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« on: January 25, 2010, 10:58:17 PM »

My fairly new Dell desktop is one of the "new breed" that does not have a serial port.  I need to install one for my serial Weatherlink.

Any advice on the card?  Installation?  Driver software?  I have a Dell Inspirion running Vista.
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2010, 11:14:08 PM »

My fairly new Dell desktop is one of the "new breed" that does not have a serial port.  I need to install one for my serial Weatherlink.

Any advice on the card?  Installation?  Driver software?  I have a Dell Inspirion running Vista.

PFTT. Serial? What's that?
I just picked up a new/used 2 year old PC that doesn't have serial, parallel, ps2 or IDE  Smile

Most people pick up a USB to serial adapter for ~$10. I bought a pair a few years ago and they have both worked ducky for any application I needed them for.


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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2010, 11:14:29 PM »

Vista.  G'luck finding drivers.
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2010, 11:31:27 PM »

My fairly new Dell desktop is one of the "new breed" that does not have a serial port.  I need to install one for my serial Weatherlink.

Any advice on the card?  Installation?  Driver software?  I have a Dell Inspirion running Vista.

This one is reported to work.  http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16815150134

Or this one:  http://www.shopfloorautomations.com/pci_2_port_card.php

Not sure what the situation would be if you decided to upgrade to Windows 7.

Having said that -- I agree with the suggestion to get a serial-to-USB adapter.  eBay, Best Buy, Radio Shack,  etc. 

Footnote: I actually prefer that approach over the USB logger.  Serial can run longer distances, and seems to have fewer problems - even when running through a serial-to-USB adapter.
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2010, 09:00:00 AM »

OK.  To sum up here:  A serial Weather Link is recommended over a USB Weather Link - its a bit more reliable and can run longer distances, i.e. >8' up to 40'.  BUT, we really don't need a serial port/card in the computer because a "serial adapter" in a USB port works (just as?) well.  This is good news (saves $20 to $40 and avoids a lot of hassle), but the logic eludes me.  Can someone explain why the "adapter" method works better than straight USB?
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2010, 09:18:37 AM »

No logic, just precedents. Here's the next kicker - some serial adapters work, some don't. Again, precedents.
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2010, 09:23:49 AM »

No logic, just precedents. Here's the next kicker - some serial adapters work, some don't. Again, precedents.
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Yes, apparently there are 100 varieties of adapters.  Here is a quote from a review of this one: http://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Serial-Converter-TU-S9-Blue/dp/B0007T27H8/ref=pd_cp_e_1

"This USB-RS232 converter is based on the PL-2303 chipset and is one of the few with true cross-platform support. Other models are lacking drivers for Mac, Linux, Vista, and 64-bit flavors of Windows. If you need something that'll just work no matter what you're running get a USB-RS232 adapter based either on the PL-2303 (like this one) or the FTDI chipsets."
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2010, 11:05:56 AM »

 Can someone explain why the "adapter" method works better than straight USB?

1. Either type of logger works fine, when it works.  That's most of the time.

2. Some people with some computers have reported problems getting the USB logger to work.  When those few problems have occurred, they have been difficult to diagnose and difficult to fix.

3. As far as I know, nobody has ever reported a problem with the serial logger that was really a problem with the logger - and it has been easy to diagnose and "fix" the problem either with their computer or with their software setup.  (One reason is that the serial logger comes with a "loopback plug" to test the serial port, without connecting to the logger).

4  With a serial-to-USB adapter in the picture, it's fairly easy to determine that the adapter (or adapter drivers) are at fault.

Now, with that in mind: 

A.  If you have a serial port on your computer, I recommend using it.  That is better than using an adapter, if you have a serial port. *

B.  If you don't have a serial port, then I recommend using the serial logger with a serial-to-USB adapter.

C.  * Footnote: If you're using a serial port, and it goes TU (i.e., dies), then you can still go get an adapter and plug into USB.
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2010, 11:22:13 AM »

OK.  To sum up here:  A serial Weather Link is recommended over a USB Weather Link - its a bit more reliable and can run longer distances, i.e. >8' up to 40'.  BUT, we really don't need a serial port/card in the computer because a "serial adapter" in a USB port works (just as?) well.  This is good news (saves $20 to $40 and avoids a lot of hassle), but the logic eludes me.  Can someone explain why the "adapter" method works better than straight USB?

I think this explains it for you.  http://www.lammertbies.nl/comm/info/RS-232-usb.html
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2010, 11:37:20 AM »

After visiting Staples and Best Buy (neither of which carried an "adapter" compatible with Vista)  I went to Radio Shack.  

The only item Radio Shack had was a 1.83 meter (6') long cabled USB-Serial adapter with software that works with Vista - "Gigaware 6 ft. USB-A to Serial Cable."  This comes with a CD with driver software for Vista - $39.00.

I notice on Amazon there are cabled adapters that sell for as little as $1.93 without software  http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=usb+serial+adapter+vista  and $3.99 WITH software.

Will that 6' USB cable portion of this adapter mess with reliability?  Am I better off getting a pure "adapter" withOUT the cable?  Like this one http://www.amazon.com/Cables-Unlimted-USB-Serial-Adapter/dp/B0006LSIOI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1264524633&sr=8-3 or with a shorter cable like this one? http://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Serial-Converter-TU-S9-Blue/dp/B0007T27H8/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_1   I notice the "adapters only" withOUT cable are a bit bulky and may not fit in the space allotted around any of my USB ports - thus the need for a short cable - at least 6" or so.
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2010, 01:16:19 PM »

If you are getting a serial  Davis, why not just add the serial card?  They cost 5-10 bucks for a two port.
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2010, 01:26:26 PM »

A cable on the adapter won't hurt anything.

I've had good luck with the adapters that use the Prolific chipset.  You can search eBay for "usb serial prolific".  That's a chipset used by many brands of adapters.

I'm sure other brands/chipsets will work OK, too.  Amazon is, of course, a fairly reputable source.
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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2010, 04:28:09 PM »

I'm using the Iogear USB adapter listed below, on a Dell Inspiron 530 running Vista. No problems at all.
http://www.cyberguys.com/product-details/?productid=2066
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