Apple Introduces possible game changer: the iPad. Like the iPod but with books!

[WeatherGoose]

Yup!  You're absolutely right!  I finally got chance to read up on this thing...

The operating system is based around the iPHONE OS which at the moment also has the same limitation.  But knowing Apple, there will be revisions to this V1 OS and I am sure that eventually it will be able to run more than one thing at a time. (I have been reading rumors that the next iPHONE OS update will offer multi-tasking)  Things like HD video are also things that can be added with software updates, or more expensive versions of the hardware.  It is obvious that Apple is bowing to public and media pressure by trying to bring this thing in under the 500 dollar price point.

There are obviously going to be limitations when you build around a price point instead of a feature set, with Apple traditionally aiming for the latter, but always gets hammered on for charging too much $$.  Damned if you do, and damned if you don't I guess.  

[Bushman]

Like Dad used to say:  "Never buy the first model year of anything!"  (Works for cars, PCs, tablets...)

[WeatherGoose]

Like Dad used to say:  "Never buy the first model year of anything!"  (Works for cars, PCs, tablets...)

This is especially true when it comes to Apple stuff! 

[lddaly]

Like Dad used to say:  "Never buy the first model year of anything!"  (Works for cars, PCs, tablets...)

This is especially true when it comes to Apple stuff! 

Exactly... I am a little nervous about the 27" iMac I ordered earlier this month.

[WeatherGoose]

Like Dad used to say:  "Never buy the first model year of anything!"  (Works for cars, PCs, tablets...)

This is especially true when it comes to Apple stuff!  

Exactly... I am a little nervous about the 27" iMac I ordered earlier this month.

It is a little different when you are ordering a NEXT GEN of an existing product.  Only issue I have heard about that new 27" iMAC was a video flickering issue, but I believe that this was resolved and current production units should no longer be affected by that.  This however did cause some of the delays you are probably facing with your delivery date.  In this case, it is worth the extra wait!  

Congrats by the way!  That 27" iMAC is a MONSTER, and gives the Mac Pro a serious run for its money based on the benchmarks I saw!!  

[mackbig]

Somewhere, someone is waiting for Call of Duty to come out for their Pippin. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV9hFruYAEI&NR=1

Andrew

Like Dad used to say:  "Never buy the first model year of anything!"  (Works for cars, PCs, tablets...)

This is especially true when it comes to Apple stuff! 

[WeatherGoose]

I just read the email I got from Apple on this thing.

It DOES have HD VIDEO!  So... That was one piece of misinformation that made it out today before everything was released by Apple. 

[Strgazr27]

I am a big FAN of high quality products.  What is wrong with that?  You Mac/Apple bashers never use, own or experience the Apple design advantages, yet you claim to be experts in them.  

Where is an iPhone, iPod, or Mac from another manufacturer at 1/3 the cost?  Doesn't exist.  Despite all the years of iPOD/iPHONE "killer" proclamations, nothing comes close to the real thing.  But you would have to actually own the real thing to know how far from comparable any of these "knock-offs" are.  

Personally, I don't buy JUNK. That is why I am a big fan of Apple's products.  If you prefer to buy JUNK and then try to convince yourself and others into believing that it is just as good as the real thing, then good for you. Who am I to burst your "delusional" bubble with a reality check?  

Meanwhile, I will continue to enjoy the advantages of a superior product that will far outlast your "wannabe" imitation, while offering superior performance and ease of use that entire time.  

And to state this ONE MORE TIME:  There has NEVER been an OSX virus in the WILD that has infected the Mac community.  There have been many "proof of concept" virus put forth, but none of them have ever actually infected the user base.  As for hacking into a Mac running OSX on the internet... I have been running an OPEN FIREWALL on my Mac based home networks for 20 years and counting. (Have been using the internet since 1989)  I run no virus protection software on any of my current 5 machines.  Three of them are connected to the net 24/7/365 and I have NEVER been infected with a virus or been hacked.

I challenge anyone to do the same with a Windows PC and time how many "minutes" it takes for the machine to become infected with something.  

You can talk "potential" all you want.  I am far more concerned with "reality", and in this regard OSX is basically immune from the type of virus and malicious attacks that Windows users suffer with the threat of on a daily basis.

And back to the topic of this thread... Like I said...This new Tablet product is going to be HUGE.  You know Apple is on to something just from all the whining you hear coming from the anti-Apple crowd and Apple's competition.   

Goose,

I WAS busting chops. The truth is your wrong on several points you make.

As a PAST owner of an 8Gb Nano ( I switched to a Sansa 8Gb - easily as nice as my nano at almost 1/3 the cost), A current owner of a Touch (Gotten for free when I went back to Optimum online for awhile), a past user of MACS in the 4 Adobe classes I took (Photoshop based) AND a current STOCK HOLDER for Apple I think I'm MORE than able to speak my opinions, even though they may not meet with your views on Apple and their products.

My current "Droid" is easily as good as my sisters Iphone 3GS. I spent several hours with her phone comparing them. How about this from wirelessweek.coms review..

"Any iPhone user who refutes the Droid's superiority in the nitty-gritty specs department has simply drank too much of Apple's home-brewed cider. The Droid offers a 5-megapixel camera with a flash. The iPhone offers a 3-megapixel camera and no flash. That may not seem like a big difference until you try to make a print of that photo you just snapped on your iPhone. Go any bigger than a 4 x 6 and you're risking a very grainy photo.

The Droid also trumps the iPhone with its 16GB removable memory, which can be upgraded to 32GB. iPhone users are subjected to minor torture with the knowledge that their device has as much capacity on the day they take it out of the box as it ever will. However, the cloud is easing that pain, with certain services allowing storage for pictures, messages and even music.

The Droid's battery gives users an extra 1.4 hours of talk time over the iPhone's 5 hours. However, battery life on a smartphone can vary by the user's sophistication. Smartphone users of all brands realize that shutting off Wi-Fi or 3G, as well as adjusting screen brightness, can dramatically improve battery life. Nevertheless, most iPhone users would give their left arm for an extra 1.4 hours of juice.

As you so politely stated above that basically anyone who doesn't buy an Apple product is buying junk?? How's that Apple Kool-Aid taste there Goose? I'll put my 7 machine up against any Mac you want to throw at it. After I'm done beating it I'll take my change and go buy another killer 7 based machine

You say above there has and I quote "There has NEVER been an OSX virus in the WILD that has infected the Mac community. Ummmm WRONG 

How about this:

http://www.silicon.com/technology/hardware/2006/02/16/apple-users-hit-by-worlds-first-mac-os-x-virus-39156522/

PLEASE pay attention to this paragraph The virus appears to have spread after members of a Mac user forum were tricked into clicking on the file, which was posted as an external link promising screenshots of the Leopard Mac OS X 10.5. Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant for Sophos, called this the first "real virus" for the Mac OS X platform.

How about this one:

http://www.brighthub.com/computing/mac-platform/articles/24143.aspx

Two dangerous viruses are spreading to Macs through pirated copies of iWork and Photoshop. We explore the problem, detail the solution, and explain the lessons all Mac users should learn from the incident.
Who does the virus affect?

The virus is contained in pirated copies of the iWork package and Adobe Photoshop
for the Mac. These are usually downloaded from BitTorrent listing sites. (See my article on BitTorrent for more details on how this works.)

The iWork version of the virus has been named OSX.Trojan.iServices.A by Intego, the security firm which discovered it. The Photoshop version has the same name but ending with .B.

Read more: http://www.brighthub.com/computing/mac-platform/articles/24143.aspx#ixzz0dt05UT68


Should I keep going? FACE IT.....It HAS happened AND more than once. 'Nuff said 

Now like you back on the subject. I hope the tablet is a HUGE success........It will help make the Stardot and the Boltek PCI easier to pay for this summer.

Regards!

[WeatherGoose]

You are of course entitled to your "opinion" regardless of how off-base that opinion is.  

You have made a big effort to disprove my claim on the virus issue while totally missing the point in the process.  I could argue the definition of what constitutes a WILD virus, but that wasn't the basis for my comments either.  I, like most people are concerned with REAL WORLD experience.  Not stats, or probability arguments.

This is the reality... I have NEVER been infected by a virus on ANY Macintosh computer or Apple operating system I have ever used or owned, and neither have ANY of my friends who own/use Macs.  I have yet to meet ANY Windows owner who has not been infected by a virus at least ONCE.  Like I said, you can talk about "potential" all you want.

The fact remains that for the majority of Mac users, they will NEVER have to deal with a SINGLE VIRUS INFECTION.  THAT is the reality regardless of how you want to spin it, or break my comments down into minutia or petty literal gotchas like... "WRONG! Here are THREE reports of a virus infecting "A" Mac computer in the last 15 years".  The BIG virus infection you are crowing about was TINY in comparison to an average Windows virus outbreak.  It didn't even make the news and was only briefly mentioned in trade journals and computer oriented publications.   When I say in the WILD, I am talking about hundreds of thousands of Mac owners being infected and having their systems brought to their knees.  Not a few dozen members of a Mac user group.

As for your Droid phone being better than an iPHONE?  Again, you are entitled to your "opinion" but you will be hard pressed to find more than a handful of people that share your opinion. And I seriously doubt that you would find a single iPHONE owner willing to give up their iPHONE for what you use.    Most people could care less about the specs of the components you seem to think trump far more important aspects of a device to most people.  That being the UI, the app store and everything that goes along with it.

And no... Owning Apple Stock and being in the same room as a couple of Mac computers during a Photoshop class doesn't make you an authority on the subject.  I have been using them since the first Mac came out in 1984, and for a good 15 years I had both a Mac and a Windows box in the same office and used both of them all day long.  Unlike the majority of Mac bashers who often have never even used a Macintosh for more than a few minutes 10 years ago, I know the Windows platform intimately and probably have more actual hours of experience on the Windows operating system than many of the Windows fanboys do.

My opinion on the differences between the two is based on this personal and professional experience using both, side by side for years.  You can choose to ignore that experience if you like, but that experience is where my comments and opinions come from. I know too much about Windows to be snowed into believing things about it that are not true, and for that matter myths about the Mac and OSX that users know are BS, but faux users "think" are true.  

Cheers.

P.S.  If you want to just "Bust My Chops" thats cool, but you need to make it VERY obvious.  I have been publicly attacked by other users on here several times in the last couple of weeks, so I am definitely watching my back around here.  

[Chris H.]

I hope they call it iPAD.  I think that would be the best name for this device.  

In terms of the success of the device?  It will be HUGE!    

I recall many nay sayers back when the iPOD Mini was first announced.   These self proclaimed "marketing experts" were trashing it saying it was too expensive,  no one would pay that much for that amount of music storage, blah blah blah.  It went on to become the best selling iPOD model in history at the time.  

Those who question and/or doubt Apple's ability to hit home runs with a brand new product genre are wrong 99.9% of the time.  

Goose,


You need to change your screenname to "Apple Pusher Extroadinaire" There are quite a few "Apple Fanatics" that STILL tout the MAC's inability to be compromised or hacked or suffer from a virus attack but we all know that is not the case. I'll be like everybody else and wait for the market to catch up and pay 1/3 less for the same item from a different manufacturer with the same quality

I am a big FAN of high quality products.  What is wrong with that?  You Mac/Apple bashers never use, own or experience the Apple design advantages, yet you claim to be experts in them.  

Where is an iPhone, iPod, or Mac from another manufacturer at 1/3 the cost?  Doesn't exist.  Despite all the years of iPOD/iPHONE "killer" proclamations, nothing comes close to the real thing.  But you would have to actually own the real thing to know how far from comparable any of these "knock-offs" are.  

Personally, I don't buy JUNK. That is why I am a big fan of Apple's products.  If you prefer to buy JUNK and then try to convince yourself and others into believing that it is just as good as the real thing, then good for you. Who am I to burst your "delusional" bubble with a reality check?  

Meanwhile, I will continue to enjoy the advantages of a superior product that will far outlast your "wannabe" imitation, while offering superior performance and ease of use that entire time.  

And to state this ONE MORE TIME:  There has NEVER been an OSX virus in the WILD that has infected the Mac community.  There have been many "proof of concept" virus put forth, but none of them have ever actually infected the user base.  As for hacking into a Mac running OSX on the internet... I have been running an OPEN FIREWALL on my Mac based home networks for 20 years and counting. (Have been using the internet since 1989)  I run no virus protection software on any of my current 5 machines.  Three of them are connected to the net 24/7/365 and I have NEVER been infected with a virus or been hacked.

I challenge anyone to do the same with a Windows PC and time how many "minutes" it takes for the machine to become infected with something.  

You can talk "potential" all you want.  I am far more concerned with "reality", and in this regard OSX is basically immune from the type of virus and malicious attacks that Windows users suffer with the threat of on a daily basis.

And back to the topic of this thread... Like I said...This new Tablet product is going to be HUGE.  You know Apple is on to something just from all the whining you hear coming from the anti-Apple crowd and Apple's competition.   

I just sealed an argument on facebook. Well...sort of. I'm tired.

[Chris H.]

You are of course entitled to your "opinion" regardless of how off-base that opinion is.  

The fact remains that I have NEVER been infected by a virus on ANY Macintosh computer or Apple operating system I have ever used or owned, and neither have ANY of my friends who own/use Macs.  I have yet to meet ANY Windows owner who has not been infected by a virus at least ONCE.  Like I said, you can talk about "potential" all you want.  The fact remains that for the majority of Mac users, they will NEVER have to deal with a SINGLE VIRUS INFECTION.  THAT is the reality regardless of how you want to spin it, or tear my comments down into meaningless probability arguments.  The infection you mentioned was TINY in comparison to an average Windows virus outbreak.  It didn't even make the news and was only briefly mentioned in trade journals and computer oriented publications.   When I say in the WILD, I am talking about hundreds of thousands of Mac owners being infected and having their systems brought to their knees.  Not a few dozen members of a Mac user group. You know, the kind of infection that hits the Windows population every 3-5 years?

As for your Droid phone being better than an iPHONE?  Again, you are entitled to your "opinion" but you will be hard pressed to find more than a handful of people that share your opinion. And I seriously doubt that you would find a single iPHONE owner willing to give up their iPHONE for what you use.    Most people could care less about the specs of the components you seem to think trump far more important aspects of a device to most people.  That being the UI, the app store and everything that goes along with it.

And I have to say... I find it VERY hard to believe that with all the Mac experience you claim to have that you would be using a PC instead.  Just doesn't make any sense based on what I know about the difference between the two platforms and how rare it is for someone to go back to a Windows computer after having even a few months of real hands on experience with a Macintosh and OSX.

Sorry... It just sounds like fiction to me.  

And no... Owning Apple Stock and being in the same room as a couple of Mac computers during a Photoshop class doesn't make you an authority on the subject.  I have been using them since the first Mac came out in 1984, and for a good 15 years I had both a Mac and a Windows box in the same office and used both of them all day long.  Unlike the majority of Mac bashers who often have never even used a Macintosh for more than a few minutes 10 years ago, I know the Windows platform intimately and probably have more actual hours of experience on the Windows operating system than the majority of the Mac critics do.

My opinion on the differences between the two is based on several decades of hands on personal and professional experience with BOTH.  If you want to blow that off as being meaningless, thats your problem.  But I know what I am talking about regardless of how much that pisses off some of the folks around here who think they have a monopoly on experience or knowledge into the topics we discuss here.  I seriously doubt you have as much Mac experience as I do Windows experience.   If you did, we wouldn't be having this argument.  

Cheers.

I'm not siding with either of you, however, being a forced-to-use-Windows user, not to mention learning how to deal with the occasional troubleshooting problems with Windows, I would say it does have advantages as an OS. Not performance wise (but close), but more in the line of troubleshooting. Of course, I know little about dealing with Terminal or BASH in Mac OS X/Unix/Linux, though seeing as of all Unix OS's, that Mac OS X is the most popular (Ubuntu, though Unix-like, is a runner up, but I'm going by word of mouth here, not actual stats), I am APPALLED that there isn't very many problems associated with Mac OS X. Sure, you can get a K-P (kernel panic), though of all KP's, most of them are hardware related? Meaning, if you improperly installed RAM, touched the internals of a Mac without grounding, and sometimes even buying bad RAM sticks (you don't know until you start up the computer), you can get a KP. But of all KP's that I've read up on, bad hardware/improperly installed hardware is the most common cause, not those dinky viruses that spread like polio.

So why don't we all just shut it? Windows is Windows: you get what you pay for. Mac OS X is Mac OS X, you get what you pay for.

And you can't make Windows like Mac OS X and vice versa.

Why am I even arguing here? 

[WeatherGoose]

Chris. I have NO Idea what you are talking about, and I would venture to say, neither do you!  

[sam2004gp]

So now there are rumors that Apple will release Iphone related stuff in May.  Should I wait that long or just go buy the darn thing?

[Strgazr27]

You have made a big effort to disprove my claim on the virus issue while totally missing the point in the process.  I could argue the definition of what constitutes a WILD virus, but that wasn't the basis for my comments either.  I, like most people are concerned with REAL WORLD experience.  Not stats, or probability arguments.

I'M missing the point? Define "Wild" according to your definition? A virus that is received via a download from a 3rd to who knows how many parties website is about as "Wild" as it gets. Yes I gave you SEVERAL examples.Not to inflame the situation but to prove a point. Perhaps the constant denial on your part while being given more than a few examples is the reason for the constant reminders about it from myself as well as others.

This is the reality... I have NEVER been infected by a virus on ANY Macintosh computer or Apple operating system I have ever used or owned, and neither have ANY of my friends who own/use Macs.  I have yet to meet ANY Windows owner who has not been infected by a virus at least ONCE.  Like I said, you can talk about "potential" all you want.

Nice to meet you  7 years and going without a virus on ANY PC I have owned. Smart use, updated software and safe browsing habits allow this on a Windows machine contrary to your thoughts. I'm glad you've never experienced it either.

The BIG virus infection you are crowing about was TINY in comparison to an average Windows virus outbreak.  It didn't even make the news and was only briefly mentioned in trade journals and computer oriented publications.   When I say in the WILD, I am talking about hundreds of thousands of Mac owners being infected and having their systems brought to their knees.  Not a few dozen members of a Mac user group.

So which is it? You say it's never happened but above you admit that it has? And it was more than a few dozen. Read the follow up articles on it. I was simply showing that contrary to what you have been emphatically posting, MAC's have been and can be compromised. And let's be honest...When you have at least 7-10 times more machines out in the field being used the numbers will look screwy. With the number of PC's vs MAC's in the world and the rabid desire of hackers world wide to crack a Windows OS is it any surprise?

And I seriously doubt that you would find a single iPHONE owner willing to give up their iPHONE for what you use.  Wink  Most people could care less about the specs of the components you seem to think trump far more important aspects of a device to most people.

"250,000 Droid phones sold in its first week. While Apple sold some 1.6 million of the iPhone 3G S in its first week, that was in EIGHT countries, compared with a U.S.-only launch for the Motorola Droid. Taken in this context, Droid sales of 250,000 units during its first week from a standing start and in just one country, is a strong result no? Funny but most people I know care more about specs than you seem to give them credit for. A pretty case, a smooth look and lots of MOSTLY useless App's doesn't cut it for me or, as it seems A LOT of other people who could have bought the Iphone.

And no... Owning Apple Stock and being in the same room as a couple of Mac computers during a Photoshop class doesn't make you an authority on the subject.

12 hours a week for 18 months I think MORE than qualifies me no? As a current A+, NET+, original MCSE holder although it's been a few since I had a use for it gives me a little more than your average Windows users standpoint. I may not know code but I can hold my own as far as OS and hardware goes.

P.S.  If you want to just "Bust My Chops" thats cool, but you need to make it VERY obvious.

Funny but I thought the "WINK" smiley at the very start of my first post would have conveyed that. I'll make it more obvious next time  (See?  )

I have been publicly attacked by other users on here several times in the last couple of weeks, so I am definitely watching my back around here.  Wink

I'm sorry to hear that    I have found WX to be 1 of the nicest places to spend time. If I can give a little advice.............It's not what you say but HOW you say it. And like my Dad would add after my Mom would say that......How often you say it.

Take care,

P.S. PLEASE don't take this as another "attack" but a discussion about keeping it "Honest and Real". The purpose of fora such as these are for the exchange of info, common interests and the rare "Ribbing" Don't waste time worrying about your "Back" I really don't see a need on this board.

[Strgazr27]

Chris,

I think you need some sleep

[lddaly]

Here is an article that sums up the top complaints about the device: 8 Things That Suck About the iPad http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad

[Strgazr27]

Somewhere, someone is waiting for Call of Duty to come out for their Pippin. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV9hFruYAEI&NR=1

Andrew

Like Dad used to say:  "Never buy the first model year of anything!"  (Works for cars, PCs, tablets...)

This is especially true when it comes to Apple stuff! 

COD ROCKS !!

[Garth Bock]

Now we have the iPad......will the next version have wings ???? .........will you use the 3G for heavy flow days???  ......will the new stylus for it be called the iTapon ???  .....

[Strgazr27]

 


 

[Strgazr27]

I just finished "Releasing" my own version of the Apple........It's called the iPeed Only comes in shades of yellow.....Unless it has a REAL issue

[DanS]

I just finished "Releasing" my own version of the Apple........It's called the iPeed Only comes in shades of yellow.....Unless it has a REAL issue

I heard about those and they are prone to data flow problems if the handshaking isn't just right.

[SlowModem]

I heard about those and they are prone to data flow problems if the handshaking isn't just right.

P U !

That's what I call PUNishment!

[Chris H.]

Chris. I have NO Idea what you are talking about, and I would venture to say, neither do you!  

Like I said, I was tired. I had finished a really stupid argument on facebook, and finished writing a synthesis essay for homework.

Now I'm reading "Nickel and Dimed" and failed the second quiz on it today b/c I fell behind last week. (Shame on me, but is it my fault Mom slipped on cold tile floor and twisted her ankle?). Now I should be good through the next two quizzes. (Ehrenreich bores me though..so what choice do I have?)

I'm totally psyched on this device though. And I had a thought after I put down "Nickel and Dimed". Reading this book wouldn't be so much of a pain in the ass if the iPad had already come out. I wonder how useful it'll be in college.

[Chris H.]

Here is an article that sums up the top complaints about the device: 8 Things That Suck About the iPad http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad

Where have I seen this..oh yeah, facebook!

Feminine hygienic jokes aside, this device looks to be a real winner.

[Chris H.]

I just finished "Releasing" my own version of the Apple........It's called the iPeed Only comes in shades of yellow.....Unless it has a REAL issue

I've seen baby shirts that say iPood.

There's an "i" for everything.