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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #775 on: November 21, 2022, 12:08:59 PM »
@GiusCb, if you are experiencing problems like this, I would recommend purchasing an outlet with WIFI and connecting to a nearby WIFI network. A remote control will allow you to remotely reset the gateway and restore the signal. I am familiar with this problem on both the GW2000/GW1100. I have set up in both locations and it helps.

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you say that you really have to turn off/on the gw2000 ? Isn't a soft restart via gui enough?
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #776 on: November 21, 2022, 12:10:50 PM »
I have tried various solutions. Seeing anomalies in the data and a refresh problem, I let go of the reset via the Tuya Smart app and the signal returns to 5 dashes. I use one of those WIFI sockets and have the GW1100 plugged into that. It also works with the GW2000.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #777 on: November 21, 2022, 12:16:14 PM »
I'm assuming you do this because you are not close enough to the unit to just pull it from power, and plug back in.

Edit: I have never experienced the issue discussed by giusCB, and I guess , if he wanted to, that would be a thing to test, just repowering the unit , if , nothing else he is ding is correcting the issue. I would , and probably he does, find why it is happening , and then correct it.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #778 on: November 21, 2022, 12:19:36 PM »
I have tried various solutions. Seeing anomalies in the data and a refresh problem, I let go of the reset via the Tuya Smart app and the signal returns to 5 dashes. I use one of those WIFI sockets and have the GW1100 plugged into that. It also works with the GW2000.

with this outlet you turn off the electricity, right?
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #779 on: November 21, 2022, 12:21:57 PM »
I have tried various solutions. Seeing anomalies in the data and a refresh problem, I let go of the reset via the Tuya Smart app and the signal returns to 5 dashes. I use one of those WIFI sockets and have the GW1100 plugged into that. It also works with the GW2000.

with this outlet you turn off the electricity, right?

Yes, this is what he is describing, basically a smart outlet, plug ... used for lights , etc. I edited my previous
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #780 on: November 23, 2022, 12:56:36 PM »
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #781 on: November 23, 2022, 02:33:57 PM »
Did the Kite? :)
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #782 on: November 25, 2022, 05:28:53 PM »
Hi,

I'm sorry if this has been discussed before.
I currently have a GW1000 with wind/rain/lightning/multiple indoor sensors.

I'm considering getting a Wittboy during the black friday sales.

I believe the Wittboy has its own wifi gateway.

Can i run both weather stations concurrently in the same Ecowitt ios app?
Or do i need to create a secondary user?

The goal would be to run both to compare wind / rain data etc.

Then after a few months to move all sensors across to the wittboy gateway and decomission the GW1000.

Thoughts?
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #783 on: November 25, 2022, 05:37:00 PM »
yes, the GW2001 station ("Wittboy") consists of the GW2000 console and the WS90 sensor array - the console/gateway can be connected to either a WLAN ("WiFi") or a LAN
you can run two stations in parallel - it depends on which sensors you register with which console
if you register two sensor (array)s of the same type where there can be only one (wind, solar, outdoor temp and rain*), the so-called sensor hierarchy applies - for details read https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730.0

regarding the app, it depends on which app you are talking about:
- in the WS View app you will have an entry for each console/gateway after pairing with the local network router
- in the Ecowitt app you can only see what you have registered on ecowitt.net
you can register several devices under one user account

*) with a WS90 also a traditional rain gauge can be installed in parallel
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #784 on: November 25, 2022, 05:48:43 PM »
Thanks for the info.
From the link you sent, it appears the WS90 can run on the GW1000 gateway.
So would i even need to use the wittboy wifi gateway?  Does it provide any extra benefit to just sticking with the GW1000?
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #785 on: November 25, 2022, 06:20:49 PM »
Thanks for the info.
From the link you sent, it appears the WS90 can run on the GW1000 gateway.
So would i even need to use the wittboy wifi gateway?  Does it provide any extra benefit to just sticking with the GW1000?
Of course you can use a WS90 with a GW1x00 - but if your GW1x00 is already in use with other sensors which you want to keep and compare and you add a WS90, it will not show both base sensors (rain, wind, outdoor T/H and solar) - only one of them based on the hierarchy rules.
Therefore a 2nd console/gateway will be useful - e.g. a GW2000. So you can run both stations in parallel and can compare.
In addition, the GW2000 is the most powerful and most modern console Ecowitt have so far.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #786 on: November 28, 2022, 03:39:26 PM »
strange problems today..
Yesterday the gw2000 lost the signal from the sensor, than it recovered again but without the data from the anemometer.
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I've re-register the sensor ID and immediately recover the data from anemometer. It's seems (the gw2000) it not decode correctly the wind after it wake up from signal loss....
beyond this, gusts at 150-160 km/h are expected next Tuesday  :lol:
I've had a lot of reception problems, and I've discovered they are caused by the gw2000 firmware version 2.1.9.
With version 2.2.0 they seem to have been fixed, but are still in testing...  ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
luckily i have remote access on the gw2000 , otherwise i would lose all the data...
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #787 on: December 02, 2022, 03:25:54 PM »
You know, I didn't mind the wind and rain issues with the WS90,,which are now mostly resolved....but now I'm kind of disappointed and even regretting my WS90 purchase.

When its -30oC outside and the heater is running, it creates local heating to the point the it reports temperatures that are 4oC warmer than ambient.

This not acceptable at all, and no, I do not want to apply an offset.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #788 on: December 03, 2022, 04:10:31 AM »
Use WH32EP + a good radiation shield - for example, Barani Meteoshield Pro or Metspec. WS90/80 measure temperature poorly on solar days. The radiation shield is a toy.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #789 on: December 03, 2022, 04:52:16 AM »
they put the heater in without testing it first, it's a problem that was already known
now, the only solution is to use a separate wh32 ...
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #790 on: December 03, 2022, 05:04:15 AM »
Use WH32EP + a good radiation shield - for example, Barani Meteoshield Pro or Metspec. WS90/80 measure temperature poorly on solar days. The radiation shield is a toy.
It all depends on your acuuracy needs:
- a WH32 inside a Davis 7714 provides reasonably good readings also in full sunlight
of course a WH32-EP will provide more accuracy behind the decimal point (comma), but a normal WH32 inside a proper radiation shield performs rather well
- the radiation shielding of the WS90 is not so bad - if you don't mind a maximum +/-2° deviation in full sunlight and no wind, it's OK
but it's generally a good idea to have separate locations for a wind and temperature sensor => a WS90 with a WH32 (-EP or not) is generally a good idea

Not to be misunderstood - I have a WH32-EP inside a Barani Meateoshield Pro, and a WH32 (no EP) and a WH31-EP inside a MetSpec Rad02 shield and they don't deviate more than 0.2 °C from each other - in high solar exposure.
Directly after rainfalls the MeteoShield Pro recovers fastest and the MetSpecRad02 takes longer to win the fight with Evapotranspiration impact.

But for most users I think a Davis 7714 with a normal WH32 inside will do the job. 8-)

The WS80 heating did so far not affect the T/H readings significantly (I have a separate GW1000 running iwth the WS80 T/H readings).
As for the WS90 I still have to wait for colder days to come in order to see the heater impact on T/H readings and therefore cannot comment yet.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #791 on: December 03, 2022, 05:45:37 AM »
Personally I don't believe that the heater nfluences the thermometer of the ws90, me here I don't have this problem and since I added the SHT35 module my results are very good even at -10°C.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #792 on: December 03, 2022, 07:11:13 AM »
At - 10 oC, it's not noticeable as much, maybe 1 to 2 oC, but wait for - 30oC and the heater is on more often and it will be very noticeable.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #793 on: December 03, 2022, 12:18:32 PM »
Personally I don't believe that the heater nfluences the thermometer of the ws90, me here I don't have this problem and since I added the SHT35 module my results are very good even at -10°C.
compared to ?
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #794 on: December 03, 2022, 12:33:37 PM »
compared to ws90 with SHT40 which is next.  [tup]
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #795 on: December 04, 2022, 04:31:59 AM »
At - 10 oC, it's not noticeable as much, maybe 1 to 2 oC, but wait for - 30oC and the heater is on more often and it will be very noticeable.

What do you even need the heater for? I do not have one because it needs a power outlet.  ](*,)
We have -11C right now, it has a small snow cap on it but so what.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #796 on: December 04, 2022, 04:42:27 AM »
At - 10 oC, it's not noticeable as much, maybe 1 to 2 oC, but wait for - 30oC and the heater is on more often and it will be very noticeable.

What do you even need the heater for? I do not have one because it needs a power outlet.  ](*,)
We have -11C right now, it has a small snow cap on it but so what.
maybe you didn't understand the purpose of the heater - at temperatures below 0°C the ultrasonic wind measurements are likely to be wrong with ice/snow particles being present - therefore only the wind sensor area is heated.
That shouldn't impact the temperature reading though significantly.
It's not about snow caps and preventing the charging via the solar panel.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #797 on: December 04, 2022, 05:38:42 AM »
Hooking up the heating is mandatory in a climate where snowfall and frost occur every year. This year, one of my ultrasound instruments did not have the heating plugged in. There was a heavy snowstorm, with 20 cm falling in 24 hours. The WS80 iced up, snow covered the entire instrument, and I had a second WS80 in the same town to which I had put heating before the snowstorm.

The second WS80 worked smoothly during the heavy winter precipitation at around 0°C. The first instrument succumbed to ice, hung up the wind speed on one value for 1 hour, then started showing wind gusts of 120-140 km/,h, which certainly did not occur.

Interestingly, by this time the WS68 had completely iced up and the wind vane and blades had stopped rotating, and so had the Barani Wind without heating. The WS80 worked smoothly and the heater passed the test. If anyone cares about reliable and continuous measurements in the cold half of the year, hooking up the cable together with the heater is the only solution. There is a reason why all instruments from professional companies such as Vaisala, Gill, Lufft, Thies, have sensor heating options to remove snow and ice from the transmitters.

The truth is that ultrasonic anemometers are more reliable than rotary anemometers in cold climates, but it is mandatory to have a heater. Otherwise, during a heavy snowstorm and when the temperature is at or below 0°C, the measuring instrument will ice up after some time and consequently show incorrect values.

A cable must also be connected to the WS90 if the instrument is to function faultlessly throughout the winter period. This year to one WS90, I did not connect a heating cable for a test, it rained freezing rain and erroneous wind speed values started to appear. Surprisingly the snowstorm did not ice the WS90, but the intensity was not as high as in April when I had a WS80 in the same location. In any case, the WS90s at either location will have a heating cable hooked up, as the likelihood of icing on the measuring instrument, even outside mountainous areas, is high in winter weather and not worth giving up.

It should also be added that although Ecowitt gives a maximum of 20 m cable to the power supply, this can be circumvented very simply. Buy a suitable extension cable, e.g. 20 m or 30 m, and run two cables, so that the power supply can be provided from the house or garage, for example. Of course, we insulate the plug from moisture so that there is no short-circuit in the extension cable, and we put the power supply unit in plastic packaging or foil, for example, so that it is not so exposed to the weather, even though it has an IP standard.
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #798 on: December 04, 2022, 07:21:58 AM »
In this case, I wish they had some kind of PV panel with a battery I could use to power the WS90 heater.
There is no way to get power to where it is installed. 
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Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
« Reply #799 on: December 04, 2022, 07:22:51 AM »
In this case, I wish they had some kind of PV panel with a battery I could use to power the WS90 heater.
There is no way to get power to where it is installed.

At what distance do you have a WS90 from your house/apartment?
Ecowitt WS90 1.3.8, WS80 1.2.5, Ecowitt WS68, Ecowitt WH31EP/WH32EP, WH40, WH57, WN34L, WH51, WN34D, HP2560_C, HP2550_C, GW1100, GW2000. Davis Vantage Pro 2, Davis Vue, Davis 6313, Hongyuv WDS2E

Barani Meteoshield Pro II, III, Davis FARS 24H

 

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