Topic: Biden on weather

[Aardvark]

The people that are testing positive for covid are those who have never had covid regardless of vaccination status. This will continue to be true no matter how many booster shots are required. My whole family tested positive in December of last year. I have no fear of getting covid a second time. Natural immunity has been proven to be stronger than any vaccination (at least the current vaccinations) which shouldn't be surprising to anyone....but common sense has left the building.

Most people buy a car with a lot of airbags  and some even wear their seat belts.  We all know that even though these may deploy in a collision , we might still be injured or very dead. Yet we do use them.    The same thing with vaccinations,   I think I would rather have them on board and hope they work and save me, but if I get sick that they will soften the impact of the virus and at least give me a fighting chance.      The antibodies from having the virus wear down at a faster rate than the vaccine, it is the mechanism of how the vaccines actually work which seem to be better than the original model, us. 

Now I am glad you have no fear of getting this again or even ever.  BUT if you do get it a second time or even a third time, please do not go to the hospital and take up resources from me, because the damn airbag deployed and broke my face.

[Garth Bock]

Several things
Tests have shown that natural immunity wanes quicker than the vaccines' protection. Recovery from Covid plus the vaccine has shown stronger protection than the vaccine alone.

Moderna is testing a combination flu/covid vaccine. No.. the plan is not to trick people to get the Covid vaccine.

Atea Pharmaceutical has a new promising treatment. https://ir.ateapharma.com/news-releases/news-release-details/ateas-527-oral-antiviral-drug-candidate-reduces-viral/

Astrazeneca is studying blocking the replication enzyme.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210303/Pharmacists-discover-active-substances-that-block-SARS-CoV-2-replication.aspx

Some of the Covid tests produce false positives with the PCR being most reliable. An unvaccinated person can be infected and asymptomatic, spread the virus and not get sick. The reason for this is still being studied. The vaccine has shown to prevent them from being a "Typhoid Mary".

Hospitals are reporting the largest majority of patients and the deaths are among the unvaccinated regardless of their health or age. (Naysayers will say the numbers are fake).

I got Vaxed and am masked for one reason...if I was not vaccinated and I got it and gave it to someone else and caused them to be very sick or die....I would never be able to forgive myself.

[Garth Bock]

Forgot about the Global warming. The real problem is Global Stupidity and Craziness. So many senseless murders, looting, riots, attacks on innocent people,  illegal immigration, BLM, CRT, Socialism... the list goes on. Our society is slowly crumbling. It seems this has escalated in the past few years.

I think Ellen Ripley (Sigourney Weaver - Aliens) said it best " Has IQ's sharply dropped ?.."

[Garth Bock]

@Weather34....I would like to visit Turkey..... I need to get away from all this over here.

Oh and for the record the vaccine has not changed my DNA... I am still the same homely redneck biker. Microsoft is not tied into me... the updates would kill me. I am not magnetic..... my keys are usually in the couch and not stuck to my body. I don't interfere with 5G.... My phone shows the same status as my area... No Bars !
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[sky_watcher]

Forgot about the Global warming. The real problem is [...], Socialism... the list goes on. Our society is slowly crumbling. It seems this has escalated in the past few years.

I often wonder if everyone has the same definition of what socialism is.

The following countries are considered to be "socialist", albeit democratic socialist: Norway, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Great Britain, Canada, the Netherlands, Spain, Ireland, Belgium, Switzerland, Australia, Japan, and New Zealand. One has to wonder what about these countries is "the real problem".

[AWL]

You can bash natural immunity all you want but I know 8 people that have tested positive in the last month and all have been vaccinated. None had covid previously.  I know no one who that has had covid twice. Some studies have shown that immunity may last a life time. One would think this is a good thing? Only time will tell I guess. Will be sure to post if someone I know gets covid twice but hope I never see it.

[weather34]

@Weather34....I would like to visit Turkey..... I need to get away from all this over here.

Oh and for the record the vaccine has not changed my DNA... I am still the same homely redneck biker. Microsoft is not tied into me... the updates would kill me. I am not magnetic..... my keys are usually in the couch and not stuck to my body. I don't interfere with 5G.... My phone shows the same status as my area... No Bars !
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its a beautiful country , once you venture out of the urban city areas you will see the other side … its a diverse landscape ,diverse in culture a road trip by bike or car ,camper van is highly recommended to experience the culture.

those that think because they have had the virus and are immune need to think and get that logic out of their heads .. true stories

My american friend Jason living here in Istanbul tested positive last April 2020 felt pretty rough for 3 weeks and recovered picked up life where he left off.. tested positive again 1st week december passed away January 2nd 2021 .he was 48 years old from Texas USA non smoker , drank liquor occasionally,craved for Tacos..

My UK old school friend steve tested positive in August 2020 recovered with hospital treatment,tested positive in March 2021 passed away April 2021 ..

i can go on but moral of this is if you have had the virus does NOT make you immune.you are like us all at risk ,the vaccine does not make you immune merely reduces probability of being hospitalized..thats it and thats all we got right now to move forward with..

as above lockdowns are catastrophic long term in many ways they also reduce your ability to adapt .

sooner or later the requirements of having been vaccinated will have more impact on many things , like other parts of the world we have seen the requirement of proof of vaccine or a negative PCR test in last 72 hours to travel internationally,travel between cities ,schools ,here in turkey by plane or bus,car etc.shopping malls,cinemas,sporting venues and whole lot more all require you to have received 2 doses or a negative PCR test..

sooner or later medical insurance and other everyday needs  will be governed by proof of vaccination until this pandemic is eradicated to a low level threat. I cant do much without showing my vaccination card in many places at present .seems I use it more than id card and my credit card at present ..seems to be just a normal expectation you get used to it..


so get vaccinated so you can live without some of the current inconvenience and future inconveniences..

[Mattk]

what cooling are you talking about?

What we know in hindsight and this is way more important than some of the assumptions many are wishing for is that warming started in the 1700's which can't be blamed on aerosol can it  then from the 1940's the temperatures actually cooled for around 4 decades and again this is fact not some future prediction many are hoping for AND this also occurred when CO2 levels were supposedly on the rise and the cause of so called global warming, which had to be changed to climate change as the temperatures were actually falling and not rising which pissed a lot of people off as it didn't sit well with any of the $$'s being splashed on proving global warming as it wasn't warming it was actually cooling and where the term climate change had to be invented to cover their ar$e.

It's really amazing how very few people don't want to look at the overall historical actual data trend and only want to concentrate on yesterday's figures after the real data has been manipulated, very bad science         

[Mattk]

If cruise ships and aeroplanes were banned the virus would still be a Chinese made problem and still in China!

[sky_watcher]

You can bash natural immunity all you want but I know 8 people that have tested positive in the last month and all have been vaccinated. None had covid previously.  I know no one who that has had covid twice. Some studies have shown that immunity may last a life time. One would think this is a good thing? Only time will tell I guess. Will be sure to post if someone I know gets covid twice but hope I never see it.

I wonder where you are getting this information - surely not just from the limited number of people you know personally? Perhaps you can provide some sources? I know people who have been reinfected, but that is hardly authorative, so I'll do what I'm asking of you. I'll provide a published source. The Nevada case referenced should be easy enough to confirm, if you care to.

After this analysis was presented to policymakers (see electronic supplementary material, Accompanying Letter), the first case of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 was reported in a 33-year-old male in Hong Kong in August 2020, 142 days after his initial diagnosis [30]. Following the first infection in March, the patient was discharged from hospital after two negative PCR results. Genomic sequencing confirmed that the viruses in March and August were from distinct clades. Reinfections have since been reported in single cases in the USA [31], Ecuador [32] and Belgium [33] at 48, 63 and 93 days, respectively, from the first reported infections. Two asymptomatic reinfections were also reported in Indian healthcare workers 108 and 111 days from the initial infection [34]. The case of reinfection in the USA, in a 25-year-old male from Nevada, was notable for the second infection causing more severe symptoms than the first, and led to the patient requiring supplemental oxygen and hospitalization. While these reported cases confirm the biological plausibility of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2, the data are too sparse to infer an expected duration of immunity at the population level.

It is also relatively easy to see that the jury is out on whether immunity across the population will last forever. This is particularly relevant with talk of second boosters - not something one would do if it was clear that immunity would continue.

That's shorter than the eight-month interval flagged by US health officials, who are this month expected to begin offering boosters to residents who have received two doses of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

Aug 25 (Reuters) - U.S. health regulators could approve a third COVID-19 shot for adults beginning at least six months after full vaccination, instead of the previously announced eight-month gap, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday.

[Daali]

I'm not really sure how this devolved from stumbling weather commentating to COVID, but...

I pray more of us release the fear and follow the path.  Listen to your heart and do what is best for you and your family. 

• For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.
• Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
• He who gives his freedom for safety gets none of them.

[Garth Bock]

If cruise ships and aeroplanes were banned the virus would still be a Chinese made problem and still in China!

I remember a quote from an old article (in the 70's ?) that said international travel would ignite and spread the next world epidemic. Shutting down travel quickly woul be the only way to stop it.

[gwwilk]

If cruise ships and aeroplanes were banned the virus would still be a Chinese made problem and still in China!

I remember a quote from an old article (in the 70's ?) that said international travel would ignite and spread the next world epidemic. Shutting down travel quickly woul be the only way to stop it.

But the shutdown can never be quick enough, can it, leaving us always grasping at 'coulda, shoulda, woulda' and 'next time we'll know better'.  Fat chance!

[sky_watcher]

I'm not really sure how this devolved from stumbling weather commentating to COVID, but...

I pray more of us release the fear and follow the path.  Listen to your heart and do what is best for you and your family. 

• For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.
• Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
• He who gives his freedom for safety gets none of them.

Sorry, This post didn't seem to make any sense.
I've not had any medical training, so I'm not quite sure why you think that if I look into my heart I can come up with the best, medically speaking, for me and my family. I'm not a mechanic either, so will that also work if I need to fix my car?

"For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it" - Matthew 16:24.

Now let's put it context and see what Jesus was talking about.

"Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?" - Matthew 16:24 - 26.

It was about becoming a disciple of Jesus, so COVID irrelevant.

"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

So what was BF taking about when he wrote those words?

It would appear that "He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns" - source - https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famous-liberty-safety-quote-lost-its-context-in-21st-century

About tax, so irrelevant to COVID.

It only makes sense to put in quotes from famous people if they are in the same context as the topic. If not they aren't offering sage advice about the subject and it is just a bit naughty to imply that, for example, when BF was really talking about tax, he was actually offering advice relevant to handlling a pandemic.

[SnowHiker]

BUT if you do get it a second time or even a third time, please do not go to the hospital and take up resources from me, because the damn airbag deployed and broke my face.

Do you believe that teen boys who are reportedly six times more likely to suffer heart problems from the vaccine than to be hospitalized with the virus should be allowed to go to the hospital and take up your resources?  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/09/teenage-boys-risk-vaccines-covid/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1631205198

Please do not go to the hospital because an airbag deployed in your face when you were too demented to be driving, even if you think the road belongs to you and no one else should be on it.

Please don't got to the hospital if any long term consequences from the vaccine to you or your offspring become apparent.

So while we see a bunch of anecdotal evidence both ways on natural immunity, Fauci indicates that he doesn't have a clue, as usual, when asked whether those who have had the virus should get vaccinated when studies have indicated that natural immunity is more durable.

"You know, that's a really good point, Sanjay. I don't have a really firm answer to you on that,"

"That's something that we're going to have to discuss, regarding the durability of the response,"

"So it is conceivable that you got infected, you're protected, but you may not be protected for an indefinite period of time,"

It's not like he hasn't had time to consider and study the matter.  But no matter what; obey, get vaccinated, and shut-up.  Yet despite their ever-changing facts and ignorance, we're supposed to blindly trust them.  Weren't the vaccines touted to be virtually 100% effective when they first came out.  Now they're just so-so effective, but still necessary along with continuing to take all the other restrictive and damaging measures.  So shut-up and take it.

It doesn't give me confidence when the most clueless people throughout the pandemic seem to be those calling themselves epidemiologists and virologists and such, especially the proven liar Fauci.  Their "qualifications" were evident from the start when they automatically spouted the Chinese propaganda claiming that it was unlikely the virus had started in the lab in the immediate vicinity of where the virus started that studies gain-of-function on coronaviruses. "Duh, well, okay, maybe it did come from the lab, but if it did, it must have been when someone bought a bat out of a vending machine in the break room for lunch that just happened to have a naturally occurring coronavirus, unrelated to the studies, that just immediately jumped species.  The employee that bought the bat out of the snack machine is suspected to have been a pangolin. Just one really big coincidence."

[Daali]

Sorry, This post didn't seem to make any sense.

You're correct on all the contexts, sir.  My original intent was to pray for all to stop living in fear and trust the holy spirit.

[Garth Bock]

Sorry, This post didn't seem to make any sense.

You're correct on all the contexts, sir.  My original intent was to pray for all to stop living in fear and trust the holy spirit.

In Matthew 9, the Pharisees asked Jesus why he spent time with sinners. He replied, 'It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick' (Matthew 9:12). Jesus recognised that sick people need doctors. He did not condemn using doctors and 'earthly' remedies.

[Garth Bock]

I didn't mean to turn this into a bad dinner party.  Started out with politics, then economy, and now religion.   

This has been a good level headed discussion. Much better than my buddies who call this a hoax-demic and believe the election was stolen from Trump and exposed me to Covid (he is quarantined and most likely will end up in the hospital). Oh and one believes the deaths were due to an underlying health problem basically saying that nature is weeding out the weak. Holy Crap !

[SnowHiker]

In Matthew 9, the Pharisees asked Jesus why he spent time with sinners. He replied, 'It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick' (Matthew 9:12). Jesus recognised that sick people need doctors. He did not condemn using doctors and 'earthly' remedies.

But apparently not all doctors or remedies are good:

[Mark 5:25] And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years, [Mark 5:26] And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,

[Daali]

Faith, not religion for me.   

[waiukuweather]

Do you believe that teen boys who are reportedly six times more likely to suffer heart problems from the vaccine than to be hospitalized with the virus

but you are more likely to get those complications from the actual virus than from the vaccine
similar for blood clots: the contraceptive pill has more chance of side affects than the vaccine, yet its widely used and trusted
stay away from the conspiracy theory web sites, trust the science, and get vaccinated .... its the only way forward out of the Pandemic (countries that have high vaccination levels are now opening up..there is a new wave of cases but much less hospitislation and deaths because of vaccinations (anti vaxers dont seem to have an alternative plan.. or was it simply to let the virus run its course and to let 1% of the total population die?

[waiukuweather]

@ Mattk
so the falling temperatures mentioned was way back in the 1940s ?
your whole argument post does not make any sense, unless you are cherry picking data?

[SnowHiker]

Do you believe that teen boys who are reportedly six times more likely to suffer heart problems from the vaccine than to be hospitalized with the virus

but you are more likely to get those complications from the actual virus than from the vaccine
similar for blood clots: the contraceptive pill has more chance of side affects than the vaccine, yet its widely used and trusted
stay away from the conspiracy theory web sites, trust the science, and get vaccinated .

How are you reading that into it?

Do you ever actually read data and post references? 

You never seem to add anything substantive to any arguments.

[waiukuweather]

yes I do read widely on the data
so your counter argument  is to attack my credibility and character?

[SnowHiker]

yes I do read widely on the data
so your counter argument  is to attack my credibility and character?

I do think it is important to know whether someone has a clue what they are talking about or whether they are just blindly repeating  their party platform.

That article says that a study shows teen boys are six times more likely to suffer heart problems from the vaccine than to be hospitalized with the virus.

It appears to me that you are contradicting what the study says.  So why should I not ask for you to back up what you say?

Just because you don't want to believe something doesn't make it a conspiracy theory.