Topic: WS90?

[Mandrake]

Just seen this pop up...
I believe that its referenced in the GW1100 firmware
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Not certain how real this is though...
Rumour has it thats a haptic rain sensor!
I will leave it to others to decide if its real or not! (EDIT: Apologies just seen the post in the GW1100 Firmware subject....obviously real!)
My communications with Ecowitt have dropped a lot since Lucy left, am hoping they might respond with some news soon!

[Rover1822]

I'm guessing the unit will not be on the cheap side. I'm also hoping for those that may want one in the US, that there is not a lockout on the US market because of Ambient agreements

However, I probably would have preferred a separate rain sensor

[fkapp]

Interesting and not trying to be negative but wonder how the temp accuracy will be if need to be up at anemometer level.

[mcrossley]

And I've yet to hear of a haptic rain sensor that is remotely accurate. 

[mauro63]

I'm guessing the unit will not be on the cheap side. I'm also hoping for those that may want one in the US, that there is not a lockout on the US market because of Ambient agreements

However, I probably would have preferred a separate rain sensor

Just seen this pop up...
I believe that its referenced in the GW1100 firmware
 [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Not certain how real this is though...
Rumour has it thats a haptic rain sensor!
I will leave it to others to decide if its real or not! (EDIT: Apologies just seen the post in the GW1100 Firmware subject....obviously real!)
My communications with Ecowitt have dropped a lot since Lucy left, am hoping they might respond with some news soon!
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Just seen this pop up...
I believe that its referenced in the GW1100 firmware
 [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Not certain how real this is though...
Rumour has it thats a haptic rain sensor!
I will leave it to others to decide if its real or not! (EDIT: Apologies just seen the post in the GW1100 Firmware subject....obviously real!)
My communications with Ecowitt have dropped a lot since Lucy left, am hoping they might respond with some news soon!

Yes, it is real

I've technical info but I cannot still share it

Mauro

[giusCB]

I'm sure ecowitt has worked a long to make the system as accurate as possible...

[Gyvate]

Design-wise it looks very much like a WeatherFlow Tempest station (so far only sold to Europe on a special invitation basic) which has a haptic rain sensor - which also had to fight a lot getting accurate and to eliminate interfering factors (sound waves, vibrations etc.) and now claims having reached a reasonable accuracy and eliminated false positives (still to be proved imho).

[giusCB]

From meteonetwork italy
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[giusCB]

souce mnw it.
some important features: the TH sensor can be replaced, the plastic of the solar shield has made of better quality than the older versions, the haptic rain gauge, compared to that weatherflow one, has 3 sensors for operation and promises excellent performance

[Gyvate]

I guess that "mnw it" is supposed to mean meteonetwork.it 
And the link is https://forum.meteonetwork.it/stazioni-meteorologiche-ecowitt-fine-offset/171552-nuova-stazione-aio-ecowitt-ws90.html

[giusCB]

Yes confirm

[zoomx]

And I've yet to hear of a haptic rain sensor that is remotely accurate. 

Vaisala?

[giusCB]

And I've yet to hear of a haptic rain sensor that is remotely accurate. 

Vaisala?

Is accurate?

[olicat]

Hi!

There's something official for the WS90 now.
And there're some better pictures and some technical stuff.

GW2001
WITTBOY

Oliver

[Gyvate]

Hi!

There's something official for the WS90 now.
And there're some better pictures and some technical stuff.

GW2001
WITTBOY

Oliver

Where do you read from that it is a GW2001 ? Just from the URL ?
Maybe GW2001 is the product name  for the Wittboy station: WS90 + GW2000, just like GW1101, GW1102 etc (earlier GW1001, GW1002 ...)
As far as I understand Wittboy will be a WS90 + a GW200x even though the WS90 will probably be available as outdoor array too.

Looks like they are going to deploy the Wittboy via the U.S. crowdfunding platform kickstarter.

[olicat]

Hi!

Where do you read from that it is a GW2001 ?

Because we are currently in Abba fever, I answer like this (think of the music):

It's the name of the page ...

Have fun with the catchy tune (Ohrwurm)!


Oliver

[Mapantz]

Haptic rain sensor? Oh dear! 

The only thing they're good for, is letting you know when it starts raining. Even then, they aren't accurate.

After many years, WeatherFlow haven't even managed to make there's remotely close to a standard tipping bucket in terms of accuracy.

I don't know why these companies are following this idea? How about make a nice and improved tipping bucket-style gauge for a few extra $$?

[giusCB]

Haptic rain sensor? Oh dear! 

The only thing they're good for, is letting you know when it starts raining. Even then, they aren't accurate.

After many years, WeatherFlow haven't even managed to make there's remotely close to a standard tipping bucket in terms of accuracy.

I don't know why these companies are following this idea? How about make a nice and improved tipping bucket-style gauge for a few extra $$?

obviously ecowitt does not use the same system as weatherflow, we'll see the test ...

[mauro63]

Thanks to everyone for the interventions, it is always useful to know the opinion of the end-users!
However, I would say, as experience teaches me, to wait for the first stages of real tests, apart from the numerous and exasperating tests already conducted in a controlled environment, which have also provided very interesting results.
I can say that Ecowitt's approach is not the same as that used by other manufacturers, without naming names, and the type of technology used, albeit the same in technical terms, has a totally different approach.

So I would wait for the first field tests, which will take place through the selection of some beta testers, which I will personally select, in order to get an idea of the real potential.

A warm greeting

Mauro

[Mapantz]

Haptic is haptic.. the only difference will be software algorithms. I haven't seen a single report of someone saying that their haptic rain sensor has been as accurate as a typical rain gauge, and I have followed this for years.

They cannot stop birds from triggering rain, they cannot stop strong winds from triggering rain, they don't read rainfall anywhere near as accurate as a typical rain gauge.

The other problem, why integrate the rain gauge in to a system that also reads wind data? That means you're gonna get wrong rain data if you mount it high to get decent wind data, and you'll get crap wind data from mounting it too low, to get a better rain accuracy.

People can defend these devices all they like, but haptic rain data and ultrasonic wind data combined is utterly useless, and it has been proven time and time again. It's just another device to make them money - you're paying premium prices for hobby grade items.

[mauro63]

Hello to all,
I intervene again to provide some useful elements for the next test phase, reserved for some beta testers that I have been asked to select in Europe.

Among the main requirements, for the technical part, it is necessary that:

- exist an Ecowitt system and which is accessible through the ecowitt.net platform
- exist a Gw1000 / 1100 gateway
- exist a WH-40 rain gauge
- that the user is available to provide the direct link to the ecowitt.net site and to provide images of the installation, both of the external sensors and of the receivers
- that the user is available to provide the MAC addresses of the devices upon request if necessary
- that the user resides in an EU Member State

Priority will be given to installations that include the HP-2551 console in addition to the gateway

Apart from what is described above, there will be a further selection, I'm sorry, of which I am in charge, linked to the location, the installation characteristics, and a personal evaluation based on any previous beta testing experiences related to other products or other personal aspects

The shipment organization  and relative costs will be the charge of the beta tester

As usual, send your request, if interested, to the usual address:
supporto.it@ecowitt.com

Non-accepted requests will not necessarily be motivated and sorry for my poor English

Thanks

Mauro

[zoomx]

Haptic is haptic.. the only difference will be software algorithms. I haven't seen a single report of someone saying that their haptic rain sensor has been as accurate as a typical rain gauge, and I have followed this for years.

They cannot stop birds from triggering rain, they cannot stop strong winds from triggering rain, they don't read rainfall anywhere near as accurate as a typical rain gauge.

The other problem, why integrate the rain gauge in to a system that also reads wind data? That means you're gonna get wrong rain data if you mount it high to get decent wind data, and you'll get crap wind data from mounting it too low, to get a better rain accuracy.

People can defend these devices all they like, but haptic rain data and ultrasonic wind data combined is utterly useless, and it has been proven time and time again. It's just another device to make them money - you're paying premium prices for hobby grade items.

So this one is a piece of crap?


https://www.bellflowsystems.co.uk/it/vaisala-wxt536-compact-weather-station.html

[Mapantz]

No idea.

I still wouldn't use it. And I'd be willing to bet that a cocorahs gauge would be yield better results than the gauge on that thing.

£3000+ for that is a joke 

[wxwol]

some beta testers, which I will personally select, in order to get an idea of the real potential.

How can I become a beta tester?

My credentials are:

- I have a flexible GW1100-based system to which I can connect additional sensors and run countless tests
- Choice of outdoor locations with no obstacles around the sensors, multiple sensors can be installed side-by-side for comparison
- My location experiences more wind and rain than anywhere in Italy
- I know how computers and networks work
- Fluent written and spoken Italian

Do I qualify?

[Gyvate]

@wxwol:
I don't think you will get in official answer to your question (even though your request might be considered - but you have to use the email address Mauro gave earlier in the thread).

In Italian English written "Non-accepted requests will not necessarily be motivated  ..." means that you will not get an explanation why your request wasn't fulfilled if you apply and are not selected.