens to make conditions unlivable for many shell-building species by 2050.
The Arctic plays a critical role in keeping the rest of the planet cool, keeping powerful greenhouse gases locked up in its permafrost layer and driving the circulation of the global ocean; climate change is breaking down the Arctic’s ability to carry out these functions.
Wildlife on the edge: Species being pushed to the brink
The report highlights climate change impacts on 17 species: the Arctic fox; polar bear; Pacific walrus; four ice seals (ringed, bearded, harp and ribbon seals); four whales (gray, beluga, bowhead and narwhal); sea butterfly; three seabirds (Kittlitz’s murrelet, spectacled eider and ivory gull); and two terrestrial mammals (caribou/reindeer and muskox). Many species are suffering declines in abundance, and for some, extinction may not be far off.
The Arctic fox, which roams across tundra and sea ice, is disappearing from the southern edge of its range. At sea, it faces the loss of sea-ice foraging grounds. On land, it faces the northward retreat of tundra habitat, declines in lemming prey, and increased competition with red foxes, which are moving north as temperatures warm.
Ice-dependent marine mammals are suffering die-offs and population declines as they lose the sea-ice habitat they need to give birth, raise young, hunt, rest and hide from predators.
Arctic whales are at risk from increasing offshore oil drilling and shipping activity as areas become ice-free, which heightens threats from oil spills, ship strikes and noise.
Ocean plankton like the tiny sea butterfly face increasingly hostile conditions from ocean acidification, which inhibits their building of protective shells and skeletons.
Seabirds that forage near glaciers and sea ice are losing their feeding grounds and resting places, while thawing permafrost threatens to drain their wetland breeding habitat.
Tundra dwellers like the caribou and muskox are being affected by warmer spring temperatures that alter food abundance, as well as extreme winter weather events leaving dense snow and ice crusts that obstruct their access to food.
Climate change is having profound impacts not only on individual species but also on the Arctic ecosystems to which they belong. Entire habitats are vanishing, and ecological communities are being torn apart.
Your comments lead me to believe that your interest in climate is lacking and you are ignorant on the subject.
https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/climate_law_institute/the_arctic_meltdown/arctic_extinction_report.html
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ps, thank you davidmc36 for your very good info re vaccination and masks
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I wonder, are all these precautions actually prolonging the pandemic and allowing more chance for mutation, rather than just letting those who are not at high risk get the virus and allow "herd immunity" to do its work?
How are you suggesting we do that? From what I have seen of the Delta variant, it is increasingly seriously affecting people who had no known risk factors other than not being not vaccinated.
Looking at other diseases, this is unlikely to work, anyway. Look at the Flu. Have we gained "herd immunity" from the Flu? Perhaps from some strains, but while it floats around in the population who don't die from the strain they have, there is a chance that a mutation will occur and be passed on. Which is why the Flu vaccine changes year upon year.
I recall TB, Polio, Whooping Cough and a myriad of other diseases that were around when I was young. These diseases were not (nearly) eradicated because the population had gained "herd immunity" - they had been around a long time before I was born. They were knocked on the head because we all lined up and got a vaccination.
Anyway "Herd Immunity" does not eliminate a disease, it reduces the spread of the disease. I would rather have actual immunity than rely on everyone else around me having immunity so I don't get exposed. It annoys me when there is some sobbing parent on the news because their kid is in hospital with Whooping Cough because they didn't vaccinate the kid against all medical advice. They decided that it wasn't necessary because they lived a healthy lifestyle and there was "herd immunity". I feel sorry for the kid for being so painfully ill and especially because it has idiot parents. No sympathy for the parents.
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The people that are testing positive for covid are those who have never had covid regardless of vaccination status. This will continue to be true no matter how many booster shots are required. My whole family tested positive in December of last year. I have no fear of getting covid a second time. Natural immunity has been proven to be stronger than any vaccination (at least the current vaccinations) which shouldn't be surprising to anyone....but common sense has left the building.
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Natural immunity has been proven to be stronger than any vaccination (at least the current vaccinations) which shouldn't be surprising to anyone....but common sense has left the building.
=D> However, "common sense" has nothing to do with it. Control and power do.
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Two specific things stand out with the homogenization of historical data, the peer review claims (interpreted as you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours), now where's our grant money.
Another thing is the Global Warming term which had to go as that didn't explain the cooling so come the term climate change and now it didn't matter if it was cooling or warming, they clap both hands for their grant money
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what cooling are you talking about?
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Two specific things stand out with the homogenization of historical data, the peer review claims (interpreted as you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours), now where's our grant money.
Another thing is the Global Warming term which had to go as that didn't explain the cooling so come the term climate change and now it didn't matter if it was cooling or warming, they clap both hands for their grant money
In Iowa , it was spent on salary bonus for the governor and her staff, a new computer system, and now media for jobs. None went for what it was intended for.
Again, with global warming, if the government isn't doing a lot it is up to us, the people.
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The people that are testing positive for covid are those who have never had covid regardless of vaccination status. This will continue to be true no matter how many booster shots are required. My whole family tested positive in December of last year. I have no fear of getting covid a second time. Natural immunity has been proven to be stronger than any vaccination (at least the current vaccinations) which shouldn't be surprising to anyone....but common sense has left the building.
Most people buy a car with a lot of airbags and some even wear their seat belts. We all know that even though these may deploy in a collision , we might still be injured or very dead. Yet we do use them. The same thing with vaccinations, I think I would rather have them on board and hope they work and save me, but if I get sick that they will soften the impact of the virus and at least give me a fighting chance. The antibodies from having the virus wear down at a faster rate than the vaccine, it is the mechanism of how the vaccines actually work which seem to be better than the original model, us.
Now I am glad you have no fear of getting this again or even ever. BUT if you do get it a second time or even a third time, please do not go to the hospital and take up resources from me, because the damn airbag deployed and broke my face.
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Several things
Tests have shown that natural immunity wanes quicker than the vaccines' protection. Recovery from Covid plus the vaccine has shown stronger protection than the vaccine alone.
Moderna is testing a combination flu/covid vaccine. No.. the plan is not to trick people to get the Covid vaccine.
Atea Pharmaceutical has a new promising treatment. https://ir.ateapharma.com/news-releases/news-release-details/ateas-527-oral-antiviral-drug-candidate-reduces-viral/
Astrazeneca is studying blocking the replication enzyme.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210303/Pharmacists-discover-active-substances-that-block-SARS-CoV-2-replication.aspx
Some of the Covid tests produce false positives with the PCR being most reliable. An unvaccinated person can be infected and asymptomatic, spread the virus and not get sick. The reason for this is still being studied. The vaccine has shown to prevent them from being a "Typhoid Mary".
Hospitals are reporting the largest majority of patients and the deaths are among the unvaccinated regardless of their health or age. (Naysayers will say the numbers are fake).
I got Vaxed and am masked for one reason...if I was not vaccinated and I got it and gave it to someone else and caused them to be very sick or die....I would never be able to forgive myself.
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Forgot about the Global warming. The real problem is Global Stupidity and Craziness. So many senseless murders, looting, riots, attacks on innocent people, illegal immigration, BLM, CRT, Socialism... the list goes on. Our society is slowly crumbling. It seems this has escalated in the past few years.
I think Ellen Ripley (Sigourney Weaver - Aliens) said it best " Has IQ's sharply dropped ?.."
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@Weather34....I would like to visit Turkey..... I need to get away from all this over here.
Oh and for the record the vaccine has not changed my DNA... I am still the same homely redneck biker. Microsoft is not tied into me... the updates would kill me. I am not magnetic..... my keys are usually in the couch and not stuck to my body. I don't interfere with 5G.... My phone shows the same status as my area... No Bars !
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Forgot about the Global warming. The real problem is [...], Socialism... the list goes on. Our society is slowly crumbling. It seems this has escalated in the past few years.
I often wonder if everyone has the same definition of what socialism is.
The following countries are considered to be "socialist", albeit democratic socialist: Norway, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Great Britain, Canada, the Netherlands, Spain, Ireland, Belgium, Switzerland, Australia, Japan, and New Zealand. One has to wonder what about these countries is "the real problem".
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You can bash natural immunity all you want but I know 8 people that have tested positive in the last month and all have been vaccinated. None had covid previously. I know no one who that has had covid twice. Some studies have shown that immunity may last a life time. One would think this is a good thing? Only time will tell I guess. Will be sure to post if someone I know gets covid twice but hope I never see it.
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@Weather34....I would like to visit Turkey..... I need to get away from all this over here.
Oh and for the record the vaccine has not changed my DNA... I am still the same homely redneck biker. Microsoft is not tied into me... the updates would kill me. I am not magnetic..... my keys are usually in the couch and not stuck to my body. I don't interfere with 5G.... My phone shows the same status as my area... No Bars !
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its a beautiful country , once you venture out of the urban city areas you will see the other side … its a diverse landscape ,diverse in culture a road trip by bike or car ,camper van is highly recommended to experience the culture.
those that think because they have had the virus and are immune need to think and get that logic out of their heads .. true stories
My american friend Jason living here in Istanbul tested positive last April 2020 felt pretty rough for 3 weeks and recovered picked up life where he left off.. tested positive again 1st week december passed away January 2nd 2021 .he was 48 years old from Texas USA non smoker , drank liquor occasionally,craved for Tacos..
My UK old school friend steve tested positive in August 2020 recovered with hospital treatment,tested positive in March 2021 passed away April 2021 ..
i can go on but moral of this is if you have had the virus does NOT make you immune.you are like us all at risk ,the vaccine does not make you immune merely reduces probability of being hospitalized..thats it and thats all we got right now to move forward with..
as above lockdowns are catastrophic long term in many ways they also reduce your ability to adapt .
sooner or later the requirements of having been vaccinated will have more impact on many things , like other parts of the world we have seen the requirement of proof of vaccine or a negative PCR test in last 72 hours to travel internationally,travel between cities ,schools ,here in turkey by plane or bus,car etc.shopping malls,cinemas,sporting venues and whole lot more all require you to have received 2 doses or a negative PCR test..
sooner or later medical insurance and other everyday needs will be governed by proof of vaccination until this pandemic is eradicated to a low level threat. I cant do much without showing my vaccination card in many places at present .seems I use it more than id card and my credit card at present ..seems to be just a normal expectation you get used to it..
so get vaccinated so you can live without some of the current inconvenience and future inconveniences..
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what cooling are you talking about?
What we know in hindsight and this is way more important than some of the assumptions many are wishing for is that warming started in the 1700's which can't be blamed on aerosol can it :roll: then from the 1940's the temperatures actually cooled for around 4 decades and again this is fact not some future prediction many are hoping for AND this also occurred when CO2 levels were supposedly on the rise and the cause of so called global warming, which had to be changed to climate change as the temperatures were actually falling and not rising which pissed a lot of people off as it didn't sit well with any of the $$'s being splashed on proving global warming as it wasn't warming it was actually cooling and where the term climate change had to be invented to cover their ar$e.
It's really amazing how very few people don't want to look at the overall historical actual data trend and only want to concentrate on yesterday's figures after the real data has been manipulated, very bad science :grin:
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If cruise ships and aeroplanes were banned the virus would still be a Chinese made problem and still in China!
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You can bash natural immunity all you want but I know 8 people that have tested positive in the last month and all have been vaccinated. None had covid previously. I know no one who that has had covid twice. Some studies have shown that immunity may last a life time. One would think this is a good thing? Only time will tell I guess. Will be sure to post if someone I know gets covid twice but hope I never see it.
I wonder where you are getting this information - surely not just from the limited number of people you know personally? Perhaps you can provide some sources? I know people who have been reinfected, but that is hardly authorative, so I'll do what I'm asking of you. I'll provide a published source. The Nevada case referenced should be easy enough to confirm, if you care to.
After this analysis was presented to policymakers (see electronic supplementary material, Accompanying Letter), the first case of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 was reported in a 33-year-old male in Hong Kong in August 2020, 142 days after his initial diagnosis [30]. Following the first infection in March, the patient was discharged from hospital after two negative PCR results. Genomic sequencing confirmed that the viruses in March and August were from distinct clades. Reinfections have since been reported in single cases in the USA [31], Ecuador [32] and Belgium [33] at 48, 63 and 93 days, respectively, from the first reported infections. Two asymptomatic reinfections were also reported in Indian healthcare workers 108 and 111 days from the initial infection [34]. The case of reinfection in the USA, in a 25-year-old male from Nevada, was notable for the second infection causing more severe symptoms than the first, and led to the patient requiring supplemental oxygen and hospitalization. While these reported cases confirm the biological plausibility of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2, the data are too sparse to infer an expected duration of immunity at the population level.
It is also relatively easy to see that the jury is out on whether immunity across the population will last forever. This is particularly relevant with talk of second boosters - not something one would do if it was clear that immunity would continue.
That's shorter than the eight-month interval flagged by US health officials, who are this month expected to begin offering boosters to residents who have received two doses of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.
Aug 25 (Reuters) - U.S. health regulators could approve a third COVID-19 shot for adults beginning at least six months after full vaccination, instead of the previously announced eight-month gap, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday.
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I'm not really sure how this devolved from stumbling weather commentating to COVID, but...
I pray more of us release the fear and follow the path. Listen to your heart and do what is best for you and your family.
- For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.
- Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- He who gives his freedom for safety gets none of them.
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If cruise ships and aeroplanes were banned the virus would still be a Chinese made problem and still in China!
I remember a quote from an old article (in the 70's ?) that said international travel would ignite and spread the next world epidemic. Shutting down travel quickly woul be the only way to stop it.
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If cruise ships and aeroplanes were banned the virus would still be a Chinese made problem and still in China!
I remember a quote from an old article (in the 70's ?) that said international travel would ignite and spread the next world epidemic. Shutting down travel quickly woul be the only way to stop it.
But the shutdown can never be quick enough, can it, leaving us always grasping at 'coulda, shoulda, woulda' and 'next time we'll know better'. Fat chance!
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I'm not really sure how this devolved from stumbling weather commentating to COVID, but...
I pray more of us release the fear and follow the path. Listen to your heart and do what is best for you and your family.
- For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.
- Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- He who gives his freedom for safety gets none of them.
Sorry, This post didn't seem to make any sense.
I've not had any medical training, so I'm not quite sure why you think that if I look into my heart I can come up with the best, medically speaking, for me and my family. I'm not a mechanic either, so will that also work if I need to fix my car?
"For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it" - Matthew 16:24.
Now let's put it context and see what Jesus was talking about.
"Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?" - Matthew 16:24 - 26.
It was about becoming a disciple of Jesus, so COVID irrelevant.
"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
So what was BF taking about when he wrote those words?
It would appear that "He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns" - source - https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famous-liberty-safety-quote-lost-its-context-in-21st-century
About tax, so irrelevant to COVID.
It only makes sense to put in quotes from famous people if they are in the same context as the topic. If not they aren't offering sage advice about the subject and it is just a bit naughty to imply that, for example, when BF was really talking about tax, he was actually offering advice relevant to handlling a pandemic.
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BUT if you do get it a second time or even a third time, please do not go to the hospital and take up resources from me, because the damn airbag deployed and broke my face.
Do you believe that teen boys who are reportedly six times more likely to suffer heart problems from the vaccine than to be hospitalized with the virus should be allowed to go to the hospital and take up your resources? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/09/teenage-boys-risk-vaccines-covid/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1631205198
Please do not go to the hospital because an airbag deployed in your face when you were too demented to be driving, even if you think the road belongs to you and no one else should be on it.
Please don't got to the hospital if any long term consequences from the vaccine to you or your offspring become apparent.
So while we see a bunch of anecdotal evidence both ways on natural immunity, Fauci indicates that he doesn't have a clue, as usual, when asked whether those who have had the virus should get vaccinated when studies have indicated that natural immunity is more durable.
"You know, that's a really good point, Sanjay. I don't have a really firm answer to you on that,"
"That's something that we're going to have to discuss, regarding the durability of the response,"
"So it is conceivable that you got infected, you're protected, but you may not be protected for an indefinite period of time,"
It's not like he hasn't had time to consider and study the matter. But no matter what; obey, get vaccinated, and shut-up. Yet despite their ever-changing facts and ignorance, we're supposed to blindly trust them. Weren't the vaccines touted to be virtually 100% effective when they first came out. Now they're just so-so effective, but still necessary along with continuing to take all the other restrictive and damaging measures. So shut-up and take it.
It doesn't give me confidence when the most clueless people throughout the pandemic seem to be those calling themselves epidemiologists and virologists and such, especially the proven liar Fauci. Their "qualifications" were evident from the start when they automatically spouted the Chinese propaganda claiming that it was unlikely the virus had started in the lab in the immediate vicinity of where the virus started that studies gain-of-function on coronaviruses. "Duh, well, okay, maybe it did come from the lab, but if it did, it must have been when someone bought a bat out of a vending machine in the break room for lunch that just happened to have a naturally occurring coronavirus, unrelated to the studies, that just immediately jumped species. The employee that bought the bat out of the snack machine is suspected to have been a pangolin. Just one really big coincidence."
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Sorry, This post didn't seem to make any sense.
You're correct on all the contexts, sir. My original intent was to pray for all to stop living in fear and trust the holy spirit.
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Sorry, This post didn't seem to make any sense.
You're correct on all the contexts, sir. My original intent was to pray for all to stop living in fear and trust the holy spirit.
In Matthew 9, the Pharisees asked Jesus why he spent time with sinners. He replied, 'It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick' (Matthew 9:12). Jesus recognised that sick people need doctors. He did not condemn using doctors and 'earthly' remedies.
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I didn't mean to turn this into a bad dinner party. :grin: Started out with politics, then economy, and now religion. :-) UU :-D
This has been a good level headed discussion. Much better than my buddies who call this a hoax-demic and believe the election was stolen from Trump and exposed me to Covid (he is quarantined and most likely will end up in the hospital). Oh and one believes the deaths were due to an underlying health problem basically saying that nature is weeding out the weak. Holy Crap !
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In Matthew 9, the Pharisees asked Jesus why he spent time with sinners. He replied, 'It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick' (Matthew 9:12). Jesus recognised that sick people need doctors. He did not condemn using doctors and 'earthly' remedies.
But apparently not all doctors or remedies are good:
[Mark 5:25] And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years, [Mark 5:26] And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,
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Faith, not religion for me. :-P
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Do you believe that teen boys who are reportedly six times more likely to suffer heart problems from the vaccine than to be hospitalized with the virus
but you are more likely to get those complications from the actual virus than from the vaccine
similar for blood clots: the contraceptive pill has more chance of side affects than the vaccine, yet its widely used and trusted
stay away from the conspiracy theory web sites, trust the science, and get vaccinated .... its the only way forward out of the Pandemic (countries that have high vaccination levels are now opening up..there is a new wave of cases but much less hospitislation and deaths because of vaccinations (anti vaxers dont seem to have an alternative plan.. or was it simply to let the virus run its course and to let 1% of the total population die?
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@ Mattk
so the falling temperatures mentioned was way back in the 1940s ?
your whole argument post does not make any sense, unless you are cherry picking data?
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Do you believe that teen boys who are reportedly six times more likely to suffer heart problems from the vaccine than to be hospitalized with the virus
but you are more likely to get those complications from the actual virus than from the vaccine
similar for blood clots: the contraceptive pill has more chance of side affects than the vaccine, yet its widely used and trusted
stay away from the conspiracy theory web sites, trust the science, and get vaccinated .
How are you reading that into it?
Do you ever actually read data and post references?
You never seem to add anything substantive to any arguments.
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yes I do read widely on the data
so your counter argument is to attack my credibility and character?
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yes I do read widely on the data
so your counter argument is to attack my credibility and character?
I do think it is important to know whether someone has a clue what they are talking about or whether they are just blindly repeating their party platform.
That article says that a study shows teen boys are six times more likely to suffer heart problems from the vaccine than to be hospitalized with the virus.
It appears to me that you are contradicting what the study says. So why should I not ask for you to back up what you say?
Just because you don't want to believe something doesn't make it a conspiracy theory.
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Sorry, This post didn't seem to make any sense.
You're correct on all the contexts, sir. My original intent was to pray for all to stop living in fear and trust the holy spirit.
There are some nut cases where I live that are trying to convince people that the Holy Spirit will protect them from COVID. Sadly a few people believed this nonsense and have died in their homes from COVID because they would not not accept medical assistance when they caught the disease badly. The quotes are so often misused that I was unsure what you were wanting to convey. I suggest that if you had dispensed with the quotes, your intent may have been clearer.
Anyway, thanks for your reply and have a nice day.
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@ Mattk
so the falling temperatures mentioned was way back in the 1940s ?
your whole argument post does not make any sense, unless you are cherry picking data?
One needs to go way way way back before that to have a general representation of the actual earths cooling and warming but stuffs the current excuse that the climate is man made. Historical data fails the cherry pickers of today who are only thinking in their own life time, one has to look at the BIG picture and many of those pushing climate change have blurred vision when it comes to the past and reality
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but you are more likely to get those complications from the actual virus than from the vaccine
similar for blood clots: the contraceptive pill has more chance of side affects than the vaccine, yet its widely used and trusted
Speaking about things not making a whole lot of sense:
No one is demanding that everyone take contraceptive pills, at least not yet. (I guess in some people's definition of "science" anyone can be a "birthing person".)
So taking contraceptive pills is a choice, people decide whether the benefits are worth the risk. Blood clots are a side effect of the pill. More people are not being hospitalized for not taking the pill.
So how does any of this fit with your argument that taking the vaccine is safer than not taking it when studies would seem to show otherwise, as least for certain people?
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One needs to go way way way back before that to have a general representation of the actual earths cooling and warming but stuffs the current excuse that the climate is man made. Historical data fails the cherry pickers of today who are only thinking in their own life time, one has to look at the BIG picture and many of those pushing climate change have blurred vision when it comes to the past and reality
I don't follow you claim about past changes. To be sure, there have been past changes (pre-industrialisation). I don't anyone seriously disputes that the Earth has warmed and cooled - a lot of work has been done in this area.
Experiments easily show that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and that concentrations can be mapped to increases in temperature. It is possible to get information about previous CO2 levels from the previous time periods (pre-industralisation) that can be correlated to the temperatures of the time.
So, the question is whether there is evidence that the past temperatures did not correlate to the then CO2 levels, taking into account the other events of the time like orbital variations, etc. If you can show that, then arguing past weather explains the current variations will have some merit. If you know of that evidence could you point it out?
The other argument that would clearly be valid is to show that the the CO2 being generated by our civilisation is not the major contributor to the current rising CO2 levels. That is, if there was some sort of natural release of stored carbon due to emissions, perhaps caused volcanic activity, or some sort of chemical process releasing stored carbon from the upper crust.
I suspect this is unlikely as it is fairly easy to measure the CO2 in the atmosphere and work out the CO2 that coming from industrlisation through burning coal, deforestation, etc. It is also possible to work out how much carbon get sequestered by natural processes. To be fair, if someone can show some major errors in those calculations, then CO2 could be coming from somewhere else, but I have seen no credible evidence that this is case.
Since the increase in atmospheric CO2 can be correlated to the growth of industrialisation, I suspect that showing major errors will be a hard ask, but if you have seen evidence that it cannot be correlated, it would be interesting to see.
Admission: I tend to immediately discount global conspiracies and global cherry picking of data theories unless presented with really solid evidence, because the conclusions under discussion are accepted even by countries that hate each other - Countries that would like nothing better than to embarrass their opponents by showing that their enemies were faking data or universally cherry-picking. The desire to "out" the enemy would be irresistible especially of you don't get a rat's about what the other country thought.
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After we spend our ka-trillions trying to "fix" this in our own country, how about we hold these folks feet to the "fire". Obviously this is from as liberal as an institution can be as well.
https://e360.yale.edu/features/despite-pledges-to-cut-emissions-china-goes-on-a-coal-spree
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After we spend our ka-trillions trying to "fix" this in our own country, how about we hold these folks feet to the "fire". Obviously this is from as liberal as an institution can be as well.
https://e360.yale.edu/features/despite-pledges-to-cut-emissions-china-goes-on-a-coal-spree
Europe is, in fact, going down that road, by penalising high carbon footprint products - even on their own goods so it should not run foul of WTO for protectionism.
However, even ignoring the climate issues for the moment, the shift to a low carbon economy will have long term economic benefits for those that embrace it.
South Australia has reached a point already where sometimes it is (briefly) able to run the whole daytime state load from renewable energy. It is also to the point where often the cheapest power of the day is in the middle of the day when it used to be the most expensive due to industry consumption. This is mainly due to the uptake of home solar. Except in winter, I often get a negative power bill .
There is a rush of investment in large batteries to soak up the power when there is an excess of renewable energy and later feed it back when required (rainy days, night,etc). The advantage is that unlike coal fired plants, batteries can handle just about instantaneous load changes (which saves BIG money in the power generation sector) - even better than gas plants that are touted as being far more responsive than the sluggard coal stations. The power companies are strenuously resisting community batteries, because they know that this will lower costs to the consumer and impact their sales even more.
Fossil fuel power stations are being depreciated at an accelerated rate, because it looks like they will lose economic viability before they reach their designed End Of Life. This increased depreciation rate raises the cost of their power even more, making them less competitive.
For the companies investing heavily is renewable energy, there is a component of social conscience, but mostly they are moving to a renewable energy future because it is cheaper in the long run.
It ain't all bad being a bit green, if you want to make money.
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Well South Australia has adopted a net zero emissions by 2050 BUT they did achieve their zero emissions target well before that :grin: When their entire renewable network failed as did their reliance on the INcoming feeders from the other states which blacked out the entire State, wasn't a good look for renewables, and even a worse look for incompetent management
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So how does any of this fit with your argument that taking the vaccine is safer than not taking it when studies would seem to show otherwise, as least for certain people?
define certain people ? a minority ? those with a critical underlying condition ?
anti vaxxers only home in the smaller percentage of those that have had complications after being vaccinated they never look at the larger percentage that have not..
90% of hospitalized patients due to covid here in turkey are unvaccinated the other 10% is a mixture of single dose , 2 dose with an underlying condition that has been diagnosed prior to vaccination.
does the 90% not mean anything or are modern day skeptics homing in on the 10% ..
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The reality with Covid vaccines is at best 95%, meaning 5 out of every 100 could come to grief but of course 100% of people think they are in that 95% but the maths just don't add up, nothing is perfect in this regard
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The reality with Covid vaccines is at best 95%, meaning 5 out of every 100 could come to grief but of course 100% of people think they are in that 95% but the maths just don't add up, nothing is perfect in this regard
ill take the 95% , better figure than i was quoted for an operation on my leg a few years ago 80% success rate i wouldnt have any long term complications. today i walk,run,hike and sleep without pain ..
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define certain people ? a minority ? those with a critical underlying condition ?
anti vaxxers only home in the smaller percentage of those that have had complications after being vaccinated they never look at the larger percentage that have not..
90% of hospitalized patients due to covid here in turkey are unvaccinated the other 10% is a mixture of single dose , 2 dose with an underlying condition that has been diagnosed prior to vaccination.
does the 90% not mean anything or are modern day skeptics homing in on the 10% ..
It's the reference to teenage boys I brought up. Did you follow the conversations or just look for bits you could attack?
Do you believe that teen boys who are reportedly six times more likely to suffer heart problems from the vaccine than to be hospitalized with the virus should be allowed to go to the hospital and take up your resources? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/09/teenage-boys-risk-vaccines-covid/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1631205198
Do you not believe that there may be circumstances in which it may actually be wise not to get the vaccine, and that just maybe all the data isn't in yet? And if there are indications of some unintended consequences, that maybe there are others yet to be discovered and verified?
Like, perhaps teenage boys, and those who have had the virus. I know in the mind of many, vaccines are good for everyone regardless, and some claim they're even better than and/or boost natural immunity. Others believe it's actually risky for those with natural immunity to receive a vaccine, and I know some who have had the virus and suffered some ill, but so far not life-threatening, effects from subsequently getting the vaccine. Unfortunately the evidence seems to be lacking or contradictory and people are believing what they want to believe or are being conditioned to believe, or just falling for peer pressure.
I also get a little tired of the idea that you are either all for everyone being mandated to get vaccines regardless of circumstances, or you are an "anti-vaxxer", "modern day skeptic", "conspiracy theorist" and, of course, intellectually and morally inferior than those who believe everyone should be forced to get vaccines for their own good.
That's part of the problem, we can't even discuss the matter because you are either completely for vaccines, or you are completely against them, there's no middle ground, if you even mention evidence that indicates maybe someone shouldn't get the vaccine you're dangerous. We should just accept what we're told and get the vaccine.
The fact that I've been talking mainly about those with natural immunity, which I'm sure I have, and a specific group like teenage boys (though I question young people in general), seems to escape everyone somehow. In any case, I do resent those who attempt to order me to get a vaccine I question the value of at this time.
So 90% hospitalized in Turkey are unvaccinated. Well, good, so you're safe if you're vaccinated, and apparently the unvaccinted aren't such a threat to you. Maybe by being hospitalized they'll learn their lesson.
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pardon im not attacking you just merely asking a question.. ? dont see everything as an attack just merely asking a question , end of the day how you determine an attack on you may be prompts another question.
sorry no offense meant..but in short im not complaining about unvaccinated are a threat to me thats your perception im just merely highlighting 90% of covid hospitalized patients here in turkey are unvaccinated .. doesn’t necessarily mean this is the case in other parts of the world which I cant comment on..
dont worry there are similar voices here that home in on the 10% but its a very small minority that try to bring political opinions into the debate..
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No problem.
It just seems certain points I make somehow keep getting missed, like the fact that I think your question would have been answered if you had read the complete context. But I understand that gets harder to do the longer the thread gets, so maybe I just need to keep repeating myself.
It is easy to lump people together also.
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No problem.
It just seems certain points I make somehow keep getting missed, like the fact that I think your question would have been answered if you had read the complete context. But I understand that gets harder to do the longer the thread gets, so maybe I just need to keep repeating myself.
It is easy to lump people together also.
no problem , im human just has guilty has anyone else when it comes to digesting long written forum posts take the bits i remember.. but please dont see what i rhetoric about as an attack on any individual here just merely engaging we all agree to disagree or vice versa ..
so on a lighter humorous note “stop complaining your nose is too big to wear a mask I have to wear underpants “
have a good weekend..brian
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Well South Australia has adopted a net zero emissions by 2050 BUT they did achieve their zero emissions target well before that :grin: When their entire renewable network failed as did their reliance on the INcoming feeders from the other states which blacked out the entire State, wasn't a good look for renewables, and even a worse look for incompetent management
What actually happened. Five years ago, storms bend multiple high voltage transmission towers to the ground and disrupting the transmission network. The wind generators trip as a result of incorrect setup by the operators, not failure of the equipment. This loss caused a cascading fault that caused the interconnect to carry a large amount of power from neighbouring state Victoria. The sudden increase in power on the Interconnector causes it to do a cautionary trip, putting the load onto the operating thermal generators which shutdown with an overload, causing most of the state to go black.
The restoration strategy was to bring on two additional thermal power stations to allow a restart. However, both of those generators could not be brought into service due to equipment failures. This resulted in the restart occurring using the interconnector that had previously tripped because of the large step increase in load.
While it wasn't a good look for the wind farm operator, renewable generation itself (which include both solar and wind) was not found to be deficient, since incorrect setup can occur independent of the equipment being set up. The recommendations of the study into the failure had strong focus on being more prepared for adverse weather conditions and improving communications. The operator of the wind farms was given a kick up the backside for being non-compliant in procedures and setup.
Plenty of lessons to be learnt, but one of them isn't that renewables are inherently unstable or unreliable, unless they are set up incorrectly, which can equally be said of any item of equipment.
For a laugh and in the spirit of Mattk's theme, one could however question the suitability of thermal generators as they were the only items that had actual equipment failures, apart for the infrastructure that was damaged by the storms. ;)
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The hypocrisy of the South Oz debacle was making a grand statement re being totally renewable and shutting down their entire thermal power station infrastructure and then expecting those same closed stations to somehow magically fire up again, like really, what were they thinking, of course they were not going to fire up.
But to totally close down all their thermal power infrastructure, make a grand statement re solar and wind while actually relying on base load thermal power from other States is rather hypocritical and incompetent. The key learning and fact was all the lights went out due to incompetence.
But South OZ is also interesting in that minimum demand is now the middle of the day instead the middle of the night with power authorities having the capabilities to "trip" household panels to enforce power usage (buy) from the grid to maintain the integrity of the network.
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The hypocrisy of the South Oz debacle was making a grand statement re being totally renewable and shutting down their entire thermal power station infrastructure and then expecting those same closed stations to somehow magically fire up again, like really, what were they thinking, of course they were not going to fire up.
But to totally close down all their thermal power infrastructure, make a grand statement re solar and wind while actually relying on base load thermal power from other States is rather hypocritical and incompetent. The key learning and fact was all the lights went out due to incompetence.
But South OZ is also interesting in that minimum demand is now the middle of the day instead the middle of the night with power authorities having the capabilities to "trip" household panels to enforce power usage (buy) from the grid to maintain the integrity of the network.
:grin: OMG! A valiant second attempt, but doomed to failure for the same reason.
What actually happened, rather than what you wanted to have happened to suit your story.
They didn't shutdown their "entire thermal power station infrastructure" - the stations just tripped their breakers. You can't just "shut down" coal fired stations at the drop of a hat (or breaker).
The units that failed WEREN'T the ones that were supplying load at the time of the failure. They were ADDITIONAL units that can be brought on-line to assist supplying the load. There are stations around the state that are designed to do emergency supply in the case of failure and are diesel or gas because it takes days to ramp coal fired stations.
True about the distribution companies having the power to curtail the rooftop solar production if required. It also within the power of the regulator to curtail any generation plant from providing power to the grid if supply is outstripping demand. This happens all the time.
The reason there are so many battery installation on the go is that they can be charged when power is cheap and injected into the grid just about instantly when required. This has already been shown to save millions. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-02/tesla-battery-expanded-as-sa-energy-minister-lauds-benefits/12622382
I won't bother telling you what actually happened anymore, because it seems that your desired narrative supersedes having to rely on the inconvenience of what actually happened.
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... They didn't shutdown their "entire thermal power station infrastructure" - the stations just tripped their breakers. You can't just "shut down" coal fired stations at the drop of a hat (or breaker).
They not only shut their entire thermal power station infrastructure down, they also knocked the majority of the thermal power infrastructure down, so no it wasn't at the drop of a hut it was by a very deliberate miscalculated approach \:D/
.... The units that failed WEREN'T the ones that were supplying load at the time of the failure. They were ADDITIONAL units that can be brought on-line to assist supplying the load. There are stations around the state that are designed to do emergency supply in the case of failure and are diesel or gas because it takes days to ramp coal fired stations.
FACT: There were no coal fired power stations to ramp up, they had been deliberately removed from the system, period \:D/
FACT: Yes the ADDITIONAL units that can be brought online are piddling little gas and diesel plants, the biggest turbines (~ 150MW) operated by the South Australian Government are dirty old diesel fuel, so much for the SA green energy :oops:. Just about as bad as dirty old Leigh Creek brown coal they use to shove into the coal plants
... True about the distribution companies having the power to curtail the rooftop solar production if required. It also within the power of the regulator to curtail any generation plant from providing power to the grid if supply is outstripping demand. This happens all the time.
Pity the poor old SA citizen who forks out literally thousands of $$'s for off their own solar system just to have the Gov fiddle the network and shut private systems down, then force them to pay for grid power, this really stinks hey :oops:
.... The reason there are so many battery installation on the go is that they can be charged when power is cheap and injected into the grid just about instantly when required. This has already been shown to save millions. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-02/tesla-battery-expanded-as-sa-energy-minister-lauds-benefits/12622382
So much blurb, so little content, yep a 100 MW battery might run a few thousand homes for a tad over an hour .... then take 2 weeks to recharge, wow that is intelligent =D>
...I won't bother telling you what actually happened anymore, because it seems that your desired narrative supersedes having to rely on the inconvenience of what actually happened...
The inconvenience of what actually happened was an absolute disgrace but I do give you a 1 out of 10 for trying [tup]
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So much blurb, so little content, yep a 100 MW battery might run a few thousand homes for a tad over an hour .... then take 2 weeks to recharge, wow that is intelligent =D>
Even given your previous comments, I was exceptionally surprised when I saw this one, because I gave you an actual link from where you could have quoted stuff to rip my argument apart. But what came out wasn't about anything in the article, except that it included "MW battery", and even then the value you gave was wrong.
From the very start of the article it says the function of the battery "is intended to help stabilise the grid". In fact, it was repeated "We will be providing a number of grid-stabilising services", "That shock absorber-type capacity is what helps us to stop a blackout that would otherwise occur."
It also mentioned savings due to reducing peak prices "Apart from keeping the lights on, the giant battery has also been credited with driving down power bills. An independent review by consultancy firm Aurecon found the Tesla battery has saved SA consumers more than $150 million since it was built in 2017." (article dated 2020)
Yet oddly, your only take-away was something was not part of the stated functions, nor was not it even mentioned or implied in the article. Then, you invent a fanciful function for the battery and followed by "Wow, that is intelligent".
By now, I'm not really too sure whether you are claiming that you are intelligent for inventing an imaginary purpose; or whether you are admitting via sarcasm that it was an unintelligent thing to invent a purpose when everyone can see in the article that it was never even mentioned.
I know I said I wasn't going to explain anything last time, but your response so obviously off-topic that I could not resist. I promise to do better next time there is an "unusual" comment. [tup]
P.S. For anyone who read this and wondered what battery is being spoken about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornsdale_Power_Reserve
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In a desperate and probably futile attempt to bring this thread back off-topic, what do you make of the current influenza season (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm) vis-a-vis past seasons?
(The blue season button on the bottom left will let you easily compare.)
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The way I have seen some people wear masks, I understand why contraceptives don't work for some.
Only 17% of Americans are vaccine "hesitant". Yet 58% of those people are Republican. (15% are Democrat) (NYT)
32% of Republicans believe that the vaccine is really a "tracker" (Politico)..... but apparently their cell phones are not.
Republicanism in this country is deadly... to life and brain function. .
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In a desperate and probably futile attempt to bring this thread back off-topic, what do you make of the current influenza season (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm) vis-a-vis past seasons?
(The blue season button on the bottom left will let you easily compare.)
I think we'll see a rise this year. In 2020 we definitely benefitted from the new heightened awareness of hand washing, social distancing, and masks to curtail the numbers. In our health system (800 beds, 4 hospitals) 2020 numbers were low. When we had supply chain issues on tests, we had to give a flu test first, then if negative and having covid symptoms we would then schedule a covid test. Now, we skip that part, but it will probably come back since we are getting false covid positives(non pcr) from flu infected.
One of my employees whole family tested positive for covid last week, but really it was the flu. When she went for antibody treatment, they are forced to show a positive pcr test, which the whole family was then found negative. It could be just a sample of bad testings/tests/labs/etc, but I think as a whole they are going back to the flu test first, then covid test.
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In 2020 we definitely benefitted from the new heightened awareness of hand washing, social distancing, and masks to curtail the numbers.
So then why does the 20-21 flu season appear to be so much worse that at least the previous decade?
Or is the 20-21 map including Covid as an "Influenza-Like Illness"? It's not clear from just a cursory glance. I think most people would assume it is flu only, but if so it doesn't back up the idea that all the precautions being taken are at all beneficial.
Maybe less people went out and got the flu shot because they were afraid to go out? In which case, that would help show the value of getting the flu shot, while at the same time showing that self-isolation isn't effective.
Maybe the virus weakened people's immune systems to the point that even those who were asymptomatic to covid infection subsequently developed the flu, or something. Who knows.
More likely (at least in my mind), more people were diagnosed with the flu than from previous years because more people were being tested out of fear of Covid.
Still not what I was expecting, as it somehow seemed like there was very little flu and everything was being diagnosed as Covid.
I'm not sure definite conclusions can be drawn just from looking at the map. Who knows if it's even accurate to begin with, seems everything needs to be verified nowdays.
It could be just a sample of bad testings/tests/labs/etc, ...
That could be.
The way I have seen some people wear masks, I understand why contraceptives don't work for some.
Only 17% of Americans are vaccine "hesitant". Yet 58% of those people are Republican. (15% are Democrat) (NYT)
32% of Republicans believe that the vaccine is really a "tracker" (Politico)..... but apparently their cell phones are not.
Republicanism in this country is deadly... to life and brain function. .
You're a genius Joe! [tup]
But speaking of statistics:
If 58% are Republicans, 15% are Democrat, who are the other 27%? Are there that many more Independents than Democrats? Or did they find a bunch of Communists to poll, or were the rest all NYT employees (basically the same thing)?
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In a desperate and probably futile attempt to bring this thread back off-topic...
We see how well that worked! :lol:
The way I have seen some people wear masks, I understand why contraceptives don't work for some.
Only 17% of Americans are vaccine "hesitant". Yet 58% of those people are Republican. (15% are Democrat) (NYT)
32% of Republicans believe that the vaccine is really a "tracker" (Politico)..... but apparently their cell phones are not.
Republicanism in this country is deadly... to life and brain function. .
But actually the topic was the name of tornadoes, as I recall.
So to get back on topic, I don't know what the modern name is, probably "Warm Fuzzy Swirlies" or something in the modern day effort to name things what they aren't. "Crazy Climate Change Cyclones"?
As far as I know they aren't named "Ida" or "Fred" or something like hurricanes are, though I think they've started naming some winter storms and such.
Is that because they're not around long enough to get on a first name basis with? Maybe we should name them "John Doe 1", "Jane Doe 2" and such?
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I should have prefaced my comments on flu season as the healthcare system I work for in GA. We had a very light 2020 flu related issues. Our physicians said early last year that the flu shot we are required to get was matching up with the variant in the area, which rarely happens LOL.
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I should have prefaced my comments on flu season as the healthcare system I work for in GA. We had a very light 2020 flu related issues. Our physicians said early last year that the flu shot we are required to get was matching up with the variant in the area, which rarely happens LOL.
That's the thing. The map shows Georgia as having a high flu rate this past year. I know your experience could be very localized, but I doubt it, and most people I know of seem to agree that it was a light flu season.
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We own the north, northeast really. Lot's of folks around here have started to get lax with the masks. We have seen sicker covid patients, but flu is pretty light at the moment. However, the administration is really pushing us to get our flu shots early.
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The way I have seen some people wear masks, I understand why contraceptives don't work for some.
Only 17% of Americans are vaccine "hesitant". Yet 58% of those people are Republican. (15% are Democrat) (NYT)
32% of Republicans believe that the vaccine is really a "tracker" (Politico)..... but apparently their cell phones are not.
Republicanism in this country is deadly... to life and brain function. .
Further looking at the statistics, what percentage of Republicans are vaccine "hesitant", assuming this poll is even accurate to begin with?
Hint: it's not 58%, but 58% times 17% (you were a math teacher, correct?).
So the great majority of Republicans aren't vaccine "hesitant", but you're going to paint them as if they are, right?
Why do you see "hesitancy" as a bad thing anyway? Because all societies that have blindly followed their leaders, the intellectually elite (apparently Democrats like yourself), and the "science" of the day without question have done well?
Maybe Republicans are a more inclusive party of people who are able to think for themselves without being censored or bowing to peer pressure.
"Hesitancy" doesn't even necessarily mean they will refuse the vaccine, many such as those with a past infection, may have legitimate reasons to question it. I for one don't buy your argument that a man-made vaccine is better than natural immunity, especially when experts like Fauci can't even address the question honestly.
Still curious who the other 27% non-Republicans and non-Democrats are.
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Republicanism in this country is deadly... to life and brain function. .
:lol: Got news for ya, you and your "people" will be outta their jobs "bigly" next November, and your brain dead president (whomever that may be) will be nothing more than a sock puppet..just like now as a matter of fact. Even college students at numerous football stadiums are chanting "F..k Joe Biden". Your boy and his worthless and destructive administration can't even win over leftist indoctrinated college kids. :lol: Speaks volumes. America is waking up... Go cry in your soup in your basement. :-({|=
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Boy has this thread gone off the rails. Hopefully it will be locked soon.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9cwJKnWEAAdjjo?format=jpg&name=900x900)
In before the lock... :lol:
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Boy has this thread gone off the rails. Hopefully it will be locked soon.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9cwJKnWEAAdjjo?format=jpg&name=900x900)
In before the lock... :lol:
So you've fallen for the lies too, huh Jim?
You know, the fabricated story that was repeated on the liberal news media, or at least by partisan idiots like Rachael Maddow, that hospitals were turning away gunshot victims because ignorant rednecks (Trump supporters) were over-dosing on Ivermectin?
You may want to read some facts on Invermectin also (but probably you don't really care about the facts):
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z
www.nature.com/articles/ja201711
Not that I recommend Ivermectin. I've never taken it (or the vaccine for that matter). :shock: Do you even know of anyone who has taken Ivermectin, or is it just a senseless cartoon you thought was funny because it makes fun of Trump supporters?
It is interesting how all possible treatments or preventatives are being vilified in order to only promote the vaccine and perpetual compliance to all kinds of mandates that are most likely doing more harm than rednecks chugging Ivermection.
I do love people who complain that a thread has gone off the rails (which they only tend to do when they feel their side is losing the argument), go and push it further off the rails, and then want the mods to lock it hoping they can have the last word. :lol:
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Boy has this thread gone off the rails. Hopefully it will be locked soon.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9cwJKnWEAAdjjo?format=jpg&name=900x900)
In before the lock... :lol:
You know, the completely fabricated story that was repeated on the liberal news media that a hospital was turning away gunshot victims because ignorant rednecks were over-dosing on Ivermectin? (The hospal in the false story said there were no ivermectin overdoses).
Nope, I posted the cartoon because I thought it was funny (thanks for bumping it).
The thread went off topic starting at post #10 on the first page. It was supposed to be about silly things politicians say about the weather and morphed into yet another covid thread.
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Nope, I posted the cartoon because I thought it was funny (thanks for bumping it).
The thread went off topic starting at post #10 on the first page. It was supposed to be about silly things politicians say about the weather and morphed into yet another covid thread.
So, what exactly do you find funny about a cartoon that has no basis in reality, other than it gives a false impression and attacks people you like to vilify? And you don't find it hypocritical that you complain the direction a thread has gone, and then push it further? (I sure do.)
I like the way you pretend I'm doing you a favor by "bumping" your mindless cartoon by a whole few minutes on the same page, as if people could have missed the humongous thing if it wasn't repeated twice. :lol: :roll:
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So, what exactly do you find funny about a cartoon that has no basis in reality, other than it gives a false impression and attacks people you like to vilify? And you don't find it hypocritical that you complain the direction a thread has gone, and then push it further? (I sure do.)
I think the cartoon is funny because, reality wise, it's spot on and quite accurately portrays the anti science, anti mask, anti vax, covid deniers :lol: :roll:
...and attacks people you like to vilify?
If you think I'm attacking and vilifying people then report my post. Compared to some of the attacking and vilifying that has been going on for days (on both sides) I think it's mild.
And you don't find it hypocritical that you complain the direction a thread has gone, and then push it further? (I sure do.)
Then report me to the mods. I don't think I've pushed it any further than it already was and, again, this thread should be shut down so if my post helps...GOOD!
I like the way you pretend I'm doing you a favor by "bumping" your mindless cartoon by a whole few minutes on the same page, as if people could have missed the humongous thing if it wasn't repeated twice.
Okey Dokey, if you won't I will.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9cwJKnWEAAdjjo?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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The irony is that ivermectin is at least approved for use in humans!
"Many regions around the world now recognize that ivermectin is a powerful prophylaxis and treatment for COVID-19. South Africa, Zimbabwe, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Mexico, and now, India, have approved the drug for use by medical professionals. The results as seen in this latest study demonstrate that the ivermectin distribution campaigns repeatedly led to "rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality."
https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/06000/Review_of_the_Emerging_Evidence_Demonstrating_the.4.aspx (https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/06000/Review_of_the_Emerging_Evidence_Demonstrating_the.4.aspx)
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Ok, enough far-afield and useless back-and-forth. Locking this topic.
I would strongly caution that this:
The irony is that ivermectin is at least approved for use in humans!
"Many regions around the world now recognize that ivermectin is a powerful prophylaxis and treatment for COVID-19. South Africa, Zimbabwe, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Mexico, and now, India, have approved the drug for use by medical professionals. The results as seen in this latest study demonstrate that the ivermectin distribution campaigns repeatedly led to "rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality."
is likely partially true. Invermectin is approved as a medicine to treat parasite infections (ringworm, etc).
I doubt the second paragraph is true in re COVID-19, but is likely true to treat parasite infections (not viral ones) in many countries.