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new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« on: April 15, 2024, 08:48:22 AM »
Hi!

For the WS90 is a new firmware available: v1.2.8

Changelog WS80 Firmware V1.2.8 Upgrade 2024-04-15

1.Optimize wind speed measurement. To ensure accuracy with the upgrade, a recalibration tozero is required for it to take effect.

You may find these files also on the Ecowitt product page for the WS80.

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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2024, 10:35:24 PM »
Hi!

For the WS90 is a new firmware available: v1.2.8

Changelog WS80 Firmware V1.2.8 Upgrade 2024-04-15

1.Optimize wind speed measurement. To ensure accuracy with the upgrade, a recalibration tozero is required for it to take effect.

You may find these files also on the Ecowitt product page for the WS80.

Oliver

 To ensure accuracy with the upgrade, a recalibration to zero is required for it to take effect.

Does the upgrade automatically do the recalibration to zero? If not, how to perform this task.

Update:Read the manual for the ws80 and didn't see this addressed. The manual also states the calibration button is for factory use only. Seen the other thread on updating the ws90. Guessing this would be the same for the ws80.
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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2024, 12:49:26 AM »
read this thread

https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=46133.0
 
I have not calibrated my WS80 as I'm happy with the baseline I have .
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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2024, 05:24:16 AM »
Does the upgrade automatically do the recalibration to zero? If not, how to perform this task.

Update:Read the manual for the ws80 and didn't see this addressed. The manual also states the calibration button is for factory use only. Seen the other thread on updating the ws90. Guessing this would be the same for the ws80.
1. the calibration (establish zero baseline) has to be done manually by pressing/holding the CAL button for >10 seconds in an air movement free place (e.g. big(ger) card board box inhouse
2. the factory use comment for the CAL button has become obsolete ever since array firmware upgrades became available.
In a way a sensor array firmware upgrade is still a "factory use"  8-)
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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2024, 08:27:45 AM »
Upgraded the ws80 to v1.2.8. Calibrated the ws80 in open space in my office without any air movement. Use my Hp2560 and ws2000 live view to confirm.

Can't say I notice any difference in the wind readings as of yet.

Be interesting to know more details of what was done to "Optimize wind speed measurement".

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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2024, 09:12:06 AM »
Be interesting to know more details of what was done to "Optimize wind speed measurement".
for me would be more interesting to know, what was improved  8-)
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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2024, 11:01:37 AM »
Be interesting to know more details of what was done to "Optimize wind speed measurement".
for me would be more interesting to know, what was improved  8-)

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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2024, 11:31:27 PM »
anyone noticed any improvement with the latest firmware ?
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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2024, 09:40:16 AM »
1.Modbus version of piezoelectric full-speed signal collection improvement;
2.Recognize the polarity of the ultrasonic probe;
3.Power-on adjustment of 4 drive square waves, solving the issue of the first RF data wind speed not resetting to zero.
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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2024, 09:51:19 AM »
1.Modbus version of piezoelectric full-speed signal collection improvement;
2.Recognize the polarity of the ultrasonic probe;
3.Power-on adjustment of 4 drive square waves, solving the issue of the first RF data wind speed not resetting to zero.
[tup]
but I assume that the MODBUS thing only applies to the WS90 (the wind portions of the firmware are likely to be the same for WS80 and WS90)
A WS80 has no MODBUS model.
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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 07:10:21 AM »
The update mainly improves low wind speed: it is more stable. Thus, if you have it working in high wind speed conditions, you won't notice much of the difference. At night, when the wind is calm, it might be somehow different.

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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 12:06:21 PM »
Comparison tests are already underway. The WS80 has the latest firmware. However, we see that at higher speeds there is a tendency to underperform the WS68. The Ecowitt ultrasound shows speed and direction better in the lower range by the lack of inertia. The anemometers are located on high masts, the instruments do not interfere with each other. A colleague's WS90 Wittboy is still running on software 1.3.8. Another Polish colleague plans to compare the WS90 Wittboy anemometer on software 1.4.3 with the Hongyuv WDS2E after Lorawan to see what has been improved. Links to current data below:



Ecowitt WS68: https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=185056#
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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 01:01:21 PM »
Comparison tests are already underway. The WS80 has the latest firmware. However, we see that at higher speeds there is a tendency to underperform the WS68. The Ecowitt ultrasound shows speed and direction better in the lower range by the lack of inertia. The anemometers are located on high masts, the instruments do not interfere with each other.
I cannot confirm this observation - conditions similar - see below WS80 top / WS68 down
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and, @Arkarduisz_w, WS90 is off-top in this thread - this is a WS80 thread - but as already observed many times before, you drop some remarks regarding the WS90 wherever you post.
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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 01:19:58 PM »
Below are photos of a colleague's WS80 installation. cleaned he had the transducers after 2 years and uploaded fresh software from Ecowitt with 1.2.8. Another colleague from Poland reports to me Ecowitt ultrasound undershooting. These comparison results from this setup can be followed below.

It could be that the measurement results between WS80 units differ on the same software version, which could be due to poor repeatability and stability of the hardware.

Ecowitt WS68: https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=185056#
Ecowitt WS80: https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=72964

From our observations, it seems that the Ecowitt ultrasonic wind gauges are far from acceptable accuracy and stability even in dry conditions, and subsequent updates as we can see do not bring a breakthrough in accuracy. We consider it a waste of time.

In order to confirm this problem further and to determine whether the WS68 or WS80 on the 1.2.8 software is closer to the truth and the correct speed range, we plan to make a long-term comparison with WMO-compliant reference instruments that perform wind direction and speed measurements using the same measurement technology as the WS80. There is no other way and eyewitness observations will not dispel this for us.

https://gillinstruments.com/compare-2-axis-anemometers/windsonic-2axis/

https://tiny.pl/crj2m

In fact, it refers to the WS90 Wittboy, because the hardware layer is the same as in the WS80 and analogous 40Khz converters are used in both, hence most likely there will be no difference in accuracy between the two measuring instruments.

We Poles are interested in accurate measurements or strongly close to reality. Hence, we check Ecowitt equipment in depth, but not only, as we also check semi-professional and professional companies.

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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 02:40:41 PM »
I'm always amazed about the presentation of an enormous (pseudo?) self-confidence in these Arkadiusz_w posts:

"We Poles ..." - the self-crowned Weather King of Poland who represents all Weather enthusiasts in the Republic of Poland - and most of them even don't know this Arkardiusz. And being repetitive on this, almost every post comes with such statements, and thinking one needs to underline and make one's points stronger by such statements has no meaning. Maybe psychologically interesting ...

Advice would be to drop this melagomaniacal wording and accept that you just speak - if at all - for a handful of Polish people.
OK - your approach may be the charta of this little group of Polish Weather enthusiasts, fine, but
we (the majority) here in the forum don't (doesn't) need a White Knight who fights for his understanding of the Weather "Truth".

And, of course, if someone else has different readings, this can only be the fault of the hardware as @Arkadiusz_w or "The Poles" cannot make mistakes ...

Consumer grade weather station manufacturers neither claim nor really want to follow strictly WMO recommendations
(beyond usual marketing terms of which every child already learns to take them with a grain of salt).
Only a few want to copy WMO setups resulting in a standardized but artificial weather observation reading.
Suitable for scientific research and weather forecast but little for practical local life.
Most people want to know what their microclimate is like.

The real temperature on their balcony is more important for many than a WMO standard. If your balcony is not over grass and 2 m above ground, so what ?  Very few really care about the wind situation on their roof (unless the shingles are in danger), but if the wind blows your flower pots from the balcony reeling is important to know. Etc.

Maybe sometimes things are simply not that simple  8-)

the permanent attempt to resurrect the meanwhile dead WS80/WS90 transducer-horse doesn't make things better. But in a way these posts are also amusing and bring some different wind into our forum - which unfortunately cannot be measured by a  Hongyuv device  :lol: \:D/.
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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 03:39:31 PM »
You don't have to consider my words as an oracle. We have a closed circle of dozens of people in Poland who strive for accurate readings of their microclimate. We check meteorological equipment of different brands, in different regions of our country.

Some are firefighters in firefighting units, and for them, precise wind readings are needed to know whether interventions by firefighting units in a particular region of Poland will be needed as a result of worsening weather or heavy rainfall.

We try to make the readings from our sensors close or even analogous to reality.

You'd be surprised that these closed group of a few dozen people in Poland measure the temperature in a manner similar to the WMO, that is, 2 meters and above the surface of the grass, in an airy and sunny place. We exchange observations on the performance of radiation shields, pointing out their advantages and disadvantages. About this, too, there will soon be an interesting thread in the forum, because there is much to write about in the context of passive shielding.

I myself do not measure the temperature on the balcony and neither do my colleagues. Those who actually can't, have a temperature measurement 2-3 m above the roof, so better than at the railing and balcony, where the temperature measurement is less reliable. It gives them back the microclimate, so to speak, anyway.


Wind measurement in most cases is more than 2-3 meters above the roof and masts, so it makes no sense to measure wind speed and direction on the balcony, because we measure turbulence and distorted flow through the building. That's why the accuracy of sensors to measure wind speed and direction is so important. There's no telling how many uncensored words will go Wittboy and WS80's way when the next software version comes out, which probably won't bring a breakthrough in accuracy. There have already been quite a few questions to me about whether to upload 1.2.8 to the WS80, and I have answered that at my own risk for testing purposes. I made similar statements about the update to Wittboy, admitting that it would not bring a breakthrough in measurement quality. I once told Ecowitt what needs to be done to get closer to the accuracy stated in the product sheet, but as you can see they don't want to listen to someone who has experience with semi-professional and professional WMO-compliant equipment.

What you don't understand is that my field operations require measurement equipment that is similar/compatible with WMO, so that the physical quantities measured are similar or even analogous to those that are present at the time. That's why I look at Ecowitt ultrasound through the prism of low-accuracy products that I have thoroughly tested under many extreme conditions. Both the WS80 and WS90 Wittboy and I found them to be inferior equipment to the Davis.

These 40Khz transducers are the key to why Ecowitt has a problem and is releasing more software versions for the WS80 and derivatives for ultrasonic wind measurement. Someday they may understand this mistake, while your narrative will suddenly change. It's better than it was in the beginning when these Finne Offset products came out, but it's still far from perfect and the declarations in the product sheets. Especially with the increased airflow, which show temperature drift when measuring wind.

You laugh at Hongyuv, and all it takes is testing equipment with 200Khz transducers once, and looking at equipment like the WS80, for example, through the prism of a toy with low accuracy and slow refresh rates. Several colleagues acquired, for example, the Hongyuv WDS2 after my suggestions. They said that the return to Wittboy on the main measurement is not there. More are asking, too, because they are annoyed by the constant shortcomings of Ecowitt wind meters and the fact that they are Fine Offset testers for their money. They paid money and got an underdeveloped product and are fed up with the constant climbing of roofs and masts.

No one here is saying that you need to measure only Hongyuv wind, there are other companies like Gill, Vaisala, which are even slightly better in our opinion, but also more expensive. We also have access to such equipment at a fraction of the price from companies that equip AWOS systems and the military, among others, with meteorological instruments with the most accurate readings. Both new units and used ones at attractive pricing and software. In our opinion, whoever tries such equipment once, will not want to look at wind measurement equipment from Fine Offset, seeing how full of flaws and shortcomings it is.

If one has a limited budget and doesn't want super accurate measurements, go for the ultrasonic measuring products from Ecowitt. Myself and several of my colleagues, after the adventures with this equipment, the next copies of WS80 and derivatives will not be until the hardware layer and accuracy is improved, even at the expense of the quality of the equipment. There is good cloud and iot services, but the hardware is mostly low-end with questionable accuracy. Most of it is suitable for purely amateur measurements, maybe semi-professional, but not much.

@Gyvate I know that you cooperate with Ecowitt and you can't say anything bad about their equipment. People who cooperate, who distribute their equipment, are not objective testers. Nobody bribes me and I tell what the truth is. I don't like to live in lies and hypocrisy.

I'm not happy with equipment that shows random numbers, because I know what kind of bundle to have similar data to nearby professional stations. Equipment is the basis for good measurement, then sensor placement and data visualization. Ecowitt's iOt services are good, but the strong savings on components are then reflected in the constant attempt to refine the firmware in ultrasonic wind meters. About, among other things, poor and unstable connectivity could also be written quite a lot, because it also reports many complaints in Poland. Here Ecowitt should look in the direction of Lorawan.
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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 04:47:56 PM »
I don't want to get into controversy, I have often read this user's posts, critical but certainly well-founded
the focus of the problem is money, if you have enough money to spend buy Gill, Vaisala, Met-one etc and above all if, as has been said, the data is used in areas that involve the protection of human life, don't even dream for a moment to use an Ecowitt product for these purposes.

Ecowitt will remain faithful to its target, which is not compliance with WMO tolerances but those of a decent entry-level product, it will do its best to get the most out of this level but without distorting it, it is not its target.

May our Polish colleagues get over it, throw away their ws80s and replace them with products suited to their needs.

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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #17 on: Today at 01:08:24 AM »
The problem turns out that not everyone can spend more money on measuring sensors. Hence, for those who own the WS80 and WS90 Wittboy, I recommended buying the Ecowitt WS68, which turns out to be more stable when I tested it with a professional-grade wind gauge in the field for a longer period of time. I had a few reservations about the equipment, but it was generally closer to the truth than the WS80 and derivatives when it came to measuring wind speed.

The release of more firmware versions by Ecowitt for the WS80 and derivatives is due to, among other things, what I detected with the reference equipment and gave the information to Ecowitt with the evidence. Hence, they have been trying to fix the accuracy and stability of the Ecowitt hardware for many months. However, I doubt that with such a hardware layer, subsequent software versions will yield the expected results and it is not a waste of engineers' time and hardware resources. 40Khz transcoders are not very stable relative to 200Khz and are about 20-40 times cheaper than 200Khz transcoders used by reputable companies in the professional segment.

Personally, I think that going into ultrasonic technology was a mistake by Ecowitt, instead of focusing on improving the flaws in their rotary wind meters. It would have made sense if the hardware layer wasn't so cheap with sonic technology, it would have saved us time and wouldn't have required so many software updates, as not everyone has the time to do that and get on masts.

In some time we will check with the reference equipment what Ecowitt has improved in the WS80 and derivatives, but do not expect a breakthrough as long as such large savings on components are made. So we will most likely point out further flaws of Fine Offset in newer software versions for Ecowitt WS80 and derivatives. Perhaps someone will realize that this makes no sense, since Ecowitt doesn't even use professional ultrasonic anemometers in testing, to understand where they are making a mistake and wasting their human resources on fine-tuning a product of questionable accuracy. Not everything can be caught up with software when cheap components fail.
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Offline mauro63

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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #18 on: Today at 03:11:23 AM »
The problem turns out that not everyone can spend more money on measuring sensors

True - in fact, who cannot spend more money know that he will have to accept some compromises

40Khz transcoders are not very stable relative to 200Khz and are about 20-40 times cheaper than 200Khz transcoders used by reputable companies in the professional segment

True - you're correct, Ecowitt is not and never will be a professional company but a reputable amateur company

Personally, I think that going into ultrasonic technology was a mistake by Ecowitt

Personally I do not agree, even if inaccurate in some scenarios and, even if cheap, an ultrasonic sensor can give a good response for an amateur use, not on professional field

Sostantially, until Ecowitt do not decide to create an Ecowitt Professional brand every consideration can not be useful in this way.

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Re: new firmware for WS80: v1.2.8
« Reply #19 on: Today at 03:23:49 AM »
From our observations, we found that above 30-40 km/h the stability of readings on WS80 and derivatives can drop. Performance is not as good as the low speed range.

Besides, many previous software versions even at speeds of 1-3 km/h showed unnatural drift of wind direction and strangely unstable speed readings. I don't know if new versions of WS80 and derivatives have fixed this.

One can also perceive that a copy is unequal to a copy on the same software. It becomes more pronounced especially above 30-40 km/h on WS80 and derivatives. The WS68 behaves more stably in such scenarios and is a good value for money, although it is obviously inferior to more expensive designs like the Davis VP2 and other reputable brands.

Perhaps at Fine Offset they will understand at some point that to make progress you need to invest more in the hardware layer, even if it involves slightly higher prices. Customers will be there for that anyway, when higher accuracy product lines emerge to complement the existing portfolio in the low-end segment. There is potential in their iOt services, while the hardware layer has room for clear improvement in many aspects.
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