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Offline davidefa

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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2022, 06:59:02 AM »
In this video seems it is quite easy 2:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=phEqhJoN8k4

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Can't understand if an o-ring is present... may be too easy
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« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2022, 07:02:02 AM »
Thanks Mark.

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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2022, 07:15:25 AM »
In this video seems it is quite easy 2:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=phEqhJoN8k4

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Can't understand if an o-ring is present... may be too easy

Yes there is an O-ring in top. Interesting that his had condensation over the solar panel out of the box, unless it was from opening previously.

The super capacitor however is the base.
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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2022, 07:37:25 AM »
I had no idea the top is removable like that. I have checked the battery compartment when changing batteries and that was sealed OK and dry and I was careful to ensure the sealing ring was in place properly when replacing the battery compartment cap. I did not see any condensation in the solar panel. I will check it all carefully when I have it down to replace. I have tracking info for the replacement but right now it does not show much!

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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2022, 10:41:51 AM »
I had no idea the top is removable like that. I have checked the battery compartment when changing batteries and that was sealed OK and dry and I was careful to ensure the sealing ring was in place properly when replacing the battery compartment cap. I did not see any condensation in the solar panel. I will check it all carefully when I have it down to replace. I have tracking info for the replacement but right now it does not show much!

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Ambient sell the cap as a spare part, which I find a bit disconcerting.
Glad your replacement is on it's way.
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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2022, 11:05:54 AM »
I had no idea the top is removable like that. I have checked the battery compartment when changing batteries and that was sealed OK and dry and I was careful to ensure the sealing ring was in place properly when replacing the battery compartment cap. I did not see any condensation in the solar panel. I will check it all carefully when I have it down to replace. I have tracking info for the replacement but right now it does not show much!

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Ambient sell the cap as a spare part, which I find a bit disconcerting.
Glad your replacement is on it's way.
You can get this part (and others) from Ecowitt too -it's only not in the catalogue.
However, based on email communication, you can get replacements ...
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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2022, 11:43:23 AM »
@Gyvate.
I suspected as such.
The concern, is why it would be offered as a spare.
Part failure or damage. Larger hailstones than I'm used to, or very destructive wildlife. (not in the UK)
I did not find any posts prior to my purchase, other than a general one regarding Cockatoo damage in Australia.
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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2022, 05:41:48 AM »
This morning I received an email from Ecowitt support explaining what they expect to happen with the solar panel-
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Based on your setup, you have one hour over 20klux which will charge for 5mA, 2 hours above 10klux, so it will charge 2mA. So as we calculated, you should have about 12mAH charged. Our device consumes about 20mAh.  So there will be a 8mAh per day deficit and it needs to be withdrawn from the battery.

With Lithium battery, you have about 2400mAH minimum power, and this will last for about 300 days and it is almost a year.

So it really looks not normal.

We will check this up again in our side.

So they expect the batteries to last nearly a year, quite possibly longer when conditions are good for charging and therefore having less than or zero deficit.

Anyway I'll see what happens when I get my replacement.

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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2022, 06:03:00 AM »
@Gyvate.
I suspected as such.
The concern, is why it would be offered as a spare.
Part failure or damage. Larger hailstones than I'm used to, or very destructive wildlife. (not in the UK)
I did not find any posts prior to my purchase, other than a general one regarding Cockatoo damage in Australia.
@DelChard: you named already some of the possible reasons ...  :-)
the fact that there are replacement parts available for your car, won't make you very much concerned about your car, will it ?
Also, once out of the warranty period, you may prefer to replace (if needed) only parts of such a 6-in-1 sensor rather than the whole sensor.
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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2022, 07:25:27 AM »
This morning I received an email from Ecowitt support explaining what they expect to happen with the solar panel-
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Based on your setup, you have one hour over 20klux which will charge for 5mA, 2 hours above 10klux, so it will charge 2mA. So as we calculated, you should have about 12mAH charged. Our device consumes about 20mAh.  So there will be a 8mAh per day deficit and it needs to be withdrawn from the battery.

With Lithium battery, you have about 2400mAH minimum power, and this will last for about 300 days and it is almost a year.

So it really looks not normal.

Based on my experience with one of the pre-production units I would agree with the summary.
I got about 17 months from my first set of Lithiums in the WS80. The unit was installed in August 2019 and lasted until Jan 2021 when it went off line due to low voltage.

We will check this up again in our side.

So they expect the batteries to last nearly a year, quite possibly longer when conditions are good for charging and therefore having less than or zero deficit.

Anyway I'll see what happens when I get my replacement.

Stuart

Very odd, not sure what happened here.....
My comments were that my usage from having one of the very first WS80's (pre-production testing) that you can expect upto 18 months on lithium AA cells.
The WS80 was installed in August 2019 (summer) and lasted through till January 2021.
So the guideline of around 12 months battery swap is probably a wise one (at least for my Northern Hemisphere position) If you live further south then you may get longer
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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2022, 08:01:56 AM »
@Mandrake: and your reply was what ... ? So far it's only re-posting Stuart's post...
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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2022, 08:27:43 AM »
His reply is buried in the inner quote.

"Based on my experience with one of the pre-production units I would agree with the summary.
I got about 17 months from my first set of Lithiums in the WS80. The unit was installed in August 2019 and lasted until Jan 2021 when it went off line due to low voltage."

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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2022, 09:45:13 AM »
Off topic, but:
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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2022, 09:56:34 AM »
His reply is buried in the inner quote.

"Based on my experience with one of the pre-production units I would agree with the summary.
I got about 17 months from my first set of Lithiums in the WS80. The unit was installed in August 2019 and lasted until Jan 2021 when it went off line due to low voltage."
Thanks, clear now. Camouflaged.

And for it's worth - my WS80 is now running on the same batteries (I guess mainly on its super-capacitor though) for more than 1 1/2 years.
Now, making some calculation based on the Ecowitt response: assuming that for 1/3 of the year the WS80 does not get enough sun exposure to re-charge the super-capacitor sufficiently, that's about 100-120 days. If by EW estimate the batteries hold for 300 days, it will take up tp three years before the batteries need to be replaced.
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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2022, 10:10:33 AM »
Off topic, but:
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That doesn't seem right.

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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2022, 10:48:56 AM »
Off topic, but:
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That doesn't seem right.
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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2022, 12:34:31 PM »
Wow. Probably didn't come back until just a couple years ago.

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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2022, 06:20:19 AM »
Well I now have a tracking number and it is with YunExpress so I can hopefully see when it will arrive. Can't tell if it is air or surface mail though.

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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2022, 04:09:48 PM »
@broadstairs
I don't think that surface transport from China to Europe for mail/parcels exists - unless you considered water as surface.  :roll:
Yun Express will deliver by air into the "continent" of destination.
Your last mile provider will be Royal Mail.
For the UK, see https://www.tracktry.com/couriers/yunexpress
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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2022, 04:53:48 PM »
@broadstairs
I don't think that surface transport from China to Europe for mail/parcels exists - unless you considered water as surface.  :roll:

Very droll...  #-o  :roll: yes I do mean water as surface  :roll:

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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2022, 06:25:28 PM »
Don't know if it important... but droll is translated in sundanese as 'ngagugulung' ( don't know why I had sundanese selected in the translator... but nice to know anyway ; - )

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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2022, 12:44:28 PM »
same problem for me   ](*,)
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i've bought the ws80 from froggit but they don't reply to my email. What can i do ?  #-o

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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2022, 12:52:46 PM »
maybe pray for more and more intense sunshine ....  :roll:
my WS80's batteries have gone down to 2.79 V after 1 1/2 years - in the past weeks very little sun here - often max radiation < 90 W/m2 - so its super capacitor obviously can't be charged fully for the whole night ...
It's one of the 1st hardware revision and came directly from Ecowitt.

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i've bought the ws80 from froggit but they don't reply to my email. What can i do ?  #-o
you can still contact Ecowitt - we had a few cases in Germany where people had issues with their WS80 (water related though) and Froggit wouldn't move - so they turned to Ecowitt - and they (EW) sent them a replacement device  [tup]

But as long as it still works (meaning doesn't go off), difficult to complain ...
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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2022, 02:40:57 PM »
no, the ws80 no longer works, and even with new batteries it does not turn on. I don't understand why froggit behaves like this

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Re: My WH80 seems to be using battery
« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2022, 02:42:04 PM »
no, the ws80 no longer works, and even with new batteries it does not turn on. I don't understand why froggit behaves like this
They can be strange - how old is the WS80 ?
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