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Title: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jasiu on August 12, 2016, 08:26:48 PM
Just noticed today that the look / feel of Wundermap changed and the URL parameters that I'd previously use to select particular layers / features do not work anymore.  :-(

Anyone see any documentation or release on this?  I'll look around.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: ArmySlowRdr on August 12, 2016, 08:28:19 PM
No but occasionally and today is one of them, the wundermap goes completely missing on my site and an error pops up that says it is illegal for security reasons for the wundermap to be displayed in an iframe.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on August 12, 2016, 08:32:22 PM
Be careful about that, I was asked to make a plugin for my template using the wundermap.

Before I do such things I always check the Terms and Conditions and as soon as I did that I didnt have to continue...

People often assume that iframing (which works in most cases and provides a very easy solution of scraping data) is ok, but you should be careful about that as it is not. If you read the WU license it says very clearly that you are not allowed to redistribute it even for non-commercial purposes.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on August 12, 2016, 08:35:48 PM
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Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: wa3pnt on August 12, 2016, 10:22:37 PM
My map view is also all messed up.

I'll wait a day or two and see if WU sorts things out and restores the previous views.

RodeoGeorge
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: westhillman on August 13, 2016, 04:14:24 AM
Yes, looks like a developer has been told to make as big a mess of Wundermap that he can, and this is the result.  A similar thing happened recently with the Met Office WOW site.  Seems that there is a constant need to 'update'  web pages/ apps but the job is often given to someone who has no idea what the site is actually being used for. 
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on August 13, 2016, 08:39:08 AM
Yes, though keep in mind guys what I said above. Iframing is very dangerous and you have to check if it is something you can do - not just technically... and in case of WU you cannot.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jasiu on August 13, 2016, 09:22:01 AM
By clicking on the "share" button, it reveals a URL (pick "full link") that appears to show the available parameters.

The URL is of the form:

https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=(lat)&lon=(lon)&wxstn=0&radar=0&sat=0&cam=0&severe=0&fronts=0&lightning=0&sst=0&sstanom=0&fire=0&rep=0&surge=0&tor=0&hur=0&models=0

Each of the parameters with a zero can be set to one to turn on a layer. These match what is on the right side panel for choices.

There seems to be no way to make that right side panel disappear to make the map larger. Grrrr.


Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: catdon on August 13, 2016, 09:33:49 AM
Hope this is just a work in progress...no way to save settings, no models?
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: SpringHillWeather on August 13, 2016, 11:02:28 AM
Yes it looks like they re-vamped the whole Wundermap and took away features?  :shock:

Maybe its a work in progress but REALLY?  There are some obvious bugs like can't zoom the map with mouse wheel anymore.  Clicking on a Webcam from the map, you cant close the window with the X button.   I'm mean really, don't they test this stuff before they release it.   It is kinda of disappointing cause it seems like they are heading in the wrong direction.   

Also, there used to be a place where users left feedback for suggestions but I can't find it anymore on WU.   There were many good suggestions however I never saw anyone say, Hey we want 5 Gold stars for QA.   LOL



Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on August 13, 2016, 11:13:51 AM
Exactly Tom, of course they could be just testing something, but does WU really not have enough money to get a test server?!

Either they are testing on a production site, which is extremely bad habit, or they released a totally untested, buggy product, which is also unacceptable...
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on August 13, 2016, 11:16:11 AM
Hang on.... I maybe know why....

Didnt they use Google Maps before? Im almost 100% sure they did, look now, it is OpenStreetMap.... and that has much less features and possibilities. Now it makes sense. They migrated from Google Maps to OSM, because Google introduced that API limit, which obviously would not be enough for them and they probably do not want to pay Google for higher quota... thats why I also said that in my template I want to keep using Google, because it is by far the best and for our purposes, 10000 views/day is of course absolutely sufficient.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: SpringHillWeather on August 13, 2016, 11:19:58 AM
Hang on.... I maybe know why....

Didnt they use Google Maps before? Im almost 100% sure they did, look now, it is OpenStreetMap.... and that has much less features and possibilities. Now it makes sense. They migrated from Google Maps to OSM, because Google introduced that API limit, which obviously would not be enough for them and they probably do not want to pay Google for higher quota... thats why I also said that in my template I want to keep using Google, because it is by far the best and for our purposes, 10000 views/day is of course absolutely sufficient.

Oh so its an Ibm vs Google War  #-o
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on August 13, 2016, 11:22:46 AM
Confirmed..... I just checked archived Wundermap and indeed they used (the best) maps API from Google.

Now obviously they have a problem and they do not want to pay so they migrated to OSM, which is not as good in terms of what you can do with it, I know it myself because I was looking at it after google introduced the API key (but as I said, for our purposes it is absolutely ok).

It is pages like this that made Google do this, because they surely had millions of hits every day and putting a huge load on Google Maps servers.

And I must say I am really curious what is going to happen in about 1.5 months time... because I know so many big websites that use Google Maps and just out of curiousity I always check the console, where I find "Google Maps API key missing" - so it will work until 8th October and then.... lets see what the others do.

Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on August 13, 2016, 11:32:00 AM
But it is a bit absurd....

I just checked the pricing, so I was incorrect, the daily free quota is in fact not 10k, but 25k.... and additional 1000 queries costs 50 cents.... So eg. 100k would cost them 37 dollars a day... I wonder how much profit WU makes every day and if it was worth stripping down the Wundermap like this
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: catdon on August 13, 2016, 11:43:06 AM
Yes it looks like they re-vamped the whole Wundermap and took away features?  :shock:

Maybe its a work in progress but REALLY?  There are some obvious bugs like can't zoom the map with mouse wheel anymore.  Clicking on a Webcam from the map, you cant close the window with the X button.   I'm mean really, don't they test this stuff before they release it.   It is kinda of disappointing cause it seems like they are heading in the wrong direction.   

Also, there used to be a place where users left feedback for suggestions but I can't find it anymore on WU.   There were many good suggestions however I never saw anyone say, Hey we want 5 Gold stars for QA.   LOL
Yeah the feedback section was removed awhile ago...any comments now have to be sent to support. I asked them about removing the feedback section and their reply was that it was causing confusion with people posting support questions or whatever. It was just a way to stifle dissent with all the negative comments coming their way imo.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on August 13, 2016, 11:47:08 AM
I would not necessarily blame them from not wanting to accept negative feedback, it is probably rather just another way to cut costs... I mean dealing with feedback and support means you have to get some staff to do it...
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: SpringHillWeather on August 13, 2016, 01:05:45 PM
Yes it looks like they re-vamped the whole Wundermap and took away features?  :shock:

Maybe its a work in progress but REALLY?  There are some obvious bugs like can't zoom the map with mouse wheel anymore.  Clicking on a Webcam from the map, you cant close the window with the X button.   I'm mean really, don't they test this stuff before they release it.   It is kinda of disappointing cause it seems like they are heading in the wrong direction.   

Also, there used to be a place where users left feedback for suggestions but I can't find it anymore on WU.   There were many good suggestions however I never saw anyone say, Hey we want 5 Gold stars for QA.   LOL
Yeah the feedback section was removed awhile ago...any comments now have to be sent to support. I asked them about removing the feedback section and their reply was that it was causing confusion with people posting support questions or whatever. It was just a way to stifle dissent with all the negative comments coming their way imo.

Hello fellow Staten Islander :D

I think it more of it was a community and now its a business....

Such is progress  :lol:
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: KC9Q on August 13, 2016, 01:26:24 PM
I noticed that when I bring up the page to show the town I'm in there is a list of Nearby Stations at the bottom of the page.  About 50% of those stations (mine included) are not displayed on the WU Map at this time.  I also notice that when you select a station on the WU map, the detailed display only shows the old styled temperature/dew point graphic.  Is that something only in my area?

Mike
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: catdon on August 14, 2016, 09:36:01 AM
They have no interaction with their customers anymore...no explanations of anything such as changes, problems etc. By removing the feedback section it reduced it further. Masters and others are always blogging there but never addressing anything about the website. All these little problems keep popping up and nothing gets fixed.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on August 14, 2016, 09:45:55 AM
Well I think it is actually quite obvious....

1. no more feedback - possibility to reduce staff/time
2. OpenStreetMaps instead of much better Google Maps API - no need to pay anything (despite the fact the price is absurd)...

obviously they are trying to cut down costs as much as possible.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: DoctorKnow on August 14, 2016, 01:17:53 PM
My station and all others do not update "LIVE" anymore on the Wundermap. If this is not fixed, there is no need to be pumping data to them every few seconds. This really sucks.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: wa3pnt on August 14, 2016, 03:11:41 PM
Is anyone looking at an alternative to WU?

If so, what are you thinking of going to?

RodeoGeorge
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: robereno on August 14, 2016, 03:18:11 PM
Advertising heavy Intellecast: http://www.intellicast.com/ (http://www.intellicast.com/)

But I've just started looking.

Is anyone looking at an alternative to WU?

If so, what are you thinking of going to?

RodeoGeorge
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: saratogaWX on August 14, 2016, 03:25:21 PM
Ahh.. IBM owns The Weather Company, LLC, which in turn owns The Weather Channel (weather.com), Wunderground (wunderground.com) AND Intellecast (intellicast.com).  The T&Cs for all three sites are pretty much the same -- no reuse, no redistribution of data or images on our sites.

However, Wunderground has allowed us fair use for data/images while we contribute weather data to their network.  Not so with weather.com, intellicast.com or accuweather.com.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: chief-david on August 14, 2016, 03:35:00 PM
1. When in wundermap-it says I am signed in-but I am not.
2. the map they are using goes back at least two years. Maybe three. The development where the new house is shows  the old school has not been bulldozed. My old house still has a swingset. It has been at least two years since we got rid of that.
3. Can't zoom in as far
4. I have not been able to look up anything by address. Used to be able to.
5. Can't put a place marker on my exact location

6. As my dad always said-and I repeat many times, "Why in the hell can't you just leave well enough alone!"
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on August 14, 2016, 04:23:56 PM
David read my posts above and you will understand why the map behaves differently and why they changed it
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: chief-david on August 14, 2016, 04:39:56 PM
David read my posts above and you will understand why the map behaves differently and why they changed it

Yup.  Still looks like crap. And is inferior to what it was before.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on August 14, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
Yes you are absolutely right and that is why when I was asked not to use Google Maps API any more since they now require a key (which is free, but you must have a Google account), I said I will not since there is no decent alternative.
In case of WU the problem is different since the daily quota is not enough so they would have to pay now.
They had to make a decision - pay or use a different, as you said inferior, solution, but free.
They made the decision...
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: chief-david on August 14, 2016, 04:57:14 PM
I just looked at my farm. That map has to go back to at least 2012. I can tell becuase of the position of the farm equiptment. We sold everything in 2013.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: NYJason on August 14, 2016, 05:40:58 PM
WU might not have a feedback section anymore, but they are on Twitter.  Twitter is a great way to publicly let Weather Underground know what you think about their "changes" .
Twitter handle @wunderground

Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: DoctorKnow on August 14, 2016, 06:54:12 PM
The radar is a joke now. You can't do half of what you could do before. Not even storm tracks.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on August 14, 2016, 07:04:02 PM
Google     1 : 0      Open Street Map

Though I must say that to large extent it is also poorly programmed, for example the zooming feature using mousewheel is supported by OSM as well, just that they probably didn't include it in the code. Most of the stuff probably could be replicated and brought to similar state as it was when using Google, however, one thing that cannot be overcome is how up-to-date the maps are and again, no matter how much you like or dislike Google, one has to admit they have no competitor as far as map coverage goes.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Johnmac on August 14, 2016, 08:21:58 PM
Ahh.. IBM owns The Weather Company, LLC, which in turn owns The Weather Channel (weather.com), Wunderground (wunderground.com) AND Intellecast (intellicast.com).  The T&Cs for all three sites are pretty much the same -- no reuse, no redistribution of data or images on our sites.

However, Wunderground has allowed us fair use for data/images while we contribute weather data to their network.  Not so with weather.com, intellicast.com or accuweather.com.


I may be wrong, but I thought the weather channel was owned by NBC and Comcast owns NBC.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: SpringHillWeather on August 14, 2016, 08:44:13 PM
The radar is a joke now. You can't do half of what you could do before. Not even storm tracks.

The new WU Storm App has does have layers with Storm Tracks and fronts.  I don't see models but many features are available on the Mobile App.
You can actually Zoom in much more than the Wundermap and was able to see all three of my station at my location.  You can no longer do that with WUndermap.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: SpringHillWeather on August 14, 2016, 08:49:28 PM
Ahh.. IBM owns The Weather Company, LLC, which in turn owns The Weather Channel (weather.com), Wunderground (wunderground.com) AND Intellecast (intellicast.com).  The T&Cs for all three sites are pretty much the same -- no reuse, no redistribution of data or images on our sites.

However, Wunderground has allowed us fair use for data/images while we contribute weather data to their network.  Not so with weather.com, intellicast.com or accuweather.com.


I may be wrong, but I thought the weather channel was owned by NBC and Comcast owns NBC.

See this article.   IBM bought the digital and data rights from the Weather Company. 
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/10/29/ibm_buys_the_weather_channel_company_and_has_big_plans.html

The future of weather got a lot more interesting this week.

On Wednesday, IBM announced its purchase of the Weather Company’s digital and data assets, a deal that the Wall Street Journal valued at more than $2 billion. The company’s flagship TV network wasn’t included as part of the deal and will remain the property of a consortium of hedge funds that includes Bain Capital.
The Weather Company has sat on the auction block for a while now, and its digital assets were considered the crown jewel, including Weather Underground, weather.com (that bastion of glorious clickbait), and WSI, the company’s data-driven business-to-business arm that fits especially nicely with IBM’s cloud-based “Insight” initiative. So, yes, this deal gives new meaning to the phrase “cloud computing.” (I couldn’t resist.)
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: DaveNay on August 15, 2016, 11:45:54 AM
On the plus side.....at least the animated radar is no longer slow and takes three minutes to load.

Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: robereno on August 15, 2016, 02:15:22 PM
Well lets face it. How many people actually used Wundermaps. Other than myself and a few hobbyists on this site, I don't know of anyone that actually made use of it. Not much of a response even on these forums considering the fact that it has been gutted to uselessness.  For myself I liked it a lot and found it helpful when tracking the isolated thunderstorms that come through my valley. I'd be willing to look into a subscription service if anyone has some suggestions.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: spinjector on August 15, 2016, 04:47:04 PM
Add me to the list of acute headsplosion victims over the Wundermap changes. Wth did they do?? I feel like I've gone deaf, blind, and stupid without it. Can't even save my own settings anymore, despite being a site member & logged in.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: DoctorKnow on August 15, 2016, 09:05:03 PM
On facebook, I see they have been getting HAMMERED. No response from WU about anything when I looked earlier today.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: DoctorKnow on August 15, 2016, 09:20:32 PM
Just got this popup on the Wundermap...

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Something's Different...
You might have noticed some missing features as we work to make major infrastructure improvements on the WunderMap. We'll be hustling to make additional improvements and re-introduce products that are still in construction. We appreciate your patience during this time.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: spinjector on August 15, 2016, 10:05:35 PM
Just saw this on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/wunderground/posts/10153763042886198...
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From Wunderground Support:
Hello,
We had to change the base map for Wunderground and some of the layers aren’t loading properly. Functionality will be restored in stages as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience!
We'll bring back storm tracks soon. In the meantime, they're still visible on the Nexrad radar. Search for a location on the main wunderground.com search and there is a Nexrad link on the top-right of the map.
Thank you,
William
Wunderground Support

Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: robereno on August 15, 2016, 10:40:00 PM
Good  to know. Now I  can  get back to complaining about it again.   :grin:
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on August 16, 2016, 04:35:45 AM
I'm really fed up with WU. Did they not beta test these changes before releasing them? Clearly not. No reply to my email yesterday complaining about WunderMap centred on London and not my part of the world.

They'd be nothing without the tens of thousands of us who supply them with weather data and yet they treat us with contempt. No replies to my last 2 queries.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on August 16, 2016, 05:10:40 AM
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We had to change the base map

no they did not, they would have to, however, pay 30 dollars for additional 100k visits...
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: bchwdlks on August 16, 2016, 10:05:19 AM
Is anyone looking at an alternative to WU?

If so, what are you thinking of going to?

RodeoGeorge

Our family had WU open on a tablet or computer all the time. Lots of complaints about the "new & improved" version. We have switched to http://www.intellicast.com/Local/WxMap.aspx (http://www.intellicast.com/Local/WxMap.aspx).

It has some of the same functionality and with an Adblocker  the really annoying ads are mostly not an issue. You can save your location and return with the same settings in effect. BUT it will not show any personal weather stations.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: ggsteve on August 16, 2016, 04:14:24 PM
I can live with the limitations (what do you want for free), but the most annoying manifestation I've seen is that every time my screen goes into powersaving mode the Wundermap window freezes and I have to refresh it, and reselect radar and reselect 50% opacity, etc., etc......
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: SpringHillWeather on August 16, 2016, 07:59:59 PM
Here is the latest.... work in progress  #-o

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Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on August 16, 2016, 08:30:05 PM
Google maps would work until October, why they didn't fully develop this before publicly releasing it remains a mystery to me
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: bchwdlks on August 17, 2016, 08:24:49 AM
Google maps would work until October, why they didn't fully develop this before publicly releasing it remains a mystery to me

Because of $$$$. Why pay wages to a quality assurance staff when you can dump beta testing onto your customer base? The options for the users to go elsewhere are very limited and most of the alternatives are owned by the same company anyway!!!     :sad:
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: SpringHillWeather on August 19, 2016, 12:59:40 PM
Here is the notice I received today going to Wundermap.

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Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: nwstorm on August 19, 2016, 04:48:58 PM
The fronts layer isn't working for me and I can't seem to close that side menu either. 
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: wa3pnt on August 19, 2016, 05:29:07 PM
My biggest complaint is that I cannot save any setting changes, and have to apply them every time I open the site.

RodeoGeorge
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: robereno on August 20, 2016, 11:16:07 PM
My biggest complaint is that I cannot save any setting changes, and have to apply them every time I open the site.

RodeoGeorge
Yeah, me too but a great improvement over last week. I actually  found  it useful today.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on August 26, 2016, 06:41:38 AM
The fronts layer isn't working for me and I can't seem to close that side menu either. 
Me neither and when you're viewing on a 15" laptop it occupies a large part of the screen. Still no joy with centering the map on last position before exiting page. Bizarrely it centres on London when I live 140 miles NW.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: catdon on August 30, 2016, 04:10:29 AM
There have just been a slew of problems on WU over the last year or so...these problems crop up (wundermap for example)...we  complain, they say "we're  working on it"...ultimately nothing changes...we forget and or accept it, then it's on to the next problem, or as they call it "new feature". BTW remember when they changed to the small open street map on the station dashboards and we complained about that ("we're working to improve this feature")...well it looks the same to me and it's been quite awhile. Oh well.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on August 30, 2016, 04:57:32 AM
Two weeks on and nothing on WU has changed. Map still centres on London and that bloody huge menu on the right covers a third of my screen.

Is anyone actually working on a fix for this?
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: ArmySlowRdr on August 30, 2016, 08:23:50 AM
Actually if they put storm track back on I will be happy enough.  Actually, the map will center and zoom to where ever you choose and go to that spot every time you open it.  All you have to do is center it where you want, then drop down on the share box and copy that link provided as a favorite or embed in your website or whatever.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: DoctorKnow on August 30, 2016, 08:14:46 PM
I am going to stop sending my data soon if they don't put back on the live icons on the Wundermap, and not this hard refresh every few minutes.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: wa3pnt on September 05, 2016, 03:29:49 PM
Well, we've gone one step further DOWN the ladder.
My Webams (2) have now disappeared from my station page, AND they have also disappeared from my profile.
And to add to that, the "Add a Webcam" page is not working.  LOL

RodeoGeorge
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: SpringHillWeather on September 06, 2016, 07:09:48 PM
The way its looking ain't good.  The following note below is almost a year old and based on what we are seeing I think they given up on WU.  It seems with all the outages lately they are migrating to new systems and consolidating which could be why certain functions aren't working anymore.   It may just be we're working on it but I think its headed in the wrong direction and based on my gut it won't get better.   I think they feel as long as you can view your PWS that's good enough.  All the other forecasts, maps I believe may become a charge item/subscription.  They bought this for Analytics and to bring custom solutions to businesses which A'int us....  my 2 cents  :roll:

Start looking or as many have already done, for alternatives.



By: Jeff Masters , 3:45 PM on October 28, 2015

IBM announced today that it has entered into a definitive agreement to acquire The Weather Company’s B2B, mobile and cloud-based web properties, including WSI, weather.com, Weather Underground and The Weather Company brand. The TV segment – The Weather Channel – will not be acquired by IBM, but will license weather forecast data and analytics from IBM under a long-term contract.

There are no changes that have been announced for how Weather Underground will operate, and Bob Henson and I plan to ride the rapids to see where they lead. IBM brings some pretty remarkable technology resources to the table, so I expect that WU's creative development team will be able to take advantage of that and crank out some ground-breaking weather software.

For more information on the acquisition, see the IBM/Weather Company press release. The deal will likely become finalized in January.

Jeff Masters
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on September 06, 2016, 07:38:57 PM
WU used to be absolutely unique. Is it today? No, the only thing in which it is still unique is IMHO the number of users, but that is something you can easily lose and something that others can easily gain.

Conclusion? If WU for whatever reasons is no longer an option, or a good option, would that be such a loss? I dont think so, there are other weather networks today, which I think have even more features, or at least keep on adding new ones and getting better and WU is going in the opposite direction.

I can only think of two outcomes of this:
1. as more and more users abandon it they finally wake up and realize they cannot just think that having a lot of users, but ignoring what they say, ignoring support and just making one's life as easy as possible, means users will find alternatives over time and they start to head in a different, better direction again, adding new features, making sure things work, taking support seriously
2. or they dont, they continue in what they are doing time, in which case it is only a matter of time before wunderground.com will show Page not Found...
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: PaulMy on September 06, 2016, 09:23:38 PM
The reality is that there are likely a lot more new users who have an Acurite, Bloomsky, Ambient, Netatmo, etc. and most of these just want to upload to WU so they can say and see their local weather online, and they are satisfied with the services they get for free.  How often do we see a new poster here asking for guidance and saying all they want to do is upload to Weather Underground!

WU will do what suits their business needs.  However, I think Weather Underground also wants to satisfy their user base as much as feasible, and profitable overall.  Changes happen in this world, whether we want them or not!

I am not aware of any other alternative that provides the services, and identity to users, as WU does for PWS owners.

Paul
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: CW2274 on September 06, 2016, 10:01:06 PM
The reality is that there are likely a lot more new users who have an Acurite, Bloomsky, Ambient, Netatmo, etc. and most of these just want to upload to WU so they can say and see their local weather online, and they are satisfied with the services they get for free.  How often do we see a new poster here asking for guidance and saying all they want to do is upload to Weather Underground!

WU will do what suits there business needs.  However, I think Weather Underground also wants to satisfy their user base as much as feasible, and profitable overall.  Changes happen in this world, whether we want them or not!

I am not aware of any other alternative that provides the services, and identity to users, as WU does for PWS owners.

Paul
Nail on the head. 95% just want their data online, good, bad, indifferent. The more the "gee whiz" factor with new owners, the more junk WU will be because most don't care about the "product", so why should WU.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on September 07, 2016, 05:02:33 AM
Eg:
https://weathercloud.net/

less ads, clean design, nice graphs, maps, stats etc. and most importantly - regularly being updated and developed and becoming better and better
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: hankster on September 07, 2016, 08:07:48 AM
Eg:
https://weathercloud.net/

less ads, clean design, nice graphs, maps, stats etc. and most importantly - regularly being updated and developed and becoming better and better

Didn't dive into it a lot but seen this negitive.

What is the upload frequency?
The upload frequency is 10 minutes.

Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: PaulMy on September 07, 2016, 11:53:52 AM
I upload to WeatherCloud and it is nice, but still a far cry from what is on WU PWS...

Paul
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on September 11, 2016, 05:08:54 AM
The WU 'mess' has now been going on for me for over a month now. It doesn't take a month to work on simple big fixes. I suspect we're now stuck with this new WU service. The WU map still opens centred on London and not my location 120 miles NW near Manchester.

Poor service from WU. Very poor service. Email query has never been answered by William who appears to be the single WU help point.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on September 11, 2016, 08:05:55 AM
The centering of the map relies on geolocating your IP. In this case I must try to defend WU because the scripts are programmed correctly, my location for example works fine. The problem is probably in your particular IP which is not correctly located or located not accurate enough. But that depends on the IP database of the geolocating service they use.

What you can try to do is go here:
https://www.iplocation.net/

And see what it shows you.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: ggsteve on September 11, 2016, 10:04:33 AM
On my school computer here in the quaint hamlet of Fitchburg, MA my Wundermap centers on Miami, FL.  That's only about 1500 miles off.  Here at home my Wundermap focuses just about dead center on my house.  Of course I still have to hit refresh, then select radar and change the opacity each time it freezes up.

Another important feature I didn't realize was missing until trying to track a thunderstorm this morning, the National Weather Service alert "boxes" are gone.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on September 11, 2016, 10:07:12 AM
That could be explained if your school uses some centralized IP, for example, in my office I also see my location as Prague, because our headquarters are there and my IP is externally looking as if I was viewing the internet from Prague.

Try the link I posted above and see where it positions you when you try from your school computer.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jasiu on September 11, 2016, 10:07:52 AM
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Another important feature I didn't realize was missing until trying to track a thunderstorm this morning, the National Weather Service alert "boxes" are gone.

That's working for me (I'm in Lexington following the same line of storms). Did you check the Severe box?
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: ggsteve on September 11, 2016, 10:10:51 AM
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Another important feature I didn't realize was missing until trying to track a thunderstorm this morning, the National Weather Service alert "boxes" are gone.

That's working for me (I'm in Lexington following the same line of storms). Did you check the Severe box?

!!!USER ERROR!!!  You wouldn't know I used to do Internet tech support.

By the way, what a dud that front was here.  A lousy .03" of rain, one 16 mph gust and not a rumble of thunder.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on September 12, 2016, 11:30:08 AM
The centering of the map relies on geolocating your IP. In this case I must try to defend WU because the scripts are programmed correctly, my location for example works fine. The problem is probably in your particular IP which is not correctly located or located not accurate enough. But that depends on the IP database of the geolocating service they use.

What you can try to do is go here:
https://www.iplocation.net/

And see what it shows you.

Thanks for your help. That link shows 5 entries. Two are usable, 2 are in London and aren't and a fifth is 50 miles away and also not usable.

How do I tell WU which one to use? I went into Member Settings - Page Preferences - and in the Time Zone box I entered Manchester (UK) and saved my selection. I see 'Preferences Saved' so assume all is well.

I click on Maps & Radar - Wundermap and it's centred on London again! Arrgghh!!!

Going back to my profile settings Manchester (UK) has been replaced by Europe/London.

What the hell is going on???

Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on September 12, 2016, 11:41:00 AM
Time Zone is probably not the issue. I went into Member Settings - Home & Favourites and at the bottom typed my town - Cheadle Hulme. That was identified and I saved it.

But going to Wundermap still centres on London. Grrgghh!
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on September 12, 2016, 11:42:58 AM
Because the WU map script most likely does not look at your profile settings at all. Similar scripts usually use browser geo-location feature, which is based on your IP. I do that too sometimes, so basically you center the map based on user´s IP and that geolocation based on IP is what causes the problems in your case. Sometimes this happens when your IP for example corresponds to the location of your internet provider, which could be your case.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on September 12, 2016, 11:56:07 AM
Because the WU map script most likely does not look at your profile settings at all. Similar scripts usually use browser geo-location feature, which is based on your IP. I do that too sometimes, so basically you center the map based on user´s IP and that geolocation based on IP is what causes the problems in your case. Sometimes this happens when your IP for example corresponds to the location of your internet provider, which could be your case.

Thanks. In that case as I can't dictate where my location is will an email to WUnderground help? Assuming it ever gets read.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on September 12, 2016, 12:07:27 PM
Well I dont really think so because if that script uses IP geolocation then the only way it would be correct is if your IP was different.

I can think of two possible problems:
- either your IP is based on your internet provider location or for some reason you have London IP
- or the database of the whatever service they use that matches the IP to locations, has a mistake in it and locates you to London

Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on September 12, 2016, 12:40:21 PM
Thanks. I'll ask my ISP (BT) if they can help with my public IP address.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: piconut on September 12, 2016, 12:43:02 PM
The centering of the map relies on geolocating your IP. In this case I must try to defend WU because the scripts are programmed correctly, my location for example works fine. The problem is probably in your particular IP which is not correctly located or located not accurate enough. But that depends on the IP database of the geolocating service they use.

What you can try to do is go here:
https://www.iplocation.net/ (https://www.iplocation.net/)

And see what it shows you.

Thanks for your help. That link shows 5 entries. Two are usable, 2 are in London and aren't and a fifth is 50 miles away and also not usable.

How do I tell WU which one to use? I went into Member Settings - Page Preferences - and in the Time Zone box I entered Manchester (UK) and saved my selection. I see 'Preferences Saved' so assume all is well.

I click on Maps & Radar - Wundermap and it's centred on London again! Arrgghh!!!

Going back to my profile settings Manchester (UK) has been replaced by Europe/London.

What the hell is going on???


Hi Ray, does this work for you?  I just input the latitude and longitude of Manchester UK into the URL.  Try it and let me know!


https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=53.48&lon=-2.24&wxstn=0&zoom=9&radar=1&fronts=1 (https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=53.48&lon=-2.24&wxstn=0&zoom=9&radar=1&fronts=1)


Scott Robuck
Austin, Texas
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on September 12, 2016, 12:56:59 PM
Hi Scott,

Yes it does! Thank you.  =D> But I used to have a shortcut with the lat/lon in and it stopped working when this new software was released.

No matter. I can tweak the one you've supplied for my precise location. Thanks once again. I have written to WU support asking them to use a different location for my IP address so I'll see if that comes to anything.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on September 12, 2016, 12:59:17 PM
That should work, the script is probably done so that it uses lat/lon as long as they are provided, if not, it tries to auto-locate you using the IP and if that fails as well (you can reject the permission to geolocate you) then they have one default location for everyone. This is how it is normally done and I use this too, basically you have 3 possibilities in the following precedence:
1. try using lat/lon if provided in URL
2. if not, try to geolocate the person using IP
3. if location is still N/A use some default co-ordinates hard-coded in the code
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on September 12, 2016, 01:24:38 PM
Thanks for all your help Jachym. Clever bloke!  =D>
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Ray Proudfoot on September 12, 2016, 02:43:11 PM
Just heard back from William at WU. They have no control over which if those 5 IP databases they use but he also suggested incorporating lat/lon into the URL. Must be the fastest reply ever for me!
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: catdon on September 17, 2016, 10:49:51 AM
Have not seen any improvements lately on wundermap...hope they bring back the model info...mainly the euro data such as precip amounts and temps, don't believe that info is available for free anywhere else? Another problem I recently noticed is there is no data available for any stations prior to Sept 7th...again one thing after another.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: piconut on September 17, 2016, 11:11:56 AM
Another problem I recently noticed is there is no data available for any stations prior to Sept 7th...again one thing after another.


That sucks.  I was the 8th station in Austin (KTXAUSTI8 (https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KTXAUSTI8#history)) to start uploading data (now over 800 stations) and my data went back 15 years!  Damn shame. 
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: catdon on September 17, 2016, 11:15:14 AM
Another problem I recently noticed is there is no data available for any stations prior to Sept 7th...again one thing after another.


That sucks.  I was the 8th station in Austin (KTXAUSTI8 (https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KTXAUSTI8#history)) to start uploading data (now over 800 stations) and my data went back 15 years!  Damn shame.
I would think(hopefully) that its just a temporary problem.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: Jáchym on September 17, 2016, 11:33:35 AM
We just discussed this here yesterday:
http://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=30339.msg299821#msg299821

Its been like this for several days already.
Title: Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: catdon on September 28, 2016, 07:01:49 PM
I'll probably get a quicker answer here than asking support so...has anyone inquired about whether they intend to add back the model data, specifically the euro data. This was the only place that I'm aware of to get data such as temps and precip for free.
Title: Magically it is back....Re: Wundermap changes?
Post by: ArmySlowRdr on March 14, 2017, 04:42:38 PM
As of over the past weekend the wundermap has started displaying inside my site again......after months of telling me error---after which I changed to remove the code (I thought) and just put a link directing viewers to right click and view in a new tab.  So now the link AND the map appears. WU strangeness keeps on delivering.lol.


No but occasionally and today is one of them, the wundermap goes completely missing on my site and an error pops up that says it is illegal for security reasons for the wundermap to be displayed in an iframe.