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Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« on: May 20, 2010, 10:55:38 PM »
Apparently Dish Network also thinks The Weather Channel "... is relying too much on "weather-tainment" such as movies, and turning away from local-weather reporting."

Scheduled to happen in just a few hours.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704513104575256880784721458.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2021422020100520
http://www.ajc.com/business/dish-to-drop-weather-532010.html
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-20/dish-network-drops-weather-channel-starts-service-update1-.html

Soon to come... Weather Cast.  ;)
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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2010, 11:05:58 PM »
I think it's about time TWC had some competition.

I'm tired of tuning in for current weather information and finding anything but.  Or is it "butt"?  :roll:
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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2010, 11:14:18 PM »
Gonna miss Heather Tesch, but other then that no loss there. lol  BTW watching Weathercast for the first time now, it's very unpolished but kinda cool.  

Edit: weathercast appears not to be live.  That's not good at all.  Seems to be a couple hours behind right now actually.
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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2010, 12:03:08 AM »
   I hope that doesn't happen with my cablesystem.  For the past 4 days I have watched at least 3 straight hours per night as they covered the severe weather. Mike Bettis(spelling?) in the field and Dr. Forbes and Cantore explaining the radars and SRV's and a ton of other stuff has been the best weather class I have ever had. It's not everyday you get a meteo of Dr. Forbes caliber teaching interpreting radars and such.  I at least hope my cable company will wait till winter.

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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2010, 12:55:31 AM »
If they get dropped off a few more systems, they might rethink their programming.  That may not get them back on the systems they lost though.


Reading the stories, it seems to be as much about money and carriage fees as it is about programming.
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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2010, 06:49:27 AM »
Still on for now.

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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2010, 08:36:39 AM »
I just noticed the new channel last night... is it supposed to be interactive in any way? I noticed the tabs at the bottom of the screen... maybe they're moving towards the interactive weather that DirecTV has?

I've watched way less of The Weather Channel over the past few years, but you've got to admit that their severe weather coverage is pretty thorough, if not over the top some times. We get worried here on the coast if Jim Cantore shows up, LOL...
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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2010, 08:49:20 AM »
Some interesting tidbits...

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=177592

http://weathernation.net/weather/

From the DBSTalk forum:

"Just turned on channel 213 and the first face I saw was Paul Douglas, the owner of WeatherNation - http://www.weathernation.net/. I think it's safe to assume they're the ones producing the channel. Douglas founded the company a few years ago after being let go by WCCO-TV in Minneapolis due to budget cuts."

Also read that apparently at this time only the SD version of the channel works interactively, not the HD version...
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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2010, 10:41:05 AM »
I'm reading in some places an agreement might have been reached.  Does that mean we get both stations?
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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2010, 11:17:30 AM »
Appears so for now.  Too bad.  I was hoping for Dish to stick to their guns, but it seems it was about money after all and the programming objections and comments were just a smokescreen.

Even at that, I wonder if TWC took note and might eliminate some of the nonsense.


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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2010, 03:38:17 PM »
Some interesting tidbits...

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=177592

http://weathernation.net/weather/

From the DBSTalk forum:

"Just turned on channel 213 and the first face I saw was Paul Douglas, the owner of WeatherNation - http://www.weathernation.net/. I think it's safe to assume they're the ones producing the channel. Douglas founded the company a few years ago after being let go by WCCO-TV in Minneapolis due to budget cuts."

Also read that apparently at this time only the SD version of the channel works interactively, not the HD version...

You are correct.  The same people who now bring you HAMweather, my partner in PWSweather.com.  ;)
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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2010, 03:40:53 PM »
Appears so for now.  Too bad.  I was hoping for Dish to stick to their guns, but it seems it was about money after all and the programming objections and comments were just a smokescreen.
Not a smokescreen, but one of the factors that contributed to Dish looking for a change.

I have DirecTV.  Guess I'll have to go over to the mom-in-laws to see this in action.  :D
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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2010, 04:35:17 PM »
Just caught a bit of weather cast again at lunch and it's still a couple hours behind.  What's the point in that?  It won't last long with crap like that.
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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2010, 05:46:50 PM »
Guess this will just make it more important for us PWS folks to provide a better local coverage of weather.
I haven't checked out the replacement programming but if it is roughly 2 hrs behind the times and probably for some other area than where I am watching from
it don't really sound like anything I would be interested in anyway.. but I'll be unbiased I'll give it a try :-P


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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2010, 09:04:36 PM »
Paul Douglas started WeatherNation a few years ago.  This is about his third venture at personal weather.
He knows what he is doing.


I know someone that is doing production for them. He has been very busy. 

I hope it is a success.  It gives a little competition.

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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2010, 09:38:37 PM »
Just caught a bit of weather cast again at lunch and it's still a couple hours behind.  What's the point in that?  It won't last long with crap like that.
I just went over to my mother-in-law's to take a look at it.  Was current on her TV.  So I don't know where you're seeing this.  I did notice the past temperatures are only shown for every few hours.  But it was just before 6 and they were showing the Sacramento temperature as reported at 5PM (which would have been the last report issued by the National Weather Service).  Despite what some "accu" places may show, temperatures for every place are not available every minute... except from personal weather stations that update every minute.  ;)

I must say it reminded me a lot of what The Weather Channel used to be... and I liked it.  :D

Strange seeing the same maps used on my web sites on the TV, though.  :D
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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2010, 08:11:30 AM »
Paul Douglas and weathernation

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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2010, 08:25:30 AM »
Great story.  I wish them much luck.  I hope they can get a DirecTV contract, too!
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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2010, 11:59:38 AM »
Just caught a bit of weather cast again at lunch and it's still a couple hours behind.  What's the point in that?  It won't last long with crap like that.
I just went over to my mother-in-law's to take a look at it.  Was current on her TV.  So I don't know where you're seeing this.  I did notice the past temperatures are only shown for every few hours.  But it was just before 6 and they were showing the Sacramento temperature as reported at 5PM (which would have been the last report issued by the National Weather Service).  Despite what some "accu" places may show, temperatures for every place are not available every minute... except from personal weather stations that update every minute.  ;)

I must say it reminded me a lot of what The Weather Channel used to be... and I liked it.  :D

Strange seeing the same maps used on my web sites on the TV, though.  :D


I think it has nothing to do with location and all to do with time of day.  I've caught them four times now giving out warnings that were hours old.  I'm not talking about temperature, I'm talking about the actual meteorologist on the TV in front of a map giving out old info.  Giving out out dated info good way to get someone hurt, and they won't be in business long by doing it.
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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2010, 06:24:26 PM »
I noticed they were showing old info too.  Today, they were showing advisories and radar as of 10:50 AM when it was already 1:30 PM on the west coast.  That is not good.  They are going to have to do a lot better than that if they really want to compete with TWC which isn't hard to do.

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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2010, 04:24:31 PM »
I see today that The Weather Cast is gone already and TWC is still there.  Dish Network and TWC must have reached a deal at the last minute.  They have a notice on channel 213 that The Weather Cast is no longer available and that they are replacing it with local/region weather information from Dish Network and The Weather Channel.  So, we're still stuck with old reruns and stupid movies.  :-(

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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2010, 04:55:57 PM »
The Weather Cast will be providing more of the local forecasts on The Weather Channel's channels.

As for the warnings delay issue... that was a problem with how often a satellite service they were using could distribute some of the videos.

Must say pretty impressive a small company could create that much of an impact on a huge company like The Weather Channel and Universal/NBC.  Just shows that these days it isn't a big company beating a big company, but a better company (no matter how big). :)

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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2010, 05:08:14 PM »
Wimps.

I was hoping Charlie would finally show some nads.


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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2010, 05:12:45 PM »
Like I said earlier.  It was all a lie.  It was never about programming content, only about money.

What a bunch of scumbags.

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Re: Dish Network to drop Weather Channel tonight
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2010, 10:18:32 PM »
TWC/NBC must have stepped up to the plate and swung a home run out of the whole deal or something!
I too noticed the message saying that Weather Cast is no  longer available. Fortunately they have other customers than Dish or this would have
been total devastation for them.

Guess it remains to be seen what kind of programming specialization the channel will provide :lol:


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