Topic: Upgrade advice WH3000SE to HP1000SE

[wardie]

I’m just about to get in the post a new HP1000SE with ultrasonic multi-sensor package and various other sensors, to replace my non-expandable WH3000SE. I have the latter set up now via the app to feed data Ecowitt.net, Wunderground and my own server (Pi with weewx). I want to just replace it with my new sensors and display, feeding the same. Wise people of the community, is there anything I need to pay attention to in particular? I’m assuming I just need to factory reset the old WH3000SE then setup the HP1000SE with same logins/settings and off we go.

[Mandrake]

Yes, that will work fine.
You can leave the WH65 (Tri-Wing sensor) up and this can be used as well if you like and can feed the old WH2900 series console (WH3000)
The HP2551 (HP1000SE) will ignore the WH65 tri-wing and use the data provided from the separates (Anemometer and rain gauge). I think you also now get a WH32 external temp sensor in that package and this will need a radiation screen. If its not included or you dont have a screen then the WH65 can supply the external temp/hygro readings for the HP2551.

[wardie]

Yes, that will work fine.
You can leave the WH65 (Tri-Wing sensor) up and this can be used as well if you like and can feed the old WH2900 series console (WH3000)
The HP2551 (HP1000SE) will ignore the WH65 tri-wing and use the data provided from the separates (Anemometer and rain gauge). I think you also now get a WH32 external temp sensor in that package and this will need a radiation screen. If its not included or you dont have a screen then the WH65 can supply the external temp/hygro readings for the HP2551.

Thanks! Out of interest how to the two main sensor packages know to ignore each other? As I thought the new display could also use the old Y sensor package??? Is there some ID/coding?
And yes it comes with separate outdoor temp sensor I can just put somewhere out of the sun presumably.
Edit: FYI I'm also getting the soil sensor, air quality sensor and lightning sensor

[Gyvate]

Thanks! Out of interest how to the two main sensor packages know to ignore each other? As I thought the new display could also use the old Y sensor package??? Is there some ID/coding?
And yes it comes with separate outdoor temp sensor I can just put somewhere out of the sun presumably.
Edit: FYI I'm also getting the soil sensor, air quality sensor and lightning sensor

The firmware of the console (GW1000 or HP2551 (=HP1000SE Pro)) will ignore the WH65 (WH3000SE tri-wing 7-in-1 sensor array) temperature/humidity  sensor when present and take the temperature/humidity values from the WS80 (6-in-1 sensor array with ultrasonic anemometer) instead.
In simple terms: WS80 sensors overwrite WH65 sensors in the console.
Similar with the separate rain gauge - WH40 - which comes with the HP1000SE Pro (in your selection) - when this is activated in the WS View app (Sensor IDs), the respective values of the WH65 will be ignored.

If you want to compare, you can still run your WH3000SE in parallel.
In Ecowitt.net (or Weathercloud.net) you just create a new device. In Weather Underground you would need a new - separate - station ID (for both in parallel). In general WU is agnostic of the device which sends data (which is different from Ecowitt/Weathercloud where you need to use the MAC address of your device in order for it to be activated on their site). WU just pick up the data they receive.

[Mandrake]

Agreed, sorry was thinking about the simple anemometer and not the WS80 which as correctly pointed out has its own external temp and humidity sensor.
So in essence the combination of the WH40 rain gauge and WS80 anemometer will replace the capabilities of the WH65 Tri-Wing.
This will happen by default in firmware in the HP2551.
If you have a GW1000 then you can choose which sensor is enabled to provide data and you could also do that on the HP2551 say should you say suddenly decide you would rather use the WH65 to gather rain data.

As pointed out the WH3000 is hard wired in firmware and will only see the WH65 Tri-Wing

[wardie]

Thanks, also apologies for my error above. It comes with the 6-in-1 ultrasonic sensor, the rain sensor and separate internal temp/humidity/pressure sensor (I said the latter was external above, its not). Just arrived from the courier. Plus the other sensors. Bit like Christmas Day morning...

[Gyvate]

Thanks, also apologies for my error above. It comes with the 6-in-1 ultrasonic sensor, the rain sensor and separate internal temp/humidity/pressure sensor (I said the latter was external above, its not). Just arrived from the courier. Plus the other sensors. Bit like Christmas Day morning...

Have fun and enjoy !!!

[wardie]

So... awesome bit of kit! Interesting behaviour though. I installed the new WS80 and WH40 but leaving my old WH65 Y-wing up... Straight away the HP2551 picked both the multi-sensor units up and started showing both, toggling between them. Took a while to figure out the setting on the HP2551 but I realised I could just disable the WH65 in the menu and hey presto everything works.

Really loving screen and configurability of the HP2551. Screenshots attached. Interestingly the icon that shows the multi-sensor strength in the top loft screen, I got two of them initially (make sense, but manual doesn’t say you can see multiple ones). It’s a bit of a pain having to use the screen & buttons interface to set up the internet services rather than the WS View app, as without touchscreen there is a lot of key presses needed to type in the IDs and passwords etc. But done once then its set up great.

However most impressive is the WS80. Wow what a device. Small package, very frequent transmitting (7s?) and the ultrasonic wind detection is way more granular (and I suspect accurate) than the old WH65 especially for gust. Just have a look at today’s data for me on wunderground IKNEBW2. Bear in mind I’d applied a max calibration up rating on the Y-wing wind speed as i thought it was under-reading. The data so far from the ultrasonic bears this out. What I did notice it loads of cobwebs on the WH65 maybe this was causing issues? Dunno. Impressive spiders, its up a 6pm vertical pole.

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[Gyvate]

Congratulations ! 

Really loving screen and configurability of the HP2551. Screenshots attached. Interestingly the icon that shows the multi-sensor strength in the top loft screen, I got two of them initially (make sense, but manual doesn’t say you can see multiple ones).

That's an interesting observation - it appears that the console shows all (how many ?) transmitting multi-sensor arrays there if they are not explicitly disabled. Nothing of it in the manual. In the manual however it shows a battery symbol - insinuating that that would be the charging status of the respective array. It's not there in mine (WH65). Wondering if this is a future (or past ?) feature or if it comes along only with certain sensor arrays or maybe the WH32 ....
 

It’s a bit of a pain having to use the screen & buttons interface to set up the internet services rather than the WS View app, as without touchscreen there is a lot of key presses needed to type in the IDs and passwords etc. But done once then its set up great.

How come ? I could easily setup Ecowitt.net in the WS View app(and if I had to do so, it would have worked with WU too, but another console of mine is posting already to WU, so I didn't do it with the HP1000SE/HP2551).

What I did notice it loads of cobwebs on the WH65 maybe this was causing issues? Dunno. Impressive spiders, its up a 6pm vertical pole.

Yep, these buggers go (almost) everywhere. Some spring-cleaning helps - or putting some anti-pest spray as the manual suggests. Not only for the rain gauge, where the impact appears obvious.

I guess the second picture from top was taken earlier before you had set up the date and latitude and longitude.
Having 400+ W/m² in the middle of the night (22:30) would have been quite a phenomenon. 

[wardie]

Congratulations ! 

Really loving screen and configurability of the HP2551. Screenshots attached. Interestingly the icon that shows the multi-sensor strength in the top loft screen, I got two of them initially (make sense, but manual doesn’t say you can see multiple ones).

That's an interesting observation - it appears that the console shows all (how many ?) transmitting multi-sensor arrays there if they are not explicitly disabled. Nothing of it in the manual. In the manual however it shows a battery symbol - insinuating that that would be the charging status of the respective array. It's not there in mine (WH65). Wondering if this is a future (or past ?) feature or if it comes along only with certain sensor arrays or maybe the WH32 ....
 

It’s a bit of a pain having to use the screen & buttons interface to set up the internet services rather than the WS View app, as without touchscreen there is a lot of key presses needed to type in the IDs and passwords etc. But done once then its set up great.

How come ? I could easily setup Ecowitt.net in the WS View app(and if I had to do so, it would have worked with WU too, but another console of mine is posting already to WU, so I didn't do it with the HP1000SE/HP2551).

What I did notice it loads of cobwebs on the WH65 maybe this was causing issues? Dunno. Impressive spiders, its up a 6pm vertical pole.

Yep, these buggers go (almost) everywhere. Some spring-cleaning helps - or putting some anti-pest spray as the manual suggests. Not only for the rain gauge, where the impact appears obvious.

I guess the second picture from top was taken earlier before you had set up the date and latitude and longitude.
Having 400+ W/m² in the middle of the night (22:30) would have been quite a phenomenon. 

HP2551 display - yes I don't know now many multi-sensor arrays it vas icons for, was a surprise to me. Also I see no battery level icon. However I did see that at Ecowitt.net you can set alerts for all the battery levels so the data must be there somewhere... (another screen maybe on console?).

WS View - it's now working fine (I just updated firmware that way). However when I went to set it up as a new device, there is no icon to pick for the HP2551 so I thought I better not risk it getting config'd wrongly.

Pictures - yes that was before I'd finished with config, good spot! I now have it all up and running with the

Spiders - we'll have to see with the WS80... the "gap" with the ultrasonic sensor looks a bit spider-prone, plus the top with solar array/LED etc is also nice and flat, and with no spinning things on top looks a bit more pigeon-prone...

Other - my old Y-Wing WH65 had a very impressive battery internally... Even though I followed the switch off procedure and took lithium AA's out, it kept on transmitting for over 9 hours! Despite me trying to discharge it with 3s reset press...

Next step - try the SD card... I did find this post - forum very helpful!
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=39540.0

[Gyvate]

HP2551 display - yes I don't know now many multi-sensor arrays it vas icons for, was a surprise to me. Also I see no battery level icon. However I did see that at Ecowitt.net you can set alerts for all the battery levels so the data must be there somewhere... (another screen maybe on console?).

I've sent an email with related questions to Ecowitt - let's see what they say. Will share the reply.

WS View - it's now working fine (I just updated firmware that way). However when I went to set it up as a new device, there is no icon to pick for the HP2551 so I thought I better not risk it getting config'd wrongly.

Yes, the HP2551/HP1000SE console doesn't have a picture in the WS View app - but that dialogue is to "pair" console and the local wireless network, and the pairing with the HP2551 console is much easier and simpler than with the other ones. (Even though, once you know the tricks, it also runs quite smoothly).

Spiders - we'll have to see with the WS80... the "gap" with the ultrasonic sensor looks a bit spider-prone, plus the top with solar array/LED etc is also nice and flat, and with no spinning things on top looks a bit more pigeon-prone...

Maybe one can fix/put the anti-bird spikes (meant for the rain gauge funnel of the WH65) also on the WS80 anemometer without impacting its function.

Next step - try the SD card... I did find this post - forum very helpful!
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=39540.0

Very helpful - George (galfert) is very knowledgeable. 
And in general, this is a rather high quality forum with a host of useful information.

[Mandrake]

I have had a WS80 in use since last summer (mine was one of the very first and differs slightly from final production) and I have not had a single spider problem.
My WS65 right next to is festooned with webs and I regularly evict spiders from the rain gauge but the ws80 stays spider free.
I can only assume they don't like the ultrasonic effect.
Nothing scientific mind, just my observation!

[Gyvate]

HP2551 display - yes I don't know now many multi-sensor arrays it has icons for, was a surprise to me. Also I see no battery level icon. However I did see that at Ecowitt.net you can set alerts for all the battery levels so the data must be there somewhere... (another screen maybe on console?).

I've sent an email with related questions to Ecowitt - let's see what they say. Will share the reply.

1. the battery symbol only shows automatically when the battery is low  - no wonder almost no one sees it for the arrays
(source: Ecowitt)
2. regarding the RF signal - see my post https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40502.0