Topic: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison

[Meteorology fan]

Are you also using Barani Meteoshield Pro III after the June modification in the passive version?

[Jasper3012]

Nothing to report from my end, the cloudy and windy weather is continuing here so there is nothing interesting happening. Below are 2 graphs of the wind speed at 5 m and rainfall in the past 24 h, to give you an indication of the conditions here. Don’t expect a lot of interesting data from my end in the coming months, unless we get a sunny and snowy period, something that only happens about twice a decade here.

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[mauro63]

Are you also using Barani Meteoshield Pro III after the June modification in the passive version?

Yes, although, personally, I have not noticed any appreciable differences but, even in this case, I maintain a humble and cautious attitude, it could be due to the high level of site-specificity of my position.

M.

[mauro63]

Nothing to report from my end, the cloudy and windy weather is continuing here so there is nothing interesting happening. Below are 2 graphs of the wind speed at 5 m and rainfall in the past 24 h, to give you an indication of the conditions here. Don’t expect a lot of interesting data from my end in the coming months, unless we get a sunny and snowy period, something that only happens about twice a decade here.

Don't worry, but don't believe, even apparently useless situations can hide good possibilities of noticing differences related to various aspects 

M.

[Meteorology fan]

mauro063 - After our 1.5-year tests, it came out that in the Polish climate the Apogee TS100 presented more reliable data than the Barani Ms Pro III in more scenarios, and other passive targets like the Metspec RAD02 were also tested. However, it was location dependent. Colleagues who have the TS-100 do not imagine measuring only with active ones because of possible problems with, for example, the fan and power supply, the AC adapter. However, they are looking for a replacement for the Barani, and I know that another will be releasing an aftermarket Ms Pro III. One Siap will be comparing the TS-100 with a Davis passive shield, Davis FARS24H, to find out if it makes sense to add this shield in addition to the active ones.

The Barani Meteoshield Pro III was most annoying to colleagues at low sun angles, but also the behavior on snow at high albedo and sun.

[mauro63]

mauro063 - After our 1.5-year tests, it came out that in the Polish climate the Apogee TS100 presented more reliable data than the Barani Ms Pro III in more scenarios, and other passive targets like the Metspec RAD02 were also tested. However, it was location dependent. Colleagues who have the TS-100 do not imagine measuring only with active ones because of possible problems with, for example, the fan and power supply, the AC adapter. However, they are looking for a replacement for the Barani, and I know that another will be releasing an aftermarket Ms Pro III. One Siap will be comparing the TS-100 with a Davis passive shield, Davis FARS24H, to find out if it makes sense to add this shield in addition to the active ones.

The Barani Meteoshield Pro III was most annoying to colleagues at low sun angles, but also the behavior on snow at high albedo and sun.

Well, this confirms what I say, the location, the climatic conditions, the disturbances often generated even in good level installations, can influence the behavior of the screens and give different visions even if, normally, a good screen will hardly have terrible performances.

Siap was born not with the aim of offering exceptional performances only in certain situations, even if we are noticing that it has nothing to fear compared to its competitors, on the contrary, but trying to obtain results as repeatable as possible in different conditions.

These are important aspects when a screen is used in particularly large networks.

Regarding the active ventilation screens, even if I must admit that I am not a fan, for reasons that I have already explained, I agree that they deserve a position in those stations that have, in any case, the presence of a valid passive system, and possibly with redundancy.

sorry for the OT

M.

[mauro63]

Yesterday's report with rain

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M.

[Kallo78]

Report of yesterday
Rainy day.
In the charts I have put as reference the Siap. In the summary tables still no. I will do it

[ypsinine]

Hi folks,

My S+M Smart Cellino is now installed and have replaced the Barani.
So far I am very happy about the performance versus the Barani during the low sun we have in winter here at 60 ° North.

Here's how it looks:
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[mauro63]

Hi folks,

My S+M Smart Cellino is now installed and have replaced the Barani.
So far I am very happy about the performance versus the Barani during the low sun we have in winter here at 60 ° North.

Here's how it looks:

First of all, thank you for sharing the photo of your installation and I have to tell you, in my hearth, that I feel a deep sense of envy towards you

We will be happy if you want to share graphs and details of your measurements.

M.

[Jasper3012]

Hi folks,

My S+M Smart Cellino is now installed and have replaced the Barani.
So far I am very happy about the performance versus the Barani during the low sun we have in winter here at 60 ° North.

Here's how it looks:
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Very, very jealous of that scenery... Have you got another sensor to equip the Barani aswell and do some comparative testing?

[mauro63]

Yesterday's report

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M.

[Kallo78]

Report yesterday. Rainy day. There is a different reactivity, I think normal, to the change of wind and temperature of the sensors without filter (in Apogee and Siap) compared to the Pro3 with sensor with filter.

[ypsinine]

First of all, thank you for sharing the photo of your installation and I have to tell you, in my hearth, that I feel a deep sense of envy towards you
We will be happy if you want to share graphs and details of your measurements.

M.

Thanks for your help Mauro!
I am not sure it is of any benefit to share graphs and details here since they are already available on my website.
And there would be no comparisons since I do not run several radiation shields (which somewhat contrary to this topic).

Very, very jealous of that scenery... Have you got another sensor to equip the Barani aswell and do some comparative testing?

Unfortunately no, I do not plan on doing any comparisons. But I will however continue to follow your data in this thread. 

[mauro63]

First of all, thank you for sharing the photo of your installation and I have to tell you, in my hearth, that I feel a deep sense of envy towards you
We will be happy if you want to share graphs and details of your measurements.

M.

Thanks for your help Mauro!
I am not sure it is of any benefit to share graphs and details here since they are already available on my website.
And there would be no comparisons since I do not run several radiation shields (which somewhat contrary to this topic).

Very, very jealous of that scenery... Have you got another sensor to equip the Barani aswell and do some comparative testing?

Unfortunately no, I do not plan on doing any comparisons. But I will however continue to follow your data in this thread. 

You're welcome, it was a pleasure, if one day you want to do comparison tests with another screen, let's talk about it privately if you want, we will surely find a satisfying solution for you and useful for this purpose too 

M.

[Meteorology fan]

ypsinine - What significant differences between SiAp and Barani do you see in your climatic conditions. What are the pros and cons? Don't you plan to equip yourself additionally with a ventilated screen, i.e. Davis FARS24H or Apogee TS100?

[Dvalente75]

My yesterday report

[mauro63]

Yesterday's report

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M.

[Dvalente75]

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[mauro63]

Yesterday's report, in this case at 5 minutes

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this choice is due to the homothermy throughout the day, low incident solar radiation, good ventilation in the middle of the day, which makes the sampling frequency irrelevant and allows us to confirm, something that was evident in the previous days and not yesterday, the tendency of the pro to show signs of suffering with solar elevation around 20/25°, although, in my position, limited to a few hours and with acceptable intensity.

It is a sign that confirms that the "horizontal" solar radiation, decidedly more important in this period of the year, highlights this limit of the Pro more than the Siap, the Metspec hut would seem to be positioned halfway in these extremes.

M.

[mauro63]

I hereby inform you that, and I apologize on behalf of the Company, from now until the end of the Christmas and New Year holidays, shipments will be suspended.

I am of course always available for any need and, in the case of orders, to manage them in the appropriate timeframes that will be not very quick, in agreement with Siap+Micros I will evaluate possible emergency.

Thank you all

M.

[Kallo78]

Yesterday report

Siap wh31 no filters
Apogge wh31 no filters
Pro 3 wh32

5min and 1min

[mauro63]

Yesterday's report

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M.

[mauro63]

Yesterday's report, characterized by overcast skies with only rare appearances of the sun, rain in the evening

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Obviously a situation that tends to "level" the data, the timid signs of suffering of the Pro compared to the Siap today are barely perceptible om tha rare moments of solar radiation peaks.

M.

[Jasper3012]

Yesterday's report, characterized by overcast skies with only rare appearances of the sun, rain in the evening

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Obviously a situation that tends to "level" the data, the timid signs of suffering of the Pro compared to the Siap today are barely perceptible om tha rare moments of solar radiation peaks.

M.

I’ve noticed your Barani seems to suffer from quite a significant undercatch of rain at times, similar to a lot of MeteoRains in Belgium. Mine had a 10-20% undercatch aswell and I therefore replaced it with an SBS500.