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Re: NOAA
« Reply #50 on: March 24, 2025, 08:36:32 PM »
NWS is important but not everything NOAA does is absolutely needed.  Unfortunately, the administrators of NOAA have had the ability to apply the scalpel approach on their own to reduce expense for decades, but chose not to, and thus have now incurred the outside axe approach.

I didn't vote for Trump, but I have for decades watched the inevitable expansion of government bloat and waste of taxpayer funds.

Unlike the private sector where the "nice to have" but unnecessary tasks are eliminated with 10 percent reductions every recession, government never goes through that as its managers always tend to increase staff  and budget so they can qualify for the better pay of a higher GS level. So this initiative is long overdue.

Look up "Parkinson's Law" which I studied as an undergrad to understand why such budget creep inevitably occurs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law

And then study the "Washington Monument Syndrome" for why cuts are always at the local offices instead of the Department of Commerce Executive offices:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Monument_syndrome


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Re: NOAA
« Reply #51 on: March 24, 2025, 09:22:42 PM »
 NOAA is being bludgeoned for ideological reasons.

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Re: NOAA
« Reply #52 on: March 24, 2025, 11:40:01 PM »
Say that enough and you start believing it...

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Re: NOAA
« Reply #53 on: March 25, 2025, 12:48:27 AM »
Say that enough and you start believing it...
This place doesn’t like NOAA for some unfathomable reason.

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Re: NOAA
« Reply #54 on: March 25, 2025, 08:32:11 AM »
Not true. We just don't like bloat and waste...And that is a notorious feature of the Federal Gov't....

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Re: NOAA
« Reply #55 on: March 25, 2025, 10:45:57 AM »
Not true. We just don't like bloat and waste...And that is a notorious feature of the Federal Gov't....
The bloat and waste in other agencies are greater than NOAA’s entire budget.

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« Reply #56 on: March 25, 2025, 11:07:09 AM »
that's because NOAA was left in the dust after Trump became presiden\
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Re: NOAA
« Reply #57 on: March 27, 2025, 06:08:15 AM »
NWS is important but not everything NOAA does is absolutely needed.  Unfortunately, the administrators of NOAA have had the ability to apply the scalpel approach on their own to reduce expense for decades, but chose not to, and thus have now incurred the outside axe approach.

I didn't vote for Trump, but I have for decades watched the inevitable expansion of government bloat and waste of taxpayer funds.

Unlike the private sector where the "nice to have" but unnecessary tasks are eliminated with 10 percent reductions every recession, government never goes through that as its managers always tend to increase staff  and budget so they can qualify for the better pay of a higher GS level. So this initiative is long overdue.

Look up "Parkinson's Law" which I studied as an undergrad to understand why such budget creep inevitably occurs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law

And then study the "Washington Monument Syndrome" for why cuts are always at the local offices instead of the Department of Commerce Executive offices:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Monument_syndrome
I will grudgingly agree that maybe not everything NOAA puts out is necessary but  I am not a MET. I don't know what this data is used for but I assume mets use it for daily, longterm, and severe weather events. I have an app called Wx. It covers everything that the NWS puts out. It's incredible the amount of reports that are available.
If there any current or former mets in this group could you chime in with your perspective on the amount of data this is publicly available and what its used for.   

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Re: NOAA
« Reply #60 on: April 13, 2025, 01:54:43 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/11/climate/noaa-research-budget-cuts.html

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Trump administration officials are recommending the elimination of the scientific research division at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, according to internal documents obtained by The New York Times and several people with knowledge of the situation.

The proposal from the Office of Management and Budget would abolish the Oceanic and Atmospheric Research office at NOAA, one of the world’s premiere Earth sciences research centers.

A budget allocation of just over $170 million, down from about $485 million in 2024, would hobble science as varied as early warning systems for natural disasters, science education for students in kindergarten through high school, and the study of the Arctic, where temperatures have increased nearly four times as fast as the rest of the planet over the past four decades.

“At this funding level, O.A.R. is eliminated as a line office,” the proposal states.

Programs that retained funding, including research into tornado warnings and ocean acidification, would be relocated to the National Weather Service and National Ocean Service offices.

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Re: NOAA
« Reply #61 on: April 14, 2025, 09:11:09 AM »
And the point of showing all of this?????

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Re: NOAA
« Reply #62 on: April 14, 2025, 09:49:22 AM »
And the point of showing all of this?????
Just information about the agency most relevant to weather. Apologies if you’re bothered.

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Re: NOAA
« Reply #63 on: April 14, 2025, 10:40:08 AM »
Some are just tired of posts with overt political overtones....

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Re: NOAA
« Reply #64 on: April 14, 2025, 10:46:54 AM »
Some are just tired of posts with overt political overtones....

I think the majority of the comments are useful for non USA folks to keep abreast of what goes on and people's views on it all after all it does affect people in other countries.

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Re: NOAA
« Reply #65 on: April 14, 2025, 11:03:36 AM »
Some are just tired of posts with overt political overtones....
NOAA's budget and operations are being strongly cut back by the current administration. That's just relevant news.

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Re: NOAA
« Reply #66 on: April 14, 2025, 03:25:05 PM »
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