Author Topic: Availability of WS-5000 (Read 6481 times)

daehenoc · « **on:** January 30, 2020, 03:22:28 AM »

Hi all, I'm a new user to the forums, hello!

I've been looking at the Weather Station market lately and found the AW WS-5000, after a bit of research I decided that I really liked it and have contacted AW asking when it they will have more back in stock. Then I found the thread that described how it was a beta unit at the end of 2019 and I was sad

I'm waiting for a response back from AW, but in the meantime, does anyone have any information of when the WS-5000 may become available for general purchase?

KC5JIM · « **Reply #1 on:** January 30, 2020, 04:10:27 AM »

http://www.ecowitt.com/weather_station/119.html

If you don't need the display and plan to upload to a weather website, you can get it much cheaper:

http://www.ecowitt.com/weather_station/118.html

Fine Offset is the maker of the WS-5000, Ecowitt is the main distributor for Fine Offset.

galfert · « **Reply #2 on:** January 30, 2020, 06:39:56 AM »

The WS-5000 is no longer beta. But it is out of stock as you have noticed. The Ecowitt HP2553 is essentially the same as the WS-5000 with some software differences. Namely where it uploads to. See here for Ambient versus Ecowitt comparison.
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=37760.0

Ambient (most models) and Ecowitt are both manufactured by Fine Offset.

daehenoc · « **Reply #3 on:** February 07, 2020, 09:04:17 PM »

Thanks for the replies

So if I get an EcoWitt HP2553, I don't need to get the GW1000/1003, because the HP2553 can upload data to weatherunderground, right?

I want to get five indoor sensors, is the WH-32 the best option I have here?

I will be getting at least one WH-33 as well.

galfert · « **Reply #4 on:** February 08, 2020, 06:29:27 AM »

Quote from: daehenoc on February 07, 2020, 09:04:17 PM

Thanks for the replies

So if I get an EcoWitt HP2553, I don't need to get the GW1000/1003, because the HP2553 can upload data to weatherunderground, right?

Correct, you won't need the GW1000 if you get the HP2553, unless you also plan on running additional 3rd party software to enable you to send data to more places. The exception is WeeWx because it can get data from the HP2553's console, but WeeWx will soon support the other method to get data (local API) which is a better way that only the GW1000 can provide.

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I want to get five indoor sensors, is the WH-32 the best option I have here?

No, you can only have one WH32 and the HP2553 already comes with one of these and it is for outdoor use only. Additional sensors for temperature and humidity is accomplished by the WH31. You can have up to eight WH31 sensors.

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I will be getting at least one WH-33 as well.

The WH43 is the indoor PM2.5. You can have up to four PM2.5 sensors in any combination of WH43 and WH41 as long as you only have four total. The major difference is that the WH41 has a solar panel for outdoor power along with rechargeable batteries, and the WH43 is powered by USB cable.

daehenoc · « **Reply #5 on:** February 08, 2020, 07:30:09 PM »

Hi galfert, thank you very much for the responses! Now I just need to save up my pennies, it's a bit more expensive than I thought it would be

I had a skim through Amazon, and it seems that not all of these items are available from Amazon, so I will order directly via the EcoWitt web site I guess.

davefr · « **Reply #6 on:** February 09, 2020, 10:06:24 AM »

Quote from: galfert on January 30, 2020, 06:39:56 AM

The WS-5000 is no longer beta. But it is out of stock as you have noticed. The Ecowitt HP2553 is essentially the same as the WS-5000 with some software differences. Namely where it uploads to. See here for Ambient versus Ecowitt comparison.
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=37760.0

Ambient (most models) and Ecowitt are both manufactured by Fine Offset.

The HP2553 advertises a wireless range of 600' open field for the Ultrasonic Anemometer Sensor yet only 300' open field for the rain gauge.

The WS-5000 advertises a range of 1000' line of sight for the kit. (no mention of lower range for the rain gauge)

Is the WS-5000 really superior in range over the HP2553 kit or are these just "specsmanship" differences but the same basic radios?

galfert · « **Reply #7 on:** February 09, 2020, 07:20:41 PM »

Quote from: davefr on February 09, 2020, 10:06:24 AM

Is the WS-5000 really superior in range over the HP2553 kit or are these just "specsmanship" differences but the same basic radios?

I've seen specification differences in other Fine Offset parts. Not only between Ambient and Ecowitt but from what you see on Fine Offset's websites too. Therefore I think some of these specifications either change through time as things are adjusted and improved or they are just translated wrong due to unit conversion or just differences in interpretation of results and maybe even human error. There may also be differences in signal due to different frequencies of the station (433, 868, and 915 MHz).

In the end I think that a WS-5000 is probably the same as the HP2553 in terms of hardware and performance. But I'm not saying that with 100% certainty.

galfert · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2020, 05:41:33 PM »

If you are an early adopter of the WS-5000 Ambient just announced (Ed) on Facebook that you'll get 2 years of warranty instead of 1 year because of some build quality issues but only on the first 100 sold. I would imagine that the first 100 is the ones sold up to now since it currently is out of stock.

galfert · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2020, 08:42:53 AM »

The WS-5000 now has a parts category on Ambient's site. Currently only the bird spikes are listed. I'm sure in time we will see the individual components listed.

https://www.ambientweather.com/amwewsrepa7.html

I know that there are people that are interested in the separate rain gauge. This will be a part that WS-2000 stations can use as the separate WH40 rain gauge will override the all-in-one Osprey sensor while letting you still use the Osprey sensor array for its other sensors. Or the other way around, where you add just the WS80 wind sensor and keep using the Osprey for its other sensors. Same with the outdoor temperature/humidity sensor. Basically you can mix and match and have a hybrid system. Just another approach to fixing a bad sensor (or upgrading) on the Osprey sensor array. ~~But this will only work for WS-2000 consoles (and GW1000) but not for the WS-2902A console.~~ EDIT - The WS-2902A can use the WS-5000 sensors.

Of course upgrade all sensors on the WS-2000 console to these separates and you've got yourself a WS-5000.

Shame that Ambient isn't carrying the WS68 wind sensor as I think I would prefer that.

Ken7 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2020, 06:59:52 AM »

Anyone have any insight as to when the full WS-5000 kit will be available? I’m sure the virus is having an impact, but perhaps someone has some info on this.

galfert · « **Reply #11 on:** April 09, 2020, 09:16:53 PM »

I'm hearing end of May. But we'll see.

Platokidd · « **Reply #12 on:** May 11, 2020, 10:15:48 PM »

Ambient advertising the WS-5000 sensors will work on the ws-2902a. I have both consoles (ws-2000 and ws-2902a) and want to make sure the rain gauge works with both consoles. It looks like you may have to update your post..

https://www.ambientweather.com/amwewsrepa7.html

Quote from: galfert on February 17, 2020, 08:42:53 AM

The WS-5000 now has a parts category on Ambient's site. Currently only the bird spikes are listed. I'm sure in time we will see the individual components listed.

https://www.ambientweather.com/amwewsrepa7.html

I know that there are people that are interested in the separate rain gauge. This will be a part that WS-2000 stations can use as the separate WH40 rain gauge will override the all-in-one Osprey sensor while letting you still use the Osprey sensor array for its other sensors. Or the other way around, where you add just the WS80 wind sensor and keep using the Osprey for its other sensors. Same with the outdoor temperature/humidity sensor. Basically you can mix and match and have a hybrid system. Just another approach to fixing a bad sensor (or upgrading) on the Osprey sensor array. But this will only work for WS-2000 consoles (and GW1000) but not for the WS-2902A console.

Of course upgrade all sensors on the WS-2000 console to these separates and you've got yourself a WS-5000.

Shame that Ambient isn't carrying the WS68 wind sensor as I think I would prefer that.

galfert · « **Reply #13 on:** May 11, 2020, 10:30:30 PM »

Thank you for the wonderful news! I have edited my post above. I will also update the hardware compatibility matrix.

Platokidd · « **Reply #14 on:** May 19, 2020, 09:47:18 PM »

Quote from: galfert on May 11, 2020, 10:30:30 PM

Thank you for the wonderful news! I have edited my post above. I will also update the hardware compatibility matrix.

Don't see how to quote multiple post, thus I will just quote this one.

Received the WS-5000 rain gauge and had the first test with rain. However the new rain gauge showed no rain with clear shot to the sky.. My ws-2902a showed .04 of rain. Other pws in my are all showed rain of some amount. Pour a little water in the new gauge to check and it registered .02.

Note: it did not connect to the WS-2902a as advertised. I emailed Ed asking for his input.

The rain gauge connected to my WS-2000 automatically.

Not sure what to make of the above, but I am a little disappointed.

galfert · « **Reply #15 on:** October 10, 2020, 10:54:35 AM »

Quote from: dhonzik on October 10, 2020, 10:01:50 AM

Quote from: galfert on January 30, 2020, 06:39:56 AM
The WS-5000 is no longer beta. But it is out of stock as you have noticed. The Ecowitt HP2553 is essentially the same as the WS-5000 with some software differences. Namely where it uploads to. See here for Ambient versus Ecowitt comparison.
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=37760.0

Ambient (most models) and Ecowitt are both manufactured by Fine Offset.

Ecowit version is $319 vs WS-500 is $299.....how do u figure that is cheaper?

I never said that the Ecowitt version was cheaper than the Ambient version. kd7eir did say that the GW1003 is a cheaper option if you don't need the display. Besides prices change and a lot can happen in 10 months.

This decision of HP2553 vs WS-5000 is a bit mute anyway since if you live in the US you can't order the HP2553 as Ambient has exclusive in the US to the ultrasonic anemometer.

dhonzik · « **Reply #16 on:** October 13, 2020, 09:33:33 PM »

Talked with Ambient Weather and they told me that WS-5000 will be available at the end of October. Happy Halloween!!

Tangmu · « **Reply #17 on:** October 16, 2020, 11:48:51 PM »

I want to get one of these to replace my WS-1001. Would I be able to use the WS-1001 display as a second display for the WS-5000?

Mandrake · « **Reply #18 on:** October 17, 2020, 07:25:18 AM »

Ummm, I don't think this will work as the WS1001 will not see/receive the newer WS80 and WH40 external sensors.
You can repurpose with a WS2000/HP2551 as the WH65 can be understood by the WS1001 and with calibration it can display sensible data.
I might be wrong of course but given the age of the older console its firmware will not be updated to make sense of the newer sensors.

Rover1822 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 17, 2020, 07:34:33 AM »

The WS-5000 and the WH40E are listed as "In Stock" now on the Ambient Weather site (https://www.ambientweather.com/amws5000.html)

dhonzik · « **Reply #20 on:** October 17, 2020, 08:53:08 AM »

I know.......just placed my order.

ullises · « **Reply #21 on:** October 26, 2020, 02:48:24 PM »

Hi guys , please help...i must know the dimensions of the box of ws5000 and the weight !
I must know this before i order it to Romania...
Many thanks !

olicat · « **Reply #22 on:** October 26, 2020, 03:05:25 PM »

Hi!

Are you really allowed to use 915MHz devices in Romania?

Oliver

ullises · « **Reply #23 on:** October 26, 2020, 03:21:45 PM »

Quote from: olicat on October 26, 2020, 03:05:25 PM

Hi!

Are you really allowed to use 915MHz devices in Romania?

Oliver

never wondered...i had different weather stations , now i use Davis6152 cabled....i''m not aware of any law forbidding the use of 915MHz....

KC5JIM · « **Reply #24 on:** October 26, 2020, 04:27:12 PM »

915MHz is only for ITU Region 2, Romania is in ITU Region 1 so you would need 433MHz equipment.

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