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Title: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on December 13, 2021, 04:16:33 PM
You can now order your Wittboy/GW2001 station via Kickstarter for discounted prices (40 %/20 %/10 %) - EU (40/30/20 because of import VAT) in an early-bird approach:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1758231609/wittboy-the-all-in-one-intelligent-weather-station
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Rover1822 on December 13, 2021, 04:58:50 PM
Having used kickstarter , please read carefully what you are doing.
I did "pledge"  as I would like to play with the unit.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mcrossley on December 13, 2021, 05:01:51 PM
Hmm, another haptic rain sensor with accuracy "TBA"  :lol:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: KC5JIM on December 13, 2021, 05:12:42 PM
I'm backing it.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on December 13, 2021, 05:20:30 PM
Hmm, another haptic rain sensor with accuracy "TBA"  :lol:
Let's see what it gives - the beta test devices are being shipped these days and the stations will have to prove their fitness beyond the laboratory tests
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on December 13, 2021, 05:25:27 PM
Having used kickstarter , please read carefully what you are doing.
I did "pledge"  as I would like to play with the unit.
As the already existing pledges already go beyond the set goal, the pledges become real buying requests.
$8,713 pledged of $5,001 goal.
So right now it is the real possibility to get a station with the respective reduction percentage as long as "slots", items of each package are still available. Of course only if your pledge has the proper amount  8-)

and if you don't happen to be a WS90 beta tester ...  \:D/
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Rover1822 on December 13, 2021, 06:18:59 PM
I just meant, it is not like buying off Ebay/Amazon or other source. One needs to pay more attention.
Just a blanket warning , I was looking at your post as a guarantee buy op, and it seems it may be, but just a warning about kickstarter, and similar sites.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: box on December 14, 2021, 04:12:39 AM
Its an interesting marketing ploy

Given they already produce a wide range of equipment I do wonder why they did it this way

Is it to get a guaranteed initial market to justify the production set up costs?

Looks smart enough but we are back to the compromise siting and unknown accuracy of the haptic rainfall sensor

Be ideal for people without much room, I shall watch with interest but I won't be a purchaser
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on December 14, 2021, 05:01:47 AM
let's see what the beta test phase will bring (up) - as far as I know there was an alpha test phase where the issues of a haptic rain sensor known from the Weatherflow Tempest station are claimed to have been removed. Ecowitt also claims that their approach to haptic rain sensors in different from what's so far on the market.
Again, let's see what the beta tests worldwide will bring.
There will be comparison tests with the WH40 (and also WH65) rain gauge.
One of the beta tester selection criteria was owning a WH40 (and a GW1000/GW1100  ;) + ,by preference, a HP2551 console).
The beta test(s) will start end December 2021/beginning January 2022.
They will cover different geographic latitudes (it's not only a rain sensor, but a 7-in-1, so all the other sensors have to proof accuracy and fitness for the respective location and weather conditions).
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Platokidd on December 14, 2021, 05:14:44 AM
Tempting for sure. This could work nicely at my campsite and work stations. However the gw1000 dont work at the campsite with the repeaters and it could be the same with the gw2000.   And we still have the unresolved issues with the ws80 ,. Or did they fix that?

Started with the with the tri-wing 2902 array. Then I wanted and shifted towards separate sensors for better location.

Seems the trend with Ecowitt is still to move towards the All In Ones pws.  Somewhat disappointing.  Not knowing if this will work with the HP2551c makes it more questionable for me also.
Guess I would be more interested in the new GW2000 for the home station..

For that reasons I'm probably out.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on December 14, 2021, 05:22:21 AM
I think they rather want to replace the WH65 array long-term and replace it by the WS90.

WN1900 as low-cost and GW2001 as high end of the all-in-ones. Even though I think that the WN67 ("crippled" WH65) which comes with the WN19x0 station is not a good choice missing the solar panel and sensors and, due to battery only, having longer transmission intervals.

The WS80 has no known end-of-life yet, but I assume that issues from the WS80 have been considered in the WS90 design as the solar/wind components are (in principle) the same or similar. The more "scientific"  single sensor (rain, wind, temp separate) edition is still on. But target group is probably the higher level enthusiast.

And, the WS90 will work with the HP2551 console (after a firmware update  8-) ).
A HP2551 is part of the desired/required infrastructure for WS90 beta testing.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on December 14, 2021, 07:22:21 AM
Hmm, another haptic rain sensor with accuracy "TBA"  :lol:

it is a completely different system than the weather flow. It uses 3 sensors for each rain rate.
I think it's a more complete and probably better system. We will see the results from the beta testers.
ps. the new gateway gw2000 will be compatible with your awesome cmx. ?  8-)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mcrossley on December 14, 2021, 07:32:04 AM
ps. the new gateway gw2000 will be compatible with your awesome cmx. ?  8-)

I haven't seen any tech docs on it, but I image they are using the same API so that their existing WSView apps work with it.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on December 14, 2021, 07:53:27 AM
ps. the new gateway gw2000 will be compatible with your awesome cmx. ?  8-)

I haven't seen any tech docs on it, but I image they are using the same API so that their existing WSView apps work with it.
that's what we hear, that the API is the same as for the GW1x00; and the GW2000 will come, over time, with more functionality like home automation interfaces etc. - and there is always the new http functionality in CumulusMX to read the data from the customer server function of/from the console - and the GW2000 will have that for sure.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on December 14, 2021, 07:54:35 AM
Thank you  [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: eliteweathernz on December 14, 2021, 12:26:20 PM
Hey guys,

Im a beta tester here in New Zealand, Ive been told beta test units are being shipped this week.
I have the HP2551 console, along with a collection of other sensors ie WH40, WH32EP, WH57 etc
My WS80 has been running flawlessly since the firmware update some month ago.
I worked closely with technical at Ecowitt to solve the wind spike issue seen in previous firmware revisions. I understand the WS90 will apply similar firmware learnings to the WS80 so wind speed and direction should be pretty accurate.

Im interested in the haptic rain sensor and how that compares to the WH40.
Ill be able to run the GW2000 alongside my existing GW1100 to compare the readings.
I may even setup the WS90 alongside the WS80 for full comparison.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: wsNoordbergum on December 24, 2021, 05:13:07 PM
I backed this project on kickstarter, the minimum amount  $ required has been reached easily.
Since the API of the GW2000 will be the same as the GW1000, I'm going to add this station to my meteobridge as an extra weatherstation.
It's easy to add a station on my meteobridge Nano SD, luftdaten air quality sensor works like a charm also with meteobridge.
Adding sensors to the station like the lightning sensor WH57 is also a very nice addition for my template.

The possibilities will only grow

Hoping to get one in february..... [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on December 25, 2021, 06:08:13 AM
I backed this project on kickstarter, the minimum amount  $ required has been reached easily.
Since the API of the GW2000 will be the same as the GW1000, I'm going to add this station to my meteobridge as an extra weatherstation.
It's easy to add a station on my meteobridge Nano SD, luftdaten air quality sensor works like a charm also with meteobridge.
Adding sensors to the station like the lightning sensor WH57 is also a very nice addition for my template.

The possibilities will only grow

Hoping to get one in february..... [tup]
the units for beta testers have not yet been shipped. I think those sold on kickstarter will be shipped very late
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on December 25, 2021, 07:54:51 AM
let's see what "very late" may mean - if the beta tests do not bring up severe issues, the forecast first delivery will be in March 2022, possibly rather end of March though.  ;) 8-)
From what I hear, the first beta test stations are shipping these days and they'll probably arrive with the first candidates beginning of the New Year - enough time from mid-January through mid-March to collect data in a hopefully very large variety of conditions. The Northern hemisphere may still be able to provide lower temperature conditions for the anemometer and show to what extent snow or ice are an issue for the solar panel and the solar and haptic rain sensors.

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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Rover1822 on December 25, 2021, 08:14:11 AM
The estimated delivery was Feb 2022, but I get it that it may be later.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on December 25, 2021, 08:42:00 AM
The estimated delivery was Feb 2022, but I get it that it may be later.
@Rover1822: you are right  for the super-early-bird it's Feb 2022 (so they write)  8-) -
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Mapantz on December 25, 2021, 08:49:13 AM
Haptic rain sensor...  ](*,)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on December 25, 2021, 09:28:09 AM
Haptic rain sensor...  ](*,)
the one you put is for horizontally incoming rain only  #-o ;)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: eliteweathernz on December 25, 2021, 01:31:57 PM
Merry Christmas All,

I was told a few days before Christmas that Ecowitt/FOS have withheld the release of the beta testing units until early Jan 2022 as they have developed a new algorithm to measure/ improve the haptic sensors response to light rain/drizzle events.
So least theyre improving things even before receiving wide world feedback.

Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on December 25, 2021, 04:15:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I6YtCNdw2E
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Mapantz on December 25, 2021, 04:31:33 PM
I honestly do not understand why weather station manufacturers want to go down these routes? Well.. to be fair, it's designed for those who don't really care for accuracy.

The only good thing haptic rain sensors are for, and that is detecting when it starts to rain. To this day, WF haven't solved the issues with theirs, and they won't.

You'll never get accurate results in any winds that cause rain to fall in any direction other than straight down. It's a gimmick for those who like a little fun with technology, but not good for anyone who like strict results.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on December 25, 2021, 04:33:16 PM
I honestly do not understand why weather station manufacturers want to go down these routes? Well.. to be fair, it's designed for those who don't really care for accuracy.

The only good thing haptic rain sensors are for, and that is detecting when it starts to rain. To this day, WF haven't solved the issues with theirs, and they won't.

You'll never get accurate results in any winds that cause rain to fall in any direction other than straight down. It's a gimmick for those who like a little fun with technology, but not good for anyone who like strict results.
obviously it uses a completely different technology than WF, they have no interest in making an imprecise w.station

 
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Mapantz on December 25, 2021, 04:35:54 PM

obviously it uses a completely different technology than WF, they have no interest in making an imprecise w.station

It makes absolutely zero difference! Haptic is haptic - You'll never get accurate results with it, guaranteed. The WH40 will be far more accurate than that, over time.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on December 25, 2021, 04:39:16 PM

obviously it uses a completely different technology than WF, they have no interest in making an imprecise w.station

It makes absolutely zero difference! Haptic is haptic - You'll never get accurate results with it, guaranteed. The WH40 will be far more accurate than that, over time.

I don't know, I've never used them. What models have you tried?

Mauro from meteonetwork said that it uses 3 sensors for different rain rates and special algorithms to measure rain. I don't know if this is all working well, but I have no reason to doubt.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mauro63 on December 25, 2021, 04:44:20 PM

obviously it uses a completely different technology than WF, they have no interest in making an imprecise w.station

It makes absolutely zero difference! Haptic is haptic - You'll never get accurate results with it, guaranteed. The WH40 will be far more accurate than that, over time.

I agree with you, and after a lot of your comments with the same contents I'm asking to me "why you simply you do not take more care of this new product?"

for the others, the new testing phase is going well, new firmware optimization seems to guarantee very good performance also with very low rain-rate levels, I hope to receive first samples, reserved for beta testers ASAP

M.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mcrossley on December 26, 2021, 04:11:11 AM
It will be interesting to see how it copes with light drizzle/misty conditions, heavy dew, sleet, snow, and freezing rain. All of which have would have very different or zero haptic input I would think.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on December 26, 2021, 09:53:07 AM
It will be interesting to see how it copes with light drizzle/misty conditions, heavy dew, sleet, snow, and freezing rain. All of which have would have very different or zero haptic input I would think.
but... even the wh40 does not record these events
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Mapantz on December 26, 2021, 11:15:18 AM
but... even the wh40 does not record these events

Mine records dew that gathers on it. Freezing rain/snow is rare here, but since owning the WH40, we did have an event that produced both. As soon as the temperature increased and began to melt it, the WH40 started recording it as rain, which is technically correct.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mauro63 on December 26, 2021, 11:46:44 AM
but... even the wh40 does not record these events

Mine records dew that gathers on it. Freezing rain/snow is rare here, but since owning the WH40, we did have an event that produced both. As soon as the temperature increased and began to melt it, the WH40 started recording it as rain, which is technically correct.

I absolutely agree,

I believe that the new ws90, or Wittboy as you want to call it, will have an use based on the type of user, who does not need to have highly accurate data, who do not seek perfection but a general indication of external events, he will keep it that way and it will be, I hope, a technically valid and satisfactory product, similar to what that we have with the Tempest, but I hope with better quality and, most importantly, with no need for remote quality data correction.

The advanced user, as most of those who frequent this section of the forum is, will probably combine it with a wh40 and maybe, if I can get what I asked for, that is the possibility, given the removable sensor, to have an extension cable that allows the physical movement from the central body, to be able to insert the thermo-hygrometer sensor in a quality solar radiation shield.

So the ws90 will be a "scalable" product, we are working to start from the better standard level possible.

M.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Rover1822 on December 26, 2021, 11:59:37 AM
Having a wh65, and 2 wh40s, I will be interested to see how the WS 90 compares when it arrives.

Fun part is going to be trying to find a location on my small property where the measurements can be used in a relative comparison.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on December 26, 2021, 02:26:45 PM
Having a wh65, and 2 wh40s, I will be interested to see how the WS 90 compares when it arrives.

Fun part is going to be trying to find a location on my small property where the measurements can be used in a relative comparison.
would such a setup be useful for you ?
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Can be used in any height ...
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Rover1822 on December 26, 2021, 03:37:06 PM
Actually ,for me no. i have a complex tree shaded property. the biggest issue is doing both wind and rain. :)   . No worries, I will think of something.

for reference, https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40706.msg417710#msg417710

:) , I will have some fun.



Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on December 31, 2021, 04:06:00 AM
Looks like the beta test shipping has started:
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on December 31, 2021, 04:20:28 AM
Looks like the beta test shipping has started:
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Shipped with DHL?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on December 31, 2021, 04:21:33 AM
No idea - only received shipping note and invoice via email. No tracking ID yet.
In fact, it's the system generated invoice so far only with all shipping info contained
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: hiljolodewijk on December 31, 2021, 07:45:13 AM
I can conform, today i also received a shipping and invoice notice of the GW2001 as it is called.
No shipment information available yet! Exiting!  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mauro63 on December 31, 2021, 07:58:22 AM
First shipments after end year holidays

M.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: zoomx on December 31, 2021, 12:02:58 PM

It makes absolutely zero difference! Haptic is haptic - You'll never get accurate results with it, guaranteed. The WH40 will be far more accurate than that, over time.
This is a piece of crap?
https://www.vaisala.com/en/products/weather-environmental-sensors/weather-transmitter-wxt530-series
They claim that is accurate even with hail.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mcrossley on December 31, 2021, 12:27:39 PM
This is a piece of crap?
https://www.vaisala.com/en/products/weather-environmental-sensors/weather-transmitter-wxt530-series
They claim that is accurate even with hail.
Well, not quite. The rain measurement is better than 5% "weather dependent" - whatever that means? I suspect they exclude sleet, melting snow, very light/misty drizzle.
And for hail it counts the number of hailstones hitting it, no conversion to precipitation that I can see?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: box on December 31, 2021, 01:44:36 PM
has anyone done a side-by-side test of haptic vs tipping bucket vs manual rain gauge?

Or is there about to be one?..... :-P

As far as I can see all of the 'official' rain measurement devices are all manual devices or tipping buckets
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Rover1822 on December 31, 2021, 03:07:51 PM
has anyone done a side-by-side test of haptic vs tipping bucket vs manual rain gauge?

Or is there about to be one?..... :-P

As far as I can see all of the 'official' rain measurement devices are all manual devices or tipping buckets
In general , I'm sure there have been (you can search for that). On this specific unit , if there has been it has been on the developers side as these are new. Once the beta testers get these units, and those of us that pre-ordered units on kickstarter get them. I guarantee there will be as I know I will be.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on December 31, 2021, 03:24:04 PM
has anyone done a side-by-side test of haptic vs tipping bucket vs manual rain gauge?

Or is there about to be one?..... :-P

As far as I can see all of the 'official' rain measurement devices are all manual devices or tipping buckets
the beta test setup will be such - recording the readings of the WS90 together with/in parallel to a WH40.
Having a WH40 and a HP2551 was a prerequisite for beta test applicants. No issue putting also a manual rain gauge next to the setup. Only its data won't be automatically collected on ecowitt.net or/and by another data logger.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Rover1822 on December 31, 2021, 03:30:45 PM
I will be comparing performance against a WH65, 2 WH40s, and a manual gauge.
Now is it a scientific lab environment, oh hell no. But should be enough for me to get a "feel" on performance.
Which I will relay.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mauro63 on December 31, 2021, 04:00:23 PM
has anyone done a side-by-side test of haptic vs tipping bucket vs manual rain gauge?

Or is there about to be one?..... :-P

As far as I can see all of the 'official' rain measurement devices are all manual devices or tipping buckets
the beta test setup will be such - recording the readings of the WS90 together with/in parallel to a WH40.
Having a WH40 and a HP2551 was a prerequisite for beta test applicants. No issue putting also a manual rain gauge next to the setup. Only its data won't be automatically collected on ecowitt.net or/and by another data logger.

Perfect, I can confirm
the ability to add a manual rain gauge will request more jobs to the beta tester, in this case, he will need to prepare a sheet where he will note the rain measurement by manual rain gauge and, if possible, send the result to my address compared to wh40/Wittboy data
supporto.it@ecowitt.com

but, I need to be honest, this more job will be very appreciated and evaluated during future products beta testing phases organization ;)

M.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on December 31, 2021, 08:51:01 PM
Just curious if any Ecowitt display consoles will work with this? What other options would there be to display the data from this new station..i.e..looking for tablet as a display option.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 01, 2022, 03:54:33 AM
the latest console firmware update 1.7.7 for the HP2551 console allows for using the WS90 as outdoor array.
The WS90 appears under Sensors ID in the setup.
I assume that the HP350x consoles will also get a respective firmware update.

The GW1100 and the GW2000 can receive a WS90 and I guess the GW1000/WH2650 consoles will receive a respective firmware update soon.

If this will be possible for the WS2320E and WH2910 consoles, I doubt,  as they don't have a port for device firmware updates.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 01, 2022, 08:42:49 AM
New photo... A new structure can be seen near the transducers  [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]  [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0548/6539/5874/files/WB1.jpg?v=1640781984
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 01, 2022, 01:12:06 PM
the latest console firmware update 1.7.7 for the HP2551 console allows for using the WS90 as outdoor array.
The WS90 appears under Sensors ID in the setup.
I assume that the HP350x consoles will also get a respective firmware update.

The GW1100 and the GW2000 can receive a WS90 and I guess the GW1000/WH2650 consoles will receive a respective firmware update soon.

If this will be possible for the WS2320E and WH2910 consoles, I doubt,  as they don't have a port for device firmware updates.
Will either one of these consoles work?
https://www.ecowitt.com/shop/goodsDetail/173
https://www.ecowitt.com/shop/goodsDetail/79

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: hiljolodewijk on January 01, 2022, 01:20:46 PM
Yes they will. I'm one of the beta testers and also have an HP2550 (the HP2550 is the display itself, 2551/2552, etc is the display combined with other sensors). See https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730.msg431939#msg431939 for the different package info.

We still need to see it in action, so maybe a good idea to wait for these results, before ordering. Just a tip  [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 01, 2022, 01:22:11 PM
They are both the same console - only one comes with an extra indoor temperature/humidity/air pressure sensor (which you don't need, if you have already such a console and only want to have a second device; if it's your only console, you will need the T/H/P sensor (WH32B)).
And both will work with a WS90 once upgraded with WiFi firmware 1.6.1 and device firmware 1.7.7.
I doubt Ecowitt would have published the new firmware with the capacity of also receiving and processing data from a WS90 without having tested it.
They have the WS90 since long.
The beta test serves different purposes than verifying if the WS90 can be received by a HP2550 console.
When you see some of the WS90 testing videos for the haptic rain sensor, you can see that a HP2550 console is used to receive and process their test data.
e.g. https://youtu.be/LU5gXVOtfVw
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 01, 2022, 02:19:38 PM
So essentially there are selling the extra temp. and humidity sensor for $10.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 01, 2022, 03:17:06 PM
So essentially there are selling the extra temp. and humidity sensor for $10.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Beware. The WH32B is the indoor temperature, humidity and air pressure sensor, The console doesn't have these sensors inbuilt, hence an additional sensor (3-in-1) is needed.
And by convention, the nomenclature is such that Extra Temperature and Humidity sensors are the members of the WH31 family.
They can be placed anywhere: indoor, outdoor ... - whereas the WH32B is the official indoor T/H/P sensor.
Might be helpful to read the https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730.0 (again ?)
And yes, the WH32B comes for around 10 USD, the WH31s for 12 USD etc.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 02, 2022, 05:54:44 PM
So my WH31B doesnt have a pressure sensor. I do have the GW1000 which I believe has the the 3 in1 built into it. If I want to run multiple sensors via indoors what sensor Im I looking for to display multiple sensors on the 2550 display? Sorry for all the questions.

Thanks,
tweatherman

Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 02, 2022, 06:38:06 PM
WH31B is not a known (to me) Ambient model or Ecowitt model. Except that the B stands for the Radio Frequency band.
But from the WH31 family (WH31 + WN30) 1-8 can be shown by the HP2550/2551 console and by by the GW1x00.
On the HP2551 console it/they would be shown together (cycling if activated) with the indoor T/H and the WH45 indoor T/H - maximum 10 extra T/H sensors - the right hand side two smaller color coded circles. See https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730.msg420959#msg420959
The GW1x00 console has indoor T/H/P sensors inbuilt, the HP2551 console not (hence the need for a WH32B).
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 02, 2022, 06:56:20 PM
Thanks for the reply. Will order the 2551C then that includes the WH32 sensor. The WH45 sensor is expensive and do not wish to run this sensor.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 06, 2022, 03:13:08 AM
Shipping Schedule:

Flash Sale and Super Early Bird Rewards will be shipped before February 28, 2022, the Early Bird&KS Special Reward will be shipped in March 2022.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 08, 2022, 04:40:58 AM
WS90 beta tester shipping schedule:
shipment announced today with tracking iD
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mauro63 on January 08, 2022, 09:30:49 AM
WS90 beta tester shipping schedule:
shipment announced today with tracking iD

Yes, confirmed  [tup]

M.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 11, 2022, 06:01:31 AM
From Ecowitt-Facebook

Wittboy (WS90) drizzle rain field test data:
There are four devices installed across different areas in the city of Shenzhen, and last night there is drizzling rain, and we recorded the four devices for comparing:

Reference WS90
#1 1.5mm 1.5mm
#2 2.9mm 2.2mm
#3 1.9mm 0.9mm
#4 2.0mm 0.9mm
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 11, 2022, 06:40:13 AM
From Ecowitt-Facebook

Wittboy (WS90) drizzle rain field test data:
There are four devices installed across different areas in the city of Shenzhen, and last night there is drizzling rain, and we recorded the four devices for comparing:

Reference WS90
#1 1.5mm 1.5mm
#2 2.9mm 2.2mm
#3 1.9mm 0.9mm
#4 2.0mm 0.9mm
I've seen that post also in the Italian forum.
What I don't fully understand are the two columns - are they both separate readings of the 4 WS90 at different times  ?
or is the 2nd column a comparision reading ? If so, which device was used for comparison ? A WH40 ?
And which column stands for which device ?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: box on January 11, 2022, 06:45:40 AM
From Ecowitt-Facebook

Wittboy (WS90) drizzle rain field test data:
There are four devices installed across different areas in the city of Shenzhen, and last night there is drizzling rain, and we recorded the four devices for comparing:

Reference WS90
#1 1.5mm 1.5mm
#2 2.9mm 2.2mm
#3 1.9mm 0.9mm
#4 2.0mm 0.9mm
I've seen that post also in the Italian forum.
What I don't fully understand are the two columns - are they both separate readings of the 4 WS90 at different times  ?
or is the 2nd column a comparision reading ? If so, which device was used for comparison ? A WH40 ?
And which column stands for which device ?
assuming
#location  col 1 is ref device and col2 WS90 it seems there is an under reading in drizzle except in location 1 of around 50%

I wonder what's different about location 1?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Mandrake on January 11, 2022, 10:20:43 AM
Be nice to know what the reference device is.
A manual gauge or a ecowitt WH40/68 tipping bucket sensor.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: hiljolodewijk on January 11, 2022, 12:26:50 PM
Let's wait for the device to be received by the beta testers, so we can make our own comparison  \:D/
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Rover1822 on January 11, 2022, 12:37:12 PM
I do agree, but someone put data out there without a decent explanation, well not at least for me.

I mean if this came from the developers, Kudos for being honest if it shows negative slanting results on accuracy.

I am curious. Granted, we are talking fractions of a mm, but still interested.

Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mauro63 on January 11, 2022, 04:28:35 PM
WS90, or Wittboy, will have a very powerful offset calibration section, completely at user's control, at different rain rate levels to assure the better accuracy performances
the data posted are not useful, I don't know what reference system was used, and, on a metrological view, are absolutely not useful

In the next few days, the beta testers start to receive their ws90, this will be the perfect step to understand if we are on the right way or not, what we need to improve, to change, etc

Until this moment, every supposition has a very low reliability

M.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: henry on January 12, 2022, 04:36:18 AM
Be nice to know what the reference device is.
A manual gauge or a ecowitt WH40/68 tipping bucket sensor.

The reference is wh40.   #1 ~ #4 are four devices installed, and as location is different, thus rainfall amount is not same. but for the same rain event.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 12, 2022, 10:12:30 AM
Be nice to know what the reference device is.
A manual gauge or a ecowitt WH40/68 tipping bucket sensor.

The reference is wh40.   #1 ~ #4 are four devices installed, and as location is different, thus rainfall amount is not same. but for the same rain event.
thanks henry  [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: eliteweathernz on January 12, 2022, 10:44:41 PM
My Wittboy should arrive early next week :)
Looking forward to it, Im a beta tester from New Zealand.

Ill be sure to share my thoughts and findings.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Mandrake on January 13, 2022, 04:27:58 AM
Likewise there will be quite a few of the seasoned folks on this forum in different parts of the world (aka different weather scenarios) testing the WS90.
Please be aware part of this testing will involve fine tuning the calibration etc
This is very much not a finished product yet so please don't jump to any conclusions from early comments posted about observations.
Its all about product development to make it the best it can be.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 13, 2022, 04:48:57 AM
Likewise there will be quite a few of the seasoned folks on this forum in different parts of the world (aka different weather scenarios) testing the WS90.
Please be aware part of this testing will involve fine tuning the calibration etc
This is very much not a finished product yet so please don't jump to any conclusions from early comments posted about observations.
Its all about product development to make it the best it can be.
Isn't the weather station factory calibrated?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: box on January 13, 2022, 08:59:21 AM
Likewise there will be quite a few of the seasoned folks on this forum in different parts of the world (aka different weather scenarios) testing the WS90.
Please be aware part of this testing will involve fine tuning the calibration etc
This is very much not a finished product yet so please don't jump to any conclusions from early comments posted about observations.
Its all about product development to make it the best it can be.
Isn't the weather station factory calibrated?
I assume this is more about tuning/training the various algorithms in a wide variety of situations

It wouldn't surprise me if this continues after the beta phase with retail customers

A bit like Tesla data collection from customers to train their autodrive software
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Mandrake on January 13, 2022, 09:27:42 AM
I shall be surprised if Ecowitt did not continue to fine tune the hardware and software.
This is something that they do as standard and do so in conjunction with their customers.
Better that they do this than throw out hardware and software and leave it as is sold for customers to lump or like!
I much prefer an evolutionary approach!
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 13, 2022, 05:27:09 PM
Does anyone have any idea other than rain what Ecowitt/Whitboy might try to manipulate via software algorithm(s)?

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Mandrake on January 14, 2022, 09:46:22 AM
Be careful what you mean by software algorithms.
As far as I know Ecowitt have no intention of going down a manipulation path like WeatherFlow for its data in the cloud.

When I talk of improvements I mean that Ecowitt will constantly be looking at the firmware code in their devices to more effectively measure the raw data.
They will be undertaking this inhouse and via feedback from testers and forum members alike.
This might also imply hardware revisions and we have observed iteration changes in their products where they have learned from the field about performance.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 14, 2022, 10:19:36 AM
Be careful what you mean by software algorithms.
As far as I know Ecowitt have no intention of going down a manipulation path like WeatherFlow for its data in the cloud.

When I talk of improvements I mean that Ecowitt will constantly be looking at the firmware code in their devices to more effectively measure the raw data.
They will be undertaking this inhouse and via feedback from testers and forum members alike.
This might also imply hardware revisions and we have observed iteration changes in their products where they have learned from the field about performance.
Examples for such improvements are the firmware update of the WS80 sensor array and a hardware revision of the WH65/WS69 array (here a special filter foil is now applied to the solar sensor).

And if algorithms serve better results then this "manipulation" is called calibration or correction etc.
E.g. there are meanwhile algorithms which can tell pretty exactly the sunshine duration from the raw solar radiation/luminosity readings which come pretty close to the results provided by a pyranometer. (Not talking about the rule of thumb that everything > 120 W/m2 is considered sunshine time).
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mauro63 on January 14, 2022, 11:28:51 AM
Perfect explain !
Ecowitt will NOT manipulate any data  on server sides

M.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mcrossley on January 14, 2022, 01:23:55 PM
(Not talking about the rule of thumb that everything > 120 W/m2 is considered sunshine time).
It's not a "rule of thumb", it is the definition of the required direct normal irradiation level for sunshine by the WMO.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: olicat on January 14, 2022, 01:36:06 PM
Hi Mark,

do you have proof, a link or something?
I also used this definition of sunshine for a long time.  But all I could say was "because everyone does it that way".
Do you have more?

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mcrossley on January 14, 2022, 01:43:02 PM
The WMO standard is hard to find since they updated their web site - read all my links are broken! But the jist from the standard is...
Quote
"Sunshine duration during a given period is defined as the sum of that sub-period for which the direct solar irradiance exceeds 120 W/m-2 "

To measure the measure the direct normal irradiation you will need a tracking pyrheliometer - good summary of them here: https://www.hukseflux.com/applications/solar-energy-pv-system-performance-monitoring/what-is-a-pyrheliometer
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mcrossley on January 14, 2022, 02:22:05 PM
Found a copy of the WMO measurement publication (definition at 8.1.1) - https://www.weather.gov/media/epz/mesonet/CWOP-WMO8.pdf
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: broadstairs on January 14, 2022, 03:32:58 PM
All weather stations I know of in the price ranges we normally work with that measure solar use global irradiation even Davis stations. There are some separate solar measuring devices which get very close to the direct measurement. For years now I've been correcting folks who say 120 w/m2 is sunny, glad to see it corrected here.

Some years ago I wrote a script to calculate expected solar max values for a location using global irradiation measurements and it formed the basis for what is used in a Weather Display for calculating when it is sunny.

Stuart
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Rover1822 on January 14, 2022, 03:52:33 PM
120 W/M^2 , is kind of sunny, probably also depends on location and season.
It is not full sun.

For instance , solar panels are rated at 1000 W/M^2 , which is like lab condition, (I know useless information ).
I always , for fun, not for metrics, look at whatever my stations say, vs my solar output, an do some weird mental math. (Efficiency coe , etc).

I am so off topic...




Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: davidefa on January 14, 2022, 04:17:36 PM
According to eq 8.3, page 1.8-4 of the above wmo document ( in the absence of a sun-tracking pyrheliometer, as we could compare a fixed horizontal solar sensor ) should be:
Code: [Select]
(G-D) >= 120*cos(z) W/m2i.e. we should take in consideration solar zenith angle too
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mcrossley on January 14, 2022, 04:20:08 PM
According to eq 8.3, page 1.8-4 of the above wmo document ( in the absence of a sun-tracking pyrheliometer, as we could compare a fixed horizontal solar sensor ) should be:
Code: [Select]
(G-D) >= 120*cos(z) W/m2i.e. we should take in consideration solar zenith angle too
That assumes you have a diffuse irradiation sensor as well as a global though. Sorry this is going way off topic!
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 14, 2022, 04:21:39 PM
120 W/m2 may be a standard, but still a ridiculous one in my opinion. It's still a rule of thumb.
You can easily have 200 W/m2 under cloud cover, so where is the sunshine ???

You want to be exact, you have to use either a pyrheliometer for direct solar irradiation or a pyranometer for global solar radiation - whatever you are looking for.
But the costs of these instruments are easily in the range of a Davis Vantage.
I prefer the data from my Blake-Larsen SunRecorder which mimics the reaction of the human eye and gives even Sunshine time readings during dust and dawn (when applicable).
And it is comparatively affordable for such an intelligent solution (160 EUR/135 GBP/180 USD). (And which CumulusMX supports  [tup]).

For me it is interesting when I as a person experience sunshine and not when a "stupid" formula defines it.
A number on a display alone is not going to enlighten my day.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: davidefa on January 14, 2022, 04:32:12 PM
That assumes you have a diffuse irradiation sensor as well as a global though. Sorry this is going way off topic!
Yes, but assuming ( even if not true ) the diffused component can be neglected, we should consider the cos(z) factor
Or in other words if we not consider the cos(z) we underestimate the sunshine duration measurement.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mcrossley on January 14, 2022, 04:35:38 PM
120 W/m2 may be a standard, but still a ridiculous one in my opinion. It's still a rule of thumb.
You can easily have 200 W/m2 under cloud cover, so where is the sunshine ???
You are confusing the values from global irradiation (what most amateurs measure) and direct normal irradiation (what a tracking pyrheliometer measures). They are very different.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 14, 2022, 04:40:49 PM
120 W/m2 may be a standard, but still a ridiculous one in my opinion. It's still a rule of thumb.
You can easily have 200 W/m2 under cloud cover, so where is the sunshine ???
Quote
... You are confusing the values from global irradiation (what most amateurs measure) and direct normal irradiation (what a tracking pyrheliometer measures)*. They are very different#.
* Do I ? "...You want to be exact, you have to use either a pyrheliometer for direct solar irradiation or a pyranometer for global solar radiation ..."
# Really ... ? \:D/

Anyhow, what counts for me is the human eye ...
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: havtrail on January 14, 2022, 07:22:48 PM
It's interesting that the solar panel on the weather station I run charges the battery at times when officially, by that WMO definition, there is not a "sunshine" condition.

Rich K.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 14, 2022, 11:23:24 PM
Just curious if anyone has insight to what temp/hum. sensor will be in the new station?

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: hiljolodewijk on January 15, 2022, 02:06:51 AM
Delivery scheduled for today 10 am (in about 2 hours). But 10 days out for holidays  #-o
So I'll have to wait before I can see/test it.. :-(
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mauro63 on January 15, 2022, 02:08:50 AM
Just curious if anyone has insight to what temp/hum. sensor will be in the new station?

Thanks,
tweatherman

Sensirion sht30 but ready for future upgrade

M.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 15, 2022, 03:50:27 AM
It's interesting that the solar panel on the weather station I run charges the battery at times when officially, by that WMO definition, there is not a "sunshine" condition.

Rich K.
How do you tell at which amount of solar radiation exposure the super-capacitor starts being charged ?
If it's a really good one (S-C), then it charges at low wattage/area.

What outdoor array do you have ?
Because, in fact, the batteries of the WH65/WS69, WS80, WS68 arrays (the Ambient WS-2000/5000/2902 outdoor arrays) are not charged. What is charged is a super-capacitor which can run the "station" (the outdoor sensor array - station = console + sensors) up to two days when not being reloaded after having been fully charged. It's only then that the batteries come in as a backup. This only occurs at special conditions (long[er] time not sufficient sun exposure, very cold - like during polar night as an extreme case).

Still, it would be interesting to know what minimum amount of wattage/m2 of global radiation is needed for the S-C to start being charged.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 15, 2022, 03:56:00 AM
Just curious if anyone has insight to what temp/hum. sensor will be in the new station?

Thanks,
tweatherman

Sensirion sht30 but ready for future upgrade

M.
Ciao Mauro. Are you sure?
The newest ws80 has the sht40, there is also a firmware update for this sensor https://osswww.ecowitt.net/uploads/20211223/WS80%20Upgrade(v1.2.0)%20Tool%20Kit.zip


Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: henry on January 15, 2022, 04:21:20 AM
Just curious if anyone has insight to what temp/hum. sensor will be in the new station?

Thanks,
tweatherman

The standard sensor will be sht40 ( the upgrade version of sht30). However it will be a sensor with sht35 sensor available for accessory part: it can be plug and play type, and it is easy to make this upgrade or change at user side if they want to have a better sensor.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 15, 2022, 04:23:37 AM
Just curious if anyone has insight to what temp/hum. sensor will be in the new station?

Thanks,
tweatherman

The standard sensor will be sht40 ( the upgrade version of sht30). However it will be a sensor with sht35 sensor available for accessory part: it can be plug and play type, and it is easy to make this upgrade or change at user side if they want to have a better sensor.
Do you mean like an external WH32-EP or as a replacement inside the WS90 unit ?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: henry on January 15, 2022, 04:30:13 AM
It's interesting that the solar panel on the weather station I run charges the battery at times when officially, by that WMO definition, there is not a "sunshine" condition.

Rich K.
How do you tell at which amount of solar radiation exposure the super-capacitor starts being charged ?
If it's a really good one (S-C), then it charges at low wattage/area.

What outdoor array do you have ?
Because, in fact, the batteries of the WH65/WS69, WS80, WS68 arrays (the Ambient WS-2000/5000/2902 outdoor arrays) are not charged. What is charged is a super-capacitor which can run the "station" (the outdoor sensor array - station = console + sensors) up to two days when not being reloaded after having been fully charged. It's only then that the batteries come in as a backup. This only occurs at special conditions (long[er] time not sufficient sun exposure, very cold - like during polar night as an extreme case).

Still, it would be interesting to know what minimum amount of wattage/m2 of global radiation is needed for the S-C to start being charged.

The solar level is not the point: when like 50w/m^2 radiation is there, it started charging the super cap but just with much less charging current, like 1mA or even less. So usually during the day, it takes about 2 ~ 3 hours to complete the supper cap recharging. But when the solar panel efficiency is getting less, then it will take a longer time to charge. But as long as the supper cap can be refilled up fully, then it should be fine.

On WS90, the super cap is twice bigger compared to ws80.  During rainy times, the rain circuit consumes like a 1.5mA current on average, so if it rains for months, then the battery power will be surely used.  There is a voltage meter same as ws80 on the dashboard, and it can be programmed to send an alert email for taking precautious actions.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: henry on January 15, 2022, 04:33:20 AM
Just curious if anyone has insight to what temp/hum. sensor will be in the new station?

Thanks,
tweatherman

The standard sensor will be sht40 ( the upgrade version of sht30). However it will be a sensor with sht35 sensor available for accessory part: it can be plug and play type, and it is easy to make this upgrade or change at user side if they want to have a better sensor.
Do you mean like an external WH32-EP or as a replacement inside the WS90 unit ?

EP sensor is too big, and it is not possible to be fit inside the shielding.  So we just hav the sensor changed to sht35 on the same sensor board. if it is needed, however, we can still make the sensor to be the same as the wh32 EP sensor: place it outside the sensor array. which way do you prefer?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 15, 2022, 05:04:59 AM
Just curious if anyone has insight to what temp/hum. sensor will be in the new station?

Thanks,
tweatherman

The standard sensor will be sht40 ( the upgrade version of sht30). However it will be a sensor with sht35 sensor available for accessory part: it can be plug and play type, and it is easy to make this upgrade or change at user side if they want to have a better sensor.
Do you mean like an external WH32-EP or as a replacement inside the WS90 unit ?

EP sensor is too big, and it is not possible to be fit inside the shielding.  So we just hav the sensor changed to sht35 on the same sensor board. if it is needed, however, we can still make the sensor to be the same as the wh32 EP sensor: place it outside the sensor array. which way do you prefer?
I think you answered my question - it's a replacement in the unit.

As for the WH32(-EP), I expect it to be useable as it can be done today, in the GW1x00, GW2000, HP2551 consoles I can activate it as a T/H sesnor and the console will prefer its readings over the WS90 inbuilt sensor. For an optimal placement for an outdoor temperature sensor a separate T/H sensor is anyway better.

As for the WH32-EP/WH31-EP in general, Ecowitt should think about offering two versions:
One with the cable length as is (1 m) and one with an extended cable length of two meters (as 1 m is often too short for a good placement of the sensor body).
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: mauro63 on January 15, 2022, 06:15:59 AM
Just curious if anyone has insight to what temp/hum. sensor will be in the new station?

Thanks,
tweatherman

Sensirion sht30 but ready for future upgrade

M.
Ciao Mauro. Are you sure?
The newest ws80 has the sht40, there is also a firmware update for this sensor https://osswww.ecowitt.net/uploads/20211223/WS80%20Upgrade(v1.2.0)%20Tool%20Kit.zip

Sorry, my mistake :(
M.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 15, 2022, 03:30:18 PM
Just curious if anyone has insight to what temp./ hum. sensor will be in the new station?

Thanks,
tweatherman

The standard sensor will be sht40 ( the upgrade version of sht30). However it will be a sensor with sht35 sensor available for accessory part: it can be plug and play type, and it is easy to make this upgrade or change at user side if they want to have a better sensor.
Do you mean like an external WH32-EP or as a replacement inside the WS90 unit ?

I was referring to stock oem temp.hum sensor inside the WS90 unit. What is the better sensor SHT35 or the SHT40?

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 15, 2022, 03:36:31 PM
the SHT40 is a newer version of the SHT30
the SHT35 is still more accurate - its correspondant new version would be the SHT45

Also, the SHT3x series is meant for industrial use, the SHT4x series for consumer electronics
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 15, 2022, 03:41:15 PM
the SHT40 is a newer version of the SHT30
the SHT35 is still more accurate - its correspondant new version would be the SHT45
Thanks Gyvate.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 15, 2022, 10:06:13 PM
Delivery scheduled for today 10 am (in about 2 hours). But 10 days out for holidays  #-o
So I'll have to wait before I can see/test it.. :-(
Have any idea who the carrier will be for delivery of this unit? Im thinking perhaps postal service.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 16, 2022, 03:34:56 AM
This depends on where you are located. The delivery into your country will be handled by Yun Express Logistics. The last mile carrier will depend on your location/country and with whom Yun Express have a cooperation - in Europe this is mainly DHL.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: hiljolodewijk on January 16, 2022, 03:39:26 AM
This depends on where you are located. The delivery into your country will be handled by Yun Express Logistics. The last mile carrier will depend on your location/country and with whom Yun Express have a cooperation - in Europe this is mainly DHL.

Yes, my WS90 was delivered yesterday with DHL (Netherlands)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 16, 2022, 03:41:30 AM
This depends on where you are located. The delivery into your country will be handled by Yun Express Logistics. The last mile carrier will depend on your location/country and with whom Yun Express have a cooperation - in Europe this is mainly DHL.

Yes, my WS90 was delivered yesterday with DHL (Netherlands)
To be precise, it was most likely not only a WS90 but a GW2001, a WS90 plus the GW2000 gateway.  8-)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: hiljolodewijk on January 16, 2022, 03:44:33 AM
To be precise, it was most likely not only a WS90 but a GW2001, a WS90 plus the GW2000 gateway.  8-)
Haha I don't know! I'm a week on holidays, and it was delivered yesterday, the first day that I'm not at home since months  #-o
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 17, 2022, 09:38:12 AM
My set arrived today. Unpacked - found that the charger plug for the GW2000 was UK type and not useable. I used a charger plug from one of my smart phone instead.
The GW2000 comes with an Ethernet port which made it (for me) easy to set it up.
It seems to be, however, that the Ehternet port is not used for posting data.
Data at ecowitt.net would only arrive after the WiFi/WLAN interface was activated. Before it showed offline - even though one minute posting was set.
It might still be a coincidence. If not, posting via the Ethernet port should be enabled !!
The web interface is the same as for the GW1100, only the firmware revision of the GW2000 is 2.1.0.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 17, 2022, 09:52:52 AM
My set arrived today. Unpacked - found that the charger plug for the GW2000 was UK type and not useable. I used a charger plug from one of my smart phone instead.
The GW2000 comes with an Ethernet port which made it (for me) easy to set it up.
It seems to be, however, that the Ehternet port is not used for posting data.
Data at ecowitt.net would only arrive after the WiFi/WLAN interface was activated. Before it showed offline - even though one minute posting was set.
It might still be a coincidence. If not, posting via the Ethernet port should be enabled !!
The web interface is the same as for the GW1100, only the firmware revision of the GW2000 is 2.1.0.
can you post the link to see the data online of the ws90 ? do you have a reference rain gauge for comparing the data?  [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 17, 2022, 09:57:04 AM
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231
But the/my WS90 and the/my WH40 cannot b e shown on the same dashboard - they are mutually exclusive.

Another observation:
the (GW1000) API of the GW2000 cannot be queried via the Ethernet IP address - only the WLAN interface works for that purpose. My weewx crashed with the eth0 address not receiving a response, while with the wlan0 address it works properly.
EDIT: that was some messed up communication between the GW2000 and my router - meanwhile settled - the Ethernet interface works properly (weewx can read data via it).
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 17, 2022, 10:05:17 AM
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231
But the/my WS90 and the/my WH40 cannot b e shown on the same dashboard - they are mutually exclusive.

Another observation:
the (GW1000) API of the GW2000 cannot be queried via the Ethernet IP address - only the WLAN interface works for that purpose. My weewx crashed with the eth0 address not receiving a response, while with the wlan0 address it works properly.
thanks so much! so the ethernet port is disable for now.
to read the wh40 i think you need a separate gw1000-1100. You can turn off the reception of the other sensors in the wsview ID screen
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 17, 2022, 10:33:33 AM
This depends on where you are located. The delivery into your country will be handled by Yun Express Logistics. The last mile carrier will depend on your location/country and with whom Yun Express have a cooperation - in Europe this is mainly DHL.
Crazy how my unit went from the US then to CA then back into the US for my destination in northern Michigan. Timeline is from bottom to top of list.

Arrived at Facility----Louisville
17 2022/01/16 22:02:12
Departed from Facility----Ontario
16 2022/01/15 09:47:10
Arrived at Facility----Ontario
15 2022/01/15 01:54:08
Departed from Facility----Los Angeles
14 2022/01/15 00:51:06
Origin Scan----Los Angeles
13 2022/01/14 15:22:04

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Mandrake on January 17, 2022, 10:40:19 AM
I have mine sitting on the kitchen table now.
Will try and get deployed to my mast next to the WS80 tomorrow if work permits.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 17, 2022, 10:53:50 AM
I have mine sitting on the kitchen table now.
Will try and get deployed to my mast next to the WS80 tomorrow if work permits.
take some photos  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 17, 2022, 01:14:38 PM
here a few pictures of the GW2000 gateway ...
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the text under the LEDs is blurry but even the normal print is not very clear
Blue: sensor link    red: server

diameter is 11 cm (4 inches)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 17, 2022, 01:16:36 PM
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231
But the/my WS90 and the/my WH40 cannot b e shown on the same dashboard - they are mutually exclusive.

Another observation:
the (GW1000) API of the GW2000 cannot be queried via the Ethernet IP address - only the WLAN interface works for that purpose. My weewx crashed with the eth0 address not receiving a response, while with the wlan0 address it works properly.
thanks so much! so the ethernet port is disable for now.
to read the wh40 i think you need a separate gw1000-1100. You can turn off the reception of the other sensors in the wsview ID screen
@giusCB: quite some of my console fleet already report different combinations of my sensors - including the WH40.
So its values are taken care of.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Rover1822 on January 17, 2022, 01:20:46 PM
Got my notification to send my info (address etc) , which I did , to Ecowitt for the Kickstarter flash sale. I did at the same time while supporting the flash sale , add addons, will be interesting if they show up.

I have to say they did provide very good instructions for those that are getting it from kickstarter. I was impressed.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: KC5JIM on January 17, 2022, 03:02:54 PM
This depends on where you are located. The delivery into your country will be handled by Yun Express Logistics. The last mile carrier will depend on your location/country and with whom Yun Express have a cooperation - in Europe this is mainly DHL.
Crazy how my unit went from the US then to CA then back into the US for my destination in northern Michigan. Timeline is from bottom to top of list.

Arrived at Facility----Louisville
17 2022/01/16 22:02:12
Departed from Facility----Ontario
16 2022/01/15 09:47:10
Arrived at Facility----Ontario
15 2022/01/15 01:54:08
Departed from Facility----Los Angeles
14 2022/01/15 00:51:06
Origin Scan----Los Angeles
13 2022/01/14 15:22:04

tweatherman

That's Ontario, California
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: KC5JIM on January 17, 2022, 03:24:37 PM
Got my notification to send my info (address etc) , which I did , to Ecowitt for the Kickstarter flash sale. I did at the same time while supporting the flash sale , add addons, will be interesting if they show up.

I have to say they did provide very good instructions for those that are getting it from kickstarter. I was impressed.

I just sent in my information as well. I'm also expecting the power supply add on.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 17, 2022, 04:20:28 PM
here a few pictures of the GW2000 gateway ...
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the text under the LEDs is blurry but even the normal print is not very clear
Blue: sensor link    red: server

diameter is 11 cm (4 inches)
Thanks for the pics.
Interesting that GW2000 looks like it has a 3in1 probe with it. I was under the assumption that I needed to order the WH32 indoor sensor with the 2551 display console so I have both coming.
WH32 will be useless to display on the console then since Im sure the sensor from the GW2000 will take presidency for indoor conditions on console?

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 17, 2022, 05:06:09 PM
The GW2000 console has inbuilt T/H/P sensors. When you say WH32, you probably mean a WH32B T/H/P indoor sensor combo (as the WH32 is the outdoor T/H sensor). For the HP2551 console the WH32B T/H/P indoor sensor is needed as the HP2551 console doesn't have an inbuilt indoor T/H/P sensor.
The GW2000 console and the HP2551 console are completely independent from each other - they can both receive the WS90 7-in-1 array. (HP2551 with device firmware 1.7.7). The HP2551 can receive a WH32B, but the HP2551 cannot receive the readings of the GW2000 inbuilt T/H/P sensor(s). And the GW2000 (GW1100) cannot receive a WH32B.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 17, 2022, 05:38:33 PM
The GW2000 console has inbuilt T/H/P sensors. When you say WH32, you probably mean a WH32B T/H/P indoor sensor combo (as the WH32 is the outdoor T/H sensor). For the HP2551 console the WH32B T/H/P indoor sensor is needed as the HP2551 console doesn't have an inbuilt indoor T/H/P sensor.
The GW2000 console and the HP2551 console are completely independent from each other - they can both receive the WS90 7-in-1 array. (HP2551 with device firmware 1.7.7). The HP2551 can receive a WH32B, but the HP2551 cannot receive the readings of the GW2000 inbuilt T/H/P sensor(s). And the GW2000 (GW1100) cannot receive a WH32B.
Thanks fo the clarification on this Gyvate. I would have thought Ecowitt would have the GW2000 3in1 inside probe communicate to the 2551 display console.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 17, 2022, 07:11:53 PM
Got my notification to send my info (address etc) , which I did , to Ecowitt for the Kickstarter flash sale. I did at the same time while supporting the flash sale , add addons, will be interesting if they show up.

I have to say they did provide very good instructions for those that are getting it from kickstarter. I was impressed.

I just sent in my information as well. I'm also expecting the power supply add on.
Thanks for the clarification on the shipping.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 18, 2022, 04:56:10 AM
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231
But the/my WS90 and the/my WH40 cannot be shown on the same dashboard - they are mutually exclusive.

Another observation:
the (GW1000) API of the GW2000 cannot be queried via the Ethernet IP address - only the WLAN interface works for that purpose. My weewx crashed with the eth0 address not receiving a response, while with the wlan0 address it works properly.
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231 GW2001 = GW2000 + WS90
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=27607 HP2553 = HP2551 + WS80 + WH40

light rain forecast for tomorrow, day after tomorrow here - let's see what it gives

regarding the GW2000 ethernet interface - I have posted a suggestion for making it fully functional in the ecowitt.com forum (post still under revision by their forum admins)
EDIT: my router and the GW2000 seem to have tricked me - using a different static IP address for my GW2000 made it working - so it looks as if the eth0 interface is fully functional.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 18, 2022, 07:31:56 AM
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231
But the/my WS90 and the/my WH40 cannot b e shown on the same dashboard - they are mutually exclusive.

Another observation:
the (GW1000) API of the GW2000 cannot be queried via the Ethernet IP address - only the WLAN interface works for that purpose. My weewx crashed with the eth0 address not receiving a response, while with the wlan0 address it works properly.
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231 GW2001 = GW2000 + WS90
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=34418 HP2553 = HP2551 + WS80 + WH40

light rain forecast for tomorrow, day after tomorrow here - let's see what it gives

regarding the GW2000 ethernet interface - I have posted a suggestion for making it fully functional in the ecowitt.com forum (post still under revision by their forum admins)
On the dashboard I read Wh65, not WH40. Is correct?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 18, 2022, 11:50:39 AM
There was a copy-and-paste error - I corrected the link in the post above
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 18, 2022, 12:02:08 PM
There was a copy-and-paste error - I corrected the link in the post above
thank you very much, can we see a photo of the setup?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 18, 2022, 12:03:51 PM
As soon as my bi-furcated mast end arrives and both the WH40 and the WS90 are mounted, yes !  :-)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Mandrake on January 18, 2022, 12:16:40 PM
I quite like the GW2000, its like a little UFO is on the desk.
At night time the plastic is semi transparent and the whole thing glows a light blue!

I'll post a photo of my WS90 on its mount tomorrow when I get a chance. I meant to take a photo today but was rushing around trying to keep on top of work calls and e-mails at the same time as playing with the GW2000 and WS90!
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Rover1822 on January 18, 2022, 12:53:27 PM
You know people are going to complain about it glowing and obstructing something , or being annoying...  :-P
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: box on January 18, 2022, 12:57:44 PM
You know people are going to complain about it glowing and obstructing something , or being annoying...  :-P

How about some gentle pulsing or flashing...... [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 18, 2022, 12:59:25 PM
You know people are going to complain about it glowing and obstructing something , or being annoying...  :-P

How about some gentle pulsing or flashing...... [tup]
not to forget the hidden levitating feature ...  \:D/
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: box on January 18, 2022, 04:18:24 PM
You know people are going to complain about it glowing and obstructing something , or being annoying...  :-P

How about some gentle pulsing or flashing...... [tup]
not to forget the hidden levitating feature ...  \:D/
...and suitably ethereal sound effect..... :-"
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Mandrake on January 19, 2022, 06:21:06 AM
Here's a rather poor photo of the WS90 amongst my other Ecowitt sensors.
The lens has made it all appear flat so I will try and get a better photo later.
No rain yet so unable to draw any comparisons and wind speeds comparable to WS80 but only light winds so hard to draw any conclusions.

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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 19, 2022, 12:34:23 PM
my setup ...
WH40 and WS90 on one level to make rain readings comparable
WH65/WS69, WS80 also visible
they may only look tilted on the photo - their are levelled  8-)

Some drizzle has started - first readings coming in  :-)

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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Rover1822 on January 19, 2022, 01:06:22 PM
No concern about certain readings being influenced by the obstruction of other sensors so close?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: davidefa on January 19, 2022, 01:07:27 PM
@Mandrake
Seems you received the wrong sensor, it should be FattBoy ( the cousin of WittBoy )
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 19, 2022, 01:21:39 PM
No concern about certain readings being influenced by the obstruction of other sensors so close?
Maybe the perspective gives a wrong impression - the distance (horizontally - projected on the ground) is imo sufficient
The distance e.g. between WH40 and WS90 is 1.25 m (49 inches)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 19, 2022, 03:51:17 PM
Here's a rather poor photo of the WS90 amongst my other Ecowitt sensors.
The lens has made it all appear flat so I will try and get a better photo later.
No rain yet so unable to draw any comparisons and wind speeds comparable to WS80 but only light winds so hard to draw any conclusions.

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The reference is the ws65?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Mandrake on January 20, 2022, 03:40:48 AM
Here's a rather poor photo of the WS90 amongst my other Ecowitt sensors.
The lens has made it all appear flat so I will try and get a better photo later.
No rain yet so unable to draw any comparisons and wind speeds comparable to WS80 but only light winds so hard to draw any conclusions.

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The reference is the ws65?

Yes, the Tri-Wing WH65 is the prime reference for wind and rain.
However I have more than one GW1000 so I can compare the WS80 wind readings with the WS90 also!
Unfortunately at present we are right under high pressure and so very benign calm weather for some time.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 20, 2022, 04:49:43 AM
the wh65 overestimate by +25%. Remember to set an offset on rain gauge
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 20, 2022, 05:49:27 AM
the wh65 overestimate by +25%. Remember to set an offset on rain gauge
The 25% don't show in my weewx database where the real floating point values (multiples of 0.254 mm) are stored and not the rounded values on the console and maybe also on the graphs. My WH65 readings (weewx) match pretty well with two manual rain gauges. Observed that for some time. And, it depends very much on the type and amount of rain plus the rain rate per minute (not per hour, not reliable). With drizzle and little rain my WH65 rather underreads.
But I don't want to open a can of worms here ...  8-)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 20, 2022, 05:50:14 AM
 [tup] [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 21, 2022, 11:43:44 AM
Out of curiosity can GW1000 and GW2000 connect to the same WiFi router at the same time?

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: olicat on January 21, 2022, 11:46:07 AM
Hi!

Quote
can GW1000 and GW2000 connect to the same WiFi router at the same time?
I did not test this yet but why not?
Here are 2 GW1000, 1 GW1100 a HP3501 and a HP2551 all in the same WIFI.
Where do you expect problems?

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Rover1822 on January 21, 2022, 11:54:21 AM
I can't imagine there being an issue, network protocol just doesn't work that way.

Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: hiljolodewijk on January 21, 2022, 12:35:52 PM
Out of curiosity can GW1000 and GW2000 connect to the same WiFi router at the same time?

This works without problems (in my case).
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 21, 2022, 04:41:47 PM
Out of curiosity can GW1000 and GW2000 connect to the same WiFi router at the same time?

This works without problems (in my case).
Thanks...I was just curious if anyone has had any issues.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: KC5JIM on January 21, 2022, 05:27:01 PM
Out of curiosity can GW1000 and GW2000 connect to the same WiFi router at the same time?

Thanks,
tweatherman

Yes. You can connect as many of each as you want and each will have a unique IP address.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 21, 2022, 05:42:04 PM
Out of curiosity can GW1000 and GW2000 connect to the same WiFi router at the same time?

Thanks,
tweatherman

Yes. You can connect as many of each as you want and each will have a unique IP address.
Not quite - this depends on the size of your subnet  \:D/ - minus the number of other devices in your network.  8-)
But virtually, for (most) practical purposes, as many as you want ...
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: KC5JIM on January 21, 2022, 05:53:19 PM
Out of curiosity can GW1000 and GW2000 connect to the same WiFi router at the same time?

Thanks,
tweatherman

Yes. You can connect as many of each as you want and each will have a unique IP address.
Not quite - this depends on the size of your subnet  \:D/ - minus the number of other devices in your network.  8-)
But virtually, for (most) practical purposes, as many as you want ...

Setup a /16 subnet and help yourself to up to 65,534 devices. I think, for all practical purposes, that qualifies as unlimited.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 21, 2022, 06:05:16 PM
Out of curiosity can GW1000 and GW2000 connect to the same WiFi router at the same time?

Thanks,
tweatherman

Yes. You can connect as many of each as you want and each will have a unique IP address.
Not quite - this depends on the size of your subnet  \:D/ - minus the number of other devices in your network.  8-)
But virtually, for (most) practical purposes, as many as you want ...

Setup a /16 subnet and help yourself to up to 65,534 devices. I think, for all practical purposes, that qualifies as unlimited.
Why so humble ?   :?:  Only /16 ...  :roll: I'm disappointed  :shock:- why not /12 or /8 ??  (even though usual private subnets are /24 and "bigger" number = smaller).
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: olicat on January 21, 2022, 06:18:10 PM
Hi!

In fact, I ran into serious problems recently with my DHCP range of 55 addresses (I work a lot with static addresses). Precisely because no more free address was available!
Unfortunately, I can not assign a static address with the Ecowitt devices - so I had to increase my DHCP range significantly.
But I also only use a 24 network here. Time for change?
;-)

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 21, 2022, 06:29:37 PM
The DHCP range was one issue I ran into when pairing a GW1000/WH2650 console; the console wouldn't pair as it wouldn't receive an IP address from the DHCP server in the router - but this range can be changed. 252 addresses in a 255.255.255.0 (or /24) subnet (255 - standard addresses for gateway(s), broadcast etc.) should be enough in most private networks and the DHCP range can be set from e.g. 150-250, usually enough for devices which need an IP address via DHCP. The new GW2000 can finally have a static IP assigned. [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: olicat on January 21, 2022, 06:52:04 PM
Hi!

Quote
The new GW2000 can finally have a static IP assigned.
Nice!
Thanks for info and thanks to LAN-port!
Or is the WIFI port also configurable to static address?

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 21, 2022, 07:09:49 PM
No, only the Ehternet port eth0.
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on January 21, 2022, 08:04:10 PM
Running into a problem with GW2000 is uploading to Ecowitt.net but the app keeps switching IP addresses 192.168.1.4 to 192.168.1.00. Do I need to change the default gateway IP address in the GW2000 setup page in order to be able to talk to the GW2000 via the app?
Update: I got it working by changing the default gateway IP address.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 24, 2022, 11:40:41 AM
first rain-data show a massive underestimate but i'm to be honest ...so far I have not seen a single installation done well. To test the rain gauges they must be on the same level and not in different positions and with a good manual rain gauge as reference.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 24, 2022, 11:46:33 AM
first rain-data show a massive underestimate but i'm to be honest ...so far I have not seen a single installation done well. To test the rain gauges they must be on the same level and not in different positions and with a good manual rain gauge as reference.
maybe you are blind  #-o - or didn't look properly  ;) - my installation is WS90 and WH40 levelled and at the same height above ground, and I have two manual rain gauges in place.
I posted a picture of the WH40/WS90 setup - and commented that the picture perspective might give the idea that they are not at the same level - but they are.
So I think I'm well set.

Maybe it's the Italian English  ;) - you might want to explain what exactly you mean by "installation done well" (or not done well). Do you mean "set up" or do you mean the performance of the rain gauges ...
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Autofill on January 26, 2022, 11:08:32 AM
just got my updated order email now showing that I purchased the PowerPack (plus the GW2001) with 2 items total. It doesn't show the bird spike gift though. Anyone get all the items, yet?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 27, 2022, 08:07:05 AM
Another test today with very light rain, in nederland   :?
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-47%
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: hiljolodewijk on January 27, 2022, 08:10:49 AM
Hey, thats my data! :shock: ;)

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I summarized it in one graph. As you can see, the WS90 'misses' quit a lot of rain (dark blue is WS90, light blue is WH40 as a reference). IMO it isn't sensitive enough (WH40: 1.9mm, WS90: 1.0mm).
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 27, 2022, 08:11:46 AM
Hey, thats my data! :shock: ;)

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I summarized it in one graph. As you can see, the WS90 'misses' quit a lot of rain. IMO it isn't sensitive enough (WH40: 1.9mm, WS90: 1.0mm).
Much better this graph
Thank you for the data  [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on January 27, 2022, 08:31:19 AM
in my current situation, temperatures around the freezing point, and a slight drizzle, my WS90 shows 0.3 mm rainfall while the WH40 shows nothing - probably frozen.

I just climbed up and made a visual check:
there is a little ice lump at the of the debris protection spiral. Also, the surface of the funnel is covered by tiny droplets which will probably evaporate in the wind before forming a bigger drop and can be counted.

Looks like this situation is managed better by the WS90 than by the WH40. A few days ago in stronger drizzle the WS90 and the WH40 came up with the same result (0.7 mm) at the end of the day, but the distribution over time was very different for both sensors.
links:
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=27607 - HP2551 + WH40
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231 - GW2000 + WS90


At a third occasion the WS90 underperformed by a few 1/10 of mm.

Stronger and longer rain didn't occur yet.
Also not strong and very strong rain where the WH40 starts underperforming significantly.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: box on January 27, 2022, 08:43:44 AM
in my current situation, temperatures around the freezing point, and a slight drizzle, my WS90 shows 0.3 mm rainfall while the WH40 shows nothing - probably frozen.

I just climbed up and made a visual check:
there is a little ice lump at the of the debris protection spiral. Also, the surface of the funnel is covered by tiny droplets which will probably evaporate in the wind before forming a bigger drop and can be counted.

Looks like this situation is managed better by the WS90 than by the WH40. A few days ago in stronger drizzle the WS90 and the WH40 came up with the same result (0.7 mm) at the end of the day, but the distribution over time was very different for both sensors.
links:
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=27607 - HP2551 + WH40
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231 - GW2000 + WS90


At a third occasion the WS90 underperformed by a few 1/10 of mm.

Stronger and longer rain didn't occur yet.
Also not strong and very strong rain where the WH40 starts underperforming significantly.
presumably a solution night be a situation where each corrects for the other depending on the context?

So where would that algorithm be? Within ecowitt net?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 27, 2022, 09:40:12 AM
Hey, thats my data! :shock: ;)

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I summarized it in one graph. As you can see, the WS90 'misses' quit a lot of rain (dark blue is WS90, light blue is WH40 as a reference). IMO it isn't sensitive enough (WH40: 1.9mm, WS90: 1.0mm).
but the good news is the rain rate very similar,  it's a good base on where to work  
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on January 30, 2022, 06:01:13 AM
Hey, thats my data! :shock: ;)

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I summarized it in one graph. As you can see, the WS90 'misses' quit a lot of rain (dark blue is WS90, light blue is WH40 as a reference). IMO it isn't sensitive enough (WH40: 1.9mm, WS90: 1.0mm).
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on February 01, 2022, 04:33:20 AM
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another days of rain, thanks hiljolodewijk for the graph. in italy the beta test datas are private, we cannot read  :lol:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: hiljolodewijk on February 01, 2022, 06:05:37 AM
Haha I don't need to update you guys anymore. Giuseppe does all the work =D>

For anyone interested, I made a page where all measurements of the WS90 are compared to the other sensors (WH32 temp/hum and WS40 rain and WS80 wind):
https://www.weerstationmarsdijk.nl/ws90beta.php (for the graps from 0.00 AM till now)
https://www.weerstationmarsdijk.nl/ws90beta.php?interval=24 (for 24 hour lookback)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: olicat on February 01, 2022, 06:23:45 AM
Hi!

Very nice. This is the first real comparison I've seen here. Thanks for that!

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on February 01, 2022, 06:30:48 AM
some statistics down here:
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the 1-Feb line may still change until the end of the day  8-)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: hiljolodewijk on February 01, 2022, 06:35:55 AM
Thanks for your compliment. I don't wanted to compare only the rain, but also the temp, hum, wind, solar, etc. The haptic rain sensors are quit difficult to understand though..
Now for example, we have a constant very light drizzle, and that's not measured (almost none). When we have moderate/heavy rain, it is overrated, and the values are too high.

Also the solar radiation is very different to the WS80.

I don't have a manual reference for rain or solar radiation, so the comparisons are quite 'relative'. None of them could be the real truth.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on February 01, 2022, 06:45:54 AM
My WS90 is mainly set up for rain measurements. I. e. 2m above ground as per recommendation of DWD (1,5-2m).

My WS80 is much higher up.
Differences in wind measurements are therefore very likely to occur.
I also noticed differences in the solar radiation measurements (delta + 20 W/m2), but they again have different exposure at this time of the year due to my location. For such observations April-September would be a better time period.
So, comparisions for wind and solar will come about later.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: davidefa on February 01, 2022, 06:46:34 AM
@hiljolodewijk
Great comparison page... may I suggest:
- adding a zoom to the charts ( as it is done with highcharts: chart: { zoomType: 'x' } )
- adding a 'startdate' parameter to the page ( so that ??interval=24&startdate=2022-01-28 00:00:00 show only one day data )

P.S.
Only small differences from these preliminary data:
- with light rain ( to be expected, as it is difficult bo be detected )
- with higher rain rate ( maybe only a recalibration after full testing )
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: hiljolodewijk on February 01, 2022, 06:54:58 AM
@hiljolodewijk
Great comparison page... may I suggest:
- adding a zoom to the charts ( as it is done with highcharts: chart: { zoomType: 'x' } )
- adding a 'startdate' parameter to the page ( so that ??interval=24&startdate=2022-01-28 00:00:00 show only one day data )

Regarding the first, this was already possible (although I didn't tell you  ;))
https://www.weerstationmarsdijk.nl/ws90beta.php?historical_date=2022-01-29

Added Zoom X. By dragging the mouse on the graph you can zoom in to that part.
Also clicking the items in the legenda disables/enables the values. Sometimes handy to exclude the total rain calculations to only see the rain intensity.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: olicat on February 01, 2022, 07:39:57 AM
Hi hiljolodewijk,

are you able to integrate the min & max of these sensors and the delta?
Something like the temperature comparison attached.

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: hiljolodewijk on February 01, 2022, 07:52:01 AM
It is all stored in a MySQL database. So yes it is possible (calculate the diff), but currently not regarding the time. If i have some time left, I can see what I can do. But it also brings scripting and some graph adjustments sometimes.

Why do you want to see the mins/maxs/delta's?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on February 01, 2022, 08:23:01 AM
This is a good manual rain gauge
TFA 47.1008
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on February 01, 2022, 08:38:38 AM
This is a good manual rain gauge
TFA 47.1008
[tup]
I'm using two:
47.1008 and 47.1001
1008 is my Man1 and 1001 is my Man2 in my table
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: giusCB on February 02, 2022, 05:14:49 AM

Now for example, we have a constant very light drizzle, and that's not measured (almost none). When we have moderate/heavy rain, it is overrated, and the values are too high.
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this trend seems to be present on the other online stations as well, but these are only first impressions... they should be confirmed with other datas  [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on February 02, 2022, 12:57:31 PM
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EDIT: end-of-day update
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: tweatherman on February 02, 2022, 09:38:29 PM
Just curious how the temperature and humidity are tracking in the new stations radiation shield compared to other ones? Havent had a chance to mount mine yet do to snow and windy conditions here.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: hiljolodewijk on February 03, 2022, 01:39:48 AM
See my page.
Only this is a comparison between the WS32 1 meter lower in the shadow and the WS90.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on February 03, 2022, 03:02:28 AM
Just curious how the temperature and humidity are tracking in the new stations radiation shield compared to other ones? Havent had a chance to mount mine yet do to snow and windy conditions here.

Thanks,
tweatherman
I think for that it's not the right season yet for stations mounted in Europe. Would need to be > April with long(er), hot sunny days ...
Right now it (the performance) is +/- 0.1 C compared with my WH65, WS80, WH32-EP, but I wouldn't consider this as solid results ...
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: davidefa on February 03, 2022, 03:49:31 AM
Sorry to bother you... but:
- with separate tooltips it is quite difficult to see values for both curves (  'tooltip: { shared: true }' should solve this, see demo (https://jsfiddle.net/gh/get/library/pure/highcharts/highcharts/tree/master/samples/highcharts/tooltip/shared-true/) )
- solar radiation graph 'does not understand' the interval parameter

P.S.
Quite strange wind bearing from yesterday 18:00:
- ws80 shows an average  north bearing
- ws90 shows an average south bearing
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on February 03, 2022, 09:03:42 AM
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EDIT: wrong picture inserted, now replaced
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: BliXem on February 03, 2022, 09:50:23 AM
So, the GW2001 really worth it to buy? I've got the Tempest weatherstation, but not happy about it. Much unaccurate rain, and I also got a problem with jet fighters which are flying low here which triggers rain. Like today, two jet fighters did come by to see the weatherstation (ofc not) and there was 1.8mm rain fallen. Well that's not true ofcourse.

But when I buy the GW2001, I think I will get the same results...?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on February 03, 2022, 10:37:15 AM
Difficult to say ...
The FineOffset/Ecowitt approach to haptic rain detection is different from (and as it seems more sphisticated than) the Tempest approach. But imo it still needs more testing and improvement of the algorithms used in the firmware.
That's the main purpose of this beta test to collect data from as many as possible scenarios through all variations of possible rainfall situations. I guess (but that's an assumption only) that the medium, strong and very strong scenarios (in all their variations) are already pretty well covered.

Where it needs more improvement is the very low, low through medium rainfall range. Whether the -test results will end up in a hardware change, I'd rather doubt, but I don't want to exclude it. The hardware basis is already more sophisticated than the Tempest approach [which would detect sonar wave only disturbances like your fighter jets and discard them] and not dependent on neighbour stations for calibration either. (AI cannot do everything  8-) ).

Still, for the time being, if you are in a hurry to get a new station, you are probably better off with a WS80 + WH40 + WH32(-EP) and a matching console of your choice (GW2000, GW1100, HP2551, WN19x0): e.g. the HP2553, GW1103 stations.
Otherwise I would wait for the results of the -test and resulting updates in the WS90 firmware before getting me a WS90. But in general the piece is promising.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on February 03, 2022, 10:45:40 AM
Just edited the original post/thread name including/encompassing the -test which has meanwhile become the main topic in this thread
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: BliXem on February 03, 2022, 10:48:51 AM
Difficult to say ...
The FineOffset/Ecowitt approach to haptic rain detection is different from (and as it seems more sphisticated than) the Tempest approach. But imo it still needs more testing and improvement of the algorithms used in the firmware.
That's the main purpose of this beta test to collect data from as many as possible scenarios through all variations of possible rainfall situations. I guess (but that's an assumption only) that the medium, strong and very strong scenarios (in all their variations) are already pretty well covered.

Where it needs more improvement is the very low, low through medium rainfall range. Whether the -test results will end up in a hardware change, I'd rather doubt, but I don't want to exclude it. The hardware basis is already more sophisticated than the Tempest approach [which would detect sonar wave only disturbances like your fighter jets and discard them] and not dependent on neighbour stations for calibration either. (AI cannot do everything  8-) ).

Still, for the time being, if you are in a hurry to get a new station, you are probably better off with a WS80 + WH40 + WH32(-EP) and a matching console of your choice (GW2000, GW1100, HP2551, WN19x0): e.g. the HP2553, GW1103 stations.
Otherwise I would wait for the results of the -test and resulting updates in the WS90 firmware before getting me a WS90. But in general the piece is promising.

Thanks for your response! :) Well I will wait then. I want to replace the Tempest and add the GW2001 with the lightning detector. Do you know if one of the two consoles are working with this new weatherstation?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: Gyvate on February 03, 2022, 10:55:28 AM
Difficult to say ...
The FineOffset/Ecowitt approach to haptic rain detection is different from (and as it seems more sphisticated than) the Tempest approach........

Thanks for your response! :) Well I will wait then. I want to replace the Tempest and add the GW2001 with the lightning detector. Do you know if one of the two consoles are working with this new weatherstation?
The WS90 7-in-1 outdoor sensor array (the station name is GW2001 and it consists of the displayless console/gateway GW2000 and the outdoor array WS90) can be received (so far, firmware updates may increase the number of stations able to receive it also) by the HP2551, GW1000, GW1100, GW2000, HP350x and WN19x0 consoles.
And they can all receive the signal of the WH57 lightning detector.
See also our matrix at
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730.0
which we try to keep up-to-date as real-time as possible.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter
Post by: BliXem on February 03, 2022, 11:08:53 AM
Difficult to say ...
The FineOffset/Ecowitt approach to haptic rain detection is different from (and as it seems more sphisticated than) the Tempest approach........

Thanks for your response! :) Well I will wait then. I want to replace the Tempest and add the GW2001 with the lightning detector. Do you know if one of the two consoles are working with this new weatherstation?
The WS90 7-in-1 outdoor sensor array (the station name is GW2001 and it consists of the displayless console/gateway GW2000 and the outdoor array WS90) can be received (so far, firmware updates may increase the number of stations able to receive it also) by the HP2551, GW1000, GW1100, GW2000, HP350x and WN19x0 consoles.
And they can all receive the signal of the WH57 lightning detector.
See also our matrix at
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730.0
which we try to keep up-to-date as real-time as possible.

Aight, thanks! Like the Tempest, there is no accurate forcasting (not based on the barometer) right?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on February 03, 2022, 11:14:29 AM
a) the GW2000/GW1x00 are diplayless consoles and gateways
b) the WN19x0 consoles (x=0 "black" and white, x=1 coloured display) are rather cheap but do NOT show solar radiation and UV
c) the HP2551 is the flagship, big, coloured display which also shows weather forecast based on barometric observations
for a picture of the main display: https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730.0
page down to HP2551 console
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on February 04, 2022, 03:23:07 AM
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last line will be updated towards end of the day
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Mandrake on February 04, 2022, 08:47:19 AM
So far my WS90 is consistently under reporting rain fall or not even detecting light rain.
Today we had quite heavy rain for the first time in several months and the tri-Wing recorded 5.6mm versus the WS90 at 2.8mm

I also suspect that the wind direction is wrong, but have not looked too hard at that yet.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on February 04, 2022, 08:54:24 AM
So this does not bode well with only 2 people reporting with very similar data, also 2 respected people with data that can be believed.

Here we go again :(
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on February 04, 2022, 10:03:17 AM
I also suspect that the wind direction is wrong, but have not looked too hard at that yet.

I had this too. I took the WS90 inside and pressed the CAL button for 5 seconds and waited until the blue light was off.
Now it is OK!
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on February 04, 2022, 10:57:23 AM
i think is quite normal for a beta product with this innovative technology on rain gauge. we'll see if fineoffset wants to make new updates/improvements
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on February 04, 2022, 12:29:50 PM
So this does not bode well with only 2 people reporting with very similar data, also 2 respected people with data that can be believed.

Here we go again :(

Not so down ;-) I agree, FineOffset doesn't do a beta if they don't think there is any room for improvement. I hope they take our results serious, and adjust the device as far as they can push it. Every setup had its own pro's and con's. I can imagine that if they can get close to the real values (rain, wind, temp, etc.) in one device, for consumers this a wanna have. An all-in-one device who can measure the most general weather values.

For us, we are the heavy users, and want to have the exact values. My parents however, don't care if it the rain value would differ 0.5mm from the real value  ;)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on February 04, 2022, 12:35:44 PM
I am thinking of all the people that bought the units on Kickstarter, a lot of them if you look at their proceeds , typically not thought of as a beta.

Or at least not mentioned as such. I do hope the units are field upgradable by an end user.

 

Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on February 04, 2022, 12:52:03 PM
I am thinking of all the people that bought the units on Kickstarter, a lot of them if you look at their proceeds , typically not thought of as a beta.

Or at least not mentioned as such. I do hope the units are field upgradable by an end user.
Supposedly the temperature/humidity sensor in the unit SHT40 is upgradable to the SHT35.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Mandrake on February 04, 2022, 01:00:58 PM
I am not down on this.
I know the values are not great but that's the intention of beta trials to see how they perform in the field. I will expect that the firmware will get adjusted on the basis of the field trials with the varied conditions they are being subjected to.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on February 04, 2022, 01:05:17 PM
As you have one, and I am ignorant , and awaiting mine, is there a method to upgrade the firmware? on the sensors I mean
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on February 04, 2022, 01:14:05 PM
As you have one, and I am ignorant , and awaiting mine, is there a method to upgrade the firmware? on the sensors I mean

Then please don't jump into conclusions too quickly. Yes, the device is upgradable the same way as the WS80 is.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on February 04, 2022, 01:30:34 PM
Please, don't take me the wrong way. It was partly humor.
It is just more questions that will have to be answered in here.
We had a huge debacle on the accuracy of the WH40 , and I am just seeing that coming up again.
I may be putting the cart before horse on this one, but it is for those reading to get a grip on what they may see.

Also, please understand, that quite a few people will be unsatisfied with the unit if it is erroneous on reporting. I would say most of which don't even read here.

But, sure, I am ready to receive mine and put it through its paces.

Rover

Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on February 04, 2022, 04:31:00 PM
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diffferent rain pattern (higher rain rate) - different results, the WS90 is catching up
see
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=27607
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on February 05, 2022, 10:19:17 AM
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on February 05, 2022, 03:59:32 PM
there is also a problem with the anemometer, it record wind also if it closed in a box.
there are several reports on facebook of this problem. Here is an example https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=75181#
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on February 05, 2022, 04:03:46 PM
The calibration button solved this for my device (as I already told in the Facebook group)  ;)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: eliteweathernz on February 05, 2022, 05:54:59 PM
Ive noticed the wind issue too.
Ive tried calibrating using the Cal Button on both my WS80 and WS90/wittboy and Ive still got a 1-3kmh higher reading on WS90 than WS80.
Direction is near enough for my purposes.

Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on February 05, 2022, 06:04:47 PM
The calibration button solved this for my device (as I already told in the Facebook group)  ;)
So calibration is necessary out of the box? Can it be done while GW2000 WiFi unit is on? Any other tips Im sure helpful to other users.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on February 06, 2022, 04:06:05 AM
The calibration button solved this for my device (as I already told in the Facebook group)  ;)
So calibration is necessary out of the box? Can it be done while GW2000 WiFi unit is on? Any other tips Im sure helpful to other users.

Thanks,
tweatherman
ecowitt don't talk with beta tester?  :?:
Here is a tips
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on February 06, 2022, 04:24:13 AM
So calibration is necessary out of the box? Can it be done while GW2000 WiFi unit is on? Any other tips Im sure helpful to other users.

There is a private Facebook group for us as beta testers. There observations and problems are discussed. So for the beta a lot of tips and problems are shared there. Ecowitt is there active too. When the results are processed (and the WS90 is updated) and it is shipped, it'll be good to discuss anything here.
For now some things are preliminary to discuss in depth here, because it is still a beta and not all of us have a Wittboy on test IMO.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on February 06, 2022, 10:00:01 AM
Gyvate, do you have any calibration factors on your WH65 and WH40?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on February 06, 2022, 11:31:15 AM
Gyvate, do you have any calibration factors on your WH65 and WH40?
nope
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on February 06, 2022, 04:50:41 PM
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updated at midnight CET (=forum time + 6) as it continued raining
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on February 06, 2022, 08:26:52 PM
So calibration is necessary out of the box? Can it be done while GW2000 WiFi unit is on? Any other tips Im sure helpful to other users.

There is a private Facebook group for us as beta testers. There observations and problems are discussed. So for the beta a lot of tips and problems are shared there. Ecowitt is there active too. When the results are processed (and the WS90 is updated) and it is shipped, it'll be good to discuss anything here.
For now some things are preliminary to discuss in depth here, because it is still a beta and not all of us have a Wittboy on test IMO.
Never received a email back that I was accepted.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on February 07, 2022, 04:28:35 AM
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this morning sunshine - no more rain forecast for today
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on February 09, 2022, 10:39:31 AM
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: davidefa on February 13, 2022, 05:14:50 AM
I think there is a small bug in the 'custom upload' of the new ws90 ( ecowitt format ).
The field stationtype returns ( quotes not included in original return ): 'GW2000A_V2.1.0, runtime=262035'
There is no runtime separate field.
This is not my sensor, is from an user on an italian forum
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on February 13, 2022, 05:42:26 AM
Hi!

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I think there is a small bug in the 'custom upload' of the new ws90 ( ecowitt format ).
You're right!
I had asked a beta tester to report to Ecowitt. However, there has been no firmware update so far.

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on February 13, 2022, 11:54:45 AM
I have reported this faulty custom server string issue of the GW2000 to Ecowitt.

Also two other issues with the WLAN/Ethernet interface where the GW2000 gets stuck and needs to be rebooted.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on February 14, 2022, 05:01:21 AM
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on February 14, 2022, 06:32:20 AM
any shipping schedule for kickstarter buyer's?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on February 15, 2022, 12:57:01 PM
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: ivano on February 15, 2022, 03:52:30 PM
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hello, strange the wittboy underestimates the rainfall, the trend seen in the various tests, instead tends to overestimate
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Mandrake on February 16, 2022, 04:08:30 AM
certainly in my location the wittboy is consistently under recording or not detecting at all some rain fall.
It is clearly optimised for heavier rainfall which is not something we often see here as tend to get lighter rain fall

Although interestingly after writing the statement above, for the first time my WS90 has recorded considerable rain over night versus the WH65 which is odd.
4mm for the wittboy vs 0.8mm for the WS65
I am strongly suspecting that the strong winds we are seeing now are causing the count increase as its not raining currently and there is no evidence of 4 mm of rain (puddles)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on February 16, 2022, 05:16:44 AM
it seems to be under-reporting the rain with small drops (drizzle events) and over-reporting rain with large drops or rain in moderate or high wind condition when, for example, drops hit the sensor fast
Sometimes report rain when the hapitc sensor is wet. It's works well when raining in calm weather (like in laboratory condition)
It also over-reporting wind gusts.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on February 16, 2022, 02:59:43 PM
yesterday morning
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credits: https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=75181
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: waiukuweather on February 16, 2022, 04:04:03 PM
weatherflow really stuggled with the accuracy of their hepatic rain sensor
(wind vibrations.not detecting drizzle, etc etc)
its not easy
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: mcrossley on February 17, 2022, 06:12:28 AM
a bit off topic - but as did Hydreon with their optical rain sensors, most people I heard of with RG11's ended up using them as "It's raining" sensors.

It will be interesting to see if Ecowitt can get their novel sensor somewhat accurate or not.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on February 17, 2022, 07:29:16 AM
Ecowitt gave a reaction on the beta test Facebook group:

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..I would like to repeat our appeal for your correct understanding of this device: the haptic rain sensor is by no means more accurate than a traditional jig-saw type rain gauge. This is determined fundamentally by its sensing principle: it is not a direct measurement, and the transformation between raindrops and the electrical signal is simply not that accurate as its impact force generated by the raindrops was significantly influenced by the rain type, wind speed, wind direction etc.

In addition they gave a reaction to possible fine-tuning:
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Yes, we will have a fine-tuning by different gains setting for different rain intensity. Not sure how it will work, but it will give you the chance to set the gains differently at different rain intensity.

So my personal conclusion is that there will be some updates in the future available to fine-tune the WS90 (by firmware update of the WS90 itself or the console/gateway).
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on February 17, 2022, 07:34:08 AM
Thanks for posting that, there are some that may have been thinking the WS90 was an upgrade as compared to their tilting bucket system, such as the WH40/WH65
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: DelChard on February 17, 2022, 10:25:18 AM
I am an engineer not a meteorologist.
My definition of accuracy is defined by that statement.
For me, accuracy is the right value at the right time.
My 3 cup anemometer, steadfastly refusing to rotate, whilst I can visibly see the smoke from the neighbouring woodburners drifting past my nose annoys me, as does the overspin following a short strong gust. Likewise the wind direction vane stuck on N when said smoke is wafting in all directions.
My WH40 failing to declare rain until quite some time after the fact, or that occasional blip of rain mid-morning when the previous dew finally drips from the debris screen, I find equally annoying.
In engineering control and instrumentation terms, both measuring systems would be deemed as incapable.
Does it matter. Not in the least, but I still find it annoying.

So I have a WS80, that I am pleased with, it dutifully detects the slightest breeze and the direction follows the visible outpouring from those neighbouring chimneys.
However, I no longer have access to a calibrated wind tunnel, therefore I have to rely on the fact that it has been calibrated at the point of manufacture.

Which brings me to the WS90.
I have been following these posts, hoping that Ecowitt would succeed where others have failed. From the original promotional material, the device was being targeted, primarily, at the single device user.
For us with a tipping bucket rain gauge, and in my case, a large and sensite bald spot, the ability to tweak various sensitivities has an appeal.
But, I fail to see what reference points the target market will be able to use. They like me, with my WS80 are going to rely on the factory settings.

I still live in hope.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on February 17, 2022, 04:56:49 PM
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Maybe I need to mention that in the last two days we had very different rainfall and wind conditions - from no wind to 77 km/h and drizzle to strong rainfall, both accompanied by changing wind conditions.
The graphs of the two stations (HP2551 and GW2001) at ecowitt.net will make that clearer.
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=27607
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on February 18, 2022, 04:55:00 AM
message from ecowitt

" A new feature will be added for kick starter order:  The solar charging performance will be monitored by the system: the solar charging voltage alone with the backup battery voltage will be displayed at the same time. With this, you will be able to tell how many hours of power is supplied by the solar panel. The hardware for the beta test group is not supporting this feature.
Besides this, the wittboy rain will be monitored separately, so if you have a traditional rain wh40, both rain data will be displayed on your dashboard.  This feature will be available via firmware upgrade, beta tester device covered.
Based on the current testing result, we found the rain can be improved by calibrating the output from the haptic sensing output. Though it will complicate the production process, but we believe it will be a great help in bringing down the variance due to components variance.   With the help of gain setting for different rain types, we believe this can be possible to fine-tune the accuracy to a reasonably good level.  "
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: DelChard on February 18, 2022, 05:13:59 AM
message from ecowitt

" A new feature will be added for kick starter order:  The solar charging performance will be monitored by the system: the solar charging voltage alone with the backup battery voltage will be displayed at the same time. With this, you will be able to tell how many hours of power is supplied by the solar panel. The hardware for the beta test group is not supporting this feature.
Besides this, the wittboy rain will be monitored separately, so if you have a traditional rain wh40, both rain data will be displayed on your dashboard.  This feature will be available via firmware upgrade, beta tester device covered.
Based on the current testing result, we found the rain can be improved by calibrating the output from the haptic sensing output. Though it will complicate the production process, but we believe it will be a great help in bringing down the variance due to components variance.   With the help of gain setting for different rain types, we believe this can be possible to fine-tune the accuracy to a reasonably good level.  "

That seems more encouraging than the previous comment relayed by hiljolodewijk.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on February 18, 2022, 02:51:21 PM
That seems more encouraging than the previous comment relayed by hiljolodewijk.

Haha I agree. Don't shoot the messenger (me in this case)  ;)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: DelChard on February 18, 2022, 04:48:59 PM
No suitable icon, (target and arrow)
Definitely the message that I found surprising.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on February 18, 2022, 06:52:13 PM
message from ecowitt

" A new feature will be added for kick starter order:  The solar charging performance will be monitored by the system: the solar charging voltage alone with the backup battery voltage will be displayed at the same time. With this, you will be able to tell how many hours of power is supplied by the solar panel. The hardware for the beta test group is not supporting this feature.
this is a WS90 feature - obviously the WS90 hardware will be changed - that's why the beta testers can't have this feature
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Besides this, the wittboy rain will be monitored separately, so if you have a traditional rain wh40, both rain data will be displayed on your dashboard.  This feature will be available via firmware upgrade, beta tester device covered.
Based on the current testing result, we found the rain can be improved by calibrating the output from the haptic sensing output. Though it will complicate the production process, but we believe it will be a great help in bringing down the variance due to components variance.   With the help of gain setting for different rain types, we believe this can be possible to fine-tune the accuracy to a reasonably good level.  "
This is a console feature - so the GW2000 (and hopefully also the GW1x00, WH2650, HP2551 consoles) will receive a console firmware upgrade.
Right now you can have only one rain gauge per console WH65 --> WS90 --> WH40 (priority, preference order for the HP2551/GW2000 consoles)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on February 19, 2022, 08:32:23 AM
message from ecowitt

" A new feature will be added for kick starter order:  The solar charging performance will be monitored by the system: the solar charging voltage alone with the backup battery voltage will be displayed at the same time. With this, you will be able to tell how many hours of power is supplied by the solar panel. The hardware for the beta test group is not supporting this feature.
this is a WS90 feature - obviously the WS90 hardware will be changed - that's why the beta testers can't have this feature
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Besides this, the wittboy rain will be monitored separately, so if you have a traditional rain wh40, both rain data will be displayed on your dashboard.  This feature will be available via firmware upgrade, beta tester device covered.
Based on the current testing result, we found the rain can be improved by calibrating the output from the haptic sensing output. Though it will complicate the production process, but we believe it will be a great help in bringing down the variance due to components variance.   With the help of gain setting for different rain types, we believe this can be possible to fine-tune the accuracy to a reasonably good level.  "
This is a console feature - so the GW2000 (and hopefully also the GW1x00, WH2650, HP2551 consoles) will receive a console firmware upgrade.
Right now you can have only one rain gauge per console WH65 --> WS90 --> WH40 (priority, preference order for the HP2551/GW2000 consoles)
This is good news. I think that with a precise gain calibration a good performance can be achieved. Then we have to see if a single calibration is fine for all ws90s.  :-k
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on February 21, 2022, 08:55:33 AM
I'm guessing some of us got an email  with the following notice for those that used kickstarter

The shipping time is in middle of March for all backers

Dear Backers:

Sorry that we have to make a delay of the  shipping due to some feature enhancement change.  The main change are:
1. Added device QR code to make configuration process easier.  APP side has to accomodate to this change as well.
2.  An improved rain sensing board  design change to have rain detection more accurate, and avoid wrong trigering.
3. Calibrate each sensor for its rain detection sensitivity output, so that the device will have a more equalized performance in rain measurement. This change needs a new testing facility to be designed and built, and this is the main reason for this delay.


Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: KC5JIM on February 21, 2022, 10:06:40 AM
Taking beta testing seriously.

I'm guessing some of us got an email  with the following notice for those that used kickstarter

The shipping time is in middle of March for all backers

Dear Backers:

Sorry that we have to make a delay of the  shipping due to some feature enhancement change.  The main change are:
1. Added device QR code to make configuration process easier.  APP side has to accomodate to this change as well.
2.  An improved rain sensing board  design change to have rain detection more accurate, and avoid wrong trigering.
3. Calibrate each sensor for its rain detection sensitivity output, so that the device will have a more equalized performance in rain measurement. This change needs a new testing facility to be designed and built, and this is the main reason for this delay.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on February 21, 2022, 11:59:51 AM

Hi,

Just curious, I'm a backer but I didn't get this message below. I got the message about the QR code, and improved rain sensor hardware for march delivery. Will this solar charging perfomance be added to all the backers who have yet to receive their wittboy?

I plan on running the wittboy on solar power anyways 24/7 with a 12V/5A regulated power supply due to the colder enviroment, the heater will be running for months...so its not super important for me, but in case my main power goes off, the internal batteries will kick in (but not to run the heater).

Speaking of internal battereis for the WittBoy, I remember reading this somewhere, they recommed rechargeable Li ion batteries. AA rechareable lithium ion batteries are out there, but not much variety. Anyone have suggestions which type/brand, beta testers?

message from ecowitt

" A new feature will be added for kick starter order:  The solar charging performance will be monitored by the system: the solar charging voltage alone with the backup battery voltage will be displayed at the same time. With this, you will be able to tell how many hours of power is supplied by the solar panel. The hardware for the beta test group is not supporting this feature.
Besides this, the wittboy rain will be monitored separately, so if you have a traditional rain wh40, both rain data will be displayed on your dashboard.  This feature will be available via firmware upgrade, beta tester device covered.
Based on the current testing result, we found the rain can be improved by calibrating the output from the haptic sensing output. Though it will complicate the production process, but we believe it will be a great help in bringing down the variance due to components variance.   With the help of gain setting for different rain types, we believe this can be possible to fine-tune the accuracy to a reasonably good level.  "
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on February 21, 2022, 06:24:20 PM
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: mauro63 on February 23, 2022, 04:43:32 PM
Good evening everyone,

I inform you that, at the following link, you will find a real-time map of all the Wittboy stations currently being tested by the selected beta testers, relative, at the moment, to Italy, Portugal, and France

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/it/map/test-ws90_704295#4/51.12/-1.58 (https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/it/map/test-ws90_704295#4/51.12/-1.58)

In the details, you will have access to the link of the Wittboy and the reference station used for the comparisons

I thank my friend Toby for the immense work and for the continuous updating of the map.

Beta testers who wish to appear on this map will be able to do so by sending me an email to

mauro.serenello@protonmail.com

I will send a pdf document to fill and to send me again when ready

Thank you all

M.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on February 23, 2022, 06:23:34 PM
Looking forward to sending my beta station data when our nasty weather permits.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on February 26, 2022, 05:12:15 AM
I've also made an overview of the measurements of the rain of the WH40 and the WS90:
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Quite clear to me is that the low intense rain events (25-2, 12-2, 8-2, 3-2) are not very precise. The long and heavy rain events (20-2, 16-2, 15-2, 6-2) are much more precise, and the deviation is 6% to as low as 1%.

Please note it is a comparison between the WH40 and the WS90. No manual rain is measured.

Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on March 04, 2022, 09:29:04 AM
V2.1.1 upgrade is available for GW2000 gateway. The upgrade is:
normal rain gauge data and ws90 haptic rain data can be uploaded at the same time and you can view both rain values on your same dashboard. This gives you the possibility that you can view both rain data from WS90 and WH40(WS69) in paralell.
Haptic rain calibration can be adjusted according to different rain intensities. This will make it possible that you can fine-tune the rain accuracy for the WS90 wittboy sensor.
source: ecowitt
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on March 04, 2022, 09:31:09 AM
anyone know how to setting up the piezo gain ? For example: if I want to increase by +50% what is the correct value from 1.0 set by default?  [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: davidefa on March 04, 2022, 09:45:48 AM
I'd say multiply the actual value by 1.5

Would be nice to know if the 'when rain rate less than' ( for 'Piezo Rain2 Gain', 'Piezo Rain3 Gain' and 'Piezo Rain4 Gain' ) means 'when rain rate between'.
for ex: Piezo Rain2 Gain affects all the rain rates less then 10mm/h or only the rain rates between 4mm/h and 10mm/h?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on March 04, 2022, 11:19:28 AM
it only makes sense with ranges: =>
1. 0.00 -  4.0 mm/h
2. 4.01 - 10.0 mm/h
3. 10.01 - 30.0 mm/h
4. 30.01 - 60.0 mm/h
5. 60.01 - ....   mm/h
So in my understanding if the rain rate is inside of one of the 5 windows, the gain (=factor) of this window will be applied.
You want only 1/2 the amount to be shown, factor = 0.5
You want 1 1/2 times as much shown, factor = 1.5 etc.

Having 5 windows seems to be good for a start, but from my observations over one month with about 20 rain days, there should be a bigger granularity, especially in the lower rates. Rather 8 than 5 windows.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: wsNoordbergum on March 04, 2022, 11:21:57 AM
It has to be the between rain rate values
Otherwise the multiplier would be the sum and that can't be right
Whenever a rain rate exceeds a value then the rate will be multiplied by the given threshold
So if rain rate is 6 then the multiplier value of between 4 and 10 will be used
This is the only way it makes sense

Still waiting for the ws2001 to be delivered, it has been delayed due to better calibration of the haptic rain sensor
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on March 05, 2022, 08:20:07 AM
with firmware 2.1.1 (released 03-Mar-2022) the GW2000 console/gateway ("hub") can display the WS90 rain readings ("piezo") and a WH40 rain readings with history in synoptic view, both in the WebUI or on the ecowitt.net dashboard.
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on March 06, 2022, 03:48:44 PM
Anyone has setting up a different gain calibration?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on March 06, 2022, 04:30:50 PM
I'm trying with 1.2 in the lowest range. But currently no rain in the predictions  :???:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on March 06, 2022, 05:41:01 PM
My idea of settings is:

1.5
1.25
1.0
0.85
0.6

If anyone wants to try...
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on March 06, 2022, 05:45:25 PM
with firmware 2.1.1 (released 03-Mar-2022) the GW2000 console/gateway ("hub") can display the WS90 rain readings ("piezo") and a WH40 rain readings with history in synoptic view, both in the WebUI or on the ecowitt.net dashboard.
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For those who may wonder why I wrote firmware version 2.1.1 and the picture shows 2.1.0:
in order for the WebUI to show an updated firmware version also in the left hand side menu, one has to log out from the WebUI and log in again - only then the display of the correct firmware version takes place.
You can run with an updated firmware version higher than what is displayed .... - strange, but that's what it is
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on March 06, 2022, 05:59:38 PM
My idea of settings is:

1.5
1.25
1.0
0.85
0.6

If anyone wants to try...
I still have to finalize my calculations with reference not only to the absolute rainfall per day but also with reference to the rain rate over the respective periods. Plus, my reference won't be the WH40 readings, even though they will show in the final table, but mainly the readings from the manual rain gauges I used.

From there I can already see that factors < 1.0 for the rates 30-60 mm/h and >60 mm/h won't be realistic. An overreading of the haptic sensor in the high windows didn't take place in my observations. (Almost) always an underreading.

Once the splitting of the daily readings into portions of different rain rates (and the comparisions to the different rain gauge readings) is done, I will come up with a proposed scale.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on March 19, 2022, 06:23:14 AM
the shippings seems to be start in a few days, so more public testing around the world
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on March 19, 2022, 06:34:02 AM
My idea of settings is:

1.5
1.25
1.0
0.85
0.6

If anyone wants to try...


From there I can already see that factors < 1.0 for the rates 30-60 mm/h and >60 mm/h won't be realistic. An overreading of the haptic sensor in the high windows didn't take place in my observations. (Almost) always an underreading.


yestarday with a peak of 31mm-h

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after the first downpour the measurement was 4.7 for wh40 5.4 for ws90, difference + 14.89% so, the proposing gain setting in this case was perfect (only in this case, we need much more datas)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on March 24, 2022, 03:00:38 PM
some ws90 has been shipped out
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 03, 2022, 05:41:26 PM
My idea of settings is:

1.5
1.25
1.0
0.85
0.6

If anyone wants to try...


From there I can already see that factors < 1.0 for the rates 30-60 mm/h and >60 mm/h won't be realistic. An overreading of the haptic sensor in the high windows didn't take place in my observations. (Almost) always an underreading.


yestarday with a peak of 31mm-h

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after the first downpour the measurement was 4.7 for wh40 5.4 for ws90, difference + 14.89% so, the proposing gain setting in this case was perfect (only in this case, we need much more datas)
Anymore conclusions on the offsets for piezo rain from WS90?

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on April 04, 2022, 07:49:35 AM
I have my Wittboy from my Kickstarter Order up and running, very nice piece of kit compared to the Weatherflow tempest. Its giving data to my site http://www.twinfirs.co.uk

My only real complaint is the app absolutely sucks, really bad presentation

(https://i.ibb.co/27hhc0S/277765510-10225761089509874-1246977582368808480-n.jpg)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on April 04, 2022, 08:03:25 AM
I see that the wire of the WS90 is white in your case? in the beta version it was black (in my case at least). A small hardware revision too  ;)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 04, 2022, 08:34:31 AM
...
My only real complaint is the app absolutely sucks, really bad presentation
...
What app are talking about ?
The WS View Plus app ? The Ecowitt app ? The WebUI ?
Would be interesting to know ...
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on April 04, 2022, 08:42:14 AM
...
My only real complaint is the app absolutely sucks, really bad presentation
...
What app are talking about ?
The WS View Plus app ? The Ecowitt app ? The WebUI ?
Would be interesting to know ...

The Ecowitt App, this was the one I was told to download in the instructions. The information given on an iPad and iPhone is not in a great order, the layout is all wrong and far to big, to see the info given you have to scroll through four pages.

(https://i.ibb.co/yVXv28F/Untitled.jpg)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 04, 2022, 08:52:04 AM
the WS View Plus app (also available for download on the Ecowitt web site: https://api.ecowitt.net/api/app/download?category=WSView%20Plus gives you a nicer view and control over your GW2000 console/hub,
however inside the local WLAN only.

The free version of the SmartMixin app might be a nice alternative to the Ecowitt app (have a look at https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=43629.0).

Even though on an Android smartphone it (the Ecowitt app) doesn't look that bad as in your picture.
Maybe there's an issue with the iOS app - I suggest to send a message (email) to support@ecowitt.com and tell your story and attach the picture.
Their support is usually very helpful and supportive (as the name says  ;)).
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 04, 2022, 09:13:37 AM
My idea of settings is:

1.5
1.25
1.0
0.85
0.6

If anyone wants to try...


From there I can already see that factors < 1.0 for the rates 30-60 mm/h and >60 mm/h won't be realistic. An overreading of the haptic sensor in the high windows didn't take place in my observations. (Almost) always an underreading.


yestarday with a peak of 31mm-h

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after the first downpour the measurement was 4.7 for wh40 5.4 for ws90, difference + 14.89% so, the proposing gain setting in this case was perfect (only in this case, we need much more datas)
Anymore conclusions on the offsets for piezo rain from WS90?

Thanks,
tweatherman
I need to recalculate because the beta versions of wittboy record additional rain even if the hapitc sensor is damp or slightly wet. Ecowitt says that the kikstarter's version has an improved system to not active the piezo sensor with humidity.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 04, 2022, 09:18:55 AM
Others thing... For the comparison a Davis station (with a good calibration and a manual gauge) is more useful than the WH40. The wh40 calculate only an average value of rain rate, the Davis station record the real time value of rain rate that is what we really need
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on April 04, 2022, 11:43:17 AM
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I need to recalculate because the beta versions of wittboy record additional rain even if the hapitc sensor is damp or slightly wet. Ecowitt says that the kikstarter's version has an improved system to not active the piezo sensor with humidity.

I have one of the actual Kickstarter units and I noticed I got some false rain readings when the humid got high and we then has a hard frost. I hope this is not going to be problem.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: DelChard on April 04, 2022, 12:44:44 PM
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I need to recalculate because the beta versions of wittboy record additional rain even if the hapitc sensor is damp or slightly wet. Ecowitt says that the kikstarter's version has an improved system to not active the piezo sensor with humidity.

I have one of the actual Kickstarter units and I noticed I got some false rain readings when the humid got high and we then has a hard frost. I hope this is not going to be problem.
Annoyingly there is no escaping that particular issue.
My own tipping bucket rain gauge also records false rain events due to condensation.
I have a bee in my bonnet re sensor latency, so by coincidence I've been analysing (for my benefit) any data in that regard.
I've attached 1 plot that aims to distinguish the delay between the start of an event and the recording of the event.
I've attempted to use locations that also feature a leaf wetness sensor.
On the plot the tipping bucket would appear to have detected rain before the haptic. As the leaf wetness had been at 7-8% for some time, I suspect that is a condensation tip.
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 04, 2022, 12:50:34 PM
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I need to recalculate because the beta versions of wittboy record additional rain even if the hapitc sensor is damp or slightly wet. Ecowitt says that the kikstarter's version has an improved system to not active the piezo sensor with humidity.

I have one of the actual Kickstarter units and I noticed I got some false rain readings when the humid got high and we then has a hard frost. I hope this is not going to be problem.
Annoyingly there is no escaping that particular issue.
My own tipping bucket rain gauge also records false rain events due to condensation.
I have a bee in my bonnet re sensor latency, so by coincidence I've been analysing (for my benefit) any data in that regard.
I've attached 1 plot that aims to distinguish the delay between the start of an event and the recording of the event.
I've attempted to use locations that also feature a leaf wetness sensor.
On the plot the tipping bucket would appear to have detected rain before the haptic. As the leaf wetness had been at 7-8% for some time, I suspect that is a condensation tip.
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for the wmo regulation the condensation is a real precipitation.
The problem in this case is when the piezo sensor trigger when is wet (without a raining event)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 04, 2022, 12:52:16 PM
Quote
I need to recalculate because the beta versions of wittboy record additional rain even if the hapitc sensor is damp or slightly wet. Ecowitt says that the kikstarter's version has an improved system to not active the piezo sensor with humidity.

I have one of the actual Kickstarter units and I noticed I got some false rain readings when the humid got high and we then has a hard frost. I hope this is not going to be problem.
how much false rain?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: DelChard on April 04, 2022, 01:00:50 PM
Quote
I need to recalculate because the beta versions of wittboy record additional rain even if the hapitc sensor is damp or slightly wet. Ecowitt says that the kikstarter's version has an improved system to not active the piezo sensor with humidity.

I have one of the actual Kickstarter units and I noticed I got some false rain readings when the humid got high and we then has a hard frost. I hope this is not going to be problem.
Annoyingly there is no escaping that particular issue.
My own tipping bucket rain gauge also records false rain events due to condensation.
I have a bee in my bonnet re sensor latency, so by coincidence I've been analysing (for my benefit) any data in that regard.
I've attached 1 plot that aims to distinguish the delay between the start of an event and the recording of the event.
I've attempted to use locations that also feature a leaf wetness sensor.
On the plot the tipping bucket would appear to have detected rain before the haptic. As the leaf wetness had been at 7-8% for some time, I suspect that is a condensation tip.
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for the wmo regulation the condensation is a real precipitation.
I agree with you entirely.
My issue is the timing, I've had a rain event several hours after dewfall.
For me personally, an accurate record is how much and precisely when.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 04, 2022, 01:04:08 PM
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I need to recalculate because the beta versions of wittboy record additional rain even if the hapitc sensor is damp or slightly wet. Ecowitt says that the kikstarter's version has an improved system to not active the piezo sensor with humidity.

I have one of the actual Kickstarter units and I noticed I got some false rain readings when the humid got high and we then has a hard frost. I hope this is not going to be problem.
Annoyingly there is no escaping that particular issue.
My own tipping bucket rain gauge also records false rain events due to condensation.
I have a bee in my bonnet re sensor latency, so by coincidence I've been analysing (for my benefit) any data in that regard.
I've attached 1 plot that aims to distinguish the delay between the start of an event and the recording of the event.
I've attempted to use locations that also feature a leaf wetness sensor.
On the plot the tipping bucket would appear to have detected rain before the haptic. As the leaf wetness had been at 7-8% for some time, I suspect that is a condensation tip.
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for the wmo regulation the condensation is a real precipitation.
I agree with you entirely.
My issue is the timing, I've had a rain event several hours after dewfall.
For me personally, an accurate record is how much and precisely when.

could it be a wireless interference?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: DelChard on April 04, 2022, 01:18:21 PM
@giusCB
It took me by surprise at the time.
So I had a look inside the cone, there was another drip about to fall from the debris coil.
I think the Davis debris trap, the type supplied with the aerocone might be worth a try (if it annoys me too much  #-o).
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 05, 2022, 02:38:55 PM
I've tested again with simulated rain but no problem for me
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 06, 2022, 05:33:43 AM
Also on Kickstarter's unit remain this "ultrasensitive setting" on anemometer. Record a light breeze even if is closed in a box
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Fortunately lower than beta version ones (max 1.8/2.2)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 06, 2022, 05:37:23 AM
yes, but this you can calibrate down to zero using the calibrate button on the unit.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 06, 2022, 05:39:04 AM
I tried with the cal button but it didn't work
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 06, 2022, 05:40:36 AM
with the unit inside the box where it showed these 1.7 km/h ?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 06, 2022, 05:41:50 AM
Yes
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 06, 2022, 05:43:34 AM
and you waited until the LED which flashes every 8 seconds stopped (meaning held the CAL button pressed down that long) ?
Maybe repeat it once or twice inside that box, press the CAL button down and hold it until the LED stops flashing = doesn't continue flashing every 8 seconds.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 06, 2022, 06:16:09 AM
So, when the led stay on and then flashing every second i need to continue to push the cal button?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 06, 2022, 06:23:04 AM
Ecowittweather/Admin
Hi, If this is the case, please put the device in a no wind location, press the CAL button, it will offset the wind speed to 0. Can you try? wait until the LED flashing stops, and flashes every 8s.


That was the Ecowitt technician's advice for that situation- how do you read that ?
It could be read such: press the button, hold it, (flashing will start - asumed, not said),hold it until it stops flashing and then only flashes every 8 seconds
I have to assume as I never had to do this myself. Mine behaves wisely.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on April 06, 2022, 06:27:09 AM
Sorry I'm a newbie with this unit, where is the CAL button?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 06, 2022, 06:29:15 AM
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in that picture the WS90 unit is turned upside down.
The blue flashing LED is on the top of the unit.
Maybe you locate the CAL button and press/hold it from below while looking at the top of the unit in order to check the LED.  8-)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on April 06, 2022, 06:30:29 AM
Thanks for that, is there a manual describing the calibration function as I had nothing apart from a quick start guide with my unit from Kickstarter
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 06, 2022, 06:34:54 AM
No, not really - but it's simple.
Before you set up your unit you place it in an wind free area, maybe indoors (with no fan running  8-)).
Then check the wind reading via the WS View App or over some time in the Ecowitt cloud.
If at no air movement you still have some wind shown, then you use that button to calibrate = set the zero point to the actual condition. (press, hold, LED flashes, hold until flashing stops,release, then the calibration should be done and the leD should continue flashing in a 8 second rhythm.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on April 06, 2022, 06:35:51 AM
No, not really - but it's simple.
Before you set up your unit you place it in an wind free area, maybe indoors (with no fan running  8-)).
Then check the wind reading via the WS View App or ovr some time in the Ecowitt cloud.
If at no air movement you still have some wind shown, then you use that button to calibrate = set the zero point to the actual condition. (press, hold, LED flashes, hold until flashing stops,release, then the calibration should be done and the leD should continue flashing in a 8 second rhythm.

Sorry to ask but which LED am I looking at?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 06, 2022, 06:40:20 AM
No, not really - but it's simple.
Before you set up your unit you place it in an wind free area, maybe indoors (with no fan running  8-)).
Then check the wind reading via the WS View App or ovr some time in the Ecowitt cloud.
If at no air movement you still have some wind shown, then you use that button to calibrate = set the zero point to the actual condition. (press, hold, LED flashes, hold until flashing stops,release, then the calibration should be done and the leD should continue flashing in a 8 second rhythm.

Sorry to ask but which LED am I looking at?
on the top, where is located the solar/uvi sensor
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 06, 2022, 06:41:09 AM
Ecowittweather/Admin
Hi, If this is the case, please put the device in a no wind location, press the CAL button, it will offset the wind speed to 0. Can you try? wait until the LED flashing stops, and flashes every 8s.


That was the Ecowitt technician's advice for that situation- how do you read that ?
It could be read such: press the button, hold it, (flashing will start - asumed, not said),hold it until it stops flashing and then only flashes every 8 seconds
I have to assume as I never had to do this myself. Mine behaves wisely.
Ok, now is clear. Thank you
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 06, 2022, 06:51:17 AM
in the WS80 manual whose ultrasonic unit is similar to the WS90 it only says that the CAL button is for manufacturer use.
Hence no further description. We had this issue coming up during the -test where Ecowitt would advise on how to handle naughty behaviour of the units.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 06, 2022, 08:59:02 AM
The led stay on for about 15-20 seconds
But.. No, not solved. 1.8 kmh always present
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 06, 2022, 09:01:35 AM
then maybe report to Ecowitt ...
see what they have to offer ...
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 06, 2022, 09:03:44 AM
then maybe report to Ecowitt ...
see what they have to offer ...
Ok yes, not a big problem but this is a bug
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on April 06, 2022, 04:02:45 PM
Could someone explain this to me. All day we have had strong winds and I consider the Wittboy to be pretty accurate on direction and speed. However the temp profile suddenly changed at exactly 12pm. The feel like temperature became the same as the real temp, and if anything should have gone lower, until 7:50pm when it jumped back down. Is this a bug  :?:

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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: mcrossley on April 06, 2022, 04:13:40 PM
Could someone explain this to me. All day we have had strong winds and I consider the Wittboy to be pretty accurate on direction and speed. However the temp profile suddenly changed at exactly 12pm. The feel like temperature became the same as the real temp, and if anything should have gone lower, until 7:50pm when it jumped back down. Is this a bug  :?:

I think their feels like is just wind chill which only applies below 50 F, or 10 C
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on April 06, 2022, 04:51:00 PM
Could someone explain this to me. All day we have had strong winds and I consider the Wittboy to be pretty accurate on direction and speed. However the temp profile suddenly changed at exactly 12pm. The feel like temperature became the same as the real temp, and if anything should have gone lower, until 7:50pm when it jumped back down. Is this a bug  :?:

I think their feels like is just wind chill which only applies below 50 F, or 10 C

Looks like you are right, it stopped when temp above 10C and back on again when it dropped below. Thanks for that.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: saratogaWX on April 06, 2022, 07:41:51 PM
Just watching this thread for notification anomalies
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 07, 2022, 01:28:41 AM
new fw. upgrade https://foue.omnicamp1.com/link/624e3f9dd342a10020629a28/624e3f831761c6001e15ff02/60fe8857b211cd7ebb5ab8f2?signature=cc59e01b718a79b294b6eb140c6806da238a53bc37431e1702d7b4c1fede9d56

" The main change is to improve rain detection stability by implementing a new algorithm in gauging rain fall pattern with the resistance change behavior.  it is not a must, but it is helpful in avoiding some unexpected rain due to high humid conditions.  A PC running windows will be needed to complete the upgrade process. The new firmware as well as all needed tools can be found in the link "

report your feedback publicy to all user  [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on April 07, 2022, 01:57:10 AM
Hi!

Quote
new fw. upgrade https://foue.omnicamp1.com/link/624e3f9dd342a10020629a28/624e3f831761c6001e15ff02/60fe8857b211cd7ebb5ab8f2?signature=cc59e01b718a79b294b6eb140c6806da238a53bc37431e1702d7b4c1fede9d56
Thanks for sharing.
Where did you find this information?

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 07, 2022, 01:57:52 AM
Hi!

Quote
new fw. upgrade https://foue.omnicamp1.com/link/624e3f9dd342a10020629a28/624e3f831761c6001e15ff02/60fe8857b211cd7ebb5ab8f2?signature=cc59e01b718a79b294b6eb140c6806da238a53bc37431e1702d7b4c1fede9d56
Thanks for sharing.
Where did you find this information?

Oliver
From customer service
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on April 07, 2022, 02:09:48 AM
Hi!

Quote
new fw. upgrade https://foue.omnicamp1.com/link/624e3f9dd342a10020629a28/624e3f831761c6001e15ff02/60fe8857b211cd7ebb5ab8f2?signature=cc59e01b718a79b294b6eb140c6806da238a53bc37431e1702d7b4c1fede9d56
Thanks for sharing.
Where did you find this information?

Oliver
From customer service

What Firmware version number is this upgrade?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on April 07, 2022, 02:19:21 AM
Hi!

Quote
What Firmware version number is this upgrade?
It is v1.17 or 117 for the WS90.

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on April 07, 2022, 02:37:51 AM
Hi!

Quote
What Firmware version number is this upgrade?
It is v1.17 or 117 for the WS90.

Oliver

I have V2.1.3 for the GW2000A but how do I find the Firmware version for the Wittboy?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on April 07, 2022, 02:43:24 AM
Hi!

Quote
how do I find the Firmware version for the Wittboy?
I don't know if there is an official way. But at least the WS90 sends the version number via custom server. You could check there. If you want it easy: ear.phantasoft.de (http://ear.phantasoft.de).

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 07, 2022, 02:47:57 AM
Hi!

Quote
how do I find the Firmware version for the Wittboy?
I don't know if there is an official way. But at least the WS90 sends the version number via custom server. You could check there. If you want it easy: ear.phantasoft.de (http://ear.phantasoft.de).

Oliver
Wich version? The outdoor sensor or the fw. of the gw2000?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on April 07, 2022, 02:55:28 AM
Hi!

The firmware version for the station is shown in WS View. For the WS90 I don't know yet if it is shown somewhere. I still await my parcel.
But I know for sure that both version numbers are transmitted via custom server. EAR (https://ear.phantasoft.de) shows all fields sent through custom server and also checks the version numbers and gives some advices.

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 07, 2022, 02:56:27 AM
Hi!

The firmware version for the station is shown in WS View. For the WS90 I don't know yet if it is shown somewhere. I still await my parcel.
But I know for sure that both version numbers are transmitted via custom server. EAR (https://ear.phantasoft.de) shows all fields sent through custom server and also checks the version numbers and gives some advices.

Oliver
I'll try asap
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on April 07, 2022, 03:03:56 AM
Hi!

The firmware version for the station is shown in WS View. For the WS90 I don't know yet if it is shown somewhere. I still await my parcel.
But I know for sure that both version numbers are transmitted via custom server. EAR (https://ear.phantasoft.de) shows all fields sent through custom server and also checks the version numbers and gives some advices.

Oliver

Where is it shown in WSView, all I can see is the firmware version of the GW2000A
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 07, 2022, 03:08:26 AM
Hi!

The firmware version for the station is shown in WS View. For the WS90 I don't know yet if it is shown somewhere. I still await my parcel.
But I know for sure that both version numbers are transmitted via custom server. EAR (https://ear.phantasoft.de) shows all fields sent through custom server and also checks the version numbers and gives some advices.

Oliver

Where is it shown in WSView, all I can see is the firmware version of the GW2000A
@Aircub
no sensor firmware in WS View (Plus)
for the WS90 you have to use Oliver's EAR setup - follow the link - EAR in his message is a link !
You connect your GW2000 via custom server to his test site (all described) and can see the results of the custom server postings. Not just the string but also nicely structured on his page !
Give it a try !
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on April 07, 2022, 06:37:03 AM
I checked my custom server output, but there is no FW version of the sensors available:
Code: [Select]
  'PASSKEY' => 'EB43A04EDF1C20BC05D596413D31148B',
  'stationtype' => 'GW2000A_V2.1.3',
  'runtime' => '1522',
  'dateutc' => '2022-04-07 10:10:06',
  'freq' => '868M',
  'model' => 'GW2000A',

Only the firmware version of the console or gateway (WS2000 FW version 2.1.3 in my case)..
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on April 07, 2022, 06:46:38 AM
Hi!

At least with firmware v2.1.1 for GW2000 there was also a key "ws90_ver" which - obviously - contained the firmware version of the WS90.
Did you not look carefully or did they change that with v2.1.3?

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on April 07, 2022, 06:51:27 AM
At least with firmware v2.1.1 for GW2000 there was also a key "ws90_ver" which - obviously - contained the firmware version of the WS90.
Did you not look carefully or did they change that with v2.1.3?

My complete output of the custom server upload:
Code: [Select]
array (
  'PASSKEY' => 'EB43A04EDF1C20BC05D596413D31148B',
  'stationtype' => 'GW2000A_V2.1.3',
  'runtime' => '3316',
  'dateutc' => '2022-04-07 10:40:00',
  'tempinf' => '74.1',
  'humidityin' => '35',
  'baromrelin' => '28.916',
  'baromabsin' => '28.871',
  'tempf' => '47.5',
  'humidity' => '84',
  'winddir' => '203',
  'windspeedmph' => '4.25',
  'windgustmph' => '12.97',
  'maxdailygust' => '27.96',
  'solarradiation' => '176.87',
  'uv' => '1',
  'rainratein' => '0.094',
  'eventrainin' => '0.020',
  'hourlyrainin' => '0.020',
  'dailyrainin' => '0.496',
  'weeklyrainin' => '1.528',
  'monthlyrainin' => '1.555',
  'yearlyrainin' => '9.752',
  'rrain_piezo' => '0.142',
  'erain_piezo' => '0.024',
  'hrain_piezo' => '0.024',
  'drain_piezo' => '0.500',
  'wrain_piezo' => '1.531',
  'mrain_piezo' => '1.559',
  'yrain_piezo' => '9.756',
  'temp1f' => '50.2',
  'humidity1' => '76',
  'temp2f' => '49.8',
  'humidity2' => '84',
  'soilmoisture1' => '60',
  'pm25_ch1' => '0.0',
  'pm25_avg_24h_ch1' => '0.0',
  'lightning_num' => '0',
  'lightning' => '',
  'lightning_time' => '',
  'tf_ch1' => '47.7',
  'leafwetness_ch1' => '95',
  'wh26batt' => '0',
  'batt1' => '0',
  'batt2' => '0',
  'soilbatt1' => '1.4',
  'pm25batt1' => '3',
  'wh57batt' => '3',
  'tf_batt1' => '1.44',
  'leaf_batt1' => '1.48',
  'wh90batt' => '3.28',
  'freq' => '868M',
  'model' => 'GW2000A',
)

I can only say that i have a beta version of the WS90 offcourse and indeed V2.1.3 of the GW2000 firmware..
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on April 07, 2022, 07:05:19 AM
Hi!

In your output I miss also all the WS90 gain-keys, the ws90cap_volt and the rfdata-key.
I can not imagine that all these keys have been abolished with the current firmware version.  How did you create this list?

In fact, unfortunately no one has contacted EAR with v2.1.3 yet. Therefore I have no comparative data

Oliver

Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 07, 2022, 07:25:21 AM
Hi!

The firmware version for the station is shown in WS View. For the WS90 I don't know yet if it is shown somewhere. I still await my parcel.
But I know for sure that both version numbers are transmitted via custom server. EAR (https://ear.phantasoft.de) shows all fields sent through custom server and also checks the version numbers and gives some advices.

Oliver
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I see only the fw. of gw2000  :roll:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on April 07, 2022, 07:31:48 AM
In your output I miss also all the WS90 gain-keys, the ws90cap_volt and the rfdata-key.
I can not imagine that all these keys have been abolished with the current firmware version.  How did you create this list?

Exporting a var_dump of $_POST into a file. So it's the raw data of the content that my GW2000 posts.

In fact, unfortunately no one has contacted EAR with v2.1.3 yet. Therefore I have no comparative data.

I'm not at home currently, so I cannot change it temporary to EAR for your info :-(
Could it be that my device is beta? And therefore the vars are not submitted?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on April 07, 2022, 07:34:56 AM
Hi!

Quote
I see only the fw. of gw2000
Ok, then Ecowitt has changed the behaviour with v2.1.3.
The keys are still included in the current version. It is possible that one have to activate the sending of these additional keys first - for example via a debug switch.
Or these keys are only sent to ecowitt.net and no longer via custom server.
I'll ask Ecowitt about it.

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 07, 2022, 08:07:09 AM
@olicat
they were already gone with V.2.1.2 for the custom server - in 2.1.1 they were still there
@hiljolodewijk
your WS90 may be beta but not your GW2000 ...
nevertheless the GW2000 earlier (FW 2.1.1) reported the data @olicat was talking about
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on April 07, 2022, 09:42:15 AM
@hiljolodewijk
your WS90 may be beta but not your GW2000 ...
nevertheless the GW2000 earlier (FW 2.1.1) reported the data @olicat was talking about

Thanks for the confirmation!
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 07, 2022, 03:14:36 PM
"in ethernet network settings" when i switch from dhcp to static the subnet mask and the default gateway is inverted (255.255.255.0 on gateway and 192.168.X.X on subnet). Obviously when i apply the setting the connection died.
Can anyone try this if is the same on other device  ?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 07, 2022, 03:19:12 PM
yes, same here - and when you do it a second time, the proper values end up again in their respective fields. :evil: :roll:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 08, 2022, 11:22:11 AM
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can anyone explain in which way the ws90 sampling the gust ? I've constantly higher values than a VP2 (7 months old anemometer)

The real time values are nearly the same.   :?: :?:

(the anemometers are side by side, about 15 cm of difference in height)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: davidefa on April 08, 2022, 12:56:54 PM
I assume ( without any evidence ) it is like the ws80: 'the max wind speed in the last 28s'

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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 08, 2022, 01:15:14 PM
I assume ( without any evidence ) it is like the ws80: 'the max wind speed in the last 28s'

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Grazie Davide.
I knew this document. Today the gusts were all above 18kmh (5ms) so if the sampling was 1 second the difference could be justified (davis samples every 2.5. The ws90 would collect double the values). can Fineoffset confirm this for the ws90?  :oops:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on April 08, 2022, 01:17:21 PM
In my head, and I may be me missing something, the period for determining the max wind gust shouldn't account for the consistent higher values. The gust should be a near immediate reading , whether it occurs in 28s, or whether it occurs in a shorter or longer reporting period.

However, the rest of the document is interesting and the greater than less than on a 4s window or 2s , would need to be  reviewed, I think in comparison. Rather confusing, or it's just Friday and my brain is relax mode.


Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: mcrossley on April 08, 2022, 01:27:09 PM
This has come up before, gust speed should not be an instantaneous reading, but the average over 3 seconds.

The Davis averages over 2.5 seconds (pretty close), the WS80/WS90 does not specify how they determine the gust but I suspect it is ether the highest instantaneous, or the average of a unknown number of readings over 1 second - then the highest of these for 1, 2, or 4 seconds according to the spec sheet.

But the lack of inertial response of the ultra-sonic vs. wind cups means they should produce slightly higher speeds. My suspected lack of 3 second averaging means the WS80/90 the gust speeds may be over stated though. (I know others may disagree :) )
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on April 08, 2022, 01:41:17 PM
But the lack of inertial response of the ultra-sonic vs. wind cups means they should produce slightly higher speeds. My suspected lack of 3 second averaging means the WS80/90 the gust speeds may be over stated though. (I know others may disagree :) )

I agree with that , although they spin up fast, cups have to spin up. In theory, could miss short duration higher gust. Also depends on the sampling window in the sensor, or how often it samples. Both combined may account for it.

Might be a case where the ultrasonic is more accurate, or as you say, overinflated. Would take more expensive gear to find out

But even then, the cup sensor should get "lucky" once in a while, not seeing that in the data provided


Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 08, 2022, 02:03:24 PM
But the lack of inertial response of the ultra-sonic vs. wind cups means they should produce slightly higher speeds. My suspected lack of 3 second averaging means the WS80/90 the gust speeds may be over stated though. (I know others may disagree :) )

I agree with that , although they spin up fast, cups have to spin up. In theory, could miss short duration higher gust. Also depends on the sampling window in the sensor, or how often it samples. Both combined may account for it.

Might be a case where the ultrasonic is more accurate, or as you say, overinflated. Would take more expensive gear to find out

But even then, the cup sensor should get "lucky" once in a while, not seeing that in the data provided
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: mcrossley on April 08, 2022, 02:56:08 PM
I agree with that , although they spin up fast, cups have to spin up. In theory, could miss short duration higher gust. Also depends on the sampling window in the sensor, or how often it samples. Both combined may account for it.

Might be a case where the ultrasonic is more accurate, or as you say, overinflated. Would take more expensive gear to find out

But even then, the cup sensor should get "lucky" once in a while, not seeing that in the data provided
The cups are providing an analogue average over the period as its just a rotation count.
The ultrasonic you are right, it is discrete samples, and we do not know the sampling rate - but with a small solar powered device I guess they are going to be reasonably spaced out. Out of interest, maybe I'll take my WS80 down and see if I can figure it out either from detecting the sonic pulses, or power consumption. I'm afraid I do not have a 'scope to plumb in to the electronics.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 08, 2022, 03:10:28 PM
I agree with that , although they spin up fast, cups have to spin up. In theory, could miss short duration higher gust. Also depends on the sampling window in the sensor, or how often it samples. Both combined may account for it.

Might be a case where the ultrasonic is more accurate, or as you say, overinflated. Would take more expensive gear to find out

But even then, the cup sensor should get "lucky" once in a while, not seeing that in the data provided
The cups are providing an analogue average over the period as its just a rotation count.
The ultrasonic you are right, it is discrete samples, and we do not know the sampling rate - but but a small solar powered device I guess they are going to be reasonably spaced out. Out of interest, maybe I'll take my WS80 down and see if I can figure it out either from detecting the sonic pulses, or power consumption. I'm afraid I do not have a 'scope to plumb in to the electronics.
O.T.
i've the ws90 with gw2000 connected to cmx, if you need to do some  bug fix just message to me  [tup] [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: davidefa on April 08, 2022, 04:54:44 PM
I already recorded the ws80 ultrasonic pulses:
- frequency: 40KHz
- pulse trains width: 96mS
- pulses rate: continuous, 1S, 2S, 4S

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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 08, 2022, 07:58:11 PM
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Maybe I need to mention that in the last two days we had very different rainfall and wind conditions - from no wind to 77 km/h and drizzle to strong rainfall, both accompanied by changing wind conditions.
The graphs of the two stations (HP2551 and GW2001) at ecowitt.net will make that clearer.
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=27607
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231
Anyone experiencing more rain on WS90 piezo gauge vs manual rain gauges and or any Davis tipping bucket type? Factory calibration on all rainfall rates on my end. This is totally opposite than what I was expecting with what others are saying.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: KC5JIM on April 08, 2022, 08:24:31 PM
Your weekly and monthly amounts are just about identical.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 08, 2022, 08:47:24 PM
Your weekly and monthly amounts are just about identical.
Davis tipping bucket on one event was 0.09 and piezo had 0.07. The time after that on next event tipping bucking 0.83 which matched 8 manual and piezo had 1.15.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on April 09, 2022, 02:48:43 AM
new fw. upgrade https://foue.omnicamp1.com/link/624e3f9dd342a10020629a28/624e3f831761c6001e15ff02/60fe8857b211cd7ebb5ab8f2?signature=cc59e01b718a79b294b6eb140c6806da238a53bc37431e1702d7b4c1fede9d56

Anyone installed this firmware already? And what are the experiences? I'm a bit wary because it doesn't seem to be officially released  :???:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 09, 2022, 03:24:23 AM
new fw. upgrade https://foue.omnicamp1.com/link/624e3f9dd342a10020629a28/624e3f831761c6001e15ff02/60fe8857b211cd7ebb5ab8f2?signature=cc59e01b718a79b294b6eb140c6806da238a53bc37431e1702d7b4c1fede9d56

Anyone installed this firmware already? And what are the experiences? I'm a bit wary because it doesn't seem to be officially released  :???:
The update is mostly for beta units like yours.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 09, 2022, 03:25:26 AM
Why ecowitt don't talk with beta testers?  :-|
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on April 09, 2022, 03:32:41 AM
The update is mostly for beta units like yours.

I would expect this to be posted in the Facebook group of the beta testers by Ecowitt to get some results of the modifications. But they didn't though  :roll:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 09, 2022, 03:37:16 AM
strangely the picture with the Reset and cal buttons is different from our units ....
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 09, 2022, 03:38:22 AM
new fw. upgrade https://foue.omnicamp1.com/link/624e3f9dd342a10020629a28/624e3f831761c6001e15ff02/60fe8857b211cd7ebb5ab8f2?signature=cc59e01b718a79b294b6eb140c6806da238a53bc37431e1702d7b4c1fede9d56

Anyone installed this firmware already? And what are the experiences? I'm a bit wary because it doesn't seem to be officially released  :???:
The update is mostly for beta units like yours.
says who ? And what is it supposed to do ?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 09, 2022, 08:06:43 AM
simply received via email from support  [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 09, 2022, 08:14:04 AM
Why ecowitt don't talk with beta testers?  :-|
Maybe from their perspective the beta test is over as they are already shipping the GW2001/Wittboy to customers - kickstarter and others - it's already available for order on their web site.
They could still have left some message about the status in the FB group.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 09, 2022, 10:15:13 AM
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Maybe I need to mention that in the last two days we had very different rainfall and wind conditions - from no wind to 77 km/h and drizzle to strong rainfall, both accompanied by changing wind conditions.
The graphs of the two stations (HP2551 and GW2001) at ecowitt.net will make that clearer.
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=27607
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231
Anyone experiencing more rain on WS90 piezo gauge vs manual rain gauges and or any Davis tipping bucket type? Factory calibration on all rainfall rates on my end. This is totally opposite than what I was expecting with what others are saying.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Another event yesterday wet snow that actually triggered the piezo gauge. Davis tipping bucket 0.04, manual 8 0.08 and piezo had 0.15.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 09, 2022, 10:20:05 AM
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Maybe I need to mention that in the last two days we had very different rainfall and wind conditions - from no wind to 77 km/h and drizzle to strong rainfall, both accompanied by changing wind conditions.
The graphs of the two stations (HP2551 and GW2001) at ecowitt.net will make that clearer.
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=27607
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231
Anyone experiencing more rain on WS90 piezo gauge vs manual rain gauges and or any Davis tipping bucket type? Factory calibration on all rainfall rates on my end. This is totally opposite than what I was expecting with what others are saying.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Another event yesterday wet snow that actually triggered the piezo gauge. Davis tipping bucket 0.04, manual 8 0.08 and piezo had 0.15.

tweatherman
Is your ws90 a beta unit?
The versions on sale now have a new system on the piezo sensors that prevents triggering in high humidity condition.
Tested
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 09, 2022, 12:03:15 PM
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Maybe I need to mention that in the last two days we had very different rainfall and wind conditions - from no wind to 77 km/h and drizzle to strong rainfall, both accompanied by changing wind conditions.
The graphs of the two stations (HP2551 and GW2001) at ecowitt.net will make that clearer.
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=27607
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231
Anyone experiencing more rain on WS90 piezo gauge vs manual rain gauges and or any Davis tipping bucket type? Factory calibration on all rainfall rates on my end. This is totally opposite than what I was expecting with what others are saying.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Another event yesterday wet snow that actually triggered the piezo gauge. Davis tipping bucket 0.04, manual 8 0.08 and piezo had 0.15.

tweatherman
Is your ws90 a beta unit?
The versions on sale now have a new system on the piezo sensors that prevents triggering in high humidity condition.
Tested
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Yes mine is a beta unit. Thinking I may have to decrease sensitivity on offset calibration rate or just live with it?

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 09, 2022, 03:24:51 PM
just live with it if is a false triggering  :sad:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 09, 2022, 03:29:50 PM
calibration won't change this behaviour ... - as @giusGB said: live with it
same with snow - today the snow which had accumulated over night in the funnels of my WH65 and my WH40 has started melting and produced 16.0 mm (WH65) and 10.7 mm (WH40) - the WS90 provided 0.8 mm (where would it collect all the snow and how would it register the transformation from solid into liquid aggregate state ? It cannot.
Same with dew / condensed humidity or collected droplets. Will not show - at least not properly.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 09, 2022, 03:31:43 PM
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Maybe I need to mention that in the last two days we had very different rainfall and wind conditions - from no wind to 77 km/h and drizzle to strong rainfall, both accompanied by changing wind conditions.
The graphs of the two stations (HP2551 and GW2001) at ecowitt.net will make that clearer.
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=27607
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231
Anyone experiencing more rain on WS90 piezo gauge vs manual rain gauges and or any Davis tipping bucket type? Factory calibration on all rainfall rates on my end. This is totally opposite than what I was expecting with what others are saying.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Another event yesterday wet snow that actually triggered the piezo gauge. Davis tipping bucket 0.04, manual 8 0.08 and piezo had 0.15.

tweatherman
Is your ws90 a beta unit?
The versions on sale now have a new system on the piezo sensors that prevents triggering in high humidity condition.
Tested
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Yes mine is a beta unit. Thinking I may have to decrease sensitivity on offset calibration rate or just live with it?

Thanks,
tweatherman
But... try the new firmware  [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 09, 2022, 03:47:25 PM
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Maybe I need to mention that in the last two days we had very different rainfall and wind conditions - from no wind to 77 km/h and drizzle to strong rainfall, both accompanied by changing wind conditions.
The graphs of the two stations (HP2551 and GW2001) at ecowitt.net will make that clearer.
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=27607
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231
Anyone experiencing more rain on WS90 piezo gauge vs manual rain gauges and or any Davis tipping bucket type? Factory calibration on all rainfall rates on my end. This is totally opposite than what I was expecting with what others are saying.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Another event yesterday wet snow that actually triggered the piezo gauge. Davis tipping bucket 0.04, manual 8 0.08 and piezo had 0.15.

tweatherman
Is your ws90 a beta unit?
The versions on sale now have a new system on the piezo sensors that prevents triggering in high humidity condition.
Tested
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Yes mine is a beta unit. Thinking I may have to decrease sensitivity on offset calibration rate or just live with it?

Thanks,
tweatherman
But... try the new firmware  [tup]
I believe I have the latest firmware. 2.1.3 GW2000 and 1.6.4, 1.7.8 on 2551C.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 09, 2022, 03:48:19 PM
what @giusCB means is the new firmware 1.1.7 for the WS90
he mentioned that earlier in the thread and also provided a link for download
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 09, 2022, 03:49:25 PM
Yes confirm, not the gw2000
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 09, 2022, 03:55:39 PM
Yes confirm, not the gw2000
I finally saw the download zip file finally in past post. Im not familiar with how to install this as with the HP2551C. Can anyone help on how to install this firmware update?

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 09, 2022, 03:57:00 PM
Yes confirm, not the gw2000
I finally saw the download zip file finally in past post. Im not familiar with how to install this as with the HP2551C. Can anyone help on how to install this firmware update?

Thanks,
tweatherman
Unzip, there is a PDF with detail instruction. Use windows 10 if possible
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 09, 2022, 04:00:14 PM
Yes confirm, not the gw2000
I finally saw the download zip file finally in past post. Im not familiar with how to install this as with the HP2551C. Can anyone help on how to install this firmware update?

Thanks,
tweatherman
it is NOT installed with the HP2551 console - it is installed with the WS90 outdoor combo array.
In the download is a file which describes what you have to do in detail and with pictures.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 09, 2022, 04:52:14 PM
Yes confirm, not the gw2000
I finally saw the download zip file finally in past post. Im not familiar with how to install this as with the HP2551C. Can anyone help on how to install this firmware update?

Thanks,
tweatherman
it is NOT installed with the HP2551 console - it is installed with the WS90 outdoor combo array.
In the download is a file which describes what you have to do in detail and with pictures.
Yes,
I figured it wasnt done on the console.

Thanks
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 09, 2022, 05:01:52 PM
Yes confirm, not the gw2000
I finally saw the download zip file finally in past post. Im not familiar with how to install this as with the HP2551C. Can anyone help on how to install this firmware update?

Thanks,
tweatherman
it is NOT installed with the HP2551 console - it is installed with the WS90 outdoor combo array.
In the download is a file which describes what you have to do in detail and with pictures.
Yes,
I figured it wasnt done on the console.

Thanks
Gyvate,
I see the zip file download but I dont see any foot notes on installation for the WS90. Could you help me out and point me in the right direction.

Thanks
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 09, 2022, 05:14:19 PM
when you unzip the file there will be a pdf document included which describes the whole procedure
when you unzip/extract the files, it proposes a directory WS90 Upgrade(v1.1.7) Tool Kit
when you unpack/unzip/extract the files there, you will find the following content:
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the WS90 Firmware Upgrade help file.pdf contains the description
the readme.txt and version.txt you can ignore - they belong to the upgrade tool
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: KC5JIM on April 09, 2022, 05:14:51 PM
Inside the zip file a pdf document titled "WS90 Firmware upgrade Help File.pdf" that has instructions and pictures to walk you through the update.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 09, 2022, 05:30:03 PM
Inside the zip file a pdf document titled "WS90 Firmware upgrade Help File.pdf" that has instructions and pictures to walk you through the update.
Thanks a bunch to both of you.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Arkadiusz_w on April 10, 2022, 02:27:17 AM
Is it possible to upload this update from a computer with windows 10. It shows me some errors with the STM32 driver. I downloaded from the manufacturer's website and it is not possible to upload the update. How does it look like with you?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 10, 2022, 02:55:44 AM
I'm going to try my luck today. I had done this before with my WS80 and there was no issue with Windows 10. The driver shouldn't need to be extra downloaded. It is included in the Zip archive.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on April 10, 2022, 03:07:00 AM
Hi!

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Is it possible to upload this update from a computer with windows 10.
For me, it was no problem yesterday under Windows 10. However, I did not have to install the driver separately. Either this was already done by the installation routine. Or I already had the driver from other projects.

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Arkadiusz_w on April 10, 2022, 03:13:11 AM
It's weird. I installed the standard software and still had an STM32 driver error. I had information that there are no compatible drivers for this device.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on April 10, 2022, 03:31:51 AM
Hi!

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Ok, then Ecowitt has changed the behaviour with v2.1.3.
The keys are still included in the current version. It is possible that one have to activate the sending of these additional keys first - for example via a debug switch.
Or these keys are only sent to ecowitt.net and no longer via custom server.
In fact, various keys - including the key ws90_ver which indicates the version number of the WS90 firmware - are sent to ecowitt.net, but since firmware v2.1.1 no longer via custom server.
This is a pity - so unfortunately the version number check for the WS90 via EAR no longer works.

My enquiry to Ecowitt as to whether this is an oversight or whether these keys are deliberately sent exclusively to ecowitt.net is still unanswered.
I'll get back to you when I know more.

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 10, 2022, 04:05:59 AM
It's weird. I installed the standard software and still had an STM32 driver error. I had information that there are no compatible drivers for this device.
kurczę  ;)
let's see: krok po kroku
1. you unpack the zip file into the WS90 Upgrade(v1.1.7) Tool Kit directory
2. you install DfuSe_Demo_V3.0.6_Setup.exe
3. you go to C:\Program Files (x86)\STMicroelectronics\Software\DfuSe v3.0.6\Bin\Driver\Win10
4. you start dpinst_amd64.exe (as your Win10 installation is most likely a 64-bit installation)
after the installation completed you should see in the Device Manager under USB Devices (last entry of the device tree) the sub-entry "STM Device in DFU mode"
5. you go to C:\Program Files (x86)\STMicroelectronics\Software\DfuSe v3.0.6\Bin and start DfuSeDemo.exe
6. the driver should be shown in the firmware update interface on the top left
7. connect the USB cable with your PC and press the reset button (don't confuse it with the CAL button  8-))
8. continue following the instruction in the PDF file
good luck
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 10, 2022, 06:18:54 AM
new fw. upgrade https://foue.omnicamp1.com/link/624e3f9dd342a10020629a28/624e3f831761c6001e15ff02/60fe8857b211cd7ebb5ab8f2?signature=cc59e01b718a79b294b6eb140c6806da238a53bc37431e1702d7b4c1fede9d56

Anyone installed this firmware already? And what are the experiences? I'm a bit wary because it doesn't seem to be officially released  :???:
The update is mostly for beta units like yours.
says who ? And what is it supposed to do ?
Ecowitt responded regarding the firmware WS90 V.1.1.7:
"It is not features enhancement, but the rain detection pattern improvement, and this is not noticeable to ordinary users, but it will improve rain measurement accuracy. "

I'd consider the enhancement of the rain pattern detection as an enhancement of the haptic rain measurement feature, but so be it ...  \:D/
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 10, 2022, 01:00:46 PM
today's (wind)data
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difference up to 26km-h , quite impossible...  #-o
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: ivano on April 10, 2022, 02:16:08 PM
hi everyone, can you post me the wittboy firmware? it seems to be top secret
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on April 10, 2022, 03:25:38 PM
hi everyone, can you post me the wittboy firmware? it seems to be top secret
Look in this topic for the right link.. you can find it yourself.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 11, 2022, 12:10:41 PM
today's (wind)data
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difference up to 26km-h , quite impossible...  #-o
I tried to apply an offset but I immediately deleted it because the error is not linear, the problem is the gusts value, the real time one is quite allineated to davis' one.
Ecowitt says that they have tested the wittboy in wind gallery but all wittboy's data i've seen online has this problem  :oops:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 11, 2022, 12:29:43 PM
another example compared to a ws80
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in this case I don't know if there are offsets but the difference is evident here too

data source: https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=75539 https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=24281
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 11, 2022, 12:56:11 PM
hi everyone, can you post me the wittboy firmware? it seems to be top secret
@ivano
https://foue.omnicamp1.com/link/624e3f9dd342a10020629a28/624e3f831761c6001e15ff02/60fe8857b211cd7ebb5ab8f2?signature=cc59e01b718a79b294b6eb140c6806da238a53bc37431e1702d7b4c1fede9d56

no secret - just seems as if Ecowitt haven't managed yet to put the upgrade link on their web site under the GW2001 (Wittboy) product
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 11, 2022, 05:13:03 PM
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Maybe I need to mention that in the last two days we had very different rainfall and wind conditions - from no wind to 77 km/h and drizzle to strong rainfall, both accompanied by changing wind conditions.
The graphs of the two stations (HP2551 and GW2001) at ecowitt.net will make that clearer.
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=27607
https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=73231
Anyone experiencing more rain on WS90 piezo gauge vs manual rain gauges and or any Davis tipping bucket type? Factory calibration on all rainfall rates on my end. This is totally opposite than what I was expecting with what others are saying.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Another event yesterday wet snow that actually triggered the piezo gauge. Davis tipping bucket 0.04, manual 8 0.08 and piezo had 0.15.

tweatherman
Another rain event 8 manual 0.08 and WS90 0.32

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Bashy on April 11, 2022, 11:25:04 PM
Thats quite a difference 2mm and 8mm, respectively, sorry i can see it better when its in UK currency ;)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 13, 2022, 05:20:42 AM
the WS90 reads solar radiation systematically about 22% higher than the WS80 - and crosses the max solar radiation for the time of the year and your latitude.
If you want to bring the WS90 reading down to the WS80 level, a factor (gain) of 0.77 is needed.
BTW - Ecowitt technicians check this difference - wondering what their consclusion will be - because here - with the same exposition - the highlander principle applies:
"There can only one".  ;)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Bashy on April 13, 2022, 06:53:51 AM
the WS90 reads solar radiation systematically about 22% higher than the WS80 - and crosses the max solar radiation for the time of the year and your latitude.
If you want to bring the WS90 reading down to the WS80 level, a factor (gain) of 0.77 is needed.
BTW - Ecowitt technicians check this difference - wondering what their consclusion will be - because here - with the same exposition - the highlander principle applies:
"There can only one".  ;)

be, ya forgot the be ;) I love those movies :)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 13, 2022, 08:28:24 AM
the WS90 reads solar radiation systematically about 22% higher than the WS80 - and crosses the max solar radiation for the time of the year and your latitude.
If you want to bring the WS90 reading down to the WS80 level, a factor (gain) of 0.77 is needed.
BTW - Ecowitt technicians check this difference - wondering what their consclusion will be - because here - with the same exposition - the highlander principle applies:
"There can only one".  ;)
Mine is accurate, I don't have this problem. My ws80 undersrimate the radiation
Ps.
 Could you (please) tell to the engineers to do a firmware update to fix the gust reading?  :lol:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: KC5JIM on April 13, 2022, 04:24:06 PM
It's weird. I installed the standard software and still had an STM32 driver error. I had information that there are no compatible drivers for this device.
kurczę  ;)
let's see: krok po kroku
1. you unpack the zip file into the WS90 Upgrade(v1.1.7) Tool Kit directory
2. you install DfuSe_Demo_V3.0.6_Setup.exe
3. you go to C:\Program Files (x86)\STMicroelectronics\Software\DfuSe v3.0.6\Bin\Driver\Win10
4. you start dpinst_amd64.exe (as your Win10 installation is most likely a 64-bit installation)
after the installation completed you should see in the Device Manager under USB Devices (last entry of the device tree) the sub-entry "STM Device in DFU mode"
5. you go to C:\Program Files (x86)\STMicroelectronics\Software\DfuSe v3.0.6\Bin and start DfuSeDemo.exe
6. the driver should be shown in the firmware update interface on the top left
7. connect the USB cable with your PC and press the reset button (don't confuse it with the CAL button  8-))
8. continue following the instruction in the PDF file
good luck


RESOLVED:

It's a USB windows drivers problem:

I went back to STM Bootloader in Device Manager and clicked it to update drivers. Instead of clicking the top window to choose the directory for the driver (I tried that before and Windows said no need to change), I clicked the option below it to "search windows for devices with similar drivers". And guess what popped up! STM Bootloader **AND** STM Device in DFU Mode.

I clicked the DFU Mode one, it loaded and works

ORIGINAL:
I followed all of that. It shows up in device manager, but the DfuSe_Demo_V3 software does not see it.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 13, 2022, 04:27:06 PM
There is an error. You need to connect the station in dfu mode before installing the driver, only after that you can install the correct driver (disconnect the station)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: KC5JIM on April 13, 2022, 04:31:11 PM
There is an error. You need to connect the station in dfu mode before installing the driver, only after that you can install the correct driver (disconnect the station)

I did that. Windows simply chose the wrong driver.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Bashy on April 13, 2022, 07:32:18 PM
the WS90 reads solar radiation systematically about 22% higher than the WS80 - and crosses the max solar radiation for the time of the year and your latitude.
If you want to bring the WS90 reading down to the WS80 level, a factor (gain) of 0.77 is needed.
BTW - Ecowitt technicians check this difference - wondering what their consclusion will be - because here - with the same exposition - the highlander principle applies:
"There can only one".  ;)
Mine is accurate, I don't have this problem. My ws80 undersrimate the radiation
Ps.
 Could you (please) tell to the engineers to do a firmware update to fix the gust reading?  :lol:

My WS80 is also too low compared to the Davis (1.10*) but the UV was way too high (0.65*)
*calibration
Whats the newer WS90 radiation shield like compared to the WS80, i find the WS80 isnt good enough, ive seen the temp > +2C compared to the Davis but that could be in part due to the location of the Davis FARS being up on the Mast at about 3m.

WS80 compared to Davis probe in the homemade FARS is about +1C but I will be moving the Davis to the same location at 7ft and moving the WS90 to about 10m up the mast and getting an extra temp for lower down.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on April 14, 2022, 03:11:04 AM
the WS90 reads solar radiation systematically about 22% higher than the WS80 - and crosses the max solar radiation for the time of the year and your latitude.
If you want to bring the WS90 reading down to the WS80 level, a factor (gain) of 0.77 is needed.
BTW - Ecowitt technicians check this difference - wondering what their consclusion will be - because here - with the same exposition - the highlander principle applies:
"There can only one".  ;)
Mine is accurate, I don't have this problem. My ws80 undersrimate the radiation
Ps.
 Could you (please) tell to the engineers to do a firmware update to fix the gust reading?  :lol:

My WS80 is also too low compared to the Davis (1.10*) but the UV was way too high (0.65*)
*calibration
Whats the newer WS90 radiation shield like compared to the WS80, i find the WS80 isnt good enough, ive seen the temp > +2C compared to the Davis but that could be in part due to the location of the Davis FARS being up on the Mast at about 3m.

WS80 compared to Davis probe in the homemade FARS is about +1C but I will be moving the Davis to the same location at 7ft and moving the WS90 to about 10m up the mast and getting an extra temp for lower down.

My WS90 (Wittboy) compared to my nearest official station (EGHH Airport) Temp/Dew Point spot on so is pressure.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 14, 2022, 03:56:29 AM
@Aircub:
your pressure is measured in the console (e.g. the GW2000) , not in the outdoor array (here WS90) - so the accuravy you observed regarding air presure compared to your nearest METAR station (airport) is due to a good GW2000 pressure calibration (provided the airport and your place sit on the same isobar).

Outdoor temperature can vary by a few degrees due to many microclimatic influences. If your WS90 shows the same temperature as a nearby airport, I'd consider that rather a coincidence than a sign of reading accuracy.

For reading accuracy you need a properly shielded reference sensor at the same location (place/height).
Comparing e.g. to a Davis temperature sensor in a FARS which sits 2m higher than the sensor to compare with  is no longer a proper reference.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: eliteweathernz on April 14, 2022, 04:07:22 AM
Has anyone worked out some baseline piezo rainfall correction factors?? 
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on April 14, 2022, 04:08:53 AM
@Aircub:
your pressure is measured in the console (e.g. the GW2000) , not in the outdoor array (here WS90) - so the accuravy you observed regarding air presure compared to your nearest METAR station (airport) is due to a good GW2000 pressure calibration (provided the airport and your place sit on the same isobar).

Outdoor temperature can vary by a few degrees due to many microclimatic influences. If your WS90 shows the same temperature as a nearby airport, I'd consider that rather a coincidence than a sign of reading accuracy.

For reading accuracy you need a properly shielded reference sensor at the same location (place/height).
Comparing e.g. to a Davis temperature sensor in a FARS which sits 2m higher than the sensor to compare with  is no longer a proper reference.

I am sorry I made a comment, just my observations. :roll:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 14, 2022, 04:10:42 AM

I am sorry I made a comment, just my observations. :roll:
No worries.  Just good to know how things work. ;)
And how an observation comes about...
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 14, 2022, 04:13:16 AM
Has anyone worked out some baseline piezo rainfall correction factors??
wait some events before putting a calibration, we'll see (before) how works the new fw.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on April 14, 2022, 01:53:41 PM
Is there a way to reset an individual temp graph. I received a new WN34L thermometer today, setting it up inside obviously gave the wrong high temp, would like to reset it.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 14, 2022, 02:43:16 PM
Is there a way to reset an individual temp graph. I received a new WN34L thermometer today, setting it up inside obviously gave the wrong high temp, would like to reset it.
on ecowitt cloud ... no, not possible
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Arkadiusz_w on April 14, 2022, 02:50:38 PM
For me, the measurement with WS90 is the same as with WS80. But I am amazed by Barani iot wind. At low wind speeds, the difference is usually around 1-2 km/h. It rises above 10-15 km/h. Often, when Barani Wind reports 18-19 km/h, WS80 / WS90 reports around 28-30 km/h. Barani boasted that their elliptical anemometer records wind speed more accurately and better than ultrasonic anemometers.

The nearby stations of the state weather service record values similar or even analogous to Ecowitt ultrasonic.

Recently, while crossing the cold front, Barani Meteowind measured 40,4 km/h, while WS80 / WS90 54 km/h. Analogous values as the Ecowitt ultrasounds were given by the telemetry stations of the Polish weather service.

The WS68 Ecowitt at that time reported 38.5 km / h.

I use Wireless MeteoWind IoT Pro

https://www.baranidesign.com/wind-sensors

Here are photos of my installations.




Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 14, 2022, 02:58:12 PM
For me, the measurement with WS90 is the same as with WS80. But I am amazed by Barani iot wind. At low wind speeds, the difference is usually around 1-2 km/h. It rises above 10-15 km/h. Often, when Barani Wind reports 18-19 km/h, WS80 / WS90 reports around 28-30 km/h. Barani boasted that their elliptical anemometer records wind speed more accurately and better than ultrasonic anemometers.

The nearby stations of the state weather service record values similar or even analogous to Ecowitt ultrasonic.

Recently, while crossing the cold front, Barani Meteowind measured 40,4 km/h, while WS80 / WS90 54 km/h. Analogous values as the Ecowitt ultrasounds were given by the telemetry stations of the Polish weather service.

The WS68 Ecowitt at that time reported 38.5 km / h.

I use Wireless MeteoWind IoT Pro

https://www.baranidesign.com/wind-sensors

Here are photos of my installations.
good job !!
ecowitt told me that with the latest update (on ws80) he changed the gust measurement criteria also on the ws80.
 I didn't get to try. But your comparision worries me ...  ](*,)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Arkadiusz_w on April 14, 2022, 03:09:42 PM
I'm already lost in all this and I do not know which anemometer is showing the truth. Barani iot wind is like a professional anemometer. However, logically, it is ultrasound that should better measure sudden, strong gusts of wind.

I wonder if anyone has similar experiences?

Theoretically, more time anenometers may stop when the wind changes suddenly. Ultrasonic anemometers don't suffer from this problem.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on April 14, 2022, 03:34:06 PM
Is there a way to reset an individual temp graph. I received a new WN34L thermometer today, setting it up inside obviously gave the wrong high temp, would like to reset it.
on ecowitt cloud ... no, not possible

Thanks thought so
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 14, 2022, 03:58:52 PM
I'm already lost in all this and I do not know which anemometer is showing the truth. Barani iot wind is like a professional anemometer. However, logically, it is ultrasound that should better measure sudden, strong gusts of wind.

I wonder if anyone has similar experiences?

Theoretically, more time anenometers may stop when the wind changes suddenly. Ultrasonic anemometers don't suffer from this problem.

you are right, there can certainly be differences in the same location. But not differences of 15-20 or 30 km / h as it happened to me. Certainly the barani is the most reliable of the group.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Arkadiusz_w on April 16, 2022, 06:59:40 AM
Preliminary comparison of Barani MeteoWind IoT Pro, WS80 Ecowitt, WS68 Ecowitt from the past 7 days. The tests also include the WS90 obtained from Ecowitt. At the moment I can say that the gusts of wind and average speed are the same as for the WS80. The rainfall from the touch rain gauge is overstated compared to the tray rain gauge. Additional calibration is required and I will do it in days. Soon I will publish more detailed data from the WittBoy which I received as part of the collaboration.

In my opinion, ultrasonic anemometers catch higher gusts of wind. Both Barani MeteoWind and WS68 have lower values. It should be borne in mind that the Barani anemometers are a class above Davis and meet the requirements of WMO, NWS, MEASNET. The WS68 from Ecowitt is a fairly weak anemometer, it has a very low sensitivity to the Barani wind vane. In low wind conditions, Barani Wind shows values ​​similar to ultrasound. Then the WS68 often does not rotate, because it has quite a large inertia and shows 0 km / h, or very low values. As the wind speed increases, the discrepancy between the cup and ultrasonic anemometers increases.

He observes the nearby posts of the Institute of Meteorology and Water Management and the gusts of wind are often analogous or similar to those at PSHM stations, if we take into account the data from WS80 / 90.
I'm now waiting for more extreme weather conditions. Especially stormy ones, because that's when even professional ultrasonic anemometers have a problem with the correct measurement of the wind, when it rains heavily and blows strongly.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 16, 2022, 07:06:26 AM
Preliminary comparison of Barani MeteoWind IoT Pro, WS80 Ecowitt, WS68 Ecowitt from the past 7 days. The tests also include the WS90 obtained from Ecowitt. At the moment I can say that the gusts of wind and average speed are the same as for the WS80. The rainfall from the touch rain gauge is overstated compared to the tray rain gauge. Additional calibration is required and I will do it in days. Soon I will publish more detailed data from the WittBoy which I received as part of the collaboration.

In my opinion, ultrasonic anemometers catch higher gusts of wind. Both Barani MeteoWind and WS68 have lower values. It should be borne in mind that the Barani anemometers are a class above Davis and meet the requirements of WMO, NWS, MEASNET. The WS68 from Ecowitt is a fairly weak anemometer, it has a very low sensitivity to the Barani wind vane. In low wind conditions, Barani Wind shows values ​​similar to ultrasound. Then the WS68 often does not rotate, because it has quite a large inertia and shows 0 km / h, or very low values. As the wind speed increases, the discrepancy between the cup and ultrasonic anemometers increases.

He observes the nearby posts of the Institute of Meteorology and Water Management and the gusts of wind are often analogous or similar to those at PSHM stations, if we take into account the data from WS80 / 90.
I'm now waiting for more extreme weather conditions. Especially stormy ones, because that's when even professional ultrasonic anemometers have a problem with the correct measurement of the wind, when it rains heavily and blows strongly.
Is your ws80 upgraded to the latest fw. ?
In the latest firmware version they changed the gust reading mode also on the ws80 and I think there is now an error also on the ws80  ](*,) (with the previous versions everything was ok)

Comparisons must be made on the same location, do not consider the data of nearby stations, there can be huge differences.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Arkadiusz_w on April 16, 2022, 07:25:58 AM
The software has not been updated since the news. I received the WS80 device in February, WS90 a few days ago and it tests side by side in parallel.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 16, 2022, 07:54:10 AM
The software has not been updated since the news. I received the WS80 device in February, WS90 a few days ago and it tests side by side in parallel.
15-20 km h of difference is too much in same location
is your data online ?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Arkadiusz_w on April 16, 2022, 08:04:45 AM
This is how I send data to the internet. Only with WS68, WS80, WS90. I can't do this with Aries data to be displayed on WU. The instruction on the Barani website is incomprehensible.

https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/ILUBLI40
https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/ILUBLI38
https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/ILUBLI35
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 16, 2022, 08:10:13 AM
This is how I send data to the internet. Only with WS68, WS80, WS90. I can't do this with Aries data to be displayed on WU. The instruction on the Barani website is incomprehensible.

https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/ILUBLI40
https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/ILUBLI38
https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/ILUBLI35
ILUBLI38 is ws80 and ILUBLI35 is ws90 ?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Arkadiusz_w on April 16, 2022, 08:11:20 AM
ILUBLI35, WS80, ILUBLI38, WS68, ILUBLI40, WS90.

WS90 https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=81791
WS80 https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=76642
WS68 https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=77123

Barani

https://weather.allmeteo.com/#/ws/2201LW038
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 16, 2022, 11:59:21 AM
ILUBLI35, WS80, ILUBLI38, WS68, ILUBLI40, WS90.

WS90 https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=81791
WS80 https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=76642
WS68 https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=77123

Barani

https://weather.allmeteo.com/#/ws/2201LW038
Thanks so much, I forward your links to ecowitt, I'm waiting their response.
There is a massive difference also in your datas. I really don't understand what happened with newer firmware  #-o
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 16, 2022, 02:44:00 PM
ILUBLI35, WS80, ILUBLI38, WS68, ILUBLI40, WS90.

WS90 https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=81791
WS80 https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=76642
WS68 https://www.ecowitt.net/home/index?id=77123

Barani

https://weather.allmeteo.com/#/ws/2201LW038
Thanks so much, I forward your links to ecowitt, I'm waiting their response.
There is a massive difference also in your datas. I really don't understand what happened with newer firmware  #-o
Is he running the latest firmware on the WS90?

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Arkadiusz_w on April 16, 2022, 02:47:49 PM
I got a sales piece from Ecowitt. The only thing I noticed was that the irradiance and uv are overestimated because of this, and the rainfall from the touch rain gauge. Barani Wind, in my opinion, will always lower the gusts of wind, because it has inertia. However, it is much better than the WS68. Today, the difference in maximum gusts reached 15 km / h in relation to cup and ultrasonic wind gauges. The wind was similar in the region. Mostly gusts at IMGW stations ranged from 38 km / h to 53 km / h.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on April 16, 2022, 05:52:25 PM
In fact, various keys - including the key ws90_ver which indicates the version number of the WS90 firmware - are sent to ecowitt.net, but since firmware v2.1.1 no longer via custom server.
This is a pity - so unfortunately the version number check for the WS90 via EAR no longer works.

My enquiry to Ecowitt as to whether this is an oversight or whether these keys are deliberately sent exclusively to ecowitt.net is still unanswered.
I'll get back to you when I know more.

I still don't have an answer from Ecowitt but in the current firmware version v2.1.4 for GW1100 (https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=43782.0) and GW2000 (https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=43783.0) the key ws90_ver is sent via custom server again.
This means that you can now use EAR (https://ear.phantasoft.de) again to check which firmware version your WS90 has and whether an update is available.

Regards, Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 16, 2022, 11:43:53 PM
In fact, various keys - including the key ws90_ver which indicates the version number of the WS90 firmware - are sent to ecowitt.net, but since firmware v2.1.1 no longer via custom server.
This is a pity - so unfortunately the version number check for the WS90 via EAR no longer works.

My enquiry to Ecowitt as to whether this is an oversight or whether these keys are deliberately sent exclusively to ecowitt.net is still unanswered.
I'll get back to you when I know more.




I still don't have an answer from Ecowitt but in the current firmware version v2.1.4 for GW1100 (https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=43782.0) and GW2000 (https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=43783.0) the key ws90_ver is sent via custom server again.
This means that you can now use EAR (https://ear.phantasoft.de) again to check which firmware version your WS90 has and whether an update is available.

Regards, Oliver
I got the ear to work on my end. Running v109 on WS90. v117 currently available for it. How many versions behind is my current version Olicat?

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on April 17, 2022, 02:50:17 AM
Hi!

Quote
How many versions behind is my current version Olicat?
I don't know exactly.
Since Ecowitt does not currently offer an overview of the different firmware versions, I have to search for and compile the available versions in all publicly accessible areas.
But I think that v1.17 came directly after v1.09 - at least that is my personal update history.
However, v1.17 has not yet been publicly advertised by Ecowitt - the reference to this update came from this forum.

Happy Easter!
Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 17, 2022, 03:24:19 AM
Hi!

Quote
How many versions behind is my current version Olicat?
I don't know exactly.
Since Ecowitt does not currently offer an overview of the different firmware versions, I have to search for and compile the available versions in all publicly accessible areas.
But I think that v1.17 came directly after v1.09 - at least that is my personal update history.
However, v1.17 has not yet been publicly advertised by Ecowitt - the reference to this update came from this forum.

Happy Easter!
Oliver
Is there a way to open and read the dfu file?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: davidefa on April 17, 2022, 04:31:13 AM
You can convert dfu file to s19/hex/bin ( see: DfuSe v3.0.6\Bin\Doc\UM0412.pdf pag. 20 )
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on April 17, 2022, 04:39:32 AM
Hi!

Interesting.
Perhaps one could flash without Windows with a Android smartphone instead?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yatrim.stmdfuusb

In any case, I would find it more comfortable to climb onto the roof with a tablet or smartphone instead of a notebook.

Who dares to try?

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 17, 2022, 04:47:19 AM
Who has the courage to try?  :lol:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Arkadiusz_w on April 17, 2022, 10:16:59 AM
Hi!

Interesting.
Perhaps one could flash without Windows with a Android smartphone instead?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yatrim.stmdfuusb

In any case, I would find it more comfortable to climb onto the roof with a tablet or smartphone instead of a notebook.


Is this how you can update the WS80 / WS90 software without a laptop by downloading the drivers from the Ecowitt website?

I noticed one more disturbing thing. WS90 unnaturally increases the UV index. Irradiance, despite the set offset, does not react properly.

Who dares to try?

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 17, 2022, 10:58:57 AM
Seems like quite a pain to do a firmware update with a pc anyway regardless even if your WS90 was on a tripod at ground level.

Tim
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on April 17, 2022, 11:08:00 AM
Seems like quite a pain to do a firmware update with a pc anyway regardless even if your WS90 was on a tripod at ground level.

I don't agree. If you follow the instructions properly, it is 5 minutes of work  [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 18, 2022, 12:02:51 AM
Just installed my wittboy and it's running on my off-grid solar panel system (no AA batteries installed in the wittboy).

Current outdoor temperature is around +2oC, and you can everytime the wittboy heater turns on, it draws about 0.8 amps form my battery (those rectangular dips about every 30 minutes).

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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 18, 2022, 10:50:36 AM
and here's the entire night (Witboy's first cold night), you can see clearly when the heater turns on and off (x axis is current in Amps). The sunlight complelely disappears at aroun 9 pm so then my loads run on full battery power (hence the gradual drop at around that time).

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and coresponding temperature.

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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 18, 2022, 03:43:08 PM
does anybody know what FW version the Non-beta version for the Wittboy is? i.e. the once that just got shipped a couple of weeks ago for the backers. Is is the latest 1.1.7? thanks
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: KC5JIM on April 18, 2022, 04:31:38 PM
I had to update mine to 1.1.7 with the WS90_Upgrade_v1.1.7_Tool_Kit  found here: https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=43139.msg445460#msg445460
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 18, 2022, 05:36:49 PM
does anybody know what FW version the Non-beta version for the Wittboy is? i.e. the once that just got shipped a couple of weeks ago for the backers. Is is the latest 1.1.7? thanks
yes, it's V.1.1.7 and it applies to both hardware revisions: beta release (Rev1) and kickstarter release (Rev2).
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on April 18, 2022, 06:15:25 PM
Hi!

At least my WS90 was delivered with v1.09 - I also manually updated to v1.17.
The existing firmware version can be checked via EAR (https://ear.phantasoft.de) (provided the GW2000 firmware is v2.1.4). An update is then suggested there if necessary.

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 18, 2022, 06:19:53 PM
thanks and good to know!

I just flashed 1.1.7 (without knowing what version it had before) and it went well.

Cheers
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on April 19, 2022, 02:29:37 AM
The GW2000 and the WS90 are now published on the Ecowitt webshop, without a price and quantity, so not able to order it (yet):
GW2000: https://www.ecowitt.com/shop/goodsDetail/178
WS90: https://www.ecowitt.com/shop/goodsDetail/249
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on April 19, 2022, 02:50:04 AM
Also a new combination will be available with the new announced HP2560 display and the WS90. See Ecowitt.com:
https://www.ecowitt.com/shop/goodsDetail/251 (WS90+HP2560 = HP2564)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 19, 2022, 04:25:59 AM
new V.1.1.9 fw. with " new pattern gauging algorithm " for wind speed is in testing.
i'll upload it when i'm sure it works ok.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on April 19, 2022, 10:45:30 AM
First day of decent rain with the Kickstarter Wittboy

.72" (18.3mm)  Wittboy WS 90
.72" (18.3mm)  WH40 - 1
.65" (16.5mm)  WH40 - 2 (Checked unit after, was dirty)
.82" (20.8mm)  WH65
.69" (17.5mm)  Manual gauge

I'm not upset with the values for this 1 incident

Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 19, 2022, 11:32:01 AM
here's night #2 for the Wittboy. This was a test for the transition of temperature to heating zone. During the day, the temperature was at +11oC, then over night, the temperature dropped to +1oC. At around 2 am, that's when the temperature went below +5oC and you can see the Wittboys heater turn on with the dips in current from my off-grid battery current draw.

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Ok, I'm very happy with the how the heater function works (important for clold climates such as mine). It would be intersting to see how well this works when temps get to -40oC next winter!
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 19, 2022, 12:29:37 PM
here's night #2 for the Wittboy. This was a test for the transition of temperature to heating zone. During the day, the temperature was at +11oC, then over night, the temperature dropped to +1oC. At around 2 am, that's when the temperature went below +5oC and you can see the Wittboys heater turn on with the dips in current from my off-grid battery current draw.

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Ok, I'm very happy with the how the heater function works (important for clold climates such as mine). It would be intersting to see how well this works when temps get to -40oC next winter!

have you noticed a rise in temperature? I'm afraid it might affect the TH
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 19, 2022, 12:35:20 PM
First day of decent rain with the Kickstarter Wittboy

.72" (18.3mm)  Wittboy WS 90
.72" (18.3mm)  WH40 - 1
.65" (16.5mm)  WH40 - 2 (Checked unit after, was dirty)
.82" (20.8mm)  WH65
.69" (17.5mm)  Manual gauge

I'm not upset with the values for this 1 incident
the wh65 overestimate by default of +25% , you can set and offset ( 0.847 )
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on April 19, 2022, 12:44:13 PM
Yes, I know, I have volumes of data on the WH65, WH40s , I prefer to not calibrate it. (just me)
It doesn't report to anything public of note. You can probably find it on one of my Ecowitt sites, but eh...

I am more interested in informing myself on the weather, testing some , than really pushing my data out to other sites

Figure a buyer of any of these units, maybe with exception for those that read this forum, don't calibrate anything.





Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 19, 2022, 12:52:00 PM
have you noticed a rise in temperature? I'm afraid it might affect the TH

Excellent question. Here is the reported temperature from the same time frame.

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it does seem to have a small effect on the temperature, between 0.1 to 0.4 oC.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on April 19, 2022, 12:59:51 PM
does anybody know what FW version the Non-beta version for the Wittboy is? i.e. the once that just got shipped a couple of weeks ago for the backers. Is is the latest 1.1.7? thanks
yes, it's V.1.1.7 and it applies to both hardware revisions: beta release (Rev1) and kickstarter release (Rev2).

I think the question was, and I'm not that smart or missed it, how do you determine what the firmware version is on the device?
So what firmware did the kickstarter , ok lets call them production version ship with?
I am confused by the you saying the Beta version shipped with 1.1.7 as well
I mean for those that are just now receiving their production versions, do they need to upgrade their firmware to 1.1.7, or did it ship that way. for the Betas, yeah , you got yours before the firmware upgrade
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 19, 2022, 01:01:26 PM
does anybody know what FW version the Non-beta version for the Wittboy is? i.e. the once that just got shipped a couple of weeks ago for the backers. Is is the latest 1.1.7? thanks
yes, it's V.1.1.7 and it applies to both hardware revisions: beta release (Rev1) and kickstarter release (Rev2).

I think the question was, and I'm not that smart or missed it, how do you determine what the firmware version is on the device?
So what firmware did the kickstarter , ok lets call them production version ship with?
I am confused by the you saying the Beta version shipped with 1.1.7 as well
try this https://ear.phantasoft.de/
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on April 19, 2022, 01:05:40 PM
hehehe, yeah I should, thanks Oliver :)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on April 19, 2022, 03:08:29 PM
Oliver,
Have you seen an instance where the firmware version of the WS90 is reported ?

Edit: I don't believe this data is available from the custom server upload. I might look at the SDR data , but I have to switch radios to do that.
Yes I did look at the ear data, maybe I missed it


 
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 19, 2022, 05:07:34 PM
Oliver,
Have you seen an instance where the firmware version of the WS90 is reported ?

Edit: I don't believe this data is available from the custom server upload. I might look at the SDR data , but I have to switch radios to do that.
Yes I did look at the ear data, maybe I missed it
Its toward the bottom of the report so to speak and its there.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on April 19, 2022, 05:09:24 PM
Hi!

Quote
I don't believe this data is available from the custom server upload.
It is. At least with version v2.1.4 again.
The corresponding key is "ws90_ver":
Quote
ws90_ver   117

And there was also a reminder for a possible update seen:
Quote
There's a newer firmware V117 available for the WS90 (current: V109)- please check the MANUAL & SOFTWARE section on Ecowitt homepage for the WS90 and follow the instructions for the firmware update described there.

So with firmware v2.1.4 this key is send via custom server again (missed in v2.1.2 and v2.1.3).

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 19, 2022, 05:11:20 PM
Hi!

Quote
I don't believe this data is available from the custom server upload.
It is. At least with version v2.1.4 again.
The corresponding key is "ws90_ver":
Quote
ws90_ver   117

And there was also a reminder for a possible update seen:
Quote
There's a newer firmware V117 available for the WS90 (current: V109)- please check the MANUAL & SOFTWARE section on Ecowitt homepage for the WS90 and follow the instructions for the firmware update described there.

So with firmware v2.1.4 this key is send via custom server again (missed in v2.1.2 and v2.1.3).

Oliver
Thanks for the clarification Oliver.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 19, 2022, 05:21:56 PM
Im actually pretty impressed with the temperature and humidity readings on the WS90 beta version.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on April 19, 2022, 05:47:43 PM
Hi!

Quote
Im actually pretty impressed with the temperature and humidity readings on the WS90 beta version.
I agree.
The indoor T/H responds much faster (while opening a window). And the outdoor seems to be better shielded.
Have a look to my comparison - the WH31-D is a standard WH31 in a Davis 7714 passive (but massive) radiation shield:

https://snapshots.raintank.io/dashboard/snapshot/zcUUayqqgSU4XoGJRJOoy6Icvz2iEU4q

It looks like the temperature value of the WS90 is more in line with reality.

I am not yet really satisfied with the wind data. The wind direction is very fidgety and the wind speed and gusts seem to me to be much too high.
The SR seems to be a bit too high.
With the rain it is such a thing. I have already seen comparable values here with the WH65. But the next day - with a light drizzle - no rain at all was detected by the WS90. At least the WH65 showed some rain. But I still lack real comparative data.

Oliver

Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 20, 2022, 05:21:35 AM
Hi!

Quote
Im actually pretty impressed with the temperature and humidity readings on the WS90 beta version.

It looks like the temperature value of the WS90 is more in line with reality.

With newer fw. version (1.1.9) the automatic algorithm for temperature correction was deactivated after a request by some Italian beta testers. As we know I'm banned from them so I don't have any more information. I'll ask to ecowitt what is their strategy about that.
Now with 1.1.9 I've a massive overestimate
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on April 20, 2022, 07:54:04 AM
Thanks Oliver.
found the firmware version, funny how I missed it .

So the unit shipped with 1.1.7
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 20, 2022, 08:08:26 AM
Hi, just wondering if one of you can check something. If you have the AC/DC power pack for the wittboy, and run it only on that with no batteries installed, what does the battery indicator show?

Im currently troubleshooting with Ecowitt about this. I have a low battery indicator on when running on DC power and no installed batteries.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 20, 2022, 09:16:16 AM
new 1.1.9fw can be download here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dBrjOhfrJn7va4eUVSwOxgJsf8qn8UHY/view 
this fw. help to fix wrong gust values
please give it a try and let us know if it works  [tup] [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: rage302 on April 20, 2022, 10:06:46 AM
Hi, just wondering if one of you can check something. If you have the AC/DC power pack for the wittboy, and run it only on that with no batteries installed, what does the battery indicator show?

Im currently troubleshooting with Ecowitt about this. I have a low battery indicator on when running on DC power and no installed batteries.

Hi,
I'm using just the AC/DC Power and my battery indicator shows ~0,6V LOW (in red) at nights and starts rising as soon as the UV panel produces some Power.
I will install 2 AA Batteries in the meantime since ecowitt will hopefully fix this with a firmware update.
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 20, 2022, 10:29:46 AM
[quote author=Autofill link=topic=43139.msg445957#msg445957

Hi,
I'm using just the AC/DC Power and my battery indicator shows ~0,6V LOW (in red) at nights and starts rising as soon as the UV panel produces some Power.
I will install 2 AA Batteries in the meantime since ecowitt will hopefully fix this with a firmware update.
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Thank you very much for confirming this behavior as this is what I'm experiencing exactly!

According to Ecowitt there is no hardware in the wittboy that can distinguish between AC/DC power or battery power, meaning definitely this would have to be a software or firmware fix.

Thank you for confirming this again at least now I know my unit is not defective and operating as designed.


Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on April 20, 2022, 10:55:54 AM
Quote
According to Ecowitt there is no hardware in the wittboy that can distinguish between AC/DC power or battery power, meaning definitely this would have to be a software or firmware fix.

There has to be something, at least in my thought process, as one would not want the heater activated on just battery power.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 20, 2022, 11:14:41 AM
Quote
According to Ecowitt there is no hardware in the wittboy that can distinguish between AC/DC power or battery power, meaning definitely this would have to be a software or firmware fix.

There has to be something, at least in my thought process, as one would not want the heater activated on just battery power.

That is a good point you raise. Hopefully if enough people bring this to Ecowitt's attention then can resolve it sooner. Its no big deal, except having that low battery indicator warning.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 20, 2022, 05:27:30 PM
Hi!

Quote
Im actually pretty impressed with the temperature and humidity readings on the WS90 beta version.

It looks like the temperature value of the WS90 is more in line with reality.

With newer fw. version (1.1.9) the automatic algorithm for temperature correction was deactivated after a request by some Italian beta testers. As we know I'm banned from them so I don't have any more information. I'll ask to ecowitt what is their strategy about that.
Now with 1.1.9 I've a massive overestimate
So even with radiation compensation off in 1.0.9 is it still in that particular firmware that still compensates or is it raw sensor data?

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 21, 2022, 04:23:58 AM
Hi!

Quote
Im actually pretty impressed with the temperature and humidity readings on the WS90 beta version.

It looks like the temperature value of the WS90 is more in line with reality.

With newer fw. version (1.1.9) the automatic algorithm for temperature correction was deactivated after a request by some Italian beta testers. As we know I'm banned from them so I don't have any more information. I'll ask to ecowitt what is their strategy about that.
Now with 1.1.9 I've a massive overestimate
So even with radiation compensation off in 1.0.9 is it still in that particular firmware that still compensates or is it raw sensor data?

Thanks,
tweatherman
raw data
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 21, 2022, 04:24:26 AM
new 1.1.9fw can be download here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dBrjOhfrJn7va4eUVSwOxgJsf8qn8UHY/view 
this fw. help to fix wrong gust values
please give it a try and let us know if it works  [tup] [tup]
UP !
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: rage302 on April 21, 2022, 09:24:46 AM
Hi guys,
any recommendations to upgrade the ws90 to fw 1.1.9? Or is 1.1.7 good to go?

Thanks
greetings rage
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 21, 2022, 07:18:10 PM
Hi!

Quote
Im actually pretty impressed with the temperature and humidity readings on the WS90 beta version.

It looks like the temperature value of the WS90 is more in line with reality.

With newer fw. version (1.1.9) the automatic algorithm for temperature correction was deactivated after a request by some Italian beta testers. As we know I'm banned from them so I don't have any more information. I'll ask to ecowitt what is their strategy about that.
Now with 1.1.9 I've a massive overestimate
So even with radiation compensation off in 1.0.9 is it still in that particular firmware that still compensates or is it raw sensor data?

Thanks,
tweatherman
raw data
Was hoping that was the case.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 22, 2022, 08:50:38 AM
rain event today (17mm-h RR Max.)

ws90(1.1.9fw) 16.6mm (default gain setting)
VP2                14.0mm
Manual Gauge 13.5mm
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Arkadiusz_w on April 22, 2022, 11:43:27 AM
Yesterday I was able to update the WS90 to the latest software version.With the help of a forum colleague giusCB.  He stopped indicating the wind speed in the box and in the room in the absence of flow. I put it on the roof last night. This is how the measurement data looks like from 00:00 to 17:20.

WS90 and WS80 are 4-5 meters apart. WS90 is slightly higher by about 1 m. On two separate masts. The WS80 is next to the Barani MeteoWind and the WS90 is next to the WS68 Ecowitt.

The measurement results can be seen below. They are from WS90, WS80, WS68 and Barani Wind. In my opinion, the differences in measurement between ultrasonic and cup anemometers result from the measurement technology. For me, the differences between Barani Wind and WS80 rarely exceed 10 km / h. In light winds, they often report similar or analogous values. On the other hand, with increasingly stronger and especially sudden gusts of wind, the ultrasonic anemometer catches higher values. More than once Barani did not catch a short, sudden gust, while the WS80 caught it and showed values higher by about 10-17 km / h. We must remember that classic wind gauges can stop when the wind direction suddenly changes.

Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 22, 2022, 11:54:38 AM

The measurement results can be seen below. They are from WS90, WS80, WS68 and Barani Wind. In my opinion, the differences in measurement between ultrasonic and cup anemometers result from the measurement technology. For me, the differences between Barani Wind and WS80 rarely exceed 10 km / h. In light winds, they often report similar or analogous values. On the other hand, with increasingly stronger and especially sudden gusts of wind, the ultrasonic anemometer catches higher values. More than once Barani did not catch a short, sudden gust, while the WS80 caught it and showed values higher by about 10-17 km / h. We must remember that classic wind gauges can stop when the wind direction suddenly changes.
Not only this, cup anemometers by design only capture wind two-dimensionally (horizontally) while ultrasonic anemometers capture three-dimensionally and can catch tensors/vectors of the airflow in the third dimension which escape the cup anemometers' capturing. Simplified: cup = horizontal airflow; ultrasonic = horizontal plus vertical airflow.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 22, 2022, 12:05:11 PM
They use a particular method to record the <gust> value, I'm near to find what is the problem.
The difference will be always present, but never over 15-20kmh in same location
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 22, 2022, 12:20:11 PM
Thanks for your work  [tup] [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Arkadiusz_w on April 22, 2022, 12:27:36 PM
I wonder if the WS80 / WS90 are for sure aneneometers measuring in three dimensions.

These are for sure

https://sklep.meteoplus.pl/p/358/1887/deltaohm-hd-2003-wiatromierz-ultradzwiekowy-trojosiowy-anemometr-professional-turbulencja-dodatkowe-czujniki-rs232-422-485-wg-komunikacji-stacje- meteorological-equipment-professional.html

https://sklep.meteoplus.pl/p/161/627/gill-windmaster-wiatromierz-ultradzwiekowy-trojosiowy-anemometr-profesjonalny-ultradzwiekowe-wiatru-czujniki-sensory-sprzet-profesjonalny.html

This one is definitely biaxial, they are also single-axis.

https://sklep.meteoplus.pl/p/161/621/gill-windobserver-65-wiatromierz-ultradzwiekowy-dwuosiowy-ogrzewany-anemometr-przemyslowy-ultradzwiekowe-wiatru-czujniki-sensory-sprzet-professionalalny.html

Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on April 22, 2022, 12:52:07 PM
I would think they are, within limits as there is an aperture on the WS90 so you can't get the full range, like upwards, downwards, but angles of those. I don't have a WS80.
The quick shift due to turbulence/direction change yes I'm sure they can handle.


Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 23, 2022, 11:44:38 AM
new 1.1.9fw can be download here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dBrjOhfrJn7va4eUVSwOxgJsf8qn8UHY/view 
this fw. help to fix wrong gust values
please give it a try and let us know if it works  [tup] [tup]
this is a comparison during a windy day between ws68 and ws90 before and after the new beta fw. 1.1.9
The graph are the difference from reference (in this case the ws68, who always had good reliable data compared to other anemometers)

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from a constant overestimate by (about) 15 km h (up to 32 km h) to a (about) 2 kmh  :lol: ( without any offset )

we've just some random peaks but the improvement is evident...all suggestions are well accepted  [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 23, 2022, 02:25:16 PM
thanks for improving the product algorithm. Question I have is should I upgrade my firmware to 1.1.9 from 1.1.7?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 23, 2022, 02:31:19 PM
Just wanted to follow up, Ecowitt cofirmed this behaviour that with no battereies installed in the Wittboy and running on AC/DC power only, it will always indicate "low battery". Since the unit is operating as designed, its not clear if they are going to issue a "fix" for this, since its not broken.....i guess im OK with this...I mean I could put battereies in it, but don't need to :)

My Wittboy (and other accessories including a supercap modified WH41) is actualy running off my off-grid solar system using a regulated 12VDC, fused  power supply https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=43135.msg439334 (https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=43135.msg439334) and  12V 100 amp h heated Lithium battery, with 500 W solar system. I basically cut the wire at wittboy powerpack the end and connected via fitted terminal connector to the power supply. This is way better then having to have 50 ft wire from my house to my shed in the winters which can last many months.

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According to Ecowitt there is no hardware in the wittboy that can distinguish between AC/DC power or battery power, meaning definitely this would have to be a software or firmware fix.

There has to be something, at least in my thought process, as one would not want the heater activated on just battery power.

That is a good point you raise. Hopefully if enough people bring this to Ecowitt's attention then can resolve it sooner. Its no big deal, except having that low battery indicator warning.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Arkadiusz_w on April 23, 2022, 03:50:34 PM
It may be useful for some to know how Barani MeteoWind calculates, among others, gusts of wind. Today my WS80 measured a maximum of 19.4 km / h, WS80 after software update 18.4 km / h, WS68, 13 km / h, while Barani Meteowind 17.4 km / h.

It is clearly visible that the wind gusts are lower after the WS90 update compared to the WS80 and are more similar to the MeteoWind Barani.

https://www.baranidesign.com/iot-wind-open-message-format

Below are charts of the 4 wind gauges today

Barani I see that he lost one frame at 20:10. Something's not working well for this LoRaWAN
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 23, 2022, 08:25:26 PM
How are the temperatures with the latest firmware update? V 1.0.9 are right on with raw data settings.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hiljolodewijk on April 24, 2022, 04:45:09 AM
I have the first version of the Beta WS90 unit and the GW2000. I noticed today that the cap voltage is reported in the custom upload having a value of 3.3:

Code: [Select]
  'stationtype' => 'GW2000A_V2.1.4',
  'ws90cap_volt' => '3.3',
  'ws90_ver' => '119',

Is this normal? Did Ecowitt used a fixed value maybe so there wont be a low battery message for the cap?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 24, 2022, 11:01:18 AM
For the release version, my supercap voltage fluctuates. It goes up to 5.3V during the day in the sun, and then overnight, it drops slowly to about 4.8V (or something like that), then goes back up to 5.3V when charged again.


I have the first version of the Beta WS90 unit and the GW2000. I noticed today that the cap voltage is reported in the custom upload having a value of 3.3:

Code: [Select]
  'stationtype' => 'GW2000A_V2.1.4',
  'ws90cap_volt' => '3.3',
  'ws90_ver' => '119',

Is this normal? Did Ecowitt used a fixed value maybe so there wont be a low battery message for the cap?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 24, 2022, 11:05:06 AM
Just wanted to follow up, Ecowitt cofirmed this behaviour that with no battereies installed in the Wittboy and running on AC/DC power only, it will always indicate "low battery". Since the unit is operating as designed, its not clear if they are going to issue a "fix" for this, since its not broken.....i guess im OK with this...I mean I could put battereies in it, but don't need to :)

My Wittboy (and other accessories) is actualy running off my off-grid solar system using a regulated 12VDC, fused  power supply https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=43135.msg439334 (https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=43135.msg439334) and  12V 100 amp h heated Lithium battery, with 500 W solar system. I basically cut the wire at wittboy powerpack the end and connected via fitted terminal connector to the power supply. This is way better then having to have 50 ft wire from my house to my shed in the winters which can last many months.

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According to Ecowitt there is no hardware in the wittboy that can distinguish between AC/DC power or battery power, meaning definitely this would have to be a software or firmware fix.

There has to be something, at least in my thought process, as one would not want the heater activated on just battery power.

That is a good point you raise. Hopefully if enough people bring this to Ecowitt's attention then can resolve it sooner. Its no big deal, except having that low battery indicator warning.
Nice work! We'll see next winter at -40C...  :lol:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 24, 2022, 11:07:56 AM
Grazie!

and, I'd be interested to see how much the internal heater affects the temperature reading when its that cold. I suspect the fluctuations will be more pronouced at temperatures below -30oc...but we will find out.

Nice work! We'll see next winter at -40C...  :lol:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 24, 2022, 03:17:00 PM
Strange things happening my end with WSView Plus app. No reception bars or battery status on any of the sensors except piezo rain on GW2000 and every sensor on GW1000....wiered. My GW2000 has way better line of sight than my GW1000 to the WS90.

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 24, 2022, 05:03:56 PM
Also noticing on webui the GW2000 is showing .07 less than from HP2550C. Yes calibration is set to default on both devices. The event rainfall on the HP2550C was reset as I did a firmware update after the earlier event. Any ideas why the difference?

Edit: My confusion...There was a edit to the default settings in GW2000 and not the others. I tried to make the calibration the same values in GW1000 but it said input error even after updating to the latest firmware update. Is it possible to do the calibration on the HP2550C for each rain intensities for the piezo rain?

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 25, 2022, 05:07:05 AM
Also noticing on webui the GW2000 is showing .07 less than from HP2550C. Yes calibration is set to default on both devices. The event rainfall on the HP2550C was reset as I did a firmware update after the earlier event. Any ideas why the difference?

Edit: My confusion...There was a edit to the default settings in GW2000 and not the others. I tried to make the calibration the same values in GW1000 but it said input error even after updating to the latest firmware update. Is it possible to do the calibration on the HP2550C for each rain intensities for the piezo rain?

Thanks,
tweatherman
i think only on gw2000
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 25, 2022, 05:20:16 AM
Also noticing on webui the GW2000 is showing .07 less than from HP2550C. Yes calibration is set to default on both devices. The event rainfall on the HP2550C was reset as I did a firmware update after the earlier event. Any ideas why the difference?

Edit: My confusion...There was a edit to the default settings in GW2000 and not the others. I tried to make the calibration the same values in GW1000 but it said input error even after updating to the latest firmware update. Is it possible to do the calibration on the HP2550C for each rain intensities for the piezo rain?

Thanks,
tweatherman
i think only on gw2000
Doesn't make much sense as the HP2564 station is already on the Ecowitt web site and as much as I know so far there is no functional difference between the HP2550 and HP2560 consoles - they share the same device firmware.
But I've asked the same question to Ecowitt - let's see what they'll say.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 25, 2022, 06:29:08 AM
as per Ecowitt the possibility (feature) to configure the rain gain of the WS90 out of the HP2550/2560 console is under development and should come soon with a new firmware upgrade.
And - so far - all gateway consoles (GW1000/WH2650 FW 1.7.0, GW1100 and GW2000 FW 2.1.4) can do the WS90 rain gauge calibration.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 25, 2022, 07:06:33 AM
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 25, 2022, 09:03:47 AM
Wow! this is best data I've seen to date! Amazing!

I presume this is 1.1.9? I guess now I should update it.

What other settings did you change? any offsets?

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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 25, 2022, 01:37:21 PM
Wow! this is best data I've seen to date! Amazing!

I presume this is 1.1.9? I guess now I should update it.

What other settings did you change? any offsets?

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absolute zero offsets.
This is the firmware that ecowitt provided to us for testing before the official release.
The improvement was significantly, but this is not exclude some fine tuning in future update https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dBrjOhfrJn7va4eUVSwOxgJsf8qn8UHY/view
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 25, 2022, 04:37:26 PM
as per Ecowitt the possibility (feature) to configure the rain gain of the WS90 out of the HP2550/2560 console is under development and should come soon with a new firmware upgrade.
And - so far - all gateway consoles (GW1000/WH2650 FW 1.7.0, GW1100 and GW2000 FW 2.1.4) can do the WS90 rain gauge calibration.
Interesting that my GW1000 gives me a input error upon trying to change the calibration for the piezo rain. Running 1.7.0 firmware on it as well.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on April 25, 2022, 05:49:29 PM
did you select piezo priority on the calibration page (top) ?
do you have the WS90 connected to the GW1000 ?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 25, 2022, 05:52:45 PM

Thank you very much. I just updated to 1.1.9

Wow! this is best data I've seen to date! Amazing!

I presume this is 1.1.9? I guess now I should update it.

What other settings did you change? any offsets?

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absolute zero offsets.
This is the firmware that ecowitt provided to us for testing before the official release.
The improvement was significantly, but this is not exclude some fine tuning in future update https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dBrjOhfrJn7va4eUVSwOxgJsf8qn8UHY/view
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on April 25, 2022, 08:38:49 PM
did you select piezo priority on the calibration page (top) ?
do you have the WS90 connected to the GW1000 ?
Yes to both of them.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Autofill on April 27, 2022, 12:08:55 PM
Yesterday, had my first rainfail and wanted to provide an update on the Wittboy ver 1.1.9 compared to my WS69 7-1 array.

I must say, its a huge improvment over the traditional rain-bucket WS WS69 that I have. I was watching for when the rain first started, and I wanted to know how sensitive it is at the first signof light rain. The WS90 registerd 0.1mm of rain while my bucket registered nothing (the minimum would be 0.2mm for that anyways). BUT it continued to rain lighlty, and the WS90 then registered 0.3 mm while my bucket one still did not register anything.

To give you an idea of the sensitivity, when the WS90 registered 0.1 mm of rain

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I took a picture of a dirty surface, to show the rain when it just started to show what the WS90 consideres 0.1 mm of rain

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So far, impressed with the rain performance of this unit.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: waiukuweather on April 27, 2022, 05:46:14 PM
my kick starter Whittboy has arrived
I am impressed :)
but we have a drought here currently re testing the rain
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on April 28, 2022, 08:19:38 AM
it seems that in China they are in lockdown, again ...  #-o
development is temporarily interrupted
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: gosling1 on April 30, 2022, 08:16:00 PM
Considering going to this setup (WS90) from a conventional "wired" system. Can anyone tell me the "refresh rate" of the WS90 for the sensors sending data to the station please?
Thanks!
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Bashy on April 30, 2022, 11:37:14 PM
Considering going to this setup (WS90) from a conventional "wired" system. Can anyone tell me the "refresh rate" of the WS90 for the sensors sending data to the station please?
Thanks!

On Ecowitt it states 8.8 seconds, that's worse than the WS80 at around 4 seconds, that's a big put off for me but not a deal-breaker depending on the rain side of it.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on May 01, 2022, 02:44:21 AM
the outdoor arrays have different reporting intervals most likely depending on the "slowest" partner in the array.

WS68 (sun, wind) - 16.5 seconds
WN67 (wind, rain, T/H) 16 seconds
WH65/WS69 (sun, wind, rain, T/H) 16 seconds
WS90 (sun, wind, rain, T/H) 8.8 seconds
WS80 (sun, wind, T/H) 4.75 seconds

single outdoor sensors used with the above arrays (e.g. WS68, WS80)
WH40 (rain) 49 seconds
WH32(-EP) (T/H) 64 seconds
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: davidefa on May 01, 2022, 04:27:33 AM
the outdoor arrays have different reporting intervals most likely depending on the "slowest" partner in the array.

WS68 (sun, wind) - 16.5 seconds
WN67 (wind, rain, T/H) 16 seconds
WH65/WS69 (sun, wind, rain, T/H) 16 seconds
WS90 (sun, wind, rain, T/H) 8.8 seconds
WS80 (sun, wind, T/H) 4.75 seconds

single outdoor sensors used with the above arrays (e.g. WS68, WS80)
WH40 (rain) 49 seconds
WH32(-EP) (T/H) 64 seconds

I think this table could be added to the 'must read post' ( for example you could add a column to par.9 table )
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on May 01, 2022, 05:08:41 AM
gust sampling for WS90 is 2second when wind speed is over 3m/s , ws80 up to 1 second over 5m/s
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on May 01, 2022, 05:33:04 AM
yes, it should be clear that the data sampling of the sensors and their transmission intervals are two different things.
What the sensors deliver with a transmission is already a sampling result of the time between transmissions.
Not to be confused.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Arkadiusz_w on May 01, 2022, 12:06:09 PM
Below you can see the results from WS68 / WS80 / WS90 and Barani Wind for the past 7 days from my location.

Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on May 02, 2022, 02:08:56 AM
rain event with 20.2mm-h RR
witt 1.6 (stock gain settings)
vp2 1.2
man. 1

rain expected in next coming days, i'll try new gain setting ...
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on May 02, 2022, 05:48:40 PM
I think this table could be added to the 'must read post' ( for example you could add a column to par.9 table )
done - it became a new, more verbose table  ;)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on May 03, 2022, 04:37:42 AM
rain event with 20.2mm-h RR
witt 1.6 (stock gain settings)
vp2 1.2
man. 1

rain expected in next coming days, i'll try new gain setting ...
yesterday's tot. rain (RR max 28mm-h)

witt 17.4mm (gain at 0.9, 0.85, 0.8, 0.75, 0.7)
vp2 14.0mm
man 15mm

i'll try with lower "gain" setting
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on May 03, 2022, 07:24:58 AM
This is how the radiation shield perform after someone decided to turn off the algorithm of radiation compensation
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And this is a comparison with a vp2 who has one of the worst shield, i can imagine with a professional one like Barani ...  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on May 03, 2022, 01:12:02 PM
rain event today (RR max 13mm-h)

witt 1.0mm (gain 0,7-0,7-0,65-0,6-0,6)
VP2 1.2mm
Man 1mm
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on May 06, 2022, 04:20:58 AM
rain event today (RR max 13mm-h)

witt 1.0mm (gain 0,7-0,7-0,65-0,6-0,6)
VP2 1.2mm
Man 1mm

another event (max 2mm-h)
witt 2.6mm (gain 0,7-0,7-0,65-0,6-0,6)
VP2 1.6
Man 1.5

this rain gauge is impossible to understand...  ](*,)
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: mauro63 on May 07, 2022, 08:36:25 AM
This is how the radiation shield perform after someone decided to turn off the algorithm of radiation compensation
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And this is a comparison with a vp2 who has one of the worst shield, i can imagine with a professional one like Barani ...  :lol: :lol:

The decision to eliminate from the firmware the temperature correction based not on solar radiation but on the calculation of the energy balance was taken after careful considerations and its basis of disappointing results by an algorithm which, due to the complexity of the data to be processed, has not shown to perform the task adequately.

It was therefore decided, and I admit that I am the author, to remove this function, whoever wants an approximate datum keeps the station as it is, and whoever wants an accurate datum will install a wh32 inserted in a quality solar radiation shield, this for the moment.

EDIT
I forgot to add that we are working on alternative solutions that allow us to improve and reduce radiative errors, keeping the data clean and free from software corrections.

M.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on May 07, 2022, 12:26:53 PM
rain event today (RR max 13mm-h)

witt 1.0mm (gain 0,7-0,7-0,65-0,6-0,6)
VP2 1.2mm
Man 1mm

another event (max 2mm-h)
witt 2.6mm (gain 0,7-0,7-0,65-0,6-0,6)
VP2 1.6
Man 1.5

this rain gauge is impossible to understand...  ](*,)
I thought the latest firmware for WS90 took care of rain and wind gust issues? I never heard back on the temperature after the radiation adjustment.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on May 07, 2022, 12:35:14 PM
This is how the radiation shield perform after someone decided to turn off the algorithm of radiation compensation
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And this is a comparison with a vp2 who has one of the worst shield, i can imagine with a professional one like Barani ...  :lol: :lol:

The decision to eliminate from the firmware the temperature correction based not on solar radiation but on the calculation of the energy balance was taken after careful considerations and its basis of disappointing results by an algorithm which, due to the complexity of the data to be processed, has not shown to perform the task adequately.

It was therefore decided, and I admit that I am the author, to remove this function, whoever wants an approximate datum keeps the station as it is, and whoever wants an accurate datum will install a wh32 inserted in a quality solar radiation shield, this for the moment.

EDIT
I forgot to add that we are working on alternative solutions that allow us to improve and reduce radiative errors, keeping the data clean and free from software corrections.

M.
Im very pleased with my raw temperature data running v1.0.9 on WS90. The other data fields like rain and wind gusts are little to be discredited.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Aircub on May 07, 2022, 12:51:27 PM
How can I tell what firmware my Wittboy is on.
I can only find GW2000A_V2.1.4
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: olicat on May 07, 2022, 12:58:52 PM
Hi!

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How can I tell what firmware my Wittboy is on.
The existing firmware version can be checked via EAR (https://ear.phantasoft.de) (provided the GW2000 firmware is v2.1.4). An update is then suggested there if necessary.

Oliver
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: wsNoordbergum on May 07, 2022, 02:02:41 PM
I have version ws90_ver 117
Temperature is pretty much inline with my Davis maybe a bit lower
Wind is slightly higher readings especially gusts but hey no cups on the WS90
Humidity differs 6%
Rain gain is to be determined, not much rain lately
Today 1 mm on Davis and 1.7 on WS90 with no gain set
Rate was 9.6 mm/h I set gain now to 0.7 for the rain rate below 10mm/h
Below 4 mm/h I set it to 0.8
Rain rate on my Davis was 30.6 mm/h maximum
So the rain rate maximum on the WS90 was much lower!
Now wait until next rain event
WS 90 installed on a temporary location, after I'm satisfied with the performance it will be on a permanent location

I also compare data of my Davis with the Ecowitt with my meteobridge Nano SD it is easy to define graphs and display them
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on May 07, 2022, 05:41:07 PM
I have version ws90_ver 117
Temperature is pretty much inline with my Davis maybe a bit lower
Wind is slightly higher readings especially gusts but hey no cups on the WS90
Humidity differs 6%
Rain gain is to be determined, not much rain lately
Today 1 mm on Davis and 1.7 on WS90 with no gain set
Rate was 9.6 mm/h I set gain now to 0.7 for the rain rate below 10mm/h
Below 4 mm/h I set it to 0.8
Rain rate on my Davis was 30.6 mm/h maximum
So the rain rate maximum on the WS90 was much lower!
Now wait until next rain event
WS 90 installed on a temporary location, after I'm satisfied with the performance it will be on a permanent location

I also compare data of my Davis with the Ecowitt with my meteobridge Nano SD it is easy to define graphs and display them

Humidity lower than the Davis?

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: lantana on May 08, 2022, 08:33:51 AM
>>> witt 1.0mm (gain 0,7-0,7-0,65-0,6-0,6)

I can understand a gain like 1.0 or 0.7, but what does 7-0 or 65-0 mean?

Thanks.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on May 08, 2022, 08:51:08 AM
>>> witt 1.0mm (gain 0,7-0,7-0,65-0,6-0,6)

I can understand a gain like 1.0 or 0.7, but what does 7-0 or 65-0 mean?

Thanks.
you have to understand that the poster lives in Europe where (beyond Malta, UK, and Ireland) the decimal point is comma  :idea:
what he meant to say is (out of the 5 different gain settings):
gain 1: 0.7
gain  2: 0.7
gain 3: 0.65
gain 4: 0.6
gain 5: 0.6
or short 0.7 - 0.7 - 0.65 - 0.6 - 0.6 (replacing the comma by a point  8-))
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: wsNoordbergum on May 08, 2022, 01:26:39 PM
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Humidity lower than the Davis?

Yes , but changed it now back to 0 because the difference has decreased
My Davis is now at 65% and Ecowitt 70 with the calibration of +6%
See if it is accurate now
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on May 10, 2022, 11:58:35 AM
by the way - the power supply cable of the WS90 can be put inside the pole (provided you use a hollow one).
E.g. in order to protect against solar radiation.
Don't forget the cap nut (on the picture it is still inside the pole)  8-)
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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: waiukuweather on May 10, 2022, 03:10:59 PM
does that snow melt heater increase the outdoor temperature reading in the station itself when in use?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on May 10, 2022, 03:20:36 PM
couldn't test it yet with the WS90 - the WS80 creates some ups and downs - there is a thread about this https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40977.50
- and with the WS90 the power supply is for the whole outdoor sensor, not only for the heater. For the WS80 it is heater for the ultrasonic element only
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on May 12, 2022, 10:21:34 AM
last event RR Max 79mm-h

man 7.5mm
witt  7.4mm
vp2  7.8mm

all gain set to 0.55
please, try this settings and let us know if it work (valid for kickstarter units only)  [tup]
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: wsNoordbergum on May 12, 2022, 11:31:17 AM
Yesterday some rain, 4mm on the Davis
Had the gain set to 0.6 (all) and rainrate was approximately 4mm/h
Ended up with 3.2 on the ecowitt
Now set gains to 0.68 see what this does
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on May 12, 2022, 11:41:35 AM
Yesterday some rain, 4mm on the Davis
Had the gain set to 0.6 (all) and rainrate was approximately 4mm/h
Ended up with 3.2 on the ecowitt
Now set gains to 0.68 see what this does
the station are side by side ? Do you have a manual rain gauge as reference ?
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: wsNoordbergum on May 12, 2022, 11:52:39 AM
Approximately 1m apart I do not have a manual rain gauge
Davis rain gauge is version with single spoon
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on May 12, 2022, 02:41:03 PM
without a manual as reference is impossible to understand which one is correct or not
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on May 12, 2022, 11:58:57 PM
last event RR Max 79mm-h

man 7.5mm
witt  7.4mm
vp2  7.8mm

all gain set to 0.55
please, try this settings and let us know if it work (valid for kickstarter units only)  [tup]
What firmware version on WS90 with the offsets?

Thanks,
tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: wsNoordbergum on May 13, 2022, 12:39:29 AM
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without a manual as reference is impossible to understand which one is correct or not

Manual rain gauge is coming soon to be sure
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: giusCB on May 13, 2022, 01:26:52 AM
V1. 1.9
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: wsNoordbergum on May 19, 2022, 02:04:02 PM
Is it possible to calibrate the WS 90 rainfall on a 2551 console?
I can't seem to find it....
It skips the rainfall calibration in the calibration menu
Updated the firmware of the console to 1.8 in order to get the WS90 available on the console
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Rover1822 on May 19, 2022, 04:01:59 PM
As opposed to the console, and I not going  to do all the research. Have you tried from WS View plus (+)  to see if you can under "rain totals"
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Gyvate on May 19, 2022, 04:06:19 PM
Is it possible to calibrate the WS 90 rainfall on a 2551 console?
I can't seem to find it....
It skips the rainfall calibration in the calibration menu
Updated the firmware of the console to 1.8 in order to get the WS90 available on the console
this possibility is announced by Ecowitt to be implemented in the next device firmware update (> 1.8.0).
@Rover1822 - the WS90 calibration can so far only be done via WSView Plus for the GW1000/WH2650/GW1100 and GW2000 consoles - NOT for the HP2551 console !
Here you can only configure the WiFi-Firmware (Weather Networks + custom server) via WS View Plus.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: wsNoordbergum on May 20, 2022, 06:21:21 AM
As opposed to the console, and I not going  to do all the research. Have you tried from WS View plus (+)  to see if you can under "rain totals"

I have done so, I use the gateway for uploads with the calibration settings
I want the displayed rainfall to be the same as the GW2000
So that's why
Nice to hear it will be implemented on the next firmware update
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: Arkadiusz_w on May 22, 2022, 06:00:50 AM
Yesterday's strong wind in the view of WS 90 / WS80, WS 68 and Barani Wind. After the last WS80 update, the wind gusts reported on wundeground and ecowitt are different from each other. Previously, the maximum gust on any given day was the same with the WS80.

Max gust yestarday

Barani Wind, 41,4 km/h
WS68, 42,2 km/h.
WS80, 48,3 km/h
WS90, 48,2 km/h

Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hifi_hound on May 22, 2022, 09:25:58 PM
Is anyone having issues with false random rain readings on the WS90?  I have (2) Wittboys setup with one showing .01 in. or more rain rate readings on some days with no rain.  When this happens a few times during the day or night, it will also show rain accumulation.  The times don't match up with possible dew points either, so I'm not sure what's causing it.  The unit that is showing the rain is mounted on a pole approximately 12 ft above my roof, about 30 ft above ground overall.  The other unit is about 6 ft above ground level.  I was thinking it could be vibrations from the wind etc., but it's happening when the wind is low and not corrolating to times with high wind.  I also have the bird spikes mounted, so I don't believe birds are the problem either. Is anyone else seeing this?

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Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: tweatherman on May 22, 2022, 09:29:30 PM
Is anyone having issues with false random rain readings on the WS90?  I have (2) Wittboys setup with one showing .01 in. or more rain rate readings on some days with no rain.  When this happens a few times during the day or night, it will also show rain accumulation.  The times don't match up with possible dew points either, so I'm not sure what's causing it.  The unit that is showing the rain is mounted on a pole approximately 12 ft above my roof, about 30 ft above ground overall.  The other unit is about 6 ft above ground level.  I was thinking it could be vibrations from the wind etc., but it's happening when the wind is low and not corrolating to times with high wind.  I also have the bird spikes mounted, so I don't believe birds are the problem either. Is anyone else seeing this?

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I have the same issue when the humidity gets high. Still running v1.0.9 firmware on WS90.

tweatherman
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: hifi_hound on May 22, 2022, 11:37:40 PM
What do you consider high humidity? I looked at the spikes in the graph I posted above and they coincided with 70% and 74% humidity.  My WS90 is on 1.17.
Title: Re: WittBoy = GW2001 (station) = WS90 + GW2000 on Kickstarter & Beta test
Post by: wsNoordbergum on May 23, 2022, 01:57:51 AM
Had 2 times a 0.1mm reading with no apparent rain
Both times in the morning between 7 and 8 am
I think it has to do with dew
Maybe drops from the birdspikes are rolling down
Anyone without birdspikes having these false readings?
Also with my Davis sometimes a reading because of dew drops

I'm running version 117

Edit:
This morning, despite the bird spikes, a small bird (blue tit) was sitting on top of my WS90!
In search for insects, birds maybe the cause of my false readings.....