Author Topic: How does it work when you have multiple outdoor sensor, what gets uploaded?  (Read 630 times)

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Offline kinwolf

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Hi, I just installed the wittboy and the gw2001, and I see it is detected correctly, and I now get Rainfall Piezo stats online, so it is working correctly.

But, I alread had many sensors installed, and some seems to have been replaced by the wittboy in the dashboard dara, while others aren't.  What decides what is shown?  And is there any way to have them all show up their respective data?

Sensors:
WH40  -> Appears correctly as Rainfall(non piezo) and wittboy appears as rainfall piezo.(precision for the haptic sensor looks crappy right now, sadly)
WH32(outdoor) -> Appears correctly, but I see no sign of the temp/humidity sensors data from the wittboy?(Wsview reports that the data is coming from the WH32, un less I am reading this wrong)
WS68-> I do not see it's data in the GW2001, I only see the Wittboy UV and wind sensors.  Any way to get it back, along the wittboy data?
« Last Edit: June 27, 2022, 09:10:13 AM by kinwolf »

Offline Rover1822

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Yeah, you can only have another rain sensor along with a WS90 (WittBoy). You cannot see other things like wind in duplicate or along side.

I was amazed they brought in the rain data to be compared with another sensor, but that is it. (I was amazed as this is the first time they have done that)

Only way to see the other data is to have multiple consoles (GW1000,1100, 2000) , with the other consoles using the other sensors.

They will not appear on the same screen in the app or Ecowitt.net page. But you can select a different one to see its data.

Or you can write your own custom server and interpret the data as you wish (not a novice level thing)



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« Last Edit: June 27, 2022, 01:02:55 PM by Rover1822 »
Ambient:
  WS-2000
  PM 2.5(2)
  WH31B(2)
  WH40E
  WH31P
EcoWitt:
  GW1100
  GW1000(4)
  WH31(2)
  WH57
  WH51(12),
  WH40
  WH5360B
  WN34S
  WittBoy WS90 + GW2000
  WS90 (other one) + GW1100
Personal Sites: Weather Cam

Offline kinwolf

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Thanks for the reply.  I do have 2 gateway now, the older gw1000 and the gw2001 that came with the wittboy.  I guess I will have to de-register WH32 sensor from the gw2001 so I can get the wittboy readings on that gateway instead.  Just weird that it can't be done more easily, or even, why they can't both appear on the dashboard.  When I get more time, I'll see what I can do with weewx for that.  Time is the missing prerequisite though :P

Offline Rover1822

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I don't miss your point, be nice. But then , for them, when do you stop... I'm sure their help desk is like "What?"

Also as they have provided a couple of methodologies, you can , do what you want, requires work on your end. For the most part, I'd have to assume most don't go to the lengths that some of us do. Most probably want a "weather station", and that is pretty much it. Then there are us nut jobs, oh, but wait,  we can grab the data , mix and match sensors , and do all kinds of funky stuff, awesome.

For a static web site, and an app, that they provide, imagine the support horror of all the possible configurations. Like I said, a lot of us appreciate the fact we can roll our own at this cost point.

« Last Edit: June 27, 2022, 03:02:27 PM by Rover1822 »
Ambient:
  WS-2000
  PM 2.5(2)
  WH31B(2)
  WH40E
  WH31P
EcoWitt:
  GW1100
  GW1000(4)
  WH31(2)
  WH57
  WH51(12),
  WH40
  WH5360B
  WN34S
  WittBoy WS90 + GW2000
  WS90 (other one) + GW1100
Personal Sites: Weather Cam

Offline Gyvate

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the story is rather simple:
a console shows what is registered to it - if you have several consoles (with the capacity of reading all available sensors of a type - see table at https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730.0 section 9), you decide which ones to register and which ones not.
The console only shows what is registered.

For certain sensor types like outdoor temperature/outdoor humidity, rain, wind and solar the highlander principle applies: "there can only be one" - with the exception that a GW1000/WH2650, GW1100, GW2000 and HP2551 console can have a WS90 (the 7-in-1 outdoor array of the GW2001 station ["Wittboy"] together with a peizo/haptic rain sensor plus one traditional rain sensor (WH65 or WH40).

For the highlander principle a hierarchy applies (right over left):
outdoor temp/hum: WH65/WS69 --> WS80 ..> WS90 --> WH32(-EP)
rain: WH65/69 --> WH40
wind: WH65/WS69 --> WS68 --> WS80 --> WS90
solar: WH65/WS69 --> WS68 --> WS80 --> WS90

technically that means that the console processes only the sensor values which correspond to the hierarchy scheme

That is, by the way, all described in the central thread https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730.0
WS2350 1.6.6, GW1000(3) 1.7.7,WH2650 WiFi (2) 1.7.7 (test/backup), GW1100 2.3.1, GW2000(3) 3.1.1, HP2551 1.9.3,5.1.5;HP3500 1.7.2,WS3800 1.2.8, WN1910 1.2.3,WN1980 1.2.3;
Ecowitt WS90(2)1.3.5/1.4.0, WS80(2)1.2.5, WS68, WS69, WH40, WH31, WH31-EP, WN30, WN34L, WN35, WH32, WH32-EP, WH32B, WH57 [Lightning], WH41 [PM2.5], WH51, WH45, WH55
MeteobridgePro(2)[test,prod] 5.8 Mar 01 2024, 15185 - Blake-Larsen Sun Recorder - RPi4/weewx 4.8.0/4.10.2/CumulusMX 3282/Meteobridge RPi4B-2GB(3169)
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Offline DelChard

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1. Your WH32 outdoor sensor should be the more accurate.
2. Unless you possess Rover1822's coding skills (I don't), then, as you already run weewx, use Matthew Wall's weewx-multi to run 2 instances of weewx.
I found this quite straightforward, compared to doing it manually.
Issues depend on the reporting skin (assuming you only want to use one report).
The seasons skin is quite straightforward and well documented by T Keffer.
Belchertown skin (which I prefer) took a bit of cajoling.
24Hr Seasons skin comparison.
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Todays Belchertown version.
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Offline Gyvate

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... why they can't both appear on the dashboard.
"There can only be one !" (outdoor T/H sensor and others, see my other post) - you can have many extra temperature sensors (type WH31) ...
That's the Fine Offset / Ecowitt philosophy for a weather station.
Or you need some piece of software (e.g. weewx) to get them both together in one view/chart/dashboard
WS2350 1.6.6, GW1000(3) 1.7.7,WH2650 WiFi (2) 1.7.7 (test/backup), GW1100 2.3.1, GW2000(3) 3.1.1, HP2551 1.9.3,5.1.5;HP3500 1.7.2,WS3800 1.2.8, WN1910 1.2.3,WN1980 1.2.3;
Ecowitt WS90(2)1.3.5/1.4.0, WS80(2)1.2.5, WS68, WS69, WH40, WH31, WH31-EP, WN30, WN34L, WN35, WH32, WH32-EP, WH32B, WH57 [Lightning], WH41 [PM2.5], WH51, WH45, WH55
MeteobridgePro(2)[test,prod] 5.8 Mar 01 2024, 15185 - Blake-Larsen Sun Recorder - RPi4/weewx 4.8.0/4.10.2/CumulusMX 3282/Meteobridge RPi4B-2GB(3169)
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Offline Gyvate

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1. Your WH32 outdoor sensor should be the more accurate.
this will depend mainly on the location and the shielding of the WH32.

@DelChard: did you try to use the solar radiation and wind speed based outdoor temperature compensation feature of the GWyx00 or the HP25x0 consoles for the WH65/WS69 and see what that gives?
@DelChard/@kinwolf: this feature can be used on all arrays
WS2350 1.6.6, GW1000(3) 1.7.7,WH2650 WiFi (2) 1.7.7 (test/backup), GW1100 2.3.1, GW2000(3) 3.1.1, HP2551 1.9.3,5.1.5;HP3500 1.7.2,WS3800 1.2.8, WN1910 1.2.3,WN1980 1.2.3;
Ecowitt WS90(2)1.3.5/1.4.0, WS80(2)1.2.5, WS68, WS69, WH40, WH31, WH31-EP, WN30, WN34L, WN35, WH32, WH32-EP, WH32B, WH57 [Lightning], WH41 [PM2.5], WH51, WH45, WH55
MeteobridgePro(2)[test,prod] 5.8 Mar 01 2024, 15185 - Blake-Larsen Sun Recorder - RPi4/weewx 4.8.0/4.10.2/CumulusMX 3282/Meteobridge RPi4B-2GB(3169)
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Offline DelChard

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@Gyvate
It wasn't relevant to the post, so I didn't mention that the WS69 plot is using the radiation compensation.
As per the version I originally tried with my HP2550, I'm finding that it works well during stable conditions.
But, to my liking it is far too erratic with the sort of cloud cover I normally get.
I only post using my WH32EP (which is well protected), and my console displays the uncorrected WS80 temperature.
I've attached the current full plot (Radiation values are from the WS80).
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Offline davidefa

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As per the version I originally tried with my HP2550, I'm finding that it works well during stable conditions.
But, to my liking it is far too erratic with the sort of cloud cover I normally get.

I agree 100%, I calculated the same correction in a spreadsheet, in two different days and graphed the result, the calculated correction varies a lot.
I think the solar radiation and the wind gust should be smoothed ( a moving average should do ) considering a time constant similar to that of the shield ( I think something in the range of 5-10 min )

Offline kinwolf

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1. Your WH32 outdoor sensor should be the more accurate.
this will depend mainly on the location and the shielding of the WH32.

@DelChard: did you try to use the solar radiation and wind speed based outdoor temperature compensation feature of the GWyx00 or the HP25x0 consoles for the WH65/WS69 and see what that gives?
@DelChard/@kinwolf: this feature can be used on all arrays

Indeed, comparing the WH32 with the Wittboy values made me realize I should probably relocate it and get a shielding for the WH32 as it always reports higher temp of about 2 degrees.  It is located in a shaded location, but close to the house wall, so it is probably getting some extra heat.

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As per the version I originally tried with my HP2550, I'm finding that it works well during stable conditions.
But, to my liking it is far too erratic with the sort of cloud cover I normally get.

I agree 100%, I calculated the same correction in a spreadsheet, in two different days and graphed the result, the calculated correction varies a lot.
I think the solar radiation and the wind gust should be smoothed ( a moving average should do ) considering a time constant similar to that of the shield ( I think something in the range of 5-10 min )
I believe Mark Crossley suggested something similar in another post.
I'm attaching a photoshop montage of my 3 ecowitt.net charts.
To my mind the non-compensated WS80 and WH32EP show  a degree of correlation, the compensated WS69 looks weird.

I must, however, commend Ecowitt for their efforts, and I'm sure they will continue to develop the algorithm to a satisfactory conclusion.

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@kinwolf
My WH32 is also shaded, and possibly has it's own microclimate, but that's the temperature I choose to monitor.

 

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