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Offline AdamGH

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Made our local paper .....
« on: October 01, 2008, 01:37:30 PM »
http://www.nvdaily.com/news/292753882789390.bsp


Cliff notes A student brought a gun to my daughters school threatened to shoot people with it. Turned out to be a pellet gun and the school has done nothing.


This is blowing up into a HUGE news story in the Northern VA area.....



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Re: Made our local paper .....
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2008, 01:43:38 PM »
The question is... should they string up the parents in addition to doing something with the kid?
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Re: Made our local paper .....
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2008, 04:08:25 PM »
Yes and no pilot. My second grader takes a backpack to school everyday. To be honest I don't think my wife checks the bag for anything illegal. You assume it's just homework and a couple folders.
Yes the parents are ultimately responsible but you have to ask yourself if your kid would do something like that.
Fortunately this situation turned out OK.
Well, except for Adams daughter.

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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2008, 04:33:10 PM »
With a child that age (any age for that matter), having un-supervised access to a firearm (no matter what type) IS the responsibility of the parents. He sure didn't get it out of a box of cracker jacks. It IS the parents responsibility to instill in their children that actions such as this are wrong. If they didn't, then it IS their fault and should be held accountable.

Just my 2 cents....



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Re: Made our local paper .....
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2008, 04:47:08 PM »
That was more my point, not that a parent needs to inspect a book bag every day, but that the child should have been raised to never do something like that... I'm not saying that "things" don't happen, it's more than the child just bringing a "curiosity" to school, it's that he said he was going to use it to shoot people...
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Re: Made our local paper .....
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2008, 06:06:01 PM »
It sure is a different world out there today.

Back in 1968, when the gun control act was passed, I took a 44-40 saddle carbine I owned into the Federal Building in Detroit to ask the ATF guys if I needed to register it under the new Act. Nobody thought this was out of the ordinary and the ATF took a look at the gun and said I probably didn't need to register it, but could if I wanted to.

A friend of mine in Georgia told me he and his buddies used to bring their shotguns on the school bus during hunting season so the driver could drop them off after school to hunt ducks. Nobody thought this was out of the ordinary. He and I were both raised around guns and were taught by our parents to respect them and to use them safely.

I shudder to think what would happen if either of us did these things today.

It sure is a different world out there today.

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Re: Made our local paper .....
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2008, 07:56:22 PM »
It sure is a different world out there today.

Back in 1968, when the gun control act was passed, I took a 44-40 saddle carbine I owned into the Federal Building in Detroit to ask the ATF guys if I needed to register it under the new Act. Nobody thought this was out of the ordinary and the ATF took a look at the gun and said I probably didn't need to register it, but could if I wanted to.

A friend of mine in Georgia told me he and his buddies used to bring their shotguns on the school bus during hunting season so the driver could drop them off after school to hunt ducks. Nobody thought this was out of the ordinary. He and I were both raised around guns and were taught by our parents to respect them and to use them safely.

I shudder to think what would happen if either of us did these things today.

It sure is a different world out there today.



That's the absolute truth!!! So different than days passed!
I think that media attention to these sort of things seems to make copy cat
incidents pop up after the initial incident.. they get to thinking  things like " Wow that kid made the world news with his gun !!  Maybe I can try that and get on TV"
Just my $.02 worth  but it seems fairly valid from the way I see things like that.

Back in the days  you  were talking about parents taught children things and they remembered them..mainly because a serious punishment event would follow if not!
Now days even a parent in governed back as to what you can do for punishment. Not that I'm all for beating the crap out of your kid if he starts a fight or something but I got many "whippings"
and did eventually learn right from wrong if for no other reason that being able to sit..comfortably :) And it didn't kill me(although sometimes I thought it would )

Again Just my $02 worth  :)    I'm me and I approved that message  :-)

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Re: Made our local paper .....
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2008, 08:56:51 PM »
I've carried a pocket knife since back about the third or fourth grade.  A gun on a rack in the back window of a pickup was not that uncommon neither as long as it stayed in the parking lot.  But back then in high school you could still go have a smoke on smokers patio during study hall and lunch if you were a smoker and the teachers smoked in the lounge and their offices or out there with the students if they wished.

Amazing the rise in paranoia on multiple levels in just the 25 years that has passed since then.  I'm really uncomfortable in just how far restrictions of the various sort are going with no backlash from the public on a large scale and in fact being largely accepted as being for our own good.

Frankly the thought of dieing from smoking scares me less then the thought of living in a sterile fish bowl under constant surveillance to make sure I'm not harming myself or threatening another.



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Re: Made our local paper .....
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2008, 09:22:16 PM »
I hear all that... people fear that which they know nothing or little about, and nowadays rely on the media to form their beliefs and opinions. And of course the media portray everything as bad and evil. It's amazing the whole country isn't severely depressed...

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Re: Made our local paper .....
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2008, 07:32:38 AM »
They're not because they're all on medication!  :lol:

It's amazing the whole country isn't severely depressed...



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Re: Made our local paper .....
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2008, 09:56:35 AM »
As evidenced by the contamination of our drinking water with pharmaceuticals!  :shock:
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Re: Made our local paper .....
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2008, 11:33:41 AM »
Do you remember the days that we would look out the window to see what the weather was?

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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2008, 04:35:27 PM »
Do you remember the days that we would look out the window to see what the weather was?

It would behoove our local NWS to do so--it would tighten up their forecast a bit...  ;)
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2008, 07:58:58 PM »
Wow this is blowing up bad.... The school sent home a letter saying no threat was made, it was a small toy gun, and no one was ever in harm.  Well  guess what...... the police are saying otherwise. I showed the letter to the reporter and boy he got pissed.  He and I went to the police station and showed them the letter. They went ape shit. The gun is a Daisy AirStrike 240.  It looks very very much like a real gun. And it can cause harm, it can fire a hard plastic pellet at 240 ft per sec.  The cops are baffled why the school is lying. There is going to be a whole lot of pissed off parents when they find out the truth.

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Re: Made our local paper .....
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2008, 04:32:42 PM »
Either the school is trying to cover it up or they have some bogus information.
I would have went straight to the principal and asked for an explanation.

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Re: Made our local paper .....
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2008, 01:20:07 AM »
I've carried a pocket knife since back about the third or fourth grade.  A gun on a rack in the back window of a pickup was not that uncommon neither as long as it stayed in the parking lot.  But back then in high school you could still go have a smoke on smokers patio during study hall and lunch if you were a smoker and the teachers smoked in the lounge and their offices or out there with the students if they wished.

Amazing the rise in paranoia on multiple levels in just the 25 years that has passed since then.  I'm really uncomfortable in just how far restrictions of the various sort are going with no backlash from the public on a large scale and in fact being largely accepted as being for our own good.

Frankly the thought of dieing from smoking scares me less then the thought of living in a sterile fish bowl under constant surveillance to make sure I'm not harming myself or threatening another.



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Yeah,
I remember those times also! They were beginning  to crack down on that sort of thing when I made senior high but everyone that did smoke knew where to go to not get caught.
And strangely the teachers didn't actively patrol that area :)

With all the things that are said to be bad for us it makes you wonder how anyone ever survived before know this !
I believe it's not always the item,such as tobacco, but instead all the chemicals used to treat,preserve and prepare the item!
Anythings possible but sometimes it's almost like we are our own worst enemy when it comes to things like this..

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Re: Made our local paper .....
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2008, 09:43:03 AM »