Topic: WH-5300 and gw 1000

[mgma]

I bought weather station in this photo and weather smart hub gw 1000 but the RF signal don't work with this station and when I tried another weather sensor it work fine and the RF blue led signal work also ,, Is gw1000 smart hub Does not support this weather station,,for notice this outdor sensor without solar panel,uv and light sensors,

[galfert]

It may be that the frequency of your GW1000 did not match the station. The GW1000 is available with three different frequencies; 433, 868, and 915. You cannot change the frequency of the sensor nor of the GW1000, but they must match.

[zoomx]

If you bought from Misol the frequency is 433MHz.
Check in WSview the GW1000 name, if it is written GW1000-xxxx you have a 433MHz version, GW1000A-XXXX is 868MHz version, GW1000B-XXX is 915MHz.
Misol sells GW1000 at 433MHz and tey are cheap on Aliexpress

[Gyvate]

If you bought from Misol the frequency is 433MHz.
Check in WSview the GW1000 name, if it is written GW1000-xxxx you have a 433MHz version, GW1000A-XXXX is 868MHz version, GW1000B-XXX is 915MHz.
Misol sells GW1000 at 433MHz and tey are cheap on Aliexpress

GW1000C-XXXX to be precise. https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730.msg417956#msg417956 acronym scheme, as per Ecowitt 
As per the OP picture the station is from Misol, i.e. 433 MHz. If the GW1000 is a 433 MHz model, it could receive the sensor array.

But I'm not sure if this is a WH65/WH69 array even though it looks like it. Its inner life may be different and only available to the WH5300 console - and the GW1000 may not detect/process it.
Afaik the array which comes with the WH5300 console only has a "light-weight WH65" (or "diet" WH65  ), no solar sensor, no solar panel - powered by batteries only, transmission every 48 seconds etc.
The official name is, afaik, WN67 - see matrix https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=40730 2nd line, footnote 23.
It's not (yet) in the Ecowitt portfolio (in future it will come with the WN1900), only in the Fine Offset portfolio and sold by rebranders like Froggit, Misol ...

[zoomx]

GW1000C-XXXX to be precise.

WsView list them as only GW1000 without any letter.
GW1000 without letter appear in the gateway response when you ask live data.
The 868MHz instead reply as GW1000A. I don't have any 915MHz GW1000 but people says that appears as GW1000B.

[mgma]

both sensor and gw1000 have the same frequency (433)  ,,the model in (ali express store) is wh 5300 but on the sensor show another



i don't know if this the same model

[Gyvate]

GW1000C-XXXX to be precise.

WsView list them as only GW1000 without any letter.
GW1000 without letter appear in the gateway response when you ask live data.
The 868MHz instead reply as GW1000A. I don't have any 915MHz GW1000 but people says that appears as GW1000B.

Then Ecowitt do not follow here their internal rules which they have given to themselves ... 

[Gyvate]

both sensor and gw1000 have the same frequency (433)  ,,the model in (ali express store) is wh 5300 but on the sensor show another

i don't know if this the same model

That's a helpful photo ! 
I have asked Ecowitt about their (different or same) no solar and only battery powered outdoor arrays.
Will wait for the answer.
If it were a WN67, it should be recognized by a GW1000 of the same frequency.
But maybe this is a "WN14", a different model which the GW1000 doesn't know.
Let's wait for the Ecowitt reply ...

[Gyvate]

The WN67 and WN14 use different modulation methods (WN67 FSK=Frequency shift keying , WN14 ASK=Amplitude shift keying). FSK is considered superior to ASK.
A GW1000 won't be able to receive and process the WN14 signals.
So, it's not only the same frequency which is needed but also the same signal modulation method.

[zoomx]

Maybe WN14 is the new version of the old WH1080 sensors group so it uses the same modulation.

[mgma]

The WN67 and WN14 use different modulation methods (WN67 FSK=Frequency shift keying , WN14 ASK=Amplitude shift keying). FSK is considered superior to ASK.
A GW1000 won't be able to receive and process the WN14 signals.
So, it's not only the same frequency which is needed but also the same signal modulation method.

so no chance to connect my weather station online and i lost my money when i purchase gw1000 

[Gyvate]

The WN67 and WN14 use different modulation methods (WN67 FSK=Frequency shift keying , WN14 ASK=Amplitude shift keying). FSK is considered superior to ASK.
A GW1000 won't be able to receive and process the WN14 signals.
So, it's not only the same frequency which is needed but also the same signal modulation method.

so no chance to connect my weather station online and i lost my money when i purchase gw1000 

This depends on the perspective  . The WH5300 is low cost, not expandable and not latest technology ...
The GW1000 is. So you invested in the future.
No idea where you are located. Aliexpress sells the outdoor array (WH65/WS69, 433 MHz model) which could be read by the GW1000 for about 42 EUR.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001848816734.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.35737e19JkqO7Y&algo_pvid=6c7cd35f-7c9e-4319-a903-8af4de0b65ad&algo_expid=6c7cd35f-7c9e-4319-a903-8af4de0b65ad-18&btsid=0b0a050b16218738330316095e0d3b&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_

[mgma]

The WN67 and WN14 use different modulation methods (WN67 FSK=Frequency shift keying , WN14 ASK=Amplitude shift keying). FSK is considered superior to ASK.
A GW1000 won't be able to receive and process the WN14 signals.
So, it's not only the same frequency which is needed but also the same signal modulation method.

so no chance to connect my weather station online and i lost my money when i purchase gw1000 

This depends on the perspective  . The WH5300 is low cost, not expandable and not latest technology ...
The GW1000 is. So you invested in the future.
No idea where you are located. Aliexpress sells the outdoor array (WH65/WS69, 433 MHz model) which could be read by the GW1000 for about 42 EUR.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001848816734.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.35737e19JkqO7Y&algo_pvid=6c7cd35f-7c9e-4319-a903-8af4de0b65ad&algo_expid=6c7cd35f-7c9e-4319-a903-8af4de0b65ad-18&btsid=0b0a050b16218738330316095e0d3b&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_

okay thank you i will keep GW 1000 for For the near future ,I regret buying this station and I will replace it soon with another one better ,,thanks guys for help

[mgma]

i bought this sensor ,now i can connect my PWS to the internet ,it come with display but i don't want to use it because i have the GW1000 ,second thing ,this sensor under the weather station is (wh32) for temp and humidty (secound choice) but this radiation shield is bad it recording a high temp when the sun touch it especially from above i but this white Plastic to make onther shaded area maybe this look stupid but i don't recommended this radiation shield



bad radiation shield



 

[mauro63]

i bought this sensor ,now i can connect my PWS to the internet ,it come with display but i don't want to use it because i have the GW1000 ,second thing ,this sensor under the weather station is (wh32) for temp and humidty (secound choice) but this radiation shield is bad it recording a high temp when the sun touch it especially from above i but this white Plastic to make onther shaded area maybe this look stupid but i don't recommended this radiation shield



bad radiation shield



 

Sorry,
this is NOT a solar radiation shield, but only a protection against rain and snow, he cannot protect from solar radiation and from soil irradiation

Mauro

[mgma]

i bought this sensor ,now i can connect my PWS to the internet ,it come with display but i don't want to use it because i have the GW1000 ,second thing ,this sensor under the weather station is (wh32) for temp and humidty (secound choice) but this radiation shield is bad it recording a high temp when the sun touch it especially from above i but this white Plastic to make onther shaded area maybe this look stupid but i don't recommended this radiation shield



bad radiation shield



 

Sorry,
this is NOT a solar radiation shield, but only a protection against rain and snow, he cannot protect from solar radiation and from soil irradiation

Mauro

but the same radiation shield used in this station ,and (misol) selling this as a spare part 

[mauro63]

i bought this sensor ,now i can connect my PWS to the internet ,it come with display but i don't want to use it because i have the GW1000 ,second thing ,this sensor under the weather station is (wh32) for temp and humidty (secound choice) but this radiation shield is bad it recording a high temp when the sun touch it especially from above i but this white Plastic to make onther shaded area maybe this look stupid but i don't recommended this radiation shield



bad radiation shield



 

Sorry,
this is NOT a solar radiation shield, but only a protection against rain and snow, he cannot protect from solar radiation and from soil irradiation

Mauro

but the same radiation shield used in this station ,and (misol) selling this as a spare part 

I know, this Is not a problem about the name, that I think Is not correct, but about quality
Davis 7714 Is a real solar radiation shield and, at higher quality, other professionale solar radiation shields, like Barani, Metspec, Rm-young, Gill and many many others

Mauro

[Gyvate]

The T/H shield of the new generation sensor arrays (WH65 and WS80) are reasonably good, especially the one which comes with the WS80.
They can all be received by the GW1000.
I have a WS80 (ultrasonic anemometer + solar radiation + T/H outdoor array) next to the "king of passive radiation shields", the Barani MeteoShield Pro with a WH31-EP (extra T/H sensor, extra precision) and the differences in measurements are 0.2-0.5 degrees (average); in absolute/maximum terms can the WS80 be 1-1.5°C higher than a (WH31-EP in a) Meteoshield Pro in times of strong sun radiation and low winds.
This is 49° N Latitude.
Constant sunshine (15.28 hours today) - no clouds. The theoretical maximum of sunshine today was 15.3 hours.
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The Davis 7714 is also pretty good (not as good as a Meteoshield, but also cheaper - between 70-110 EUR, Meteoshield Pro: 200 EUR).
But to see the relations: you can get the WS80 for 140 USD/120 EUR from Ecowitt (and that's not just a shield, it's a complete outdoor sensor array (only rain gauge missing)).
It also depends how big your personal tolerance for potential temperature measurement deviation in your local micro-climate is. 

[mauro63]

The T/H shield of the new generation sensor arrays (WH65 and WS80) are reasonably good, especially the one which comes with the WS80.
They can all be received by the GW1000.
I have a WS80 (ultrasonic anemometer + solar radiation + T/H outdoor array) next to the "king of passive radiation shields", the Barani MeteoShield Pro with a WH31-EP (extra T/H sensor, extra precision) and the differences in measurements are 0.2-0.5 degrees.
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The Davis 7714 is also pretty good (not as good as a Meteoshield, but also cheaper - between 70-110 EUR, Meteoshield Pro: 200 EUR).
But to see the relations: you can get the WS80 for 140 USD/120 EUR from Ecowitt.

Ws80 vs Meteoshield Pro and a new prototype of professional radiation shield, today, the center of Italy, low wind and about 1000w solar radiation
same height from the ground, same exposure, on grass

take a look at the deviation from the reference graph

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Mauro

[Gyvate]

Mauro can be very fast when the Holy Grail of Outdoor Temperature measurements and related radiation shields in touched.
I have edited/completed my original post while he had already replied. 

[mauro63]

Mauro can be very fast when the Holy Grail of Outdoor Temperature measurements and related radiation shields in touched.
I have edited/completed my original post while he had already replied. 

I totally agree with you, and I would like to be honest, I like my ws80, the little dimension of the solar radiation shield gives her a very low time constant, but I cannot consider his data reliable if we are talking about instant data
If we consider only the minimum, maximum and average data, knowing his error, we can estimate the real value based on the condition (wind+solar radiation) but we have to consider a lot of other parameters, not least the sun angle elevation

Generally, I consider ws80 a very good start, but, if the user wants to reach reliable performances, need to be added a wh32, if possible EP version, and a good solar radiation shield

Mauro

[mgma]

 

Sorry,
this is NOT a solar radiation shield, but only a protection against rain and snow, he cannot protect from solar radiation and from soil irradiation

Mauro

but the same radiation shield used in this station ,and (misol) selling this as a spare part 


I know, this Is not a problem about the name, that I think Is not correct, but about quality
Davis 7714 Is a real solar radiation shield and, at higher quality, other professionale solar radiation shields, like Barani, Metspec, Rm-young, Gill and many many others

Mauro

wich one from this radiation shield can i using it with wh32 sensor

[mauro63]

 

Sorry,
this is NOT a solar radiation shield, but only a protection against rain and snow, he cannot protect from solar radiation and from soil irradiation

Mauro

but the same radiation shield used in this station ,and (misol) selling this as a spare part 


I know, this Is not a problem about the name, that I think Is not correct, but about quality
Davis 7714 Is a real solar radiation shield and, at higher quality, other professionale solar radiation shields, like Barani, Metspec, Rm-young, Gill and many many others

Mauro

wich one from this radiation shield can i using it with wh32 sensor

if your wh32 is not an EP version, you need a lot of space inside the radiation shield

at the moment, for what the market offers, I would say that the Metspec Rad02 is the best choice
we have been testing it in our network for about a year with absolutely satisfactory results

Mauro

[Gyvate]

@mgma
To be fair, the MetSpec Rad-01 or RAD-02 are offered (the very few offers which one can find in the internet) for about 190 EUR !!
The manufacturer (located in the UK, www.metspec.net) seems to be very secretive about the pricing - no information on their web page
(or so well hidden that I didn't find it).
The WH32 would fit into the MetSpec Rad-02. And I don't doubt the quality of the product ...

However, it will also fit into a Davis 7714, just tilted - not vertical, but this won't have an effect on the readings, but for 1/2 to 1/3 the price.

So unless you are an accuracy enthusiast like Mauro where +/- 0.05 °C are important, or don't mind the money, you'd do good with a Davis 7714 (for 70-110 EUR).

If you are an accuracy enthusiast and don't mind spending the money, you better get your self a WH32-EP sensor,
and then having the choice between MetSpec Rad-01 and Barani MeteoShield Pro, I'd go for the Meteoshield Pro and spend 10-15 EUR more.

[mauro63]

@mgma
To be fair, the MetSpec Rad-01 or RAD-02 are offered (the very few offers which one can find in the internet) for about 190 EUR !!
The manufacturer (located in the UK, www.metspec.net) seems to be very secretive about the pricing - no information on their web page
(or so well hidden that I didn't find it).
The WH32 would fit into the MetSpec Rad-02. And I don't doubt the quality of the product ...

However, it will also fit into a Davis 7714, just tilted - not vertical, but this won't have an effect on the readings, but for 1/2 to 1/3 the price.

So unless you are an accuracy enthusiast like Mauro where +/- 0.05 °C are important, or don't mind the money, you'd do good with a Davis 7714 (for 70-110 EUR).

If you are an accuracy enthusiast and don't mind spending the money, you better get your self a WH32-EP sensor,
and then having the choice between MetSpec Rad-01 and Barani MeteoShield Pro, I'd go for the Meteoshield Pro and spend 10-15 EUR more.

just to clarify,
I don't care about 0.05 or 0.1 / 0.2 because they are less than my measurement uncertainty

the rad 02 costs less than those figures, if the user is interested write to me privately and put him in contact with the company with which I have a collaboration relationship

i would not buy the meteoshield pro for a normal wh32, its size is too big and it touches the internal helicoids, it fits by force

m.