Free???

[Farmtalk]

I am currently using the GRLevel X 2 and 3 trial downloads and absolutely love them.... Not loving the price tag.... Does anyone know where I can get one or both free???

[mackbig]

This is a good place to start
https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/report/add.aspx?

 

[Farmtalk]

Ooohhhh.... u r evil..... I think we might go to war    

I call lightning bolts!

[Bushman]

Good gosh man.  If you have to ask then you don't deserve a free copy.  there are "warez" or keygens all over the place.  But why you would not pay for something of value to you is beyond me.

[Farmtalk]

Thanks Bushman... Youre right...

I am seriously going to ge rid of any illegal items on my computer (Its not much), and I am not ever going to download anything illegal again....

I feel kind of guilty for what I've done....

--Farmtalk--

[Chris H.]

Thanks Bushman... Youre right...

I am seriously going to ge rid of any illegal items on my computer (Its not much), and I am not ever going to download anything illegal again....

I feel kind of guilty for what I've done....

--Farmtalk--

I don't support the stealing of music either (such as the now-closed LimeWire). Keep this in mind. 

[Farmtalk]

would downloading off real player be illegal???

[Bushman]

Now that is an interesting question.  There are stream recorders that will capture audio streams from players.  Of course if you post that recording for others that is illegal.  For your own use, I dunno.  Not sure what the DMCA says on that.  As a kid we used to swap 45's and tape them to reel-to-rell or cassette.

[Farmtalk]

i guess I'll get rid of it then...

[Chris H.]

Now that is an interesting question.  There are stream recorders that will capture audio streams from players.  Of course if you post that recording for others that is illegal.  For your own use, I dunno.  Not sure what the DMCA says on that.  As a kid we used to swap 45's and tape them to reel-to-rell or cassette.

If done via P2P (Peer-to-Peer), then yes, it is illegal. Personal use, no.

[Farmtalk]

Thanks, I was literally minutes away from deleting it???

[Chris H.]

Thanks, I was literally minutes away from deleting it???

I still don't support stealing music anyhow, even if one does NOT share it.

[Farmtalk]

Well, I guess I figure I'll delete it.... I guess if I were Justin Beiber (Though I'm not a fan of his music; I'm a 40s-80s person ), I wouldnt want people getting my music for free.

Thanks Chris H.

(Thanks for your opinion to Dan S, even though I went against it)

[Chris H.]

Well, I figure I'll delete it.... I guess if I were Justin Beiber (Though I'm not a fan of his music; I'm a 40s-80s person ), I wouldnt want people getting my music for free.

I say buying a song for 99c-$1.29 is a cheaper way to get music than spending $10+ on a full album. BUT that's me. I say get an album if you like more than a few songs on the album. And I think those 40s-80s artists (and I guess the Biebs herself himself) would be grateful if you (or anyone else) didn't distribute it without paying.

Thanks Chris H.

(Thanks for your opinion to Dan S, even though I went against it)

You're welcome.

I don't see DanS in this thread though...

[Farmtalk]

I'm pretty sure DanS was on here

I think I read a post about him saying that it wasnt illegal if you didnt sell it, but it was legal if it was for personal use...

IDK

[DanS]

Yeah, I decided it probably wasn't correct posting that and removed it.

[Farmtalk]

Thanks for the clarification

[DanS]

A similar analogy to "stealing" would be tuning your home radio to your favorite station and recording a song for your personal listening. Over the air or over the open Internet.

Seem to recall many years ago the FCC having problems making legal decisions with homeowners receiving satellite signals on their property for free.

[Farmtalk]

I definitely agree with you.... I think that I should work on my character a little... Not to worry; I have found few sites for it.

[Bushman]

A similar analogy to "stealing" would be tuning your home radio to your favorite station and recording a song for your personal listening. Over the air or over the open Internet.

Seem to recall many years ago the FCC having problems making legal decisions with homeowners receiving satellite signals on their property for free.

Actually this is more applicable: http://all-streaming-media.com/streaming-media-faq/faq-replay-music-and-legal-streaming-audio-recording-ripping-capturing-downloading.htm

Ergo, recording  an open audio stream FOR PERSONAL USE is NOT  illegal.

[Chris H.]

Well I seem to recall there was a trial not too long ago where a gal was caught not paying the copyright and courts ordered her to pay a couple million back to the owners of the songs. She was crying about it that she was an single mom etc.

Don't dance if you can't pay.

Okay. Fixed so the point gets further across.  


Basically, you know it's wrong to steal- don't do it.

[Farmtalk]

Got ya Chris H.    Of course, I would never steal out of an actual store, but I never really considered relating that to online until now...

[Bushman]

Now it so happened in the days of old Yedo, as Tokyo was once called, that the storytellers told marvelous tales of the wit and wisdom of His Honorable Honor, Ooka Tadasuke.

This famous judge never refused to hear a complaint, even if it seemed strange or unreasonable. People sometimes came to his court with the most unusual cases, but Ooka always agreed to listen. And the strangest case of all was the famous Case of the Stolen Smell.

It all began when a poor student rented a room over a tempura shop - a shop where fried food could be bought. The student was a most likeable young man, but the shopkeeper was a miser who suspected everyone of trying to get the better of him. One day he heard the student talking with one of his friends.

"It is sad to be so poor that one can only afford to eat plain rice," the friend complained.

"Oh," said the student, "I have found a very satisfactory answer to the problem. I eat my rice each day while the shopkeeper downstairs fries his fish. The smell comes up, and my humble rice seems to have much more flavor. It is really the smell, you know, that makes things taste so good."

The shopkeeper was furious. To think that someone was enjoying the smell of his fish for nothing! "Thief!" he shouted, "I demand that you pay me for the smells you have stolen."

"A smell is a smell," the young man replied. "Anyone can smell what he wants to. I will pay you nothing!"

Scarlet with rage, the shopkeeper rushed to Ooka's court and charged the student with theft. Of course, everyone laughed at him, for how could anyone steal a smell? Ooka would surely send the man about his business. But to everyone's astonishment, the judge agreed to hear the case.

"Every man is entitled to his hour in court," he explained. "If this man feels strongly enough about his smell to make a complaint, it is only right that I, as city magistrate, should hear the case." He frowned at the amused spectators.

Gravely, Ooka sat on the dais and heard the evidence. Then he delivered his verdict.

"The student is obviously guilty," he said severely. "Taking another person's property is theft, and I cannot see that a smell is different from any other property."

The shopkeeper was delighted, but the student was horrified. He was very poor, and he owed the shopkeeper for three month's smelling. He would surely be thrown into prison.

"How much money have you?," Ooka asked him.

"Only five mon, Honorable Honor," the boy replied. "I need that to pay my rent, or I will be thrown out into the street."

"Let me see the money," said the judge.

The young man held out his hand. Ooka nodded and told him to drop the coins from one hand to the other.

The judge listened to the pleasant clink of the money and said to the shopkeeper, "You have now been paid. If you have any other complaints in the future, please bring them to the court. It is our wish that all injustices be punished and all virtue rewarded.

"But most Honorable Honor," the shopkeeper protested, "I did not get the money! The thief dropped it from one hand to the other. See! I have nothing." He held up his empty hands to show the judge.

Ooka stared at him gravely. "It is the court's judgement that the punishment should fit the crime. I have decided that the price of the smell of food shall be the sound of money. Justice has prevailed as usual in my court."

[Farmtalk]

Where did you find that story??? I really like it

[Bushman]

I've seen that particular story in three or four formats:  from a beggar in France to an urchin in the Middle East.  Not really sure of its origin.  I just thought it was appropriate for this thread.