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GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« on: December 15, 2020, 07:29:11 PM »
I have the GW1003 in Canada, and I am trying to get the heater working.

I am trying to find the cord that has the USB, since the official adapter is output 5V 2A as well, and I have USB power nearby but no AC power.

Anyone have suggestion? what's the name of the power port? what's the polarity and how can I get one in Canada?

the official one is quite expensive and shipping to canada is even more...

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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2020, 03:15:50 PM »
Just some piece of information to share and to consider - I guess you are talking about the WS80.
(see sensor matrix at https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730.0 if you are not familiar with this name - it's the 6-in-1 sensor array with the ultrasonic anemometer).

I also thought that the price was rather high and suggested to Ecowitt I use my own USB cable and power supply.
They then told me that, even though one end of the provided cable is a common USB 2.0 plug from the outside look,
the wiring inside was different from a common USB cable...

Unless you are good in measuring and soldering and can figure out which wire to connect how, you might still want to go for their cable.
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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2020, 06:10:58 PM »
According to the pics the connection is a keyslot 2pin DIN ?
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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2020, 06:58:22 PM »
According to the pics the connection is a keyslot 2pin DIN ?
You can tell the internal wiring from those pics ....  :shock: - wow !
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That's the standard wiring, but Ecowitt claim that their wiring is (howsoever) different.
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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2020, 08:24:15 PM »
I repeat - the pictures shown for the heater supply are NOT USB.

They are (two different sizes of) these connectors.

I suspect this is the correct size for the anemometer end.
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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2020, 09:06:41 PM »
Ah yes, I am talking about the WS80, thanks for the info

I think it's only + and - on the unit
so there is no such thing about standard usb or not, it's 5V

It's hard to buy anything in Canada, gonna check out local stores to find the connector and make my own cable

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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2020, 01:07:05 AM »
First apologies to Gyvate, the beteljuice had, had a very bad day and left his brain in a taxi somewhere  :oops:

Of course the post was talking about a USB power supply unit  #-o

So ... USB cable Red / Black (sometimes Blue) = Power
White / Green = Data (Which he won't be using)

Be careful getting the other connector - some of the 'Ads' describe by the size of the captive nut (M12 / M15), some by the pin size, some don't tell you !

If you have some old garden LED / Solar panel, see if the socket fits - if it does you've got something to measure ...
... or re-purpose  ;)
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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2020, 01:25:38 AM »
According to the manual, the original intention is that the heater is powered by USB cable with USB adapter.

I guess they changed the design to offer a fully waterproof solution with a super premium price.


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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2020, 09:16:38 AM »
I suspect this is the correct size for the anemometer end.
Are you sure this is the right connector? I measured mine with a caliper many months ago and thought it was a GX12-02 connector. The problem is the same though, nobody local stocks these types of connectors so it's hard to physically test to be sure.
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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2020, 09:50:36 AM »
Quote from: solartempest
Are you sure this is the right connector?
Nope ! - Not having either the sensor nor the power supply I'll take a rain check on that one.

Best measurement(s) to take are the distance between the pins, and if possible the metric screw thread, and if you can the diameter of the male pins (vendors seem to refer to this as the gauge)

Available pin sizes are typically 0.3mm, 0.5mm, 0.75, 1.0mm.

Clear as mud  :lol:
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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2020, 10:24:13 AM »
Based on my prior measurements of everything, except the thread pitch, I think it's a GX12-02. However don't rely on me 100% for that because my WS80 is outside and it's -5C with snow so I'm not going to re-check for a while!

Essentially, it is a USB power supply but in a weatherproof AC adapter format. The rating in Ecowitt's photo is 5VDC, 2A, 50/60Hz. If you have an outdoor weatherproof box, an suitably rated USB wall charger should work fine.
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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2020, 10:34:41 AM »
Anyone have the power adapter?

can you guys check the polarity of the plug?

Just want to make sure I got the positive/negative right

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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2020, 10:47:13 PM »
I purchased this and it works
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01LCV8DXQ/

However, the cover cannot be screw on it as the thread is different, but well, it works and I powered it with a powerbank with solar panel :D

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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2020, 02:56:43 AM »
How are you doing the power switching?
Presumably you have something to tell the powerbank to deliver power to the heater when its sub zero or are you heating permanently?
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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2020, 04:42:32 AM »
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However, the cover cannot be screw on it as the thread is different,
The main ad says 15mm, but the spec drawing shows M12 !

So is the nut too small or too large ... and what are the sizes ? (To assist others what to look for)
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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2020, 09:56:50 AM »
The main ad says 15mm, but the spec drawing shows M12!
The thread diameter is M12, I just don't know the thread pitch but it looks to be quite fine. If I remember correctly, the pin diameter is 1.2mm. There is a small key on the bottom to prevent the pins from being reversed but most connectors come with that standard.

Unfortunately, I dug around but cannot find my photos of the connector and measurements as proof. Since my WS80 is outdoors for the winter and I added extra weather sealing on connector so the little end cap doesn't fall off, I'm not planning on removing that and re-measuring with calipers until the spring.
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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2020, 05:58:39 PM »
According to the manual, the original intention is that the heater is powered by USB cable with USB adapter.

I guess they changed the design to offer a fully waterproof solution with a super premium price.

I just purchased the HP2553 station that includes the WS80 and I kinda wish I had stumbled across this thread beforehand; checking Ecowitt's site, I see the power supply is $41 USD  :shock: I guess I didn't pay close enough attention; was under the impression that any 5V 2A USB adapter would power it. May have to do some jimmy-riggin'

How are you doing the power switching?
Presumably you have something to tell the powerbank to deliver power to the heater when its sub zero or are you heating permanently?

I just took a look in the user manual and I saw this quote:

"There’s a built-in thermostat inside the anemometer sensor to control the power supply for the heat plate, which will automatically turn on below 0°C (30°F) and automatically turn off above 10°C (50°F)."

Is this true? I thought this was something they were considering adding but had not read anywhere they actually did. Would be sweet if true.

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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2020, 06:24:59 PM »
Hi!

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"There’s a built-in thermostat inside the anemometer sensor to control the power supply for the heat plate, which will automatically turn on below 0°C (30°F) and automatically turn off above 10°C (50°F)."
Where exactly did you find this?
It would really be nice but in the WS80-doc there's still said:
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There’s a built-in heat plate in the 6-in-1 sensor package body, if the lowest temperature at your place is below -3°C, or 26.6°F, and the weather is mostly snowy or rainy, then you may need to activate the heater by supplying an external 5V/1A power to the sensor heating element for melting accumulated snow or ice, which can influence wind measurement accuracy significantly.
Ah!
I finally found this in the HP2553-manual.
Are other WS80s now sold in this bundle (newer hardware revision) or is the manual for the WS80 simply outdated?
I agree: I would like this behavior!

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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2020, 08:05:10 PM »

Are other WS80s now sold in this bundle (newer hardware revision) or is the manual for the WS80 simply outdated?
I agree: I would like this behavior!

Regards, Oliver

It would be nice to know. My Ecowitt stuff is on the way from Amazon and I'd like to say I'll test out the heater as soon as it arrives, but unless I can rig up a power-supply, it may be a while before I can.

I'm still weighing my options, but the official adapter from Ecowitt is too pricey and even if I wanted to spend that much, winter will be over before it would arrive from China.

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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2020, 12:27:13 PM »

Are other WS80s now sold in this bundle (newer hardware revision) or is the manual for the WS80 simply outdated?
I agree: I would like this behavior!

Regards, Oliver

I asked ECOWITT via email whether there are different hardware versions of the sensor. When I have an answer, I'll get back to you.

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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2020, 02:21:58 PM »
Hi!

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"There’s a built-in thermostat inside the anemometer sensor to control the power supply for the heat plate, which will automatically turn on below 0°C (30°F) and automatically turn off above 10°C (50°F)."
Where exactly did you find this?
It would really be nice but in the WS80-doc there's still said:
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There’s a built-in heat plate in the 6-in-1 sensor package body, if the lowest temperature at your place is below -3°C, or 26.6°F, and the weather is mostly snowy or rainy, then you may need to activate the heater by supplying an external 5V/1A power to the sensor heating element for melting accumulated snow or ice, which can influence wind measurement accuracy significantly.
Ah!
I finally found this in the HP2553-manual.
Are other WS80s now sold in this bundle (newer hardware revision) or is the manual for the WS80 simply outdated?
I agree: I would like this behavior!

Regards, Oliver
In my perception both statements are correct, not contradictory and not excluding each other.
#1 (blue) describes what happens when the heater is "switched on", i.e. connected to a power providing source and certain conditions are met.
#2 (red) describes what it the reason why you should have it connected ("switched on").
(in order to avoid that at either T <= -3°C or snow on the top of the WS80 will affect the accuracy of the measurement, you should have the heater switched on [switch on meaning have in electrically powered], either all the time or when such weather conditions are to be expected - it will then (#1) already at <= 0°C turn the heater on and keep in on until the temperature rises again above 10°C).

#2 is not very explicit regarding the behaviour of the thermostat - but still correct. It doesn't say that you have to wait until temperature drops below -3°C to switch on the heater; it means to say, let me paraphrase, if you live in a place where the temperature drops below -3°C at any time, you better use/activate the heater by connecting it to a power source. There are places where this never occurs - so the heater needs no power supply as it wouldn't be needed and the thermostat will never switch the heater on.  8-)

Maybe Ecowitt could, in a Manual update, combine both statements :-)

By the way, my missing power supply, which had been part of my WS80 order but was somehow missing, is meanwhile on its way from China. ETA first week of January 2021.
The cable from the WS80 to the power supply came but the transformer + plug was missing. Took two months.
Maybe they are even building the power supplies for Europe only on demand, like the 868 MHz sensors.  :roll:
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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2020, 07:23:11 PM »

In my perception both statements are correct, not contradictory and not excluding each other.
#1 (blue) describes what happens when the heater is "switched on", i.e. connected to a power providing source and certain conditions are met.

Nope, not contradictory but possibly incorrect. As far as I'm aware, there's no evidence thus far that the WS80's heater is thermostatically controlled.  [-o&lt; Hopefully it is.

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By the way, my missing power supply, which had been part of my WS80 order but was somehow missing, is meanwhile on its way from China. ETA first week of January 2021.
The cable from the WS80 to the power supply came but the transformer + plug was missing. Took two months.
Maybe they are even building the power supplies for Europe only on demand, like the 868 MHz sensors.  :roll:

Would be nice for that price but alas, it's a generic Rico Electronics model RKPO-UL052000C.  :-&

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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2020, 08:02:57 PM »
Interesting note on those power supplies - this may be of note if you have one from the specific time period: https://healthycanadians.gc.ca/recall-alert-rappel-avis/hc-sc/2019/68788r-eng.php
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Re: GW1003, how can i get the heater cable by USB?
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2020, 09:01:52 PM »
Interesting indeed! :shock:

Doing a Google search for that model of PSU yields no listings for sale (even from the likes of Aliexpress) and only a bunch of recall notices. Not even any listings on Rico's website. Hopefully Ecowitt isn't selling a bunch of leftover, unsafe power supplies. Regardless, I think it's safe to say they're not worth even a fraction of the asking price.

 

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