Author Topic: The Reliability of the SHT-31 Humidity Sensor & What Psychrometer Should I Buy?  (Read 71183 times)

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Offline CW2274

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Granted, only been a day, and it's dry, but the new 31 is nailing the dew point. Very pleased!

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Yeah, if you can work it out, I donít think the SF2 inside the stock filter will cost you much in response time with the fan.
What I'm trying to help alleviate is the wild temp swings that I see during max insolation as the heat eddies across the desert floor. With a 60CFM fan, those are sucked up like nobody's business. I have a 40CFM backup, but am not inclined to swap them at this time. When the stock filter starts to "dirty up", maybe I'll be more satisfied. Yep, dirtier may be better...well at least for me.
Have you compared the graphs between your station and KTUS? If youíre not aware, you can get the raw 1 minute historical ASOS readings from here.

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/asos-onemin/

Choose the annual folder that begins with 6406...those have the temp/dew data in them. Theyíre large files so you have a lot of scrolling to go through to find the station youíre looking for.

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Yeah, if you can work it out, I donít think the SF2 inside the stock filter will cost you much in response time with the fan.
What I'm trying to help alleviate is the wild temp swings that I see during max insolation as the heat eddies across the desert floor. With a 60CFM fan, those are sucked up like nobody's business. I have a 40CFM backup, but am not inclined to swap them at this time. When the stock filter starts to "dirty up", maybe I'll be more satisfied. Yep, dirtier may be better...well at least for me.
Have you compared the graphs between your station and KTUS? If youíre not aware, you can get the raw 1 minute historical ASOS readings from here.
Yes I have, and I'm aware. Thank you.

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I hereby proclaim myself as "Procrastinator In Chief".  On April 24, 2016 I bought a Sensiron SHT31 from Ryan Wilhour and this afternoon I installed it!  :D  Not that I would take my own sweet time or anything.  It's nice to not be so dry around here...it had got down to 1% humidity and dewpoint down in the minus-twenties...really hazardous climate around here!!!  :lol: :lol:

Anyhow, it's "kind of" a dangerous procedure.  Here is a (semi) before and after picture...
IMG_0928a (Custom) by Ed Welch, on Flickr

Installed and ready to be remounted (a little cleanup job, too)...
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My gardening buddy might stop telling me I live in Death Valley now!!!!

It's interesting, but my anemometer stopped working and I had to do a little trouble-shooting.  What I found was something had bit(?) the anemometer cable.  I cut that section out and spliced the pieces back together and all is well with the anemometer, too!  But, fixing that got me on a roll so in between rains today I got the sensor replaced, too!  [tup]  Lazy that I am....  :grin: :grin:
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Nope, I still haven't replaced that humidity sensor... DONE!<grin>

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Jeez dude, 'bout time. 1% in Alabama? :-P That said, did you apply the -0.9F temp offset?

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<chuckle> Well, I knew I'd get around to it sooner.............................................................or later!  :lol:

Umm, besides taking my own sweet time I've skipped a few classes along the way.  The, uh, -0.9F temp offset? :-s

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Your VP2 came with an SHT11, you replaced it with a 31, same as me and many others here. Since the protocol is different with the PCB, you'll need to subtract 0.9F from your console to correct for that fact.

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Thanks!  I'll get'er done!!!!!!!!!!! 

Now to go scrub the moss out of the rain bucket....  :roll:  I will say that the new(er) bucket with the bird spikes have made a BIG difference in debris in the bucket...I mean, basically ZERO debris!   =D&gt;

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It took me a couple of tries but I got the -0.9 offset keyed in.

I was interested in seeing changes in the humidity reading.  We had off-and-on rains yesterday so the humidity sensor was maxing out at around 95% after getting things put back together.  This morning was heavy fog with a saturated ground, the reading peaked at 98%.  Now it is finally dropping a bit...down to 92% at the moment.  I don't have to have perfection (ya think? :lol:) but it's good to have it back in a believable ballpark!  [tup]

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I think I've got a new station!  :lol:

How long do most people get out of the SHT-31?  It looks like the original SHT-11 gave me around three years of service here in humid south Alabama.  Can I expect the SHT-31 give about the same service?

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Don't know whether you've followed this very thread or not, but it's basically about how the Davis derived SHT31 can develop a wet bias after being subjected to a lot of high humidity. Since your sensor is literally the first batch released, this is something you may want to watch for. Whether Davis has addressed this issue or not is debatable, but it seems that it may have been. I'm in a very dry climate, so I'm not the best at judging this.

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Yes, I followed along with some of it...lots of it over my head but I did get the drift of water-logged sensors.  I wonder whether the finer screen on the cover might help some...and that's probably been discussed in the thread.  I'm gonna go with it lasting at least as long as the OE one.  I was needing to order a VP2 solar cover from Scaled Instruments and was going to order a backup sensor while I was at it.  But, I think I'll skip the sensor and see what happens.  No quicker than I got then one installed it can sit on the shelf in Florida as well as in Alabama.  :grin:  The solar cover is showing it's age, though.  Part of the locking clip broke a couple or three years ago and the screen protector is all fogged and cracking up...but it keeps working and it stays dry inside.  I may wait a little longer on it, too.  Glad to have the station back at 100%...I just need to get a weather-cam up again.

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I know others probably think I'm full of it, but I swear by the SF2 cap. Is it an end-all-be-all solution, don't know, but I'll never go without it again.

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I'll see how it goes with the new cap, afterall...it's been 1% humidity around here for quiet a while...anything higher is improvement!! :lol:

I did save the old sensor and cap...something maybe to tinker with later...  [tup]

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I'll see how it goes with the new cap
Understood, however, the stock filter will do nothing to alleviate any potential bias, as it's merely still just that...the stock filter. The SF2 isn't and performs a much more protective roll.

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It looks like it requires modification to the cap?

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This was reply #1636 I made a couple of weeks ago. You may want to read further after that.

"I wasn't thrilled about the glue option so I trimmed the four feet down to be flush with the base and used very thin stainless steel wire to wrap around the cap and cinch it down with pliers twisting from the back side. The wire doesn't come in contact with the membrane but arches over. With the "gooey" substance that surrounds the sensor it allows the cap to seat firmly in what I believe is a true seal."

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Ok, I get it.  I may go that route.  Thanks.

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Aight gangÖ Davis may have fixed their humidity sensor issue. I ordered one from Ryan the other day for one of my stations and the sensor is performing well so far. Ryan says he just recently replaced his humidity sensor and itís working well for him too. Anybody else having the same result?
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I recently purchased two new sensors and they have been working just fine, both hit 100%  and checked out just fine on low end. No sign so far of wet bias that i have seen.

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I recently purchased two new sensors and they have been working just fine, both hit 100%  and checked out just fine on low end. No sign so far of wet bias that i have seen.

Awesome! Planning on getting the one with the 25ft cable for the Barani shield. Hopefully it will perform the same. How much board did you have to cut off? I think with my setup I donít have to worry about removing all the stuff that protects the wiring.
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I always remove as much board as i can to increase the response time of the sensor as fast as possible and i am using the sf2 filter too. I am running the newest sensor to get some good in warranty time before cutting the board down.

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Have you guys noticed any particular modification to the sensor or the potting, or does it just seem to perform better?

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No real changes that i can see, still the outdated large mounting board and filter cover and over use of the potting material. Could be an unseen thing like better handling of the mounting of the sensor and storage or even some changes at the factory but they seem to work better than in the past. It could be just got a good batch for a change. My oldest new sensor has been through several periods of over 90% humidity for days on end and when it did finally dry out the humidity did not show the hang up in the low 80% range that the other ones did, just a nice even drop as the humidity went down.

 

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