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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #100 on: October 16, 2024, 08:33:00 AM »
@mauro63 - I am watching your reports because I was interested in the shield from the Italian company for long-term comparisons with Apogee TS100 and Davis FARS24H. However, I want to know if the problem of so much overestimation when shining from the side is solved relative to the Barani Meteoshield Pro III when the wind is relatively weak. In the Polish climate, there is also the thread of snow, frosty anticyclones and low sun angle.

If I'm interested in SC, I'll take it. In the next few months, he still wants to test the Barani Meteoshield Pro III against my Apogee TS100 and Davis FARS24H. Perhaps in the future I will replace the Slovak shield with the SC, so that I will always have a comparison with the passive shield next to the aspiration shields.

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #101 on: October 16, 2024, 03:54:19 PM »
@mauro63 - I am watching your reports because I was interested in the shield from the Italian company for long-term comparisons with Apogee TS100 and Davis FARS24H. However, I want to know if the problem of so much overestimation when shining from the side is solved relative to the Barani Meteoshield Pro III when the wind is relatively weak. In the Polish climate, there is also the thread of snow, frosty anticyclones and low sun angle.

If I'm interested in SC, I'll take it. In the next few months, he still wants to test the Barani Meteoshield Pro III against my Apogee TS100 and Davis FARS24H. Perhaps in the future I will replace the Slovak shield with the SC, so that I will always have a comparison with the passive shield next to the aspiration shields.

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Hello and thanks for the questions,

at the moment I can't guarantee you anything, and I invite you to pay attention, my reports, regarding the problem of the low sun are not reliable because, as your careful eye will certainly have noticed, I suffer, in the first hours of radiation from a shading due to a structure that we are trying to remove.

From this point of view the reports of Marco, Kallo78, are definitely more reliable than mine because in open field and that, following the WMO classification, it is a class 2.

As for the Siap screen I can tell you that, and I also answer another similar request, last winter, well before it was presented, it was tested in our Alps, on snowy ground, compared to Comet, Pro3 and Metspec with absolutely positive results.

It is not possible for me, at the moment, to provide proof of these tests, therefore my word is worth, therefore zero ;)

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #102 on: October 17, 2024, 07:51:10 AM »
I had promised myself not to answer certain types of messages anymore but, since someone dared to question my words, I will write a long post, and I apologize for that, which explains how the agreement with Siap+Micros works

Siap+Micros does NOT sell directly to private individuals, there is no possibility, to date, that it can do so, Siap+Micros only supplies accredited bodies and research institutes.

Siap+Micros does not have official resellers but only authorized resellers, it is an important distinction, the official reseller buys under reserved conditions from this company and only from company alone and resells and takes care of the assistance of the products, obviously applies a percentage of profit that unfortunately, often exceeds the discount obtained by the company but still remains on average competitive.

Authorized resellers, which I call with a nickname perhaps disrespectful, the "aggregators" are resellers who have an agreement to be able to purchase products from a certain company, with a discount decidedly lower than that of official resellers, they are not official for the reason that they purchase from multiple companies, sometimes even competitors.

These also apply, rightly so, their percentage of profit but are, by necessity, less competitive and are not listed on Siap+Micors website.

Another important aspect, authorized resellers, usually, do not have their own warehouse and work on sales, which obviously lengthens shipping times.

The only possibility, to date, for Siap + Micros to be able to supply products to private customers is through the agreement with MeteoNetwork.

Unfortunately, at least as long as this agreement remains in force, and since it is a stable and satisfactory relationship for both parties it is not in question, I am the only person authorized to decide whether a direct supply to a private individual can be made or not, a decision that arises from some evaluations.

There is a technical evaluation, which concerns the installation, the microclimate, the presence or absence of quality competitors used in comparison etc.

The user who makes the request is also evaluated, as well as his/her way of presenting himself/herself within the social networks and industry forums etc.

Unfortunately, for these evaluations, I am the only person in charge, and in the event of non-acceptance of a request, I only report it to the applicant and, for fairness, to Siap+Micros itself.

Likewise, I have the right to decide the supply conditions which can be on the price list, which is already competitive because at the source, with a 10% discount from the price list or in some cases, with a 50% discount even if for limited quantities and periods.

Those who do not see the request accepted can contact authorized retailers, which I know perfectly well but which I will not list, since they can be easily found with a correct search, they will necessarily have to wait a little longer and pay a higher cost.

I hope I have cleared up any doubts and I hope I will not read any more sarcastic and irreverent comments, I think that for these the task is of the forum moderation.

M.

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #103 on: October 17, 2024, 07:59:48 AM »
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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #104 on: October 17, 2024, 08:57:44 AM »
=D> all this long statement to simply say that yes there is therefore a "commercial agreement" between Siap+Micros and MeteoNetwork
 #-o where i understood everything well but it is also true that i am limited in understanding and/or logic  :grin:

Sorry for you, and, for clarity, this is NOT a "commercial agreement" but a cooperation agrement based on more elevated spirit of the pure commercial part, but it's obviously you cannot understand it

MeteoNetwork will not gain anything from this agreement and me also, the cooperation for the future and the quality improvements are often more important

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #105 on: October 17, 2024, 09:12:22 AM »
Sorry for you, and, for clarity, this is NOT a "commercial agreement" but a cooperation agrement based on more elevated spirit of the pure commercial part, but it's obviously you cannot understand it
MeteoNetwork will not gain anything from this agreement and me also, the cooperation for the future and the quality improvements are often more important

this is totally a misunderstanding  #-o
or maybe a reading problem  #-o
maybe you could translate the box for me please  \:D/
thanks

Sorry, I won't do anything for you at this point, you don't deserve any more answers, just keep going

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #106 on: October 17, 2024, 09:35:17 AM »
Just stop posting unwanted and irrelevant comments please, trying to keep this thread clean.

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #107 on: October 17, 2024, 11:24:16 AM »
Se il Francese se la pianta....e magari partecipa in modo costruttivo!

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #108 on: October 17, 2024, 11:52:43 AM »
Se devo partecipare e trovare persone presuntuose e saccenti come te meglio non farlo! Rimarrai da solo su questo forum come negli altri! Ci sono delle regole di convivenza,oppure tu puoi fare come vuoi? Per essere importanti bisogna avere scritto tanti messaggi? Ti ho letto parecchie volte e non mi piace assolutamente il tuo atteggiamento aggressivo con gli altri utenti! Datti una calmata!

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #109 on: October 17, 2024, 12:06:00 PM »
Se simpatico come un dito al c.......

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #110 on: October 17, 2024, 12:08:35 PM »
Well, it is clear that this post has turned from informative to a battlefield and moderation does not seem to care.

I'll remove the disturbance, but not what I'm doing regarding Siap, MeteoNetwork and others, if anyone has information to ask for I'll leave my email contact, we also have a small group of enthusiasts on Telegram, it is in Italian but we can all make an effort to facilitate communication, all agreements privately by email, at least in the emails I'm also the moderator ;)

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Sorry, but I don't have time to waste

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #111 on: October 17, 2024, 12:23:42 PM »
@bianconero57 -- enough with the sniping and unhelpful comments in this thread.  If you have something useful to post regarding this thread, then do so.  If your comment is just creating animus or otherwise distracting from technical discussions here, then I will ban your userid and remove your posts.

This is your final warning before you get the 'Red Card' and are ejected from the forum.  Such posting behavior is contrary to the forum registration agreement.
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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #112 on: October 17, 2024, 12:41:03 PM »
@bianconero57 -- enough with the sniping and unhelpful comments in this thread.  If you have something useful to post regarding this thread, then do so.  If your comment is just creating animus or otherwise distracting from technical discussions here, then I will ban your userid and remove your posts.

This is your final warning before you get the 'Red Card' and are ejected from the forum.  Such posting behavior is contrary to the forum registration agreement.

Can you please just remove every post starting with this one?

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #113 on: October 17, 2024, 12:42:50 PM »
Well, it is clear that this post has turned from informative to a battlefield and moderation does not seem to care.

I'll remove the disturbance, but not what I'm doing regarding Siap, MeteoNetwork and others, if anyone has information to ask for I'll leave my email contact, we also have a small group of enthusiasts on Telegram, it is in Italian but we can all make an effort to facilitate communication, all agreements privately by email, at least in the emails I'm also the moderator ;)

mauro.serenello@meteonetwork.it

Sorry, but I don't have time to waste

M.

I invite you to stay in this thread, as the nonsense should stop now. Not much to report from my end in the last few days as the weather is not co-operating, but I'll definitely resume posts about the comparison once there's something interesting to report.

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #114 on: October 17, 2024, 12:49:03 PM »
Well, it is clear that this post has turned from informative to a battlefield and moderation does not seem to care.

I'll remove the disturbance, but not what I'm doing regarding Siap, MeteoNetwork and others, if anyone has information to ask for I'll leave my email contact, we also have a small group of enthusiasts on Telegram, it is in Italian but we can all make an effort to facilitate communication, all agreements privately by email, at least in the emails I'm also the moderator ;)

mauro.serenello@meteonetwork.it

Sorry, but I don't have time to waste

M.

I invite you to stay in this thread, as the nonsense should stop now. Not much to report from my end in the last few days as the weather is not co-operating, but I'll definitely resume posts about the comparison once there's something interesting to report.

Thank you,

I won't do it if things go well, not because I'm important, but because I'm sure that there are competent and passionate people here who are ready to discuss in a civil and constructive way.

We all have to learn in this difficult subject, humility and mutual respect are the basis for growing one's knowledge, me first ;)

M.

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #115 on: October 17, 2024, 12:56:53 PM »
Condivido pienamente!

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #116 on: October 17, 2024, 01:06:00 PM »
Can you please speak English here?

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #117 on: October 17, 2024, 01:20:52 PM »
I will certainly speak in English

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #118 on: October 17, 2024, 02:18:50 PM »
I will try to be more active on these forums, commitments permitting! I follow the topics covered very carefully! Let me introduce myself, I am from Rome and I have an urban installation consisting of the Rad 14 Smart Cellino and Barani Fars... with Ecowitt sh35 probe. I'll try to figure out how to post daily reports on this forum! Thank you and I hope we can all be part of something constructive together! Always with humility and desire to discover new things with you!

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #119 on: October 17, 2024, 02:31:09 PM »
I will try to be more active on these forums, commitments permitting! I follow the topics covered very carefully! Let me introduce myself, I am from Rome and I have an urban installation consisting of the Rad 14 Smart Cellino and Barani Fars... with Ecowitt sh35 probe. I'll try to figure out how to post daily reports on this forum! Thank you and I hope we can all be part of something constructive together! Always with humility and desire to discover new things with you!

Thanks Danilo and welcome ;)

we already know each other and I respect your passion and your desire to learn, like all of us.

Yours is a purely urban and rooftop station, but this does not diminish the value of its data, not all weather stations can be installed in open fields and in class 1 ;)

we await your reports

M.

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #120 on: October 17, 2024, 02:37:01 PM »
My station

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #121 on: October 17, 2024, 03:14:01 PM »
I will try to be more active on these forums, commitments permitting! I follow the topics covered very carefully! Let me introduce myself, I am from Rome and I have an urban installation consisting of the Rad 14 Smart Cellino and Barani Fars... with Ecowitt sh35 probe. I'll try to figure out how to post daily reports on this forum! Thank you and I hope we can all be part of something constructive together! Always with humility and desire to discover new things with you!
Welcome! I will be following your reports with interests.

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #122 on: October 18, 2024, 02:51:19 AM »
Report of yesterday

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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #123 on: October 18, 2024, 04:30:13 AM »
Do I see correctly that the SIAP does not suffer as much from side radiation as the Barani Meteoshield Pro III. This looks encouraging and I look forward to further reports.
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Re: Barani MS Pro vs SmartCellino radiation shield comparison
« Reply #124 on: October 18, 2024, 05:20:07 AM »
I had promised myself not to answer certain types of messages anymore but, since someone dared to question my words, I will write a long post, and I apologize for that, which explains how the agreement with Siap+Micros works

Siap+Micros does NOT sell directly to private individuals, there is no possibility, to date, that it can do so, Siap+Micros only supplies accredited bodies and research institutes.

Siap+Micros does not have official resellers but only authorized resellers, it is an important distinction, the official reseller buys under reserved conditions from this company and only from company alone and resells and takes care of the assistance of the products, obviously applies a percentage of profit that unfortunately, often exceeds the discount obtained by the company but still remains on average competitive.

Authorized resellers, which I call with a nickname perhaps disrespectful, the "aggregators" are resellers who have an agreement to be able to purchase products from a certain company, with a discount decidedly lower than that of official resellers, they are not official for the reason that they purchase from multiple companies, sometimes even competitors.

These also apply, rightly so, their percentage of profit but are, by necessity, less competitive and are not listed on Siap+Micors website.

Another important aspect, authorized resellers, usually, do not have their own warehouse and work on sales, which obviously lengthens shipping times.

The only possibility, to date, for Siap + Micros to be able to supply products to private customers is through the agreement with MeteoNetwork.

Unfortunately, at least as long as this agreement remains in force, and since it is a stable and satisfactory relationship for both parties it is not in question, I am the only person authorized to decide whether a direct supply to a private individual can be made or not, a decision that arises from some evaluations.

There is a technical evaluation, which concerns the installation, the microclimate, the presence or absence of quality competitors used in comparison etc.

The user who makes the request is also evaluated, as well as his/her way of presenting himself/herself within the social networks and industry forums etc.

Unfortunately, for these evaluations, I am the only person in charge, and in the event of non-acceptance of a request, I only report it to the applicant and, for fairness, to Siap+Micros itself.

Likewise, I have the right to decide the supply conditions which can be on the price list, which is already competitive because at the source, with a 10% discount from the price list or in some cases, with a 50% discount even if for limited quantities and periods.

Those who do not see the request accepted can contact authorized retailers, which I know perfectly well but which I will not list, since they can be easily found with a correct search, they will necessarily have to wait a little longer and pay a higher cost.

I hope I have cleared up any doubts and I hope I will not read any more sarcastic and irreverent comments, I think that for these the task is of the forum moderation.

M.

Mea culpa  :oops:
personally I am very sorry that things went the wrong way, and I am sure that when they happen the blame is never on the individual, so I am sure I have my share of the blame
making war on each other is of no use, there will be no winners or losers
if you want, read in these words of mine an attempt at reconciliation, in the hope that both of us will not comment on the same mistakes
otherwise don't worry, but an attempt I felt obliged to make
A.

Thank you, and I appreciate the message, I am always open and available to relate to everyone, what is important is that the post continues in a constructive manner, in technical terms and free from other types of considerations that do not concern only the technical aspect as it is right that it should be out of respect for all users.

Ps I take this opportunity to say that I will not post yesterday's data because it is useless, a day characterized by overcast skies, with light rain and unfortunately with a significant amount of sand, data that are almost superimposable for all systems

M.

 

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