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Title: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: radioman61 on October 20, 2018, 09:28:30 PM
All the hype, the anticipation, the two years of beta testing...yeah I expected the Atlas to be a much better product than itís turning out to be.  The hardware seems to have some good ideas executed poorly. We have bad lightning detectors or bad fans or maybe both...nobody knows for sure. Now it seems the housing has flaws.  I have little faith the rainfall is even close.  Iíll do my own calibration if Acurite can supply a procedure but they claim theyíre calibrated when manufactured. Wrong again guys.  The Access was a turd out of the gate.  Itís clock still runs wild and thereís no fix.  The five minute update interval to My Acurite is a joke.  i just had a strong cold front blow through and while the HD display recorded a 33 mph wind gust, My Acurite shows 13 at the same time.  Itís peak wind is a 15 mph gust from 8 hours ago.  The software is simply retarded.  Whoever decided on how rainfall totals would be displayed on the HD display must have been drunk.  The future forecast changes constantly and is rarely even close to whatís actually forecast.  I really wanted to like this weather station. I had high expectations it would put them on the same level as Davis.  It had the potential to do that but falls way short.  I gave my 5 in 1 and Hub to a friend who is delighted with it.  I should have bought a WS 2000 and likely will.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: davefr on October 20, 2018, 10:42:25 PM
All the hype, the anticipation, the two years of beta testing...yeah I expected the Atlas to be a much better product than itís turning out to be.  The hardware seems to have some good ideas executed poorly. We have bad lightning detectors or bad fans or maybe both...nobody knows for sure. Now it seems the housing has flaws.  I have little faith the rainfall is even close.  Iíll do my own calibration if Acurite can supply a procedure but they claim theyíre calibrated when manufactured. Wrong again guys.  The Access was a turd out of the gate.  Itís clock still runs wild and thereís no fix.  The five minute update interval to My Acurite is a joke.  i just had a strong cold front blow through and while the HD display recorded a 33 mph wind gust, My Acurite shows 13 at the same time.  Itís peak wind is a 15 mph gust from 8 hours ago.  The software is simply retarded.  Whoever decided on how rainfall totals would be displayed on the HD display must have been drunk.  The future forecast changes constantly and is rarely even close to whatís actually forecast.  I really wanted to like this weather station. I had high expectations it would put them on the same level as Davis.  It had the potential to do that but falls way short.  I gave my 5 in 1 and Hub to a friend who is delighted with it.  I should have bought a WS 2000 and likely will.

The WS-2000 is really nice.  I have no regrets thus far.

The Osprey sensor is not quite Davis quality but you can buy 4 of them for the price of one Davis sensor refurb. Everything downstream of the sensor blows Davis out of the water. Has Davis done anything new/innovative this entire century?

It looks like Atlas is a "still born".  I hope their Elite model is better.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: CW2274 on October 20, 2018, 10:51:40 PM
All the hype, the anticipation, the two years of beta testing...yeah I expected the Atlas to be a much better product than itís turning out to be.  The hardware seems to have some good ideas executed poorly. We have bad lightning detectors or bad fans or maybe both...nobody knows for sure. Now it seems the housing has flaws.  I have little faith the rainfall is even close.  Iíll do my own calibration if Acurite can supply a procedure but they claim theyíre calibrated when manufactured. Wrong again guys.  The Access was a turd out of the gate.  Itís clock still runs wild and thereís no fix.  The five minute update interval to My Acurite is a joke.  i just had a strong cold front blow through and while the HD display recorded a 33 mph wind gust, My Acurite shows 13 at the same time.  Itís peak wind is a 15 mph gust from 8 hours ago.  The software is simply retarded.  Whoever decided on how rainfall totals would be displayed on the HD display must have been drunk.  The future forecast changes constantly and is rarely even close to whatís actually forecast.  I really wanted to like this weather station. I had high expectations it would put them on the same level as Davis.  It had the potential to do that but falls way short.  I gave my 5 in 1 and Hub to a friend who is delighted with it.  I should have bought a WS 2000 and likely will.
Everything downstream of the sensor blows Davis out of the water.
At what point does this "blowing out of the water" occur? Oh yeah, being pretty....Please...
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: Mattk on October 20, 2018, 11:39:21 PM
Well if it doesn't actually work in any consistent and constructive way then it blows nothing out of the water, sounds like all the hype had promise but was nothing more than hype.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: radioman61 on October 21, 2018, 08:16:09 AM

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Everything downstream of the sensor blows Davis out of the water.
[/quote]At what point does this "blowing out of the water" occur? Oh yeah, being pretty....Please...
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The Davis sensor suite is far superior but thatís where their edge stops.  The display for the vantage vue look like itís last refresh was done during the Clinton administration. Putting a Davis on line is prohibitively expensive.  The Atlas looks pretty but whatís the use if the data isnít reliable?
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: galfert on October 21, 2018, 08:53:53 AM
Radioman61,
When is your Atlas return period over? Are you leaning more towards a return or keep? We can't have everyone returning the Atlas. We need some people to keep it through the Winter and learn and report about how it does then.  :lol:

Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: DoctorKnow on October 21, 2018, 09:01:17 AM
Myradioman61,

Do you not connect your access to Wunderground? The data is sent instantly there from the Access every 10 secs.

Only a few are having issues with fans. I am not, and my lightning chip has never given false lightning strikes...

The rain bucket is simple to adjust. I calibrated mine very easily. It wasn't off much, and if you have any obstructions around, that can cause it to read lower.

If your forecast is off, you can calibrate the barometer also.

I have had this beta tester for over a year, and I have not had the issues that those on here are reporting. The only real issues I came across was the red light staying on after I put the lightning chip in. All I had to do was remove the batteries and reinsert. It's been fine since. Also the anemometer needed to be pushed down as it had risen above the magnet reader during shipping.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: radioman61 on October 21, 2018, 09:17:17 AM
Iím going to keep it through the winter and see what happens.  The Atlas is on a pipe extended a good distance above the roof so servicing it is a chore and once the snow begins...impossible. How did you calibrate the rain gauge?  Iím aware of the adjustment screws but have not seen a procedure specific to the Atlas yet.  I am also reporting to WU (KPACARLI8) although their iPhone app is not too impressive. The WunderStation app for the iPad is awesome and close to what I expected from the HD display. My disappointment is based in that I expected the Atlas and HD display to be a big step up from the 5 in 1 and itís been at best just a sideways move.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: worachj on October 21, 2018, 09:24:47 AM
Count me as someone whoís not having problems (except rain calibration). It is concerning so many people from this site have problems and are not happy. Hoping mine stays trouble free and last 3-5 years!

I love the touch screen HD display, except for the stupid way the rain total is displayed.  I hate, hate, hate the rolling time frames (24hr, 48hr, 72hr, 7days). Iíve actual had my rain totals decrease while it was raining because of the rolling 48hr reading.

I want to complain about the rain totals to AcuRite and get them to change and hopefully release a firmware update for the HD display. Whatís the best way to contact AcuRite? I found this suggestion link Iím going to try. Hope others will complain too.

https://support.acurite.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: DoctorKnow on October 21, 2018, 09:27:23 AM
Acurite has a battery pack to extend the battery compartment to the ground.

To calibrate the rain tippers, you open the rain bucket and there are two phillips type screw heads. Turn them a bit to raise the tipper from dropping so far when they empty. Someone said turn them left I think. It's been so long since I did mine I would have to go look at it, and I am not able to easily where I mounted it... This isn't difficult though to adjust.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: worachj on October 21, 2018, 09:32:12 AM
Rain gauge calibration (turn both screws the same amount):

•Turn screws counter-clockwise to increase rainfall.
•Turn screws clockwise to decrease rainfall.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: radioman61 on October 21, 2018, 09:33:39 AM
The 5 in 1 had a procedure that used a specific amount of water dripped in to the rain collection cup to equal a desired reading on the display.  I forget the amounts but thatís easy to find.  I would think this doesnít apply to the Atlas since the collection area and tipping spoons are different.

I also found a free app for the iPhone called PWS Weather Station that pulls your data from WU and give better results than the My Acurite app.

Acurite has a battery pack to extend the battery compartment to the ground.

To calibrate the rain tippers, you open the rain bucket and there are two phillips type screw heads. Turn them a bit to raise the tipper from dropping so far when they empty. Someone said turn them left I think. It's been so long since I did mine I would have to go look at it, and I am not able to easily where I mounted it... This isn't difficult though to adjust.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: davefr on October 21, 2018, 10:43:47 AM

Everything downstream of the sensor blows Davis out of the water.
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At what point does this "blowing out of the water" occur? Oh yeah, being pretty....Please...

OK here's why the WS-2000 "blows Davis out of the water downstream of the sensor suite":

- WS-2000 is WiFi to the router vs. Davis that requires running ethernet cable, overpriced dongles  and/or third party add ons.  These all add a significant cost over the basic Davis kit. (2-3X)
- WS-2000 has a well organized color HD display with wide viewing angle vs. Davis's primitive displays from the "Atari" era.
- WS-2000 supports PWS weather.  Davis does not.
- WS-2000 displays time direct from NIST time servers.
- WS-2000 records indoor temp/humidity from the location of your choice and supports up to 8 additional wireless sensors each customizable with email/SMS alerts.

All Ambient has to do is come out with a WS-3000 kit with an upgraded/improved Osprey sensor w/1000' range, a larger touch screen display and a few other features and they'll kill Davis in the upper end of the marketplace.



Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: MacGarage on October 21, 2018, 11:01:22 AM
If I recall correctly, the Atlas rain gauge calibration instructions are molded into the housing when you open it up.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: radioman61 on October 21, 2018, 11:09:42 AM
Davis has one thing however that sets them apart... 2.5 second update intervals.



Everything downstream of the sensor blows Davis out of the water.
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At what point does this "blowing out of the water" occur? Oh yeah, being pretty....Please...

OK here's why the WS-2000 "blows Davis out of the water downstream of the sensor suite":

- WS-2000 is WiFi to the router vs. Davis that requires running ethernet cable, overpriced dongles  and/or third party add ons.  These all add a significant cost over the basic Davis kit. (2-3X)
- WS-2000 has a well organized color HD display with wide viewing angle vs. Davis's primitive displays from the "Atari" era.
- WS-2000 supports PWS weather.  Davis does not.
- WS-2000 displays time direct from NIST time servers.
- WS-2000 records indoor temp/humidity from the location of your choice and supports up to 8 additional wireless sensors each customizable with email/SMS alerts.

All Ambient has to do is come out with a WS-3000 kit with an upgraded/improved Osprey sensor w/1000' range, a larger touch screen display and a few other features and they'll kill Davis in the upper end of the marketplace.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: Bushman on October 21, 2018, 11:20:00 AM

Everything downstream of the sensor blows Davis out of the water.
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At what point does this "blowing out of the water" occur? Oh yeah, being pretty....Please...

OK here's why the WS-2000 "blows Davis out of the water downstream of the sensor suite":

- WS-2000 is WiFi to the router vs. Davis that requires running ethernet cable, overpriced dongles  and/or third party add ons.  These all add a significant cost over the basic Davis kit. (2-3X)
- WS-2000 has a well organized color HD display with wide viewing angle vs. Davis's primitive displays from the "Atari" era.
- WS-2000 supports PWS weather.  Davis does not.
- WS-2000 displays time direct from NIST time servers.
- WS-2000 records indoor temp/humidity from the location of your choice and supports up to 8 additional wireless sensors each customizable with email/SMS alerts.

All Ambient has to do is come out with a WS-3000 kit with an upgraded/improved Osprey sensor w/1000' range, a larger touch screen display and a few other features and they'll kill Davis in the upper end of the marketplace.

From last to first... the build quality (plastics etc.) of Ambient does not hold a candle to Davis.  But getting to the rest of your points one at a time:
- Not sure where you get 2-3x for a dongle etc.  That said, the $149 WiFilogger removes the need for any cables, etc. AND posts to weather sites.  More than Ambient.  And the Meteobridge Nano ($189 IIRC?) also works on wifi and blows Ambient out of the water in terms of connectivity (incl. SQL Dbs for data storage)
- I agree Davis console is crappy but I never use mine:  I use my phone or laptop to view.
- The loggers handle NIST etc.
- My Davis handles 8 added sensors.

Not sure if Ambient will ever get to the Davis level.  You can see how well Chaney is doing with the Atlas...
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: davefr on October 21, 2018, 11:46:58 AM

Everything downstream of the sensor blows Davis out of the water.
Quote
At what point does this "blowing out of the water" occur? Oh yeah, being pretty....Please...

OK here's why the WS-2000 "blows Davis out of the water downstream of the sensor suite":

- WS-2000 is WiFi to the router vs. Davis that requires running ethernet cable, overpriced dongles  and/or third party add ons.  These all add a significant cost over the basic Davis kit. (2-3X)
- WS-2000 has a well organized color HD display with wide viewing angle vs. Davis's primitive displays from the "Atari" era.
- WS-2000 supports PWS weather.  Davis does not.
- WS-2000 displays time direct from NIST time servers.
- WS-2000 records indoor temp/humidity from the location of your choice and supports up to 8 additional wireless sensors each customizable with email/SMS alerts.

All Ambient has to do is come out with a WS-3000 kit with an upgraded/improved Osprey sensor w/1000' range, a larger touch screen display and a few other features and they'll kill Davis in the upper end of the marketplace.

From last to first... the build quality (plastics etc.) of Ambient does not hold a candle to Davis.  But getting to the rest of your points one at a time:
- Not sure where you get 2-3x for a dongle etc.  That said, the $149 WiFilogger removes the need for any cables, etc. AND posts to weather sites.  More than Ambient.  And the Meteobridge Nano ($189 IIRC?) also works on wifi and blows Ambient out of the water in terms of connectivity (incl. SQL Dbs for data storage)
- I agree Davis console is crappy but I never use mine:  I use my phone or laptop to view.
- The loggers handle NIST etc.
- My Davis handles 8 added sensors.

Not sure if Ambient will ever get to the Davis level.  You can see how well Chaney is doing with the Atlas...

I agree that everyone has different needs/priorities.

Remote monitoring local weather from a phone or laptop is great when I'm remote but when I'm at home there's no way in hell I'm going to grab a phone or laptop, logon and open an app. I want frequent and instant weather updates via a quick glance at an always on console.

A weather station without an easy to read/always on console is simply not an option.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: Bushman on October 21, 2018, 12:00:08 PM
$50 buck color HD touchscreen tablet displaying WU or better yet - my custom webpage that Meteobridge delivers..  :)  (And yes, again  - I agree the Davis consoles suck.  But I wonder how many folks would pay for an HD console?)
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: Bushman on October 21, 2018, 12:01:03 PM
Forgot to mention that is what I do with my Acurite, displaying MYAcurite on a cheap Chinese tablet.  The included B&W tablet sits in the kitchen for the temp only display.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: wase4711 on October 21, 2018, 02:01:10 PM
what I dont understand is that with all the Davis users/fans/employees/etc that must monitor websites like this, dont they realize they could shut the door on all the competitors if they came out with a modern, color console. and built in wifi/internet access?
I mean they are a hi tech company, providing hi tech products; they must know they are 20 years+ behind the times by not having those 2 things built in..

I know you can buy addons and modifications that will allow both of these things, but, at the prices Davis charges, they must realize that its a stretch for alot of folks to just buy a complete unit; when you add on the things that make it wifi/internet enabled, and, use a tablet/what ever for a color display, that total cost puts their stuff way out of reach for many many folks..

Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: Bushman on October 21, 2018, 02:21:01 PM
what I dont understand is that with all the Davis users/fans/employees/etc that must monitor websites like this, dont they realize they could shut the door on all the competitors if they came out with a modern, color console. and built in wifi/internet access?
I mean they are a hi tech company, providing hi tech products; they must know they are 20 years+ behind the times by not having those 2 things built in..

I know you can buy addons and modifications that will allow both of these things, but, at the prices Davis charges, they must realize that its a stretch for alot of folks to just buy a complete unit; when you add on the things that make it wifi/internet enabled, and, use a tablet/what ever for a color display, that total cost puts their stuff way out of reach for many many folks..

You make some very good points.  Actually, I think Davis is really not interested in the consumer (prosumer) market all that much.  See the EnviroWeather  and its precursor the 8X.  They sell  crapton of stations to SAR, VFD/FD etc.  Retail consumers are a PITA. 

And for the record, I think that when you  piece together a system (  too much work for most) it way outperforms anything else at not much more cost.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: davefr on October 21, 2018, 02:21:26 PM
$50 buck color HD touchscreen tablet displaying WU or better yet - my custom webpage that Meteobridge delivers..  :)  (And yes, again  - I agree the Davis consoles suck.  But I wonder how many folks would pay for an HD console?)

So you buy the basic Davis kit, then have to add a WeatherlinkIP or USB dongle to get to the outside world, then you add a third party WiFi adapter to get to the internet, then you buy a generic tablet and figure out how to display your favorite data from a website, and hope and pray that everything plays well together. Or you simply get the WS-2000 kit that already does all that for a fraction of the price.

If the Osprey sensor has half the life of the Davis sensor so what? A replacement sensor is a mere $53. Feedback from WS-2902 users seems to be pretty positive (ie 4.5 stars) with very few reports of Osprey sensor problems.

My only fear was the WS-2000 wireless connection reliability.  So far it's proved to be flawless.

Where's the Davis value proposition?
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: Bushman on October 21, 2018, 02:28:54 PM
You don't add the dingle AND a wifi addition - they are one and the same.  You can plug either into the back of the console or the IP.  Or you could eschew the console totally and go MB Pro.

And yeah, it costs more, but  there are lots of 10-20 yr old Davis stations still in operation.  Mine goes back to 06 IIRC and other than the stoopid(tm) Supercap issue it had ONCE is still chugging along.  I've gone through three of four lesser stations in that time (although to be fair to Chaney, my Acurite 5-1 ISS is still fine; the console has been a POS from Dyy one - but I use a cheap table displaying MyAcurite for now and then WU when Chaney's support for my irreplaceable SmartHub ends)

"Buy once - cry once" like Dad used to say.   YMMV
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: wase4711 on October 21, 2018, 02:32:12 PM
Often, the premium/top of the line products dont offer a great value proposition; people who are fans of the product like to buy the best within that product line/catagory, hence the fan base of the Davis products are strong..

And yes, Bushman, I think you are correct that retail consumers ARE a PITA, but they spend lots of $$$, are pretty easy to upsell, and I assume Davis loves to make money and profit, so who knows what their marketing/design people are planning on doing next..

I've had almost every prosumer brand/item out there over the last 20 years, so I know there are lots of folks like me who will buy/upgrade/try almost any product out there when it comes to weather stations..
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: Bushman on October 21, 2018, 03:01:03 PM
Vantage Vue with console:  $268 USD plus $149 USD for Wifi logger.  Done and done.  or $168 for the Vue ISS plus $108 for the Envoy and then your choice of (~$60 US for a clone logger and Meteobridge- approx $100 for HW and license) OR the Envoy.  So for $425 you are good to go. 

And don't forget all the add-ons that other mfgs. do not offer like Emergency Response package, viniculture etc.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: davefr on October 21, 2018, 03:10:36 PM
You don't add the dingle AND a wifi addition - they are one and the same.  You can plug either into the back of the console or the IP.  Or you could eschew the console totally and go MB Pro.


Thanks.  MB Pro looks interesting but the fine print says the wireless range from the Davis ISS drops down to only 300' (same as Acurite and Ambient).  And that $450 price tag is a bit stiff!!
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: Bushman on October 21, 2018, 03:17:51 PM
I agree - the MB Pro  has cool features, but more than I would pay.  Basic Metebridge is good:  new Nano is awesome.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: wase4711 on October 21, 2018, 03:54:09 PM
is there any way to get a solar/uv sensor aside from the davis 6162? I got spoiled with it on the acurite(even though it never was accurate) and now on my ws2000, which seems to be pretty accurate..
The uv is useful out here in the Arizona desert, and I would buy a VUE in a heartbeat, but you cant add uv to it
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: Bushman on October 21, 2018, 04:57:23 PM
Third party sensors can be integrated by SW like Weather Display
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: wase4711 on October 21, 2018, 06:26:33 PM
Third party sensors can be integrated by SW like Weather Display

thanks, never saw that b4!  =D>
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: CW2274 on October 21, 2018, 06:44:24 PM
The uv is useful out here in the Arizona desert, and I would buy a VUE in a heartbeat, but you cant add uv to it
Like I stated before, I think UV is useless here because it's always off the scale. Save the bucks and get the VP2 over the Vue, soooo much more modular/capable.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: Bushman on October 21, 2018, 06:53:28 PM
Third party sensors can be integrated by SW like Weather Display

thanks, never saw that b4!  =D>

I have some 1-wire solar sensors FS.  :)
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: radioman61 on October 21, 2018, 07:44:16 PM
Iím glad Iím not alone with my disappointment in the Atlas.  Say what you want...Davis is still the gold standard in the prosumer market.  Acurite really had the opportunity to be a player and pissed it away.  I was actually surprised at the price when the Atlas came out, expected something $50 - $100 more that would exceed the Davis.  That 2.5 second refresh rate for wind speed buys Davis an awful lot of concessions in other areas like the antique display and 25 year old connectivity options.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: wase4711 on October 21, 2018, 07:49:07 PM
The uv is useful out here in the Arizona desert, and I would buy a VUE in a heartbeat, but you cant add uv to it
Like I stated before, I think UV is useless here because it's always off the scale. Save the bucks and get the VP2 over the Vue, soooo much more modular/capable.

well, I am not sure my UV sensors are that far off; during the sunniest part of a clear day out here this time of year, I get readings of 5/6/7 on the UV scale, which seems pretty accurate, although I am not a scientist, nor do I have professionally calibrated equipment to compare my ws2000 to..
truth be told, I would prefer a VP2 pro with the uv/solar sensors on board, but, that brings me dangerously close to the 1000 mark, and if I add any sort of internet/wifi ability, which I want for sure, we are at a thousand for sure..I am trying to see if passive cooling would work for me out here, since it saves around 200 bucks, and I do get very good breezes/airflow most  of the time in our mountain valley location
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: CW2274 on October 21, 2018, 08:04:59 PM
The uv is useful out here in the Arizona desert, and I would buy a VUE in a heartbeat, but you cant add uv to it
Like I stated before, I think UV is useless here because it's always off the scale. Save the bucks and get the VP2 over the Vue, soooo much more modular/capable.

well, I am not sure my UV sensors are that far off; during the sunniest part of a clear day out here this time of year, I get readings of 5/6/7 on the UV scale, which seems pretty accurate, although I am not a scientist, nor do I have professionally calibrated equipment to compare my ws2000 to..
truth be told, I would prefer a VP2 pro with the uv/solar sensors on board, but, that brings me dangerously close to the 1000 mark, and if I add any sort of internet/wifi ability, which I want for sure, we are at a thousand for sure..I am trying to see if passive cooling would work for me out here, since it saves around 200 bucks, and I do get very good breezes/airflow most  of the time in our mountain valley location
If you thought I was dissing your WS2000 UV, I wasn't, I'm saying to me, any UV is a waste of money here. It's sunny, alot.
Forget the UV, get the FARS., it's by far more helpful here. The passive VP2 is not a particularly good performer compared to the 7714 stand alone version, which is merely the shield, nothing else. The 24hr VP2 has a fantastic shield, when aspirated.
I've only lived here 30 years, obviously your call.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: wase4711 on October 21, 2018, 08:11:10 PM
are you a fellow Phoenician?
Its all good man, I didnt think you were dissing my ws2000 UV; I guess you are right, its sunny 95% of the time here, and you dont need a UV sensor to tell  you to stay out of the sun too much!
Yeah, I think the FARS is probably needed; my ws2000 doesnt have it, and, so far, it seems pretty on point, but, it hasnt been over 92 degrees since I got this unit, so I cant speak to what it would read when its 115-120....
And, if I recall, you cant get a FARS on a Vue, you must get a VP2, correct?


Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: CW2274 on October 21, 2018, 08:19:29 PM
are you a fellow Phoenician?
And, if I recall, you cant get a FARS on a Vue, you must get a VP2, correct?
No, Tucson, and our UV is normally higher here due to our being ~1300' higher and drier air.
Aspiration is only available to the DFARS (daytime only fan) VP2, or the 24hr version which can be powered at night also via batteries should you choose.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: wase4711 on October 21, 2018, 08:28:07 PM
I'm at 1465 feet, so you are close to 3000?
Thanks for the insight; Time to change my approach and get some current pricing..
What do you recommend for the best value when it comes to wifi/internet connectivity for the VP2? My family would like to be able to view the station from their phones when out and about, and, as long as I can up to WU, that would be sufficient

thanks again for your input!
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: radioman61 on October 21, 2018, 08:39:17 PM
I'm at 1465 feet, so you are close to 3000?
Thanks for the insight; Time to change my approach and get some current pricing..
What do you recommend for the best value when it comes to wifi/internet connectivity for the VP2? My family would like to be able to view the station from their phones when out and about, and, as long as I can up to WU, that would be sufficient

thanks again for your input!

Check out the iPhone app PWS monitor. It pulls data from your WU feed at three minute intervals.  I have a neighbor with an Ambient 2902 and it displays his UV data but not mine from the Atlas. My guess would be thatís a WU glitch.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: CW2274 on October 21, 2018, 08:45:05 PM
I'm at 1465 feet, so you are close to 3000?
What do you recommend for the best value when it comes to wifi/internet connectivity for the VP2?
No. I was going by airports, PHX vs TUS. I'm at 2400' and change.
I'll leave connectivity to others much more informed than me.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: galfert on October 21, 2018, 08:50:20 PM
I'm at 1465 feet, so you are close to 3000?
Thanks for the insight; Time to change my approach and get some current pricing..
What do you recommend for the best value when it comes to wifi/internet connectivity for the VP2? My family would like to be able to view the station from their phones when out and about, and, as long as I can up to WU, that would be sufficient

thanks again for your input!

Check out the iPhone app PWS monitor. It pulls data from your WU feed at three minute intervals.  I have a neighbor with an Ambient 2902 and it displays his UV data but not mine from the Atlas. My guess would be thatís a WU glitch.

It is an Acurite glitch not WU fault. Acurite has a typo in the WU upload packet. A firmware update should easily fix it. I find it rather strange that it is taking them so long to fix it. The problem is a mislabeled variable. I don't recall exactly but it was something like currently it says UVlight= instead of UV= in the packet sent. It is a two second fix.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: radioman61 on October 21, 2018, 08:56:27 PM
I'm at 1465 feet, so you are close to 3000?
Thanks for the insight; Time to change my approach and get some current pricing..
What do you recommend for the best value when it comes to wifi/internet connectivity for the VP2? My family would like to be able to view the station from their phones when out and about, and, as long as I can up to WU, that would be sufficient

thanks again for your input!

Check out the iPhone app PWS monitor. It pulls data from your WU feed at three minute intervals.  I have a neighbor with an Ambient 2902 and it displays his UV data but not mine from the Atlas. My guess would be thatís a WU glitch.

It is an Acurite glitch not WU fault. Acurite has a typo in the WU upload packet. A firmware update should easily fix it. I find it rather strange that it is taking them so long to fix it. The problem is a mislabeled variable. I don't recall exactly but it was something like currently it says UVlight= instead of UV= in the packet sent. It is a two second fix.

Why am I not surprised?   #-o
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: galfert on October 21, 2018, 09:15:41 PM
Wase4711,
I invested in the Meteobridge because it is a nice all in one solution for uploading to everywhere, seemingly right out of the box experience. It works perfectly with my Ambient station hardware. I'm waiting for a Davis VP3 (I almost got the VP2). My thinking is that the Meteobridge will be something I can continue to use with a new Davis station. So the Meteobridge is a good investment. Yes I'll need a USB or IP logger if I were to get a VP2. But maybe a VP3 might have a built in logger and the Meteobridge might interface directly. Either way I can't imagine that Boris wouldn't update it to work with whatever Davis comes out with next.

The Meteobridge elegantly allows me to publish everywhere online, including your own website, supports various popular web templates, your own SQL database, FTP database, and even a web cam. The Meteobridge connects via Ethernet or WiFi. It has a nice web interface. It is often updated with fixes an new features.

I don't expect any weather station manufacturers to ever come out with a station hardware/software solution that let's you send your data everywhere. For that you will need to rely on separate software. As long as the hardware provides direct access to the data. Ambient and Davis two popular companies today that allow direct access to the data. There are some other manufacturers that also alow direct access to the data like some older Acurite, Peet Bros, Oregon Scientific, older LaCrosse... and others.

But the Meteobridge software isn't the only elegant solution. You can also run Weather Display or WeeWx software on a Raspberry Pi. Or you can run other software like Cumulus or WUHU and a few others. The point is that there isn't one best way. Every solution has pros and cons. They are all great and have something different in the experience to offer. And best of all there are ways to do more than one of these solutions at the same time.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: nincehelser on October 21, 2018, 09:17:59 PM
I'm at 1465 feet, so you are close to 3000?
Thanks for the insight; Time to change my approach and get some current pricing..
What do you recommend for the best value when it comes to wifi/internet connectivity for the VP2? My family would like to be able to view the station from their phones when out and about, and, as long as I can up to WU, that would be sufficient

thanks again for your input!

Check out the iPhone app PWS monitor. It pulls data from your WU feed at three minute intervals.  I have a neighbor with an Ambient 2902 and it displays his UV data but not mine from the Atlas. My guess would be thatís a WU glitch.

It is an Acurite glitch not WU fault. Acurite has a typo in the WU upload packet. A firmware update should easily fix it. I find it rather strange that it is taking them so long to fix it. The problem is a mislabeled variable. I don't recall exactly but it was something like currently it says UVlight= instead of UV= in the packet sent. It is a two second fix.

Why am I not surprised?   #-o

It's more than a 2-second fix.  There are other issues that wunderground and Acurite need to iron out.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: wase4711 on October 21, 2018, 09:19:36 PM
I'm at 1465 feet, so you are close to 3000?
Thanks for the insight; Time to change my approach and get some current pricing..
What do you recommend for the best value when it comes to wifi/internet connectivity for the VP2? My family would like to be able to view the station from their phones when out and about, and, as long as I can up to WU, that would be sufficient

thanks again for your input!

Check out the iPhone app PWS monitor. It pulls data from your WU feed at three minute intervals.  I have a neighbor with an Ambient 2902 and it displays his UV data but not mine from the Atlas. My guess would be thatís a WU glitch.
I've got it on my Android phone; the free version so I dont get uv and other stuff..I like their windows desktop version alot..
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: wase4711 on October 21, 2018, 09:24:46 PM
Wase4711,
I invested in the Meteobridge because it is a nice all in one solution for uploading to everywhere, seemingly right out of the box experience. It works perfectly with my Ambient station hardware. I'm waiting for a Davis VP3 (I almost got the VP2). My thinking is that the Meteobridge will be something I can continue to use with a new Davis station. So the Meteobridge is a good investment. Yes I'll need a USB or IP logger if I were to get a VP2. But maybe a VP3 might have a built in logger and the Meteobridge might interface directly. Either way I can't imagine that Boris wouldn't update it to work with whatever Davis comes out with next.

The Meteobridge elegantly allows me to publish everywhere online, including your own website, supports various popular web templates, your own SQL database, FTP database, and even a web cam. The Meteobridge connects via Ethernet or WiFi. It has a nice web interface. It is often updated with fixes an new features.

I don't expect any weather station manufacturers to ever come out with a station hardware/software solution that let's you send your data everywhere. For that you will need to rely on separate software. As long as the hardware provides direct access to the data. Ambient and Davis two popular companies today that allow direct access to the data. There are some other manufacturers that also alow direct access to the data like older Acurite station, Peet Bros, Oregon Scientific, older LaCrosse... and others.

But the Meteobridge software isn't the only elegant solution. You can also run Weather Display or WeeWx software on a Raspberry Pi. Or you can run other software like Cumulus or WUHU and a few others. The point is that there isn't one best way. Every solution has pros and cons. They are all great and have something different in the experience to offer. And best of all there are ways to do more than one of these solutions at the same time.

Good advice...
I'm all for investing in something that hopefully works for more than one device, and stays current for at least a few years..
and, frankly, I dont care that much about being able to upload my info to dozens of locations; as long as it goes to sites that my family can access, I am ok with it..
I'll check out the Meteobridge software..
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: radioman61 on October 21, 2018, 09:25:02 PM
I'm at 1465 feet, so you are close to 3000?
Thanks for the insight; Time to change my approach and get some current pricing..
What do you recommend for the best value when it comes to wifi/internet connectivity for the VP2? My family would like to be able to view the station from their phones when out and about, and, as long as I can up to WU, that would be sufficient

thanks again for your input!

Check out the iPhone app PWS monitor. It pulls data from your WU feed at three minute intervals.  I have a neighbor with an Ambient 2902 and it displays his UV data but not mine from the Atlas. My guess would be thatís a WU glitch.
I've got it on my Android phone; the free version so I dont get uv and other stuff..I like their windows desktop version alot..

WunderStation on the iPad is great!  Wish they had a version for the iPhone. I have zero experience with the android platform but being open source, Iíd think anythingís possible
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: wase4711 on October 21, 2018, 09:30:11 PM
ive heard that wunderstation is great on the ipad; my son has a imac, but no ipads in this house to try it on..
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: WXman on October 23, 2018, 08:52:11 AM
All the hype, the anticipation, the two years of beta testing...yeah I expected the Atlas to be a much better product than itís turning out to be.  The hardware seems to have some good ideas executed poorly. We have bad lightning detectors or bad fans or maybe both...nobody knows for sure. Now it seems the housing has flaws.  I have little faith the rainfall is even close.  Iíll do my own calibration if Acurite can supply a procedure but they claim theyíre calibrated when manufactured. Wrong again guys.  The Access was a turd out of the gate.  Itís clock still runs wild and thereís no fix.  The five minute update interval to My Acurite is a joke.  i just had a strong cold front blow through and while the HD display recorded a 33 mph wind gust, My Acurite shows 13 at the same time.  Itís peak wind is a 15 mph gust from 8 hours ago.  The software is simply retarded.  Whoever decided on how rainfall totals would be displayed on the HD display must have been drunk.  The future forecast changes constantly and is rarely even close to whatís actually forecast.  I really wanted to like this weather station. I had high expectations it would put them on the same level as Davis.  It had the potential to do that but falls way short.  I gave my 5 in 1 and Hub to a friend who is delighted with it.  I should have bought a WS 2000 and likely will.

That's the impression I'm getting too.  But in another thread people kind of fussed at me for making the accusation. 

If you read in the Ambient forums (and many others also) you'll see lots of members who had poor luck with the Acurite stations and switched to other brands.

I, too, was expecting the Atlas to be awesome considering the price tag, but from a pure accuracy, reliability, and longevity standpoint the Davis Vue is still blowing it out of the water for similar money.

Since I have a VP2, I'm now looking at maybe trying an Ambient station because it'll be something new for me.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: galfert on October 23, 2018, 10:06:57 AM

Since I have a VP2, I'm now looking at maybe trying an Ambient station because it'll be something new for me.

Are you planning on running a VP2 and an Ambient station at the same location just for fun? Or are you looking to put the Ambient station at a secondary location?
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: MacGarage on October 23, 2018, 10:24:59 AM
I actually have two stations on my propertyÖa Fine Offset clone (Ecowitt) and the Atlas. The Ecowitt has been perfect and flawless for nearly three months now. It is my main reporting station since my original AcuRite 5-1 had the sunny temp issue. Plus it reports UV.

I have one more day to return my current Atlas. I unplugged the lightning detector and everything else with the Atlas is working (UV, etc.). I am torn on what to do with regards to the Atlas returnÖI need the second Access for my other sensors and I and I do like the HD display. I also do not look forward to taking everything back down and packing, shipping, etc. since I am always pressed for time.

I still have not heard back from AcuRite support yetÖand if the Atlas needs a fan to fix the issue, does that mean sending it back and waiting about a month (like I did with the Access)?
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: vreihen on October 23, 2018, 05:51:24 PM
Are you planning on running a VP2 and an Ambient station at the same location just for fun? Or are you looking to put the Ambient station at a secondary location?

One can never have too many weather stations in your backyard: ;)

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Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: galfert on October 23, 2018, 05:54:10 PM
Very nice! I see 3 different stations up on two poles.

What is up with the strange cloud formations? Is that an air show?
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: Bushman on October 23, 2018, 05:54:38 PM
ICBMs.  :)
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: vreihen on October 23, 2018, 07:58:21 PM
What is up with the strange cloud formations? Is that an air show?

USAF Thunderbirds, performing at the New York International Air Show back in September.  I believe that they were drawing a heart in that maneuver if the newspaper was correct, but I can't say for sure since I'm not willing to pay for a ticket when I get this kind of show from my back deck:

(https://images.hvtraffic.com/images/2018/09/25/20180925175426-7f4f80bf.png)

Both the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels form up into their formations for their next easterly passes right over my house whenever they perform at the airshow.....
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: CW2274 on October 23, 2018, 08:18:27 PM
BA's rule.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: CW2274 on October 23, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
What is up with the strange cloud formations? Is that an air show?
I'm not willing to pay for a ticket
You shouldn't have to drop a dime for any DOD airshow.
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: MacGarage on October 23, 2018, 08:59:40 PM
I get the free airshows as well...from Tora, Tora, Tora to the much bigger ones...(close to WPAFB).

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Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: Jstx on October 23, 2018, 10:06:04 PM
What is up with the strange cloud formations? Is that an air show?

USAF Thunderbirds, performing at the New York International Air Show back in September.  I believe that they were drawing a heart in that maneuver if the newspaper was correct, but I can't say for sure since I'm not willing to pay for a ticket when I get this kind of show from my back deck:


Both the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels form up into their formations for their next easterly passes right over my house whenever they perform at the airshow.....

I spent much of my life a few blocks from the Confederate Air Force HQ (now renamed, expanded, and moved to other airports).
We would see not only the BA's and T'birds, but all those older warbirds zooming over the house at 500-2000 ft on final, absolutely awesome.
Plus they would practice all the week before AirSho weekend (not good if working deep nights, urg...). Still bought tickets for the family, wanted my kids to get the 'closeup' experience (we would anyway as some acquaintances were top CAF brass).
You ain't lived until Fifi (one of a two still flying B-29's) or a wing of B-17's shakes the leaves off of your big ol' Bo tree and you count the bomb bay rivets. Man, that was forty, almost fifty years ago, and Fifi is still flying (been in it and many of the others).
HRL was a big WWII AAF training base (nav, gunnery, A&P mostly), with several outlying aux fields. When you taxied out, the taxiways still had the faint WWII aircraft 'type' parking assignment markings along them. All changed now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commemorative_Air_Force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commemorative_Air_Force)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-29_Superfortress#Surviving_aircraft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-29_Superfortress#Surviving_aircraft)
Title: Re: Acurite is blowing it
Post by: WXman on October 24, 2018, 09:24:09 AM

Since I have a VP2, I'm now looking at maybe trying an Ambient station because it'll be something new for me.

Are you planning on running a VP2 and an Ambient station at the same location just for fun? Or are you looking to put the Ambient station at a secondary location?

Yes, the secondary station will be mounted in another location on my property, still somewhat close to my house so I don't have to use repeaters to get the signal to the console.  I'm going to put this second one online too.

I thought about just buying a second VP2 console, but for that kind of money I realized I could nearly buy a complete Ambient or Acurite system and do more with it.