Topic: WH-5300 and gw 1000

[Gyvate]

@mgma
To be fair, the MetSpec Rad-01 or RAD-02 are offered (the very few offers which one can find in the internet) for about 190 EUR !!
The manufacturer (located in the UK, www.metspec.net) seems to be very secretive about the pricing - no information on their web page
(or so well hidden that I didn't find it).
The WH32 would fit into the MetSpec Rad-02. And I don't doubt the quality of the product ...

However, it will also fit into a Davis 7714, just tilted - not vertical, but this won't have an effect on the readings, but for 1/2 to 1/3 the price.

So unless you are an accuracy enthusiast like Mauro where +/- 0.05 °C are important, or don't mind the money, you'd do good with a Davis 7714 (for 70-110 EUR).

If you are an accuracy enthusiast and don't mind spending the money, you better get your self a WH32-EP sensor,
and then having the choice between MetSpec Rad-01 and Barani MeteoShield Pro, I'd go for the Meteoshield Pro and spend 10-15 EUR more.

just to clarify,
I don't care about 0.05 or 0.1 / 0.2 because they are less than my measurement uncertainty

the rad 02 costs less than those figures, if the user is interested write to me privately and put him in contact with the company with which I have a collaboration relationship

i would not buy the meteoshield pro for a normal wh32, its size is too big and it touches the internal helicoids, it fits by force

m.

@Mauro
1. If you read my earlier post, you can see that I recommend the Meteoshield only for a sensor with external probe (WH32-EP).
2. It would be nice for our community to know (at least the order of magnitude, +/- 10-20 EUR), what price to be expected for a MetSpec Rad-02 when going through you.
190 EUR was an official quote.

[mgma]

any idea about this one

 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000971623787.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.1ef74c4d082dSR

I can't find  Metspec Rad02 in any store but this product look similar

[mauro63]

@mgma
To be fair, the MetSpec Rad-01 or RAD-02 are offered (the very few offers which one can find in the internet) for about 190 EUR !!
The manufacturer (located in the UK, www.metspec.net) seems to be very secretive about the pricing - no information on their web page
(or so well hidden that I didn't find it).
The WH32 would fit into the MetSpec Rad-02. And I don't doubt the quality of the product ...

However, it will also fit into a Davis 7714, just tilted - not vertical, but this won't have an effect on the readings, but for 1/2 to 1/3 the price.

So unless you are an accuracy enthusiast like Mauro where +/- 0.05 °C are important, or don't mind the money, you'd do good with a Davis 7714 (for 70-110 EUR).

If you are an accuracy enthusiast and don't mind spending the money, you better get your self a WH32-EP sensor,
and then having the choice between MetSpec Rad-01 and Barani MeteoShield Pro, I'd go for the Meteoshield Pro and spend 10-15 EUR more.

just to clarify,
I don't care about 0.05 or 0.1 / 0.2 because they are less than my measurement uncertainty

the rad 02 costs less than those figures, if the user is interested write to me privately and put him in contact with the company with which I have a collaboration relationship

i would not buy the meteoshield pro for a normal wh32, its size is too big and it touches the internal helicoids, it fits by force

m.

@Mauro
1. If you read my earlier post, you can see that I recommend the Meteoshield only for a sensor with external probe (WH32-EP).
2. It would be nice for our community to know (at least the order of magnitude, +/- 10-20 EUR), what price to be expected for a MetSpec Rad-02 when going through you.
190 EUR was an official quote.

Sorry, you're right, my fault but I'm at job and I'm making pizza;)

About the prices of original Metspec I will do in next hours

Thanks
M.

[Gyvate]

any idea about this one

 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000971623787.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.1ef74c4d082dSR

I can't find  Metspec Rad02 in any store but this product look similar

Looks nice but this doesn't mean much. The material used, color coating, airflow etc. play a significant role.
I'm not aware of any test of the item - and "ABS" it's only available via aliexpress or alibaba - so we know no specifications.
Made in China is not necessarily all bad - see Fine Offset/Ecowitt -, but in the absence of test results/specifications it's likely to  become a disappointment.
For a normal WH32 you would need to get the 10 floor model of type B - i.e. 55 EUR + customs (~20%), so 66 EUR.

Someone from our community would need to take the risk, buy it and test it.

[Gyvate]

@Mauro:
looking forward to seeing the quote. 
When buying via you, will there be a freshly made pizza included ? 
Free choice of toppings ...

[mauro63]

@Mauro:
looking forward to seeing the quote. 
When buying via you, will there be a freshly made pizza included ? 
Free choice of toppings ...

ha ha !!
of course !!
only a clarify, I do not sell Metspec or other products, but I have some partnership with sone companies due to my cooperation with Inrim metrological institute and as beta tester
usually, for some communities, I obtain good conditions

m.

[mgma]

any idea about this one

 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000971623787.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.1ef74c4d082dSR

I can't find  Metspec Rad02 in any store but this product look similar

Looks nice but this doesn't mean much. The material used, color coating, airflow etc. play a significant role.
I'm not aware of any test of the item - and "ABS" it's only available via aliexpress or alibaba - so we know no specifications.
Made in China is not necessarily all bad - see Fine Offset/Ecowitt -, but in the absence of test results/specifications it's likely to  become a disappointment.
For a normal WH32 you would need to get the 10 floor model of type B - i.e. 55 EUR + customs (~20%), so 66 EUR.

Someone from our community would need to take the risk, buy it and test it.

i already bought it but type A with 10 floor ,type A have slot size (62)mm (6,2 cm) ,and wh32 sensor size about 4 cm ,type A will be enough i think ,,when i receiving it i will test it to this site

[Gyvate]

you will need a good reference system - like a WH32-EP with a Meteoshield Pro or a Davis 7714 or a MetSpec Rad-02.
Only then you can tell the shield performance.
But a comparison to your WH5300 T/H outdoor reading might already give some indication - of course the shields will need to be close to each other and have the same exposure.
Looking forward to see some results after some time.
I will see what Mauro has to offer - I might get me a Rad-02 for my WH31-EP if the price is (in my opinion, for my purse) reasonable - and then run it against my Meteoshield Pro.

[zoomx]

@mgma
To be fair, the MetSpec Rad-01 or RAD-02 are offered (the very few offers which one can find in the internet) for about 190 EUR !!
The manufacturer (located in the UK, www.metspec.net) seems to be very secretive about the pricing - no information on their web page
(or so well hidden that I didn't find it).

It is common among real professional and expensive devices, you have to ask a quote. Also in Germany. With some exceptions, Vaisala is one of these.

[Gyvate]

@mgma
To be fair, the MetSpec Rad-01 or RAD-02 are offered (the very few offers which one can find in the internet) for about 190 EUR !!
The manufacturer (located in the UK, www.metspec.net) seems to be very secretive about the pricing - no information on their web page
(or so well hidden that I didn't find it).

It is common among real professional and expensive devices, you have to ask a quote. Also in Germany. With some exceptions, Vaisala is one of these.

So then Barani Design Technologies is not professional ? As they show prices ... Or are they one of the (how many) exceptions ?
Or are the no-showers the exception ?

You know, common practice in Germany is showing a UVP (non-binding sales price recommendation) which may be negotiable with the seller if the producer is the only seller ... in order to give potential customers an idea of an order of magnitude of the price.
In India this is called M.R.P. (maximum retail price),MSRP (manufacturer's suggested retail price) in the US, there is also a prezzo indicativo in Italy  - never mind - we'll see what Mauro will come up with (and if it's not considered to be politically correct, he can send me a PM  )

[mauro63]

@mgma
To be fair, the MetSpec Rad-01 or RAD-02 are offered (the very few offers which one can find in the internet) for about 190 EUR !!
The manufacturer (located in the UK, www.metspec.net) seems to be very secretive about the pricing - no information on their web page
(or so well hidden that I didn't find it).

It is common among real professional and expensive devices, you have to ask a quote. Also in Germany. With some exceptions, Vaisala is one of these.

So then Barani Design Technologies is not professional ? As they show prices ... Or are they one of the (how many) exceptions ?
Or are the no-showers the exception ?

You know, common practice in Germany is showing a UVP (non-binding sales price recommendation) which may be negotiable with the seller if the producer is the only seller ... in order to give potential customers an idea of an order of magnitude of the price.
In India this is called M.R.P. (maximum retail price),MSRP (manufacturer's suggested retail price) in the US, there is also a prezzo indicativo in Italy  - never mind - we'll see what Mauro will come up with (and if it's not considered to be politically correct, he can send me a PM  )

Hi Gyvate,

I reply only to the last part of your message
I will not send PM, I'm trying to obtain a final price for all registered wxforum's users as I did in the past for other communities.
I don't know if I will succeed but, if yes, I will publish the reserved price and the procedure to make orders
My focus is on Rad02 for those who need a lot of internal space, Rad14 for low dimension probes and better performances

Mauro

[Gyvate]

@Mauro
I've read the specification sheet of the Rad01 and Rad02
(they are only in the download area, the product page only shows Rad06-14  )

There is says:
Probe compatibility
RAD 01:
Houses probes from 5 - 12 mm in diameter with
up to 120 mm of the probe inside the shield
RAD 02:
Houses larger probes 14 - 25 mm in diameter,
taking up 222 mm of the probe inside the shield

my question: how would a normal WH32 fit into a Rad02, when the width of a WH32 sensor case is 4 cm (40 mm) ?
(as you recommended the Rad02 for mgma's normal WH32 earlier)

[mauro63]

@Mauro
I've read the specification sheet of the Rad01 and Rad02
(they are only in the download area, the product page only shows Rad06-14  )

There is says:
Probe compatibility
RAD 01:
Houses probes from 5 - 12 mm in diameter with
up to 120 mm of the probe inside the shield
RAD 02:
Houses larger probes 14 - 25 mm in diameter,
taking up 222 mm of the probe inside the shield

my question: how would a normal WH32 fit into a Rad02, when the width of a WH32 sensor case is 4 cm (40 mm) ?
(as you recommended the Rad02 for mgma's normal WH32 earlier)

There are a lot of versions that you can't see on website
This afternoon, when I will back from job, I will publish some images of actual rad02 and rad14

Mauro

[zoomx]

So then Barani Design Technologies is not professional ? As they show prices ... Or are they one of the (how many) exceptions ?
Or are the no-showers the exception ?

You know, common practice in Germany is showing a UVP (non-binding sales price recommendation) which may be negotiable with the seller if the producer is the only seller ... in order to give potential customers an idea of an order of magnitude of the price.
In India this is called M.R.P. (maximum retail price),MSRP (manufacturer's suggested retail price) in the US, there is also a prezzo indicativo in Italy  - never mind - we'll see what Mauro will come up with (and if it's not considered to be politically correct, he can send me a PM  )

I work in volcanology and sometimes I have to buy instrumentations. Only few companies have prices in thei web sites.
For example, I have to buy some instrumentations for magnetotelluric and one company is Metronix, a german company
https://www.metronix.de/metronixweb/en/geophysics/products/logger/adu-08e/
No prices, I had to ask a quote.
A few days ago I read about an interesting instruments, a sort of hyperspectral camera that can visualizes gas emissions like methane
It is made by telops
https://www.telops.com/products/hyperspectral-ir-cameras/hyperspectral-cameras
No prices. There is also a german vendor
https://sphereoptics.de/en/product/hyper-cam-2/
no prices.
I don't like not to see prices but this is what I found usually in scientific field. Maybe because of low production numbers, I don't know.

[mauro63]

@Mauro
I've read the specification sheet of the Rad01 and Rad02
(they are only in the download area, the product page only shows Rad06-14  )

There is says:
Probe compatibility
RAD 01:
Houses probes from 5 - 12 mm in diameter with
up to 120 mm of the probe inside the shield
RAD 02:
Houses larger probes 14 - 25 mm in diameter,
taking up 222 mm of the probe inside the shield

my question: how would a normal WH32 fit into a Rad02, when the width of a WH32 sensor case is 4 cm (40 mm) ?
(as you recommended the Rad02 for mgma's normal WH32 earlier)

Hello, some images and internal dimensions

Rad02
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Rad14
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I'm waiting for reply from the company and I will update ASAP

Mauro

[mauro63]

I can confirm the agreement with Metspec
I will make a new post with prices and conditions

Mauri

[mauro63]

Hello,
I communicate here the details of the agreement, and if the staff deems it appropriate, a special room will be opened
The agreement with Metspec concerns the Rad02 and Rad14 models, of which I have already sent pictures and internal measurements.
The prices reserved for wxforum users are as follows:

Rad02 - euro 86.00
Rad14 - euro 92.00

The prices indicated are net of VAT and shipping costs, for purchases made outside the UK, customs clearance costs will obviously be added.

The prices will be valid until 31/12/2021.

In order to proceed with the purchase, a request must be sent to the following email address:
mauro.serenello@meteonetwork.it

Please use the same email that you will use in future contacts with Metspec, I will reply as soon as possible by communicating your contact to the Company and I will provide you with direct contact and an identification code useful for future references.

From that moment on, please do not contact me for requests relating to shipping, timing, etc, I have no benefit from this agreement, so ...

Mauro

[wardie]

The agreement with Metspec concerns the Rad02 and Rad14 models, of which I have already sent pictures and internal measurements.

Hi Mauro I was looking at the dimensions of both the. Rad02 and Rad14. As far as I can see the Rad02 is big and can fit a regular device like a WH32 inside it or a WH57 etc. But the Rad14 is smaller and designed for a probe only like the WH32-EP‘s probe. Is that right?
I have a WH32 and need a better shield (I have the Ecowitt one). But I am thinking of upgrading to a WH32-EP at some point so ideally I want a good shield I can use with both types. I will re-use my Ecowitt shield for the WH57 instead.

[mauro63]

The agreement with Metspec concerns the Rad02 and Rad14 models, of which I have already sent pictures and internal measurements.

Hi Mauro I was looking at the dimensions of both the. Rad02 and Rad14. As far as I can see the Rad02 is big and can fit a regular device like a WH32 inside it or a WH57 etc. But the Rad14 is smaller and designed for a probe only like the WH32-EP‘s probe. Is that right?
I have a WH32 and need a better shield (I have the Ecowitt one). But I am thinking of upgrading to a WH32-EP at some point so ideally I want a good shield I can use with both types. I will re-use my Ecowitt shield for the WH57 instead.

Hello Wardie,
Sorry, I'm busy now, I will reply you tomorrow but you're right
Rad14 can accept only a single probe, for example Wh EP series
His performance is better than Rad02 but the solar radiation protection is the same, obviously the time constant, or reactivity Is different
But, coming from original ecowitt solar radiation shield, you will have a great quality difference, in every case

Mauro

[mgma]

today i received the radiation shield from ali express

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000971623787.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.1ef74c4d082dSR

now i will test it for 2 days and compare the temp and humidity with the weather station in the photo i don't have another choice to compare so this maybe best idea for me

[wicia21]

Hi

The prices for those radiation shield RAD02 and RAD14 are very affordable so I think that could be the best choice for our home weather stations. Mauro's tests show that RAD02 could be as good as Meteoshield for lower price.

[Gyvate]

It is nearly as good. 

I have observed and can tell owning/using one of both. The special triple helix design of the Meteoshield is/makes what we call the dot on the "i" as far as performance and reactivity are concerned. But these are "complaints" at a very high level. We are talking about deviations in the range of 0.1 - 0.4 centigrade where over 24 hours most measurements lie in the 0.1 - 0.2 centigrade range, even during the 12 hour day time.

However, the Meteoshield is built to house (only) probes whereas a MetSpec Rad02 can house both, a probe or (and even and) a chocolate-bar sized/shaped sensor like the Ecowitt WH31, WH32 (at the same time). The price/performance ratio of the MetSpec Rad02 is in my assessment excellent.
It also performs better than a Davis 7714 which lies in the same order of magnitude price-wise.

[wicia21]

I have Davis 7714 witch PT100 calibrated probe at home and I'm not pleased because when sun is shining on shield at an angle 45 degrees the temperature rise quickly and heat error sometimes is about 3-4 degrees. I want to buy RAD02 shield test it and compare results with Davis 7714

[Gyvate]

I replied to another post earlier today - see https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=42512.msg433980#msg433980

There you find everything you need to order. 

VAT or GST or Sales tax will depend on the country you live in.
It's shipped from the UK.

[wicia21]

I wonder how much it will cost shipping to Poland ? I hope not too much because my budget is not too big.