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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2011, 08:50:34 AM »
When I first moved to KY 17 years ago from NJ, we used to run to the basement each tornado warning. Now I don't even wake the family up for one. Like the boy who cried wolf over and over, the warnings have lost the severity that was intended.  While not in tornado ally here in KY, there are many, many warnings and a few small tornadoes each year. I wonder what the warning to actual tornado ration is.

I am beginning to think more and more that a another level of notification is needed. There are advisories, watches and warnings. The warning covers everything from a suspicious rotating thunderstorm to a EF5 killer tornado. Maybe there should be another level. "Advisory", "Watch", "Warning" and "Run For Your Life!" or something.



I think the problem is that a "suspicious rotating thunderstorm" can turn into an EF5 tornado in a matter of a couple minutes!
My understanding is that a "watch" means that conditions are favorable. A "warning" means that it is happening now. So a "suspicious rotating thunderstorm" that can turn into an EF5 tornado in a matter of a couple minutes is still a severe thunderstorm and should keep the thunderstorm warning. Severe thunderstorms can produce high winds that threaten life and property just the same as a small tornado. Leave the tornado warning for actual tornadoes.

This one I disagree with.
I think tornado warnings should be issued for a rotating thunderstorm.   My point is the NWS offices were issuing some tornado warnings with NO ROTATION detected.  They didn't follow their own warning protocol.   

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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2011, 10:31:06 AM »
When I first moved to KY 17 years ago from NJ, we used to run to the basement each tornado warning. Now I don't even wake the family up for one. Like the boy who cried wolf over and over, the warnings have lost the severity that was intended.  While not in tornado ally here in KY, there are many, many warnings and a few small tornadoes each year. I wonder what the warning to actual tornado ration is.

I am beginning to think more and more that a another level of notification is needed. There are advisories, watches and warnings. The warning covers everything from a suspicious rotating thunderstorm to a EF5 killer tornado. Maybe there should be another level. "Advisory", "Watch", "Warning" and "Run For Your Life!" or something.



I think the problem is that a "suspicious rotating thunderstorm" can turn into an EF5 tornado in a matter of a couple minutes!
My understanding is that a "watch" means that conditions are favorable. A "warning" means that it is happening now. So a "suspicious rotating thunderstorm" that can turn into an EF5 tornado in a matter of a couple minutes is still a severe thunderstorm and should keep the thunderstorm warning. Severe thunderstorms can produce high winds that threaten life and property just the same as a small tornado. Leave the tornado warning for actual tornadoes.

This one I disagree with.
I think tornado warnings should be issued for a rotating thunderstorm.   My point is the NWS offices were issuing some tornado warnings with NO ROTATION detected.  They didn't follow their own warning protocol.   


Yes that's what you think, the experts at your NWS WFA office disagree.  I explained earlier that the situation like you are complaining about is known to cause tornadoes in seconds without warning from radar and in fact an identical situation earlier this year caused 20+ tornadoes, many of which did damage.  A warning HAD to be issued in both cases.  There is no law that says the storm has to show rotation to for a warning to be issued, it is up to the meteorologist on duty to make that call. 

I know you and some other guy think I'm full of myself but you both need to look up transient tornadoes and study up on them.  They happen in bow echos and show NO ROTATION on a velocity scan.  It takes some special conditions for them to form and when those conditions are noted and a squall line is in place the NWS will do the right thing and issue blanket warnings. 

I may sound like a dick in this thread but at least I know what I'm talking about.
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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2011, 02:34:48 PM »
Bow_echo is basically rotating winds.  Which again is rotation.     However, there is a disagreement among meteorologist why a Bow_echo happens. (read that part on another website not listed)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_echo

Some Bow_echos there are no warnings issued at all.

Asides from the possible Bow_echos if any.
If you look at the Damage in Indiana for May 25, 2010 you would see the damage was worse in areas that had Tornado warnings with rotation then in areas that had Tornado warnings with no rotation.   Some areas didn't get damage at all.

Unless I hear bow_echo,  Tornadoes on the ground or rotation detected or I hear a roar---I will not head to shelter when a Tornado warning is issued.  I am not sure if I will head to a shelter if I here rotation detected.  I don't trust the NWS.

I never said it was a law.   I said it a warning policy that was changed in mid stream.

Of course all this is my opinion.
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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2011, 02:57:41 PM »
You're hopeless.  You're ignoring the science and dumbing down everything.  Thank God the NWS Mets issue the warnings and not you.
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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2011, 03:06:11 PM »
You're hopeless.  You're ignoring the science and dumbing down everything.  Thank God the NWS Mets issue the warnings and not you.

I can be technical.  I am just being simple for people reading.   Plus,  I really don't want to spend all day defending my point and looking up large words.

How many times do meteorologist get the weather wrong?   

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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2011, 03:39:54 PM »
I think tornado warnings should be issued for a rotating thunderstorm.   My point is the NWS offices were issuing some tornado warnings with NO ROTATION detected.  They didn't follow their own warning protocol. 

I'm curious, have you spoken with a meteorologist at your local NWS office about what their tornado warning protocols are?  I would think a radar met would be happy to field that question and also
explain why warnings are issued when there is no rotation observed.

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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2011, 08:29:14 PM »
When I first moved to KY 17 years ago from NJ, we used to run to the basement each tornado warning. Now I don't even wake the family up for one. Like the boy who cried wolf over and over, the warnings have lost the severity that was intended.  While not in tornado ally here in KY, there are many, many warnings and a few small tornadoes each year. I wonder what the warning to actual tornado ration is.

I am beginning to think more and more that a another level of notification is needed. There are advisories, watches and warnings. The warning covers everything from a suspicious rotating thunderstorm to a EF5 killer tornado. Maybe there should be another level. "Advisory", "Watch", "Warning" and "Run For Your Life!" or something.



I think the problem is that a "suspicious rotating thunderstorm" can turn into an EF5 tornado in a matter of a couple minutes!
My understanding is that a "watch" means that conditions are favorable. A "warning" means that it is happening now. So a "suspicious rotating thunderstorm" that can turn into an EF5 tornado in a matter of a couple minutes is still a severe thunderstorm and should keep the thunderstorm warning. Severe thunderstorms can produce high winds that threaten life and property just the same as a small tornado. Leave the tornado warning for actual tornadoes.

This one I disagree with.
I think tornado warnings should be issued for a rotating thunderstorm.   My point is the NWS offices were issuing some tornado warnings with NO ROTATION detected.  They didn't follow their own warning protocol.   

There was joking about interrupting Oprah for a tornado warning, but lets look at more serious side effects of a tornado warning:
  • My wife is a RN at a hospital -  a tornado warning triggers them to move all patients into the halls. Some of them it would be better not to move.
  • I am the safety manager at an automotive factory. At what point should I stop all production causing loss of $1Ks of dollars and send everyone to hide in the factory restrooms?
  • When does the Wal-Mart manager shut down everything and put everyone into the meat freezer?
  • How about a city / school bus driver?
Wikipedia defines a tornado as
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A tornado is a violent, dangerous, rotating column of air that is in contact with both the surface of the earth and a cumulonimbus cloud or, in rare cases, the base of a cumulus cloud.
So a tornado warning should have a actual active tornado.

This is not to say that there shouldn't be some type of warning. That is why I suggest something between a severe storm warning and a tornado warning. With out more clarity, the final decisions to implement the actions listed above fall on the "average Joe" who know very little about the actual risks.

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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2011, 04:55:19 PM »
When I first moved to KY 17 years ago from NJ, we used to run to the basement each tornado warning. Now I don't even wake the family up for one. Like the boy who cried wolf over and over, the warnings have lost the severity that was intended.  While not in tornado ally here in KY, there are many, many warnings and a few small tornadoes each year. I wonder what the warning to actual tornado ration is.

I am beginning to think more and more that a another level of notification is needed. There are advisories, watches and warnings. The warning covers everything from a suspicious rotating thunderstorm to a EF5 killer tornado. Maybe there should be another level. "Advisory", "Watch", "Warning" and "Run For Your Life!" or something.



I think the problem is that a "suspicious rotating thunderstorm" can turn into an EF5 tornado in a matter of a couple minutes!
My understanding is that a "watch" means that conditions are favorable. A "warning" means that it is happening now. So a "suspicious rotating thunderstorm" that can turn into an EF5 tornado in a matter of a couple minutes is still a severe thunderstorm and should keep the thunderstorm warning. Severe thunderstorms can produce high winds that threaten life and property just the same as a small tornado. Leave the tornado warning for actual tornadoes.

This one I disagree with.
I think tornado warnings should be issued for a rotating thunderstorm.   My point is the NWS offices were issuing some tornado warnings with NO ROTATION detected.  They didn't follow their own warning protocol.   

There was joking about interrupting Oprah for a tornado warning, but lets look at more serious side effects of a tornado warning:
  • My wife is a RN at a hospital -  a tornado warning triggers them to move all patients into the halls. Some of them it would be better not to move.
  • I am the safety manager at an automotive factory. At what point should I stop all production causing loss of $1Ks of dollars and send everyone to hide in the factory restrooms?
  • When does the Wal-Mart manager shut down everything and put everyone into the meat freezer?
  • How about a city / school bus driver?
Wikipedia defines a tornado as
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A tornado is a violent, dangerous, rotating column of air that is in contact with both the surface of the earth and a cumulonimbus cloud or, in rare cases, the base of a cumulus cloud.
So a tornado warning should have a actual active tornado.

This is not to say that there shouldn't be some type of warning. That is why I suggest something between a severe storm warning and a tornado warning. With out more clarity, the final decisions to implement the actions listed above fall on the "average Joe" who know very little about the actual risks.

Tell that to those people and families of those who lost their lives in Joplin in:

Wal-Mart
Home Depot
Assorted other buildings..

I will ALWAYS side on the err of caution when it comes to tornadoes.  I've seen the destructive power up close and personal.  It just does not affect people the same way unless they've been in one.
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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2011, 09:35:15 PM »
That is the point exactly. So many false alarms and people do not take the warnings seriously. As I said I am not in tornado ally, but in the 12 years here in KY and countless tornado warnings, I have never seen a tornado. And the EF0 damage doesn't look any worse than straight line wind damage. To repeat, there needs to be warnings. It is just that the warnings need to be more representative of what the actual danger is. Issuing the same warning for a suspicious rotating thunderstorm and a EF5 tornado covers too much ground. I was not in Joplin so I do not know how many (if any) thought that it is "just another warning" and didn't take is seriously. 

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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2011, 11:56:02 PM »

Bow_echo is basically rotating winds.  Which again is rotation.

That isn't true. A bow echo is predominantly associated with strong straight line winds. The wind speed is generally greatest near the middle, thus forming a bow shape. Some bow echoes develop circulation near the ends and could produce tornadoes. However, a bow echo is predominantly due to straight line winds and not rotation.

If you look at the Damage in Indiana for May 25, 2010 you would see the damage was worse in areas that had Tornado warnings with rotation then in areas that had Tornado warnings with no rotation.   Some areas didn't get damage at all.

What you're saying is: "the damage was worse in areas that had rotation than in areas that had no rotation." I think that's safe to say. The question of whether there were or weren't tornado warnings has nothing to do with cause or effect.

Unless I hear bow_echo,  Tornadoes on the ground or rotation detected or I hear a roar---I will not head to shelter when a Tornado warning is issued.  I am not sure if I will head to a shelter if I here rotation detected.

You're free to make that decision, of course.

I don't trust the NWS.

That, too, is your decision. But do you trust air traffic controllers? Or would you prefer to leave all the decisions to the pilots? I suspect pilots have a strong opinion on that.

I don't think it can be denied that death rates due to tornadoes have decreased dramatically in the past decades due to substantial improvements in radar (particularly Doppler), advances in technology and modeling, and advances in warning systems (including decision-making based on radar, mathematical/computer modeling, and meteorological research, a.k.a. those folks with a lot of book learnin' who have pieces of paper on the wall).

Another thing seems certain: a tornado warning gets peoples' attention, and that's pretty much the point. It won't stop certain people from ignoring them nor stop others from grabbing their aluminum-framed lawn chair and sitting on top of the garage to watch the show. If it were even possible to have one, a graduated tornado warning system (based on the severity of the tornado) would confuse people and actually have the opposite effect than what is proposed here by those who believe it would give people a better idea of how to respond. A "yellow tornado warning" (whatever that would mean) can quickly turn into a "red" one. The 2003 "Manchester Tornado" in South Dakota, for example, went from an F1 to an F4 in 4 miles or less.

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/fsd/?n=tor2003jun24_manchester

Link to death rates due to tornadoes since 1875.

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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2011, 06:06:23 AM »
That is the point exactly. So many false alarms and people do not take the warnings seriously. As I said I am not in tornado ally, but in the 12 years here in KY and countless tornado warnings, I have never seen a tornado. And the EF0 damage doesn't look any worse than straight line wind damage. To repeat, there needs to be warnings. It is just that the warnings need to be more representative of what the actual danger is. Issuing the same warning for a suspicious rotating thunderstorm and a EF5 tornado covers too much ground. I was not in Joplin so I do not know how many (if any) thought that it is "just another warning" and didn't take is seriously. 

As has been said, over and over again, tornado prediction is not an exact science.  Those who don't heed the warnings, however 'misrepresentative' they may be, do so AT THEIR PERIL.
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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2011, 07:44:14 AM »
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_echo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bow_echo_diagram.svg

Typical evolution of a thunderstorm radar echo (a) into a bow echo (b, c) and into a comma echo (d). Dashed line indicates axis of greatest potential for downbusts. Arrows indicate wind flow relative to the storm. Note regions of cyclonic rotation (C) and anticyclonic rotation (A); both regions, especially C, are capable of supporting tornado development in some cases.

As I said before aside from the bow echos,   The nws offices needs to follow their own warning criteria.

Oh,  you mean air traffic control that fall asleep?  :lol: (I know what you meant I am making a joke)
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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2011, 07:49:54 AM »
WeatherBeacon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_echo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bow_echo_diagram.svg

Typical evolution of a thunderstorm radar echo (a) into a bow echo (b, c) and into a comma echo (d). Dashed line indicates axis of greatest potential for downbursts. Arrows indicate wind flow relative to the storm. Note regions of cyclonic rotation (C) and anticyclonic rotation (A); both regions, especially C, are capable of supporting tornado development in some cases.

Once again, non-exact science.  Ask the victims of the Joplin tornado how non-exact it is.  I've been in a tornado.  I get a perspective people typically don't get.

But, as you've stated before, you won't do anything until you hear something about a bowecho or tornado on the ground.

Hope you have your life insurance policy updated.

Myself?  I hear a siren, I'm making preparations.  Right turning storms scare me the most.
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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2011, 08:13:59 AM »
WeatherBeacon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_echo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bow_echo_diagram.svg

Typical evolution of a thunderstorm radar echo (a) into a bow echo (b, c) and into a comma echo (d). Dashed line indicates axis of greatest potential for downbursts. Arrows indicate wind flow relative to the storm. Note regions of cyclonic rotation (C) and anticyclonic rotation (A); both regions, especially C, are capable of supporting tornado development in some cases.

Once again, non-exact science.  Ask the victims of the Joplin tornado how non-exact it is.  I've been in a tornado.  I get a perspective people typically don't get.

But, as you've stated before, you won't do anything until you hear something about a bowecho or tornado on the ground.

Hope you have your life insurance policy updated.

Myself?  I hear a siren, I'm making preparations.  Right turning storms scare me the most.

Cold air funnels  can do damage but they don't issue Tornado warnings for most of those unless it is caused or causing damage or is on the ground(Yes, I know it is a tornado when it touches down).   It is rare for them to do damage in the U.S.  

My main point for this thread I created if you want people to listen & avoid tv meteorologist contradicting your warnings,  follow your own warning protocols.  I am not saying they didn't but that they way it looks to me.
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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2011, 01:11:03 PM »
WeatherBeacon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_echo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bow_echo_diagram.svg

Typical evolution of a thunderstorm radar echo (a) into a bow echo (b, c) and into a comma echo (d). Dashed line indicates axis of greatest potential for downbursts. Arrows indicate wind flow relative to the storm. Note regions of cyclonic rotation (C) and anticyclonic rotation (A); both regions, especially C, are capable of supporting tornado development in some cases.

Once again, non-exact science.  Ask the victims of the Joplin tornado how non-exact it is.  I've been in a tornado.  I get a perspective people typically don't get.

But, as you've stated before, you won't do anything until you hear something about a bowecho or tornado on the ground.

Hope you have your life insurance policy updated.

Myself?  I hear a siren, I'm making preparations.  Right turning storms scare me the most.

Cold air funnels  can do damage but they don't issue Tornado warnings for most of those unless it is caused or causing damage or is on the ground(Yes, I know it is a tornado when it touches down).   It is rare for them to do damage in the U.S.  

My main point for this thread I created if you want people to listen & avoid tv meteorologist contradicting your warnings,  follow your own warning protocols.  I am not saying they didn't but that they way it looks to me.

They don't issue tornado warnings for them because the doppler signature doesn't show them like they do in storms that have a propensity to produce mesocyclones.  If the shear signature is there, I'd hope the NWS issues a warning.

And what are you saying here?

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I am not saying they didn't but that they way it looks to me

Either you're saying it or you're not saying it.  With flip-flopping like that you need to work inside the Beltway...wow.
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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2011, 01:30:06 PM »
WeatherBeacon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_echo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bow_echo_diagram.svg

Typical evolution of a thunderstorm radar echo (a) into a bow echo (b, c) and into a comma echo (d). Dashed line indicates axis of greatest potential for downbusts. Arrows indicate wind flow relative to the storm. Note regions of cyclonic rotation (C) and anticyclonic rotation (A); both regions, especially C, are capable of supporting tornado development in some cases.

As I said before aside from the bow echos,   The nws offices needs to follow their own warning criteria.

Yes, I saw those links the first time. I suspect the NWS explanation of bow echo is more authoritative than the wiki article. Besides, the entire wiki article mentions the word "rotation" only twice, and both occurrences are in the figure caption only.  Furthermore, the caption even says: "both regions, especially C, are capable of supporting tornado development in some cases." The words are capable and some, not likely and most or many. Throughout the entire wiki article, the emphasis is clearly on damaging straight line winds and much less on tornadoes. (I'm not going to cut-and-paste every statement in the wiki.) My point is that if tornadoes were the primary concern associated with a bow echo, one would think the wiki article would stress that.

NWS definition of a bow echo:
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A radar echo which is linear but bent outward in a bow shape. Damaging straight-line winds often occur near the "crest" or center of a bow echo. Areas of circulation also can develop at either end of a bow echo, which sometimes can lead to tornado formation - especially in the left (usually northern) end, where the circulation exhibits cyclonic rotation.

The emphasis is on "damaging straight line winds." It also says circulation can develop and sometimes can lead to tornado formation.

The AMS gives a similar definition, but again the emphasis is on "damaging straight line winds."

Finally, references to "rotation," "cyclonic," or "circulation" do not necessarily mean tornadic. A low pressure system is cyclonic. That doesn't mean every low is a tornado or produces a tornado.

Lest I be misunderstood, I agree that bow echoes can and should be taken seriously. (I get very concerned when radar shows one bearing down on us.)

Your concern is with false alarms and "The Boy Who Called Wolf" syndrome. I understand your concern. I guess I'd rather have the NWS issue a tornado warning when they believe a tornado might materialize but doesn't, than have the NWS withhold issuing a tornado warning for fear of issuing a "false alarm" and have a tornado actually materialize. As has been stated here several times, meteorology is an inexact science, as are all sciences. (That's why physicians "practice" medicine and lawyers "practice" law.) Perhaps the only way to predict a tornado with 100% certainty is to have each of us carry "Granny's weather beetle." ;)

As I said before aside from the bow echos,   The nws offices needs to follow their own warning criteria.

If you're so sure that the NWS Office in your area is not following NWS criteria for issuing alarms, have you contacted them about it? That might accomplish more than our sharing of opinions here.

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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2011, 03:10:05 PM »
WeatherBeacon.  I get concerned if I hear tv weather people talking about bow_echoes or seeing the radar with bow echoes.    I would most likely go to the shelter if I heard them issued a warnings for a bow echos.    

A little of topic question for WeatherBecon.,  I have seen the nws offices not issue warnings for bow_echoes,  why?  I am just curious,  I am not complaining.  I don't know much about bow_echoes.  


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If you ready my previous postings.  I may have goofed on a couple of postings. All my postings meant the NWS may have incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings.  That doesn't mean they did or didn't follow their warning protocols.  I don't know the protocol so I can't say for sure. If I said otherwise, that not want I meant and I am sorry.   Most of my postings include this comment "This is my opinion".

Repeating for BigOkie
To me it looked like some of the Tv weather meteorologists were contradicting the nws service Tornado warnings but I could be wrong.  I am not saying that happen but it looked that way and again this is my opinion.
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Re: Possibly incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings
« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2011, 04:22:49 PM »
WeatherBeacon.  I get concerned if I hear tv weather people talking about bow_echoes or seeing the radar with bow echoes.    I would most likely go to the shelter if I heard them issued a warnings for a bow echos.    

A little of topic question for WeatherBecon.,  I have seen the nws offices not issue warnings for bow_echoes,  why?  I am just curious,  I am not complaining.  I don't know much about bow_echoes.  


BigOkie

If you ready my previous postings.  I may have goofed on a couple of postings. All my postings meant the NWS may have incorrectly issuing Tornado Warnings.  That doesn't mean they did or didn't follow their warning protocols.  I don't know the protocol so I can't say for sure. If I said otherwise, that not want I meant and I am sorry.   Most of my postings include this comment "This is my opinion".

Repeating for BigOkie
To me it looked like some of the Tv weather meteorologists were contradicting the nws service Tornado warnings but I could be wrong.  I am not saying that happen but it looked that way and again this is my opinion.

Not all bow echos produce severe weather and therefore would not require a warning.  A storm is warned if you get 1 inch hail or greater or 59mph winds.  There is also a rain/hour component that is location specific.  To determine the wind side you rely on ground truth and at velocities, and other radar products.  The Met on duty can also make his own call to issue the warning if other circumstances arise.   

For a tornado basically to issue a warning you look for radar rotation, ground truth reports (spotters and such) or other situations where tornadoes may form.  Education through college and the NWS training modules help the on staff meteorologist make these calls, they aren't getting their info through wikipedia like the internet authorities seem to be.  Aside from the standard criteria the Met on duty can make his own determination if a warning should be issued.  Again in a situation like you've been talking about from the get go transient tornadoes are likely to form and in a matter of seconds, with absolutely no rotation signature on radar.  That is why a tornado warning was issued for that squall line.  The whole line was blanket warned because tornadoes don't only form on the book ends but can also form right behind the bow and to the flanks of the center of the bow. 
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