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Weather Related Organizations => WeatherUnderground => Topic started by: Breezy on December 06, 2016, 11:20:09 AM
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Have the Wunderground NOAA radio streams been taken down? #-o
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My Stream is still working using HTML5 on my site .. it seems that the old page at https://www.wunderground.com/wxradio/index.html is having a problem showing the list of stations. Likely a temporary glitch...
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Mine is also still streaming. As Ken indicated the WU page listing is "down".
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Looks like the feeds are not working, stopped working this morning. Unable to access the site.
Bob
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Audiostream is down, can't even connect, just another thing to add to the list of ailments for wunderground.com.
Nick. dw7240.com.
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Audiostream is down, can't even connect, just another thing to add to the list of ailments for wunderground.com.
Nick. dw7240.com.
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Your WU Sticker also shows "No Data"
As I said in the other thread... to save ourselves time it should be the other way around, we should post here every time WU works
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Day #2, then radio streaming is still down, everything else seems to be working, especially the webcams which didn't seem to be effected at all.
Nick. dw7240.com.
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Sent them an email, let us see if we hear from them. But since I want to follow Jachym's suggestion not to say anything unless things are working, I have nothing to say right now.
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I sent a note to John Celenza about the audiostream server being down.
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Hi,
Thanks to Bob and Ken for getting onto this, I'm surprised that WU didn't send out emails to us users about the issues, or at least post a note onto our station page at WU stating the issues with certain parts of the their site, at least then we would know ok things are in hand, just a waiting game, but not to say nothing, well that's not good customer service or being very professional business wise. If WU are thinking of charging all of us to use their services in the future, guess what - when that comes to being we will all be gone else where - after all - look after the customer and they will follow you to the ends of the earth !
Nick. dw7240.com.
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The only time WU sent me an email about something was about my weather station being down. More often than not, I had already noticed the situation and took care of it. But I don't mean to complain.
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Last time I received one of those letter about station being down and what did I do to corrected it . I asked them to send me cash to provide an generator for me to send them data during an power outage. Disappointed that I got no cash or an reply. DANG
John
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Think twice before wanting WU to send you emails everytime something is not working on their end :D
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Should be posted........"We're sorry.....WeatherUnderground is experiencing an unusual amount of uptime......."
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I must have missed it when it got posted maybe months ago. So what is another way to run you local NOAA station on your web site.
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I use Wimpy Player http://www.wimpyplayer.com/ (http://www.wimpyplayer.com/) for radio on my site here http://www.sunprairieweather.com/wxradio.php (http://www.sunprairieweather.com/wxradio.php). It is "served" on my local computer so there is bandwith limitations if you have many people streaming from your computer. I haven't had any problems since I set it up. Got tired of the WU Problems.
Andy
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I use BroadWave (http://www.nch.com.au/streaming/support.html (http://www.nch.com.au/streaming/support.html)). Similar conditions as Andy stated. I have been very happy with it.
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I stream with Broadwave to simple html5 Audio button in the header. (Also have a Wimpy player on site, inactive since it's the older flash version) I quit bothering with streaming to WOO ooo a long time ago.. HTML audio is about as simple as it can get:
<div class="fwxnoaarad">
<!-- <audio id="noaaRAD">
<source src='http://xx.xxx.xxx.xxx:88/broadwave.mp3' type='audio/mpeg' />
</audio>
<a id="audioControl" href="#" title="NOAA All Hazards Radio. Frankfort KY 162.5 MHz. IF STREAM STOPS, please refresh the page."><img src="listenB.png" id="playfwx" alt="Listen"/><img src="stopB.png" id="pausefwx" alt="Stop"/></a>
-->
<!--HTML5 AUDIO IS ENCRYPTED BELOW FOR W3C VALIDATION - IGNORES THE HTML5 AUDIO TAGS (invalid for XHTML 1) -->
Now, the above needs controls of some type... mine are below... and it won't "validate" in doctype used on my templates, so it's commented out, and encrypted as similar to simply so page will validate
<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
document.write(unescape("%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Caudio%20id%3D%22noaaRAD%22%3E%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Csource%20src%3D%27http%3A//xx.xxx.xxx.xxx%3A88/broadwave.mp3%27%20type%3D%27audio/mpeg%27%20/%3E%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3C/audio%3E%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Ca%20id%3D%22audioControl%22%20href%3D%22%23%22%20title%3D%22NOAA%20All%20Hazards%20Radio.%20Frankfort%20KY%20162.5%20MHz.%20IF%20STREAM%20STOPS%2C%20please%20refresh%20the%20page.%22%3E%3Cimg%20src%3D%22listenB.png%22%20id%3D%22playfwx%22%20alt%3D%22Listen%22/%3E%3Cimg%20src%3D%22stopB.png%22%20id%3D%22pausefwx%22%20alt%3D%22Stop%22/%3E%3C/a%3E"));
//-->
</script>
Then there's this script that simply switches the 'play / stop" modes... default is 'stop'... visitor can control volume locally:
<script type="text/javascript">
var wxRadioFW = document.getElementById('noaaRAD'),
ctrl = document.getElementById('audioControl'),
playButton = document.getElementById('playfwx'),
pauseButton = document.getElementById('pausefwx');
function toggleButton() {
if (playButton.style.display === 'none') {
playButton.style.display = 'block';
pauseButton.style.display = 'none';
} else {
playButton.style.display = 'none';
pauseButton.style.display = 'block';
}
}
ctrl.onclick = function () {
if (wxRadioFW.paused) {
wxRadioFW.play();
} else {
wxRadioFW.pause();
}
toggleButton();
// Prevent Default Action
return false;
};
</script> Click my banner below, and look in the header...
Mike
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Well more than 24 hours and not even a computer generated "your inquiry is important to us..." So for Jachym I still have nothing to say. I too was going to ask if anyone had implemented a different path, thanks for the suggestions they are most helpful. May over the next few days see if I can set up alternatives for WU on the site and cut the cord so to speak.
Bob
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Well no sign that the feeds are coming back up so I took the suggestions and am self feeding my site. Thanks Mike, Otis and Andy for your suggestions, went the broadwave route, things seem to be working http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php (http://cliftonvaweather.com/wx-radio.php) and http://cliftonvaweather.com/cell-radio.php (http://cliftonvaweather.com/cell-radio.php). Have discontinued my NOAA feed to WU.
Bob
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Bob, glad you got your NOAA feed working. Cutty (Mike) was instrumental in me getting mine going - he is a great help.
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I bit the bullet and put my stream up using BroadWave Plus V2.00 today. The radio page uses the <audio> control for the .mp3 stream. Since I have that page as HTML5, no additional mods were needed.
I'm leaving edcast up and trying to stream to audioplayer.wunderground.com, but the server is still non-responsive. I also filed a support ticket with them, and haven't heard from John Celenza yet.
Sad to see parts of the original service 'flake off' without a reasonable response. Think I'll try a Twitter post to see if that gets more action.
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And I would say that if even you did not get a reply, things are really bad at WU end, because I know that several times when I tried contacting them (back when I was still so naive thinking things might get better), they never got back to me only after you stepped in
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Well if Ken doesn't succeed, it might be good to put together a web page linking to "independent" noaa feeds similar to the one that isn't working on the WU site, it was a good service. My page similar to Ken was html5 as well so it only required a change in pointing to the broadwave feed from the edcast one on WU. Should they bring it back up I may bring the edcast feed to them back up, but I have a feeling that their priorities are very much elsewhere.
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I've tried several times to generate interest in a NOAA Radio page... standby.
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And I would say that if even you did not get a reply, things are really bad at WU end, because I know that several times when I tried contacting them (back when I was still so naive thinking things might get better), they never got back to me only after you stepped in
That is a damn shame. They should respond no matter who you are. That's bad service.
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I've tried several times to generate interest in a NOAA Radio page... standby.
I'm interested.
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And I would say that if even you did not get a reply, things are really bad at WU end, because I know that several times when I tried contacting them (back when I was still so naive thinking things might get better), they never got back to me only after you stepped in
That is a damn shame. They should respond no matter who you are. That's bad service.
Last year I noticed a fundamental error in the Czech translation. The problem was with the translation of the phrase "rapid fire" - the word "fire" in Czech means only fire - nothing else. And the problem was that stations that use the Rapid fire feature have this written below their name on maps etc. And the person translating it probably had no idea what "rapid fire" really means so the translation in Czech meant literally "rapidly spreading forest fire"...
And now imagine you did not now English and did not know WU, and you saw many stations showing "rapidly spreading forest fire"....
I emailed them several times, used FB, Twitter... not only did they not correct it, they did not even reply to me, not a single time. I also offered help with other translations, which werent as bad, but also incorrect or inaccurate. Nothing...
Then I posted about this here and Ken stepped in and the next day "rapid fire" in Czech was no longer "rapidly spreading forest fire"....
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I've always tried to keep things like this as much as possible "in house".
Way back before "Wonder(if it works)ground" thought about NOAA streaming, I ran a scanner set to the local NOAA frequency, plugged into a Windows computer running WinAmp with the Shoutcast DNAS plugin, streaming to my Linux server running a Shoutcast server.
When I do similar things now, about the only thing that has changed is that I use the free version of RadioFeed from proscan.org instead of WinAmp. During fire season I usually stream one or more scanners, not so much for the general public, but for a few friends and me. The technology is sufficiently advanced now that things I dreamed about not to long ago are now commonplace, like streaming to my cell phone.
Shoucast is cool in that, once you figure out how to run one server, you just copy and paste that folder, make a couple of edits to the config file and run it and it's up.
If you have a Linux server, you might be able to do the same.
[nostalgia mode] Back in the 90s the hot setup was forwarding my email to my (gasp) alphanumeric PAGER so I could see what emails were coming in.
How far we've come...[/nostalgia mode]
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Don't these other options all require the server running from your home computer? Reason I ask is I'm on phone line DSL internet and the IP changes. So if a hole through the firewall and router/DSLmodem is required I still will have to reconfigure my webpage link whenever my internet connection IP address changes correct? Or am I trying to make this too complicated? ;)
(I currently use ScannerCast (http://www.k1pgv.com/SCConfig.html) as the feed to WU which as I have read does have server ability built into it though I have never used it that way.)
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Don't these other options all require the server running from your home computer? Reason I ask is I'm on phone line DSL internet and the IP changes. So if a hole through the firewall and router/DSLmodem is required I still will have to reconfigure my webpage link whenever my internet connection IP address changes correct? Or am I trying to make this too complicated? ;)
(I currently use ScannerCast (http://www.k1pgv.com/SCConfig.html) as the feed to WU which as I have read does have server ability built into it though I have never used it that way.)
Yes, the local provided stream is generated on your home weather system, and you need a port 88 TCP 'hole' punched through your firewall so that folks can connect. I use a DynDns registration to map to my current home IP address and use that DNS entry in my script.
I've set the stream to 32Kb (max) and since I have 6MBps upload on my Comcast cable, I'm not too worried about extra bandwidth just yet. On DSL, you may have much less upload BW available, so it would be good to limit the streams should you choose to provide them locally. Having a free (single) DynDns registration would allow you to keep the webpage the same despite changes in your IP address (assuming you run the DynDns client on your system).
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... On DSL, you may have much less upload BW available, so it would be good to limit the streams should you choose to provide them locally. Having a free (single) DynDns registration would allow you to keep the webpage the same despite changes in your IP address (assuming you run the DynDns client on your system).
That would be my next issue is bandwidth. My upload is pretty weak. I cannot imagine anywhere near as many consecutive connections compared to being on WU but the county EMA has a link in their app to me on WU and notified me once when my stream went down. If they were to update their app with a direct link to me then I'm probably going to have a problem. :-k
Below is my typical speed test results. I do have Spectrum high speed cable and also U-Verse available through ATT. Wondering if it would be worth the trouble to do until I get on a hotter connection at some point in the future. Edit: Also still just using the Acer Aspire One netbook for weather duty so not a lot of hp. left there for server work either. :-k
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/6026449975.png)
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Hey, Mark! I was just over on mytractorforum cruising the weather board. :)
There are three parts to this lashup.
Th radio connects to the mic or line in of a computer that is running a program to encode the audio and send it to a computer or server running a broadcast server software.
In the simple case, the broadcast program can be on the same computer as the encoder. But generally they are separate and the broadcast program is on a web server out on the Internet.
So the encoder sends one stream to the server, where it is multiplied into as many outgoing stream as desired. The number of outgoing streams and all that is set in a config file on the server.
The serving software buffers the incoming audio and then sends it out when some other user computer connects to it. At low bit rates, the buffer delay from coming out of the radio to coming out of the listener speakers can be as much as a couple of minutes.
My RadioFeed source is set to 48 kbps which is well with the limits of a DSL line. As far as dynamic IP addresses, you can always use a dynamic DNS service if necessary.
And, if you wanna get tricky and you have 2 radios, you can set up a stereo source and stream one on each channel. Double the pleasure, double the fun...
On the one hand, I'm lucky to have my own physical server in a local colo facility to play with for things like this, so I dunno if a hosted shared server would work. If you have shell access it should work.
OTOH, the machine I built cost quite a bit, and the monthly rack/bandwidth is far from the free or low cost hosting most are looking for.
OTOOH (On The Other Other Hand), I'm also my own tech support, which is both a blessing and a curse. :)
Chris
Don't these other options all require the server running from your home computer? Reason I ask is I'm on phone line DSL internet and the IP changes. So if a hole through the firewall and router/DSLmodem is required I still will have to reconfigure my webpage link whenever my internet connection IP address changes correct? Or am I trying to make this too complicated? ;)
(I currently use ScannerCast (http://www.k1pgv.com/SCConfig.html) as the feed to WU which as I have read does have server ability built into it though I have never used it that way.)
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Using Broadwave, I use 24 min-56max stereo mp3 ...that's enough, and BW only used when accessed, otherwise Idle .. if need to, put a time-out on we page player.. I do that on my video streams, so it breaks connection if someone 'camps out'. Using y combiner mono out of radio to stereo in so streams as L+R ... nothing more irritating to me than just one channel out of one speaker...
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...On the one hand, I'm lucky to have my own physical server in a local colo facility to play with for things like this, so I dunno if a hosted shared server would work. If you have shell access it should work.
OTOH, the machine I built cost quite a bit, and the monthly rack/bandwidth is far from the free or low cost hosting most are looking for.
OTOOH (On The Other Other Hand), I'm also my own tech support, which is both a blessing and a curse. :)
Chris....
I'm currently on ICDsoft business plan. Looks like I would have to step up to the $300/ month first class plan for that kind of server access and usage. I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon.. :mrgreen: So it looks like if I do it, it's going to have to be a home bound setup. ;) I was not aware of the DynDNS service until Ken mentioned it. That does solve one main issue I was worried about.
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I'm still hoping WU will come through on this. Rapid Fire Flash, which was down for a while, is now working again. Hopefully, that is a sign for more good things to come.
Before WU NOAA streaming went down, I'd commonly have 1 to 3 listeners. But it would go up to around 50 during weather warnings. Broadwave charges a rather hefty fee for unlimited listeners.
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Rapid Fire Flash
Are you suggesting they still use Flash on some parts of their website?!
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I have NOAA radio back on my website again. :grin:
Turns out that ScannerCast that I've used for several years to upload to WU has also been serving it out on my LAN and I did not even know it. #-o I found if I used Firefox and punched in the local IP of my weather computer and port 8000 (xxx.xxx.x.xx:8000) I had radio playing on all my other connected devices. So I forwarded the port on my DSL modem/router which was easy enough but could not get the radio to play. Verified port 8000 was open and forwarded but still no go. Turns out I found a post on the net where someone made the comment about some routers having a "loopback" protection to keep one computer on the LAN from trying to look at another computer on the LAN via an external route. So I turned off wifi on my iPhone and went to using straight LTE data and viola! I heard my radio! 8-) So I updated my webpage with a Dyndns host and so far seems to work. I'm still undecided how many connections I should limit to ScannerCast. I have it set to 20 right now. Guess I'll see how many consecutive connections it shows over the next week and see if things come to a crawl. :mrgreen:
Meanwhile ScannerCast is set to still try to make connection with WU. At least this way my personal website is operational again with a working live radio link. WU will have to worry about their app with the dead link on it.
http://kig86noaaradio.dyndns-ip.com:8000/
On a side note I'm not sure if all browsers will play it like Firefox and Edge or if I'll need to figure out some sort of a "player" for visitors. So far IE wanted to download it rather then playing.
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Plays OK on OSX and Chrome and Safari.
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Thinking about setting up Raspberry pi to stream NOAA Radio for my site. Curious if anyone else set a pi up to stream audio from an external source like a weather radio?
Thanks,
Doug
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My workaround for the Weather Underground situation is to run my own Icecast2 server, and simply change the URL and password that my computer streams to. So instead of http://audioplayer.wunderground.com:8000/KE7NWL/Spokane.mp3.m3u it's now http://wxradio.grimtech.net:8000/KE7NWL/Spokane.mp3.m3u. I'm going to let it run for awhile and see how much bandwidth it uses, but if I have the resources, I may open my Icecast2 server up to other weather radio streamers. I'm interested in Cutty Sark Sailor's NOAA radio page too.
Thinking about setting up Raspberry pi to stream NOAA Radio for my site. Curious if anyone else set a pi up to stream audio from an external source like a weather radio?
Yes Doug, I run a similar setup on a low-power linux computer. I wrote a blog article, and also made a video about it. http://grimtech.net/noaa-wxl86-radio-stream/
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Thank you so much for the reply with all the info. I've got a new pi, USB audio dongle and new radio (with a headphone jack. Old one didn't have one.) ordered. They should all be here later this week. So I'll be having fun this weekend if my head doesn't get too sore http://www.wxforum.net/Smileys/default/eusa_wall.gif
Thanks again,
Doug
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Reply I received from William:
Hello,
We're currently unable to provide the weather radio feed due to an unknown technical problem. We're investigating and will restore if possible. However, with the ever-decreasing listenership, it might no longer be viable.
But I will push for its return.
Thank you,
William
Wunderground Support
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Thinking about setting up Raspberry pi to stream NOAA Radio for my site. Curious if anyone else set a pi up to stream audio from an external source like a weather radio?
Thanks,
Doug
I to am (was?) using a Raspberry Pi to stream the weather radio, I use darkice and it works quite well.
Tim
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Reply I received from William:
Hello,
We're currently unable to provide the weather radio feed due to an unknown technical problem. We're investigating and will restore if possible. However, with the ever-decreasing listenership, it might no longer be viable.
But I will push for its return.
Thank you,
William
Wunderground Support
Hmm, I read that as depending on how many or few complaints we receive we might never bother to fix it. :? I guess we'll know the answer the next time they update their phone app if the option to listen to NOAA radio is still present or not. :sad:
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I got the same reply from WU as well, in fact it was word for word, probably cut and paste.
We're currently unable to provide the weather radio feed due to an unknown technical problem. We're investigating and will restore if possible. However, with the ever-decreasing listenership, it might no longer be viable.
But I will push for its return.
Looks like setting up an alternative is the way to go.
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Just got the same *exact* message :)
Maybe William works Tues-Sat :)
The wunderground WIKI setup instructions say to use audiostream.wunderground.com, and that's what my edcast is using as the target.
Both audiostream.wunderground.com and audioplayer.wunderground.com (used for listening to streams) have no DNS entries at this time. Sigh.
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Here's a quick and very dirty test, with stream URLs I could grab quickly from those of you who've posted on this thread...
http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/
May take a few moments to connect to your streams...
Mike
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Oh I like this Mike, good work as always. So what's next? :grin:
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Looks good Mike, I think the test appears to be successful =D>. Tried all of the selections and got pretty much an immediate response. Also a good start on getting stations. :-) Only thing could you add a va between clifton and weather on the website name ;)
Thanks
Bob
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:-) Only thing could you add a va between clifton and weather on the website name ;)
Thanks
Bob
:oops: My Bad... fixed. You have the honor of being the first error reported (if this develops). \:D/
For that, you receive a Gold Star:
(http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/goldstar.png)
... So what's next? :grin:
Let's decide... I always felt that it'd be good to have some page up with the feeds that sites could link to, and a couple of us to sorta, kinda, monitor with a bit of quality control... etc. and there's cleaning up to do on the scripts... lot of extra stuff in it that I'm not using.
This isn't the script I wanted to use, but I couldn't get my #1 choice to reliably respond to various stream (great for files, lousy for stream)... right now I'm trying to figure out how to code each website as a link, with current scripting, up in the title bar, so I need some help with javascripting... I think that should be fairly simple, but don't know enough.
Anybody else want on board, email me site link, and your streaming link to your local encoder.
I've played with several 'streaming' applications, and overall Broadwave seems to be more consistent and better quality. Some are pretty lousy and over complicated.
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Mike I'm gonna try to get mine up this weekend maybe.
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Mike I'm gonna try to get mine up this weekend maybe.
heh.. yeah, I looked all over your site for a player.... ya had a good'n goin' when you were in Kansas...
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Looks good Mike. Sorry I cant help with the coding but thanks for the effort.
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Thanks Mike
For that, you receive a Gold Star:
I can place it on my mantel next to the one from WU :lol:. Have put a link to the page on my noaa radio pages, similar to what used to be there for the WU stream page. Hope sites jump on board, we need a name for the net.
Bob
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Started a separate discussion for this under Weather Web Resources
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=31396.0
Mike
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I see they finally put a note the radio page is broken.
Sent via iPhone
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I see they finally put a note the radio page is broken.
Sent via iPhone
Good for them... meanwhile our prototype test ain't broken. And another PWS owner and a scripter weather-lover have informed me they're working on a couple of features to add... stay tuned... http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/ (http://ourspecial.net/NOAANET2/) this will truly be a community project when it's done! Great!
See thread http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=31396.0
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Not sure how much they're really working on it... audiostream.wunderground.com and audioplayer.wunderground.com don't resolve through DNS anymore. I'm pretty sure it's dead. Of course, they might just have done that to keep people from trying to connect while they're working on the server(s).
As to how I stream... I set up a $5/mo VPS with a low cost (but pretty good quality) hosting provider and installed Icecast on it. I set up a firewall on it so only SSH and Icecast can get in (just because Linux has a tendency to have other ports open, even if there's nothing listening on them)... oh, and since it's the only thing on it, Icecast is running on port 80 so corporate firewalls aren't an issue too. It's even dual-stack, for those of you with IPv6.
I'm trying to get control of the TuneIn listing for my NWR stream, so the over 8,000 people that have saved it as a favorite still have something to listen to. Not sure how successful I'll be in that endeavor though.
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I notice that on their weather radio page it now says this at the top of their page...
"We know this feature is broken... and we're working on it. Hang tight!"
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Well don't hold your breath, I just got the following email from "William":
We have an official announcement on the 1st, but I can confirm that we're ending the radio feature.
Thank you,
William
Wunderground Support
So folks if you supplied the feeds to WU, please check out the page the Mike (Cutty) is working on.
Bob
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In Case you've missed it:
With the demise of Wunderground Radio Streams...
NOAA Weather Radio.Org (http://noaaweatherradio.org)
A project of the PWS community and many gracious friends
49 live streams as of 03/02/2017
http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html (http://noaaweatherradio.org/howto.html)
(http://noaaweatherradio.org/NOAANET3/noaa0228.jpg)
Mike
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Very nice, Cutty! Looks great, works great (thank you for not using Flash plugin!) and I got a kick out of the song!
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Here's that official announcement:
http://help.wunderground.com/knowledgebase/articles/1143553-wu-feature-and-product-updates