Topic: MUST READ - Fine Offset Clone Models,sensor compatibility etc -discussion thread

[galfert]

I suppose that Ambient feels that the WH32E is redundant as the WS80 and WH65 already have outdoor temperature / humidity. But if you want stand alone and a better thermometer placement than either of these stations provide then without the WH32E you don't get the option.

With Ambient though the situation is more difficult than with other Fine Offset resellers. Because with Froggit for example if they don't carry a sensor then you can always order it from Ecowitt. But with Ambient you don't get the option because it won't work with Ambient consoles. I really wished that Ambient would reconsider locking their consoles to not work with Ecowitt sensors.

[Platokidd]

I really wished that Ambient would reconsider locking their consoles to not work with Ecowitt sensors.

Yep me too. Other than Ambient net and customer service they really don't have much to offer, at least for me.

Ambient sensors are also more expensive than Ecowitt's.  Thanks to Ambient , I'll just have to bite the bullet and add some Ecowitt products to my weather station line up.

[Backman]

The rebranded fine offset devices in Australia are branded as 'Pantech'. These are the generic Ecowitt devices as we have to download firmware updates from the ecowitt web site and I've got a few Ecowitt branded sensors off Amazon that working alongside as and look identical to the Pantech ones. Therefore, could someone please add "Pantech' to the list of 'other' fine offset clones?

[Gyvate]

The rebranded fine offset devices in Australia are branded as 'Pantech'. These are the generic Ecowitt devices as we have to download firmware updates from the ecowitt web site and I've got a few Ecowitt branded sensors off Amazon that working alongside as and look identical to the Pantech ones. Therefore, could someone please add "Pantech' to the list of 'other' fine offset clones?

OK - added - they seem to be the only ones in Australia together with Misol (at 433 MHz).
And of course Ecowitt at amazon.com.au .

Ambient also offers their 915 MHz sensors which seem to be also legal in Australia as their transmission wattage is sufficiently low.
Looks like the band from 915-928 MHz can be used in Australia if the maximum Equivalent Radiated Isotropic Power (EIRP) is not bigger than 1 Watt.
https://www.wirelesstech.com.au/index.php?route=extension/extension/blog/article&article_id=16
The thing is, you need the same frequency for a sensor / console combination.

[Jai Soone]

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Interestingly on Ambient's web page, the sensor description for the WS-2000 is more explicit than the more modern design used for the WS-5000, even though the console is the same for both products. One more reason for the existence of our table. 

While the consoles for the WS-2000 and the WS-5000 may be physically the same, Ambient Weather does have different SKU #'s for them, namely:

Ambient Weather WS-2000-CONSOLE Console Only, Compatible with WS-2000, WS-1900, WS-2902 Series
$173.99 Availability: Out of stock SKU#: WS-2000-CONSOLE-AC

Ambient Weather WS-5000-CONSOLE Console Only
$173.99 Availability: In stock SKU#: WS-5000-CONSOLE-AC

What's the difference? Certainly setting themselves up for some kind of product differentiation.

[Gyvate]

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Interestingly on Ambient's web page, the sensor description for the WS-2000 is more explicit than the more modern design used for the WS-5000, even though the console is the same for both products. One more reason for the existence of our table. 

While the consoles for the WS-2000 and the WS-5000 may be physically the same, Ambient Weather does have different SKU #'s for them, namely:

Ambient Weather WS-2000-CONSOLE Console Only, Compatible with WS-2000, WS-1900, WS-2902 Series
$173.99 Availability: Out of stock SKU#: WS-2000-CONSOLE-AC

Ambient Weather WS-5000-CONSOLE Console Only
$173.99 Availability: In stock SKU#: WS-5000-CONSOLE-AC

What's the difference? Certainly setting themselves up for some kind of product differentiation.

As far as I know there is no technical or functional difference - it's the same console.

SKU numbers (stock keeping unit) are internal company "qualifiers" which serve different purposes, but do not have necessarily anything to do with the functionality.
WS-2000 and WS-5000 are in my observation product names, not item names. They describe the console plus sensor (array)s from a sales (and/or warehouse) perspective.
Ecowitt does the same or something similar.

While you can buy the HP2551 (HP2551-console + WH65 array) or the HP2553 (HP2551-C + WS80 + WH40), the console for it remains the same.
If you want to buy a second or replacement console, you buy the HP2551-C (=HP2551 console). They are technically and functionally interchangeable.
Here they are straightforward.

Whereas with Ambient, their system can lead to confusion. 
The use of different SKUs for the same item than leads to such curiosities/oddities that SKU 1 can be out of stock while SKU 2 is on stock.
But unless they glue a sticker with the SKU number on it, you cannot tell one from the other. It's like a role play. The same actor wears a different hat.
It's sort of a re-branding within the brand ... 

[Gyvate]

Added the newly released Froggit DP30 water temperature sensor to our matrix where it joins the Ambient WH31P (P like pool) water temperature sensor.

[Gyvate]

added application software support info for consoles by Meteobridge, Weewx, WeatherDisplay and CumulusMX to the matrix

edit was also adding Weather Display

[Gyvate]

New WIFI firmware available
[WL6006]
VER = 1.0.18
ULR = http://download.ecowitt.net/down/filewave?n=WL6006&v=WL6006_Ver1.0.18.hex
DATE = 20200902
SIZE = 121699
NOTES = New Firmware WL6006_Ver1.0.18;1.Use NTP network time synchronization.


[EasyWeather]
VER = EasyWeatherV1.5.7
URL1 = http://download.ecowitt.net/down/filewave?n=EasyWeather_user1&v=user1_ew_157.bin
URL2 = http://download.ecowitt.net/down/filewave?n=EasyWeather_user2&v=user2_ew_157.bin
DATE =
NOTES =   New Firmware EasyWeatherV1.5.7;1. Support leaf humidity data uploading.;2. Fixed some bugs with user-customized uploads.;3. Fixed some sensor battery power upload bug.

[AMBWeather]
VER = AMBWeatherV4.2.9
URL1 = http://download.ecowitt.net/down/filewave?n=AMBWeather_user1&v=user1_amb_429.bin
URL2 = http://download.ecowitt.net/down/filewave?n=AMBWeather_user2&v=user2_amb_429.bin
DATE =
NOTES =   New Firmware AMBWeatherV4.2.9;1. Fixed some bugs with user-customized uploads.;2. Fixed some sensor battery power upload bug.

Will offer to download and install automatically if you choose your device on the device list

The strange thing is that on top of the WSView app screen, the EasyWeather-WFIxxx V1.5.6 is NOT updated to V1.5.7 - only in the bottom right corner it says EasyWeather V1.5.7 after the update.
Correction - it does show  - but it's sort of a 2 step update

[Gyvate]

added the still to-be-released WH35 Leaf Moisture sensor series (1-8 WH35 type sensors possible per console) to the matrix
The WH35 sensor is already integrated into the latest firmware 1.6.5
You can find it in the sensors entries in the WSView app sensor ID section paging down completely.

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[Gyvate]

created a warning in the firmware section regarding a bug in new firmware 1.6.5
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=41588.0

[Gyvate]

new updated firmware 1.6.6 for GW1000 released - FW 1.6.5 withdrawn, also for WH2650 => latest available FW for WH2650 is 1.6.3 (or 1.6.5 for early adopters who already updated to 1.6.5 while it was still available - WH2650 users were not affected by the 1.6.5 side-effects on the GW1000 together with a WH32B).

EDIT after discovery of new WH2650 related bug.
See next post.

[Gyvate]

latest available FW for WH2650 is 1.6.3 (1.6.5 for early adopters)
The  WH2650 users were not affected by the 1.6.5 side-effects on the GW1000 together with a WH32B.
However,  they have another side effect: loss of pressure/barometer data from WH32B.
A WH2650 on FW 1.6.5 doesn't show the pressure from the WH32B anymore.
Error communicated to Ecowitt.

[Gyvate]

updated information on WH2910C console and extra sensors
preview on soon to-be-released FW 1.6.7 for both GW1000/WH2650.
There had been issues observed with WH2650 on FW 1.6.5/1.6.6 when a WH45 5-in-1 CO₂, PM2.5, PM10, T&H combo sensor was also active.
Those are solved with FW 1.6.7

[Gyvate]

added information of the WN1900 low-cost weather station (in beta test phase).
see also https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=41643.0

also added GARNI as a reseller of WH2910 clones.

[Gyvate]

Ecowitt published / released new HP 2551 console firmware: V 1.7.1
download and installation instructions --> https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=41770.0
firmware section updated accordingly

[wvdkuil]

The Ecowitt WH2320 console, sold with the Froggit WH4000SE , reports itself as WS2350 in custom upload:

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[stationtype] => EasyWeatherV1.5.7
[freq] => 868M
[model] => WS2350_V2.37

It also reports different items
missing:  hourlyrainin  and maxdailygust
new?:  rainratein

Does anyone already compiled a list fo used data-fields in the custom uploads?
My excel-sheet is already over a year old.

Wim

[Gyvate]

The Ecowitt WH2320 console, sold with the Froggit WH4000SE , reports itself as WS2350 in custom upload:

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[stationtype] => EasyWeatherV1.5.7
[freq] => 868M
[model] => WS2350_V2.37

It also reports different items
missing:  hourlyrainin  and maxdailygust
new?:  rainratein

Does anyone already compiled a list fo used data-fields in the custom uploads?
My excel-sheet is already over a year old.
Wim

the customized server sends the following data for a WH4000SE/WH2320E on WiFi firmware V1.5.7 (WS2350 is the FO product name following the Ecowitt naming convention - WS [weather station] instead of WH (weather Hub) with a solar panel [at the outdoor sensor array]):

 2021-03-28 18:07:18 CEST (1616947638) altimeter: 30.29913726985207, appTemp: 57.4605929342937, barometer: 30.29264012233571, cloudbase: 6644.228116534675, dateTime: 1616947638, dewpoint: 35.508451204169894, heatindex: 58.193, humidex: 60.6, inDewpoint: 48.84513896384446, inHumidity: 40.0, inTemp: 74.8, maxSolarRad: None, outHumidity: 39.0, outTemp: 60.6, pressure: 29.282, radiation: 222.53, rain: None, rainRate: 0.0, usUnits: 1, UV: 2.0, windchill: 60.6, windDir: 313.0, windGust: 1.1, windSpeed: 0.2

units are imperial
EDITED: see later post for proper data

[olicat]

Hi Rainer,

I don't believe this.
Are these key names really the outgoing names  in Ecowitt protocol?
For me it looks like weewx vars (after some calculation).

Regards, Oliver

[wvdkuil]

the customized server sends the following data for a WH4000SE/WH2320E on WiFi firmware V1.5.7 (WS2350 is the FO product name following the Ecowitt naming convention - WS [weather station] instead of WH (weather Hub) with a solar panel [at the outdoor sensor array]):

 2021-03-28 18:07:18 CEST (1616947638) altimeter: 30.29913726985207, appTemp: 57.4605929342937, barometer: 30.29264012233571, cloudbase: 6644.228116534675, dateTime: 1616947638, dewpoint: 35.508451204169894, heatindex: 58.193, humidex: 60.6, inDewpoint: 48.84513896384446, inHumidity: 40.0, inTemp: 74.8, maxSolarRad: None, outHumidity: 39.0, outTemp: 60.6, pressure: 29.282, radiation: 222.53, rain: None, rainRate: 0.0, usUnits: 1, UV: 2.0, windchill: 60.6, windDir: 313.0, windGust: 1.1, windSpeed: 0.2

units are imperial

This is what I get from custom upload (not the API), excluding the "PASSKEY"

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    [stationtype] => EasyWeatherV1.5.7
    [dateutc] => 2021-03-28 11:24:10
    [tempinf] => 66.0
    [humidityin] => 62
    [baromrelin] => 30.269
    [baromabsin] => 30.145
    [tempf] => 66.9
    [humidity] => 60
    [winddir] => 354
    [windspeedmph] => 2.7
    [windgustmph] => 4.5
    [rainratein] => 0.000
    [eventrainin] => 0.000
    [dailyrainin] => 0.000
    [weeklyrainin] => 0.000
    [monthlyrainin] => 0.878
    [yearlyrainin] => 7.020
    [totalrainin] => 7.020
    [solarradiation] => 624.16
    [uv] => 6
    [wh65batt] => 0
    [freq] => 868M
    [model] => WS2350_V2.37
Wim

[davidefa]

This is the json file that's saved by meteotemplate's ecowitt plugin ( by raffaello di martino ), wh2650 ( stock weldbeck halley and e few other sensors )

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{"PASSKEY":"xxxx","stationtype":"WH2650A_V1.6.3","dateutc":"2021-03-28 16:42:33","tempinf":"76.1","humidityin":"52","baromrelin":"30.345","baromabsin":"30.286","tempf":"57.4","humidity":"83","winddir":"116","windspeedmph":"2.68","windgustmph":"4.47","maxdailygust":"11.41","solarradiation":"51.14","uv":"0","rainratein":"0.000","eventrainin":"0.000","hourlyrainin":"0.000","dailyrainin":"0.000","weeklyrainin":"0.000","monthlyrainin":"0.689","yearlyrainin":"4.110","totalrainin":"4.110","temp1f":"71.24","humidity1":"50","soilmoisture1":"82","soilmoisture2":"0","wh65batt":"0","wh25batt":"0","batt1":"0","soilbatt1":"1.5","soilbatt2":"1.3","freq":"868M","model":"WH2650"}

[Gyvate]

Hi Rainer,

I don't believe this.
Are these key names really the outgoing names  in Ecowitt protocol?
For me it looks like weewx vars (after some calculation).

Regards, Oliver

Sorry, wrong copy and paste - here are the correct ones

raw data:
PASSKEY=XXXX
stationtype=EasyWeatherV1.5.7
dateutc=2021-03-28+17:34:48
tempinf=75.0
humidityin=41
baromrelin=30.316
baromabsin=29.457
tempf=57.4
humidity=43
winddir=339
windspeedmph=0.4
windgustmph=1.1
rainratein=0.000
eventrainin=0.000
dailyrainin=0.000
weeklyrainin=0.000
monthlyrainin=2.961
yearlyrainin=13.441
totalrainin=80.827
solarradiation=12.11
uv=0
wh65batt=0
freq=868M
model=WS2350

And I don't think that anything is going to change with this model.
The console is limited to the sensors of the WH65 - and I doubt that firmware is going to change that.
The best I can think of is that its Customized server function would also allow to pass on certain extra sensors as it is done with the HP350x consoles.
I guess the development effort is too much (expensive) given there is a GW1000/WH2650 available for a low price.

[Gyvate]

added some more WN1900 info. The outdoor sensor array (5-in-1) used by it: WN67

[Gyvate]

Today, 07-Apr-2021, Ecowitt issued an update to their EasyWeather WiFi firmware used in the consoles WH2320E, WH290x, HP350x and HP2551.
Upgraded version is V1.5.8 claiming to solve the following issues: 1. Optimize domain name resolution.;2. Optimize the uploading stability of custom servers,
the firmware section of the main post was updated.

[Gyvate]

Added info regarding the HP2551 console - pictogram and footnotes/explanation